GOP in disarray as McCarthy fails again in bid for House speakership

These clowns can't govern. At this point, wouldn't it just be better for four or five brave Republicans come join with Democrats and give Hakeem Jeffries the job? He's closer to it than McCarthy at this point!

If McCarthy gets his little rattle, he won’t be able to control the wackos in his caucus.

But any alternative and more extreme candidate—even if they can get the speakership—will have little sway over the “normal” Republicans.

Expect nothing but chaos from the House GOP for the next two years. And watch them cost the GOP the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2024.

 opposition to McCarthy, believing he’s neither conservative enough

McCarthy might not be far right enough, he has shown his disdain for democracy by supporting TPG's (the previous guy) claims that TPG won the election. And some Republicans know McCarthy is just a TPG toady, who along with George Santos, MTG, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz and other wack extremists will continue to further split the Republican Party, which will upset the R's wealthiest contributors and others in the US establishment, who worry without continued Republican support they might be asked to pay taxes and abide by US laws and regulations, like ordinary Americans do. The Republican Party hates the notion of equal rights, they want to maintain their long held special privileges.

“Sure, it looks messy,” said Rep. Mike Gallagher, R-Wis. But democracy is messy, he said. “The American people are in charge."

The last time the Republican Party reflected the will of the American people was probably the Civil War.

Now, according to Republican Party campaigns what the American people really care about are not having their children taught about the history of slavery and segregation, making sure the transgenders are kept in the closet, corporate tax cuts and enshrining xenophobia and religious bigotry.

There is some schadenfreude to see them revealed in the legislature as the empty carnival they are.

Only partisans can make excuses for this and I think even they are not really convinced.

This is clear and unacceptable disorder and incompetence.

Clear.

Even if he wins he won't have 100% republican support going forward.

We just need more time… just a few more rounds of voting… this is all going according to plan… we’re getting tired of winning… which is why we stopped doing it…

The responsible R's are being hamstrung by the sizeable contingent within their ranks that simply does not want to govern. It may sound ridiculous to most people, but the chaos is the goal. They hope to weaken the federal government (to be able to direct power back to the(ir) states) by breaking the federal government, in the process 'proving' that the federal government doesn't work. Unfortunately for the moderate R's and D's, others, not necessarily American, also have the goal of weakening the federal government albeit for different reasons, so there becomes an incentive for such adversaries to fuel the discord and chaos. I'm not naive, I know the US does this to other countries, just wanted to give my take on what is happening here.

This pathetic circus of Republican clowns are the mockery of the US politics..

They sold their souls to the MAGA gang and there are the results...

Pathetic bunch of medieval losers, lol !!..

The “git ‘er done” party not getting anything done. What a surprise.

November passed, Jan 3rd passed, what’s the next deadline?

Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa., the chairman of the Freedom Caucus and a leader of Trump's effort to challenge the 2020 presidential election had said earlier it was up to McCarthy to meet their demands

This is "negotiation" in some GOP circles.

Oh, not ready to meet all of my demands? Well let's just burn the place down then. Because I'm principled.

And I want to be really, really famous in my district with a cushy far right media gig if this gravy train comes to and end, so I'm covered either way.

The American people? What about them?

And let's not forget this is just the beginning. It's just the first vote.

The far right hardliners will continue to try to burn down the system with every piece of legislation that comes to a vote.

Popcorn, anyone!

If McCarthy gets his little rattle,

Nancy’s little rattle.

he won’t be able to control the wackos in his caucus.

Well, he will, but he’ll be on a short leash

But any alternative and more extreme candidate—even if they can get the speakership—will have little sway over the “normal” Republicans. 

Not sure, but the people opposing him are normal Americans that are sick and tired of their party rolling over for the establishment, I really understand that.

Expect nothing but chaos from the House GOP for the next two years.

Not so sure, I don’t think so, but at least their not lemmings like the Dems and have a monolithic group thought process.

And watch them cost the GOP the House, Senate, and Presidency in 2024

Yeah, that’s not going to happen especially watching this administration throwing away taxpayer money as if we have it and as if that’s what the majority of Americans want.

This is "negotiation" in some GOP circles. 

Yes

Oh, not ready to meet all of my demands? Well let's just burn the place down then. Because I'm principled. 

So you’re saying they should just give in the the establishment? Yeah, they’re not Democrats. If they were, they wouldn’t care and would just fall in line.

And I want to be really, really famous in my district with a cushy far right media gig if this gravy train comes to and end, so I'm covered either way.

Failed humor attempt?

The American people? What about them?

Now that’s funny coming from the left! ROFL!

Charge of the Right Brigade.

Yeah, that’s not going to happen especially watching this administration throwing away taxpayer money as if we have it and as if that’s what the majority of Americans want.

You think these GoP clowns are working for free? How are they using your tax dollars now? Pizza, Chick-Fil-A and tacos.

Enjoy your little snide remarks while you can.

Sometimes it takes a little time to set expectations for someone. Then to get them to understand they will actually be held accountable. That’s what is happening to Kevin right now as part of “democracy”.

The US needs an effective third party. The two-party system is broken.

He’s now lost the 6th speaker vote.

Making history!

Bingo!

If democrats think McCarthy is so great just vote “present” and he is in.

But until our side votes him in, he still needs an expectations setting session or two.

Some of the things he had said and is still saying are not acceptable yet.

A new generation of conservative Republicans, many aligned with Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda, want to upend business as usual

Even from beyond the political grave, Trump is sowing chaos in his own party.

It's a clown show, but very entertaining for the test of us.

But it's strange to remember that only a couple of days ago, the US had a functional Congress.

Glad to see so many Democrats (and wanna-bees) paying attention to this obscure event.

This is a great lesson for America, and this really is history in the making.

How to run a legitimate election.

Enjoy your little snide remarks while you can.

Will Do!

Looks like we will get to enjoy them for a while longer.

If democrats think McCarthy is so great just vote “present” and he is in.

Oh no, that’s all on you. “You just wait! You’ll see!”

Okay, let’s see. Oh, THIS???

This is showing us Kevin’s “pink shart power” alright, lol.

How are they using your tax dollars now? Pizza, Chick-Fil-A and tacos.

Maybe the Dems would.

Not talking about the Dems. Obviously.

Enjoy your little snide remarks while you can.

So what will happen after this, will the Republicans attempt to disallow elections, or just continue to try to disallow the ones they don't win, like Kari Lake in Arizona. Even at the state level the Republican wacks are getting smacked. The Republican brand has been trumped by, like the old song said, "I'll never forget old what's its name"

Bass: So you’re saying they should just give in the the establishment?

A lot of what you say shows a black and white view of the world. Someone is either burning the place down or giving in totally. You really need to start focusing more on negotiation as a path to give and take, not bomb or roll over.

As best I can tell you are supporting the side of, "burn it down " Too many of us have too much to lose by letting you set the world on fire, all because you have nothing to lose.

But until our side votes him in, he still needs an expectations setting session or two.

It’s not like he didn’t know this was coming or had months to prepare for it. If the GoP can’t make this most basic fundamental starting decision, how are they to be trusted to accomplish anything useful in the next 2 years? It’s a grave embarrassment.

Not talking about the Dems. Obviously.

But we can’t ignore them, I want to, but they are apart of this system.

So what will happen after this, will the Republicans attempt to disallow elections, or just continue to try to disallow the ones they don't win, like Kari Lake in Arizona.

Maybe both.

Even at the state level the Republican wacks are getting smacked.

That’s democracy and that’s political dissent.

The Republican brand has been trumped by, like the old song said, "I'll never forget old what's its name"

And that’s a good thing.

Enjoy your little snide remarks while you can. 

I will, thanks.

Sometimes it takes a little time to set expectations for someone. Then to get them to understand they will actually be held accountable. That’s what is happening to Kevin right now as part of “democracy”.

He’s been in Congress for years. He knows how it works and should have known how to build a support base if he wanted to be Speaker. But he’s a Republican, I.E. a brain dead waste of skin.

Blacklabel: Enjoy your little snide remarks while you can.

We are. But we warned you about your dysfunctional party and if you don't listen that's on you.

Sometimes it takes a little time to set expectations for someone.

You've had plenty of time. And even more time. The problem is your hostage taking party principals.

This is just a symptom. The cause will still be there long after this vote.

What happened to the Great Red Wave and all the ducks in a row?

If democrats think McCarthy is so great just vote “present” and he is in.

 Democratic politicians don’t think he’s great though. Did this really not occur to you?

But until our side votes him in, he still needs an expectations setting session or two.

You’ve. Had. Three. Months.

Some of the things he had said and is still saying are not acceptable yet.

Like what?

Who would have thought that a rebellion by a failed restaurant owner with multiple tax liens, a pedo-payer who wanted a pardon “from the beginning of time”and 18 other election-deniers could go so poorly?

Mccarthy won't be the speaker at the close of this thread.

Yes Kevin had the wrong impression that the job was his to do in whatever way he personally wants.

that is not the case and is being explained to him as many times as needed until he understands and accepts it.

if he can’t, hello “someone else” on our team.

political theater will be over before the weekend.

How to run a legitimate election

Looks like the walls are closing in on sensible discussion on this topic early.

The dirty little secrets about Kevin are out:

He has no real base of support because he doesn’t really believe in anything.

He’s not an intelligent person. It’s widely considered a known fact that intelligence is not among the gifts bestowed upon him.

He is reaping what he sowed but “kissing the ring.”

This is all on you, Kev. Enjoy!

We are. But we warned you about your dysfunctional party and if you don't listen that's on you. 

The left crack me up, they don’t even listen to their own President.

You've had plenty of time. And even more time. The problem is your hostage taking party principals. 

No, the problem is, the swamp and the RINO’s appeasing the swamp.

This is just a symptom. The cause will still be there long after this vote.

And that’s a good thing.

election-deniers could go so poorly?

Hakeem Jeffries is an election denier.

He seemed to get chosen right away despite that.

if he can’t, hello “someone else” on our team.

Blacklabel - if not McCarthy, who do you think it might be? I personally think McCarthy will get it, no later than next week, though you could well be correct that it could happen by the weekend. I would guess Jordan, if not McCarthy, though he is apparently saying he is not interested in the Speaker slot.

Hakeem Jeffries is an election denier. 

He seemed to get chosen right away despite that.

Well, there you go.

Your GQP, ladies and gentlemen!

Ready to flail from Day 1!

Did I say “flail”?

I meant “fail”.

For a fourth, fifth and sixth time, Republicans tried to vote McCarthy into the top job as the House plunged deeper into disarray. But the votes were producing almost the same outcome, 20 conservative holdouts still refusing to support him, and leaving him far short of the 218 typically needed to win the gavel.

What a debacle - on their first day in office, the Repubs are giving the entire American public a glaring example of their dysfunction and inability to govern.

In fact, McCarthy saw his tally slip to 201, as one fellow Republican switched to vote simply present.

So Dem Jeffries has 212 and Repub McCarthy has 201 - in a Repub majority House! That is absolutely incredible - and what a humiliation for McCarthy and the Repubs...

Seeing no quick way out of the political standoff, Republicans voted abruptly late Wednesday to adjourn as they desperately searched for an endgame to the chaos of their own making. They were due back at 8 p.m.

A perfect example of the next two years - "We didn't get anything done"...

“Well, it's Groundhog Day,” said Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., in nominating McCarthy on the sixth ballot.

Not Groundhog Day, "The Great Repub Massacre Day" - when Repubs turned on each other in a circular firing squad...

Ain't it great...

Blacklabel - if not McCarthy, who do you think it might be? I 

McCarthy, once he is sufficiently understanding of the non-negotiable expectations that come with the job.

He is being a little hard headed and entitled at the moment. Need to clean that up first then move on.

What is happening in the Senate is only democracy on action so stop whining! Imagine if Marjorie Taylor Greene stepped up to the plate.

Thanks Blacklabel - It seems McCarthy may have had different expectations that the reality on the ground. I hope for the sake of our country that the sides can make a deal so Congress can begin.

JimizoToday  07:32 am JST

Only partisans can make excuses for this and I think even they are not really convinced.

This is clear and unacceptable disorder and incompetence.

....and that is all that needs to be said. Seconded.

No, the problem is, the swamp and the RINO’s appeasing the swamp.

So the problem is Republicans.

And that’s a good thing.

It's working out well for Dems so far. Not much for the GOP or Trump. But it is nice to see you start to throw Trump aside. DeSantis 2024?

If you guys aren't careful you're going to send the GOP majority to the only entity that will negotiate: Democrats. We will have a list of a few concessions, tho.

This is something the Democrats are having difficulty grasping.

A procedure that is not rubber stamped, and involves legitimate campaigning and strategizing.

Not like when the Dems numbingly voted for Nancy Pelosi.

Who lost the position twice,

Speaking of losing though, why are we even discussing this obscure matter?

Oh--because the Democrats lost the House.

Got trounced really

Bingo

This is a cult eating its own.

The one faction isn’t culty enough for the true Rubes and now even the support of the cultist in chief isn’t enough.

this has nothing to do with policy. This is pure stupidity and insanity.

Well, it appears Kevin is done - stick a fork in him....

So time for a new candidate - and I have the perfect one....

Medal of Honor winner (X2), nephew of Ronald Reagan, Multiple Time Man of the Year, developer of a new cancer cure, and creator of the Roomba....Repub Rep George Santos....

That’s democracy and that’s political dissent.

So inconceivable a comment coming from a conservative who can't say Trump's actions exacerbated the insurrection and a show against democracy and the constitution. I really don't think you care about democracy if you can't have a reasonable view of the two party system and Democrats, nor their views. You've lost this ability to reason, imo, and that makes you disdain democracy and a hypocrite to speak of democracy as you did.

And no, the insurrection wasn't actually about a false vote, it was about a president who wanted to have dictatorial power by ignoring the standard of government of the USA and supporting and promoting a brand of people who attack their own government because they're a bunch of hot headed white people with guns, false intention and false reasoning. Those people there were total jerks, and by not denouncing them and Trump's actions, you support them.

Governments change and evolve over time to an extent, and if you want a different government led by a conservative agenda against environmental priority, promoting firearms, dissing equality among their people and wanting a dictatorial and fascist manner of leadership, it isn't the America created by a two party system under the constitution and it isn't democracy if you can't see good in the other side of your own country.

It's obvious you see no value in liberal ideals, a very important part of humanity, and only want one point of view, as your posts continually show a complete disdain for anything other than the GOP type narratives you support and build up. I'm not saying all your opinions are false nor necessarily bad, but your message gets lost in a barrage of liberal hate.

The way you refuse to see anything positive to liberalism shows me you don't want anything but a one system government, which is what Trump wanted...his narcissist govt.... and is the issue that is causing McCarthy and the Republican's in fight...support for MAGA or not, and from the outside, MAGA obviously is not the answer to democracy.

So the problem is Republicans.

No, the swamp, the establishment and past historical events.

It's working out well for Dems so far.

That’s ok, it’s short-lived, whatever rocks y’all’s boat.

Not much for the GOP or Trump. But it is nice to see you start to throw Trump aside. DeSantis 2024?

I never said, nor implied that, but I like both, so whether Trump or DeSantis run, I’m happy.

If you guys aren't careful you're going to send the GOP majority to the only entity that will negotiate: Democrats.

ROFL, funny.

A new generation of conservative Republicans, many aligned with Trump’s Make America Great Again agenda, want to upend business as usual in Washington, and were committed to stopping McCarthy’s rise without concessions to their priorities.

Shatneresque intonation: But... what ..is...MAGA?

Trump attacked Clinton's Wall Street/Goldman Sachs connections and neo-liberal politics of the Wall Street bailout under the Obama admin and gained support from the lower and upper middle classes.

Since that turned out with the 2016 election win to just be more crony capitalism to right wing billionaires and a middle class shrinking and falling farther and farther behind, it is all just culture war issues now?

Black: McCarthy, once he is sufficiently understanding of the non-negotiable

There it is again.

Try, try and try again and again...

This is a cult eating its own. 

No, no cults, but the establishment is on notice, no rush.

The one faction isn’t culty enough for the true Rubes and now even the support of the cultist in chief isn’t enough. 

Kevin just needs to ensure his non-establishment base

this has nothing to do with policy. This is pure stupidity and insanity.

Dissent is bad?? I know the Dems abhor the very idea, but…

The chaos of the two-party system.

correct. Kevin McCarthy will not become the speaker of the house without agreeing to some basic non negotiable fundamentals of what Republicans were elected to do by their voters.

There is a reason Hakeem Jeffries can only get 212 votes- there are no Democrats remaining, they lost their elections. thats the real ROFL?

The GOP is the party of excuses.

The GOP is the party of excuses.

No different from the Dems.

Add to the above: Bass, you often write hate for liberalism over like for conservative ideals, and I wonder if you realize that hate is what drives your opinion as conservatives do lie way more than liberals, and this is obvious in Trump, MAGA, the insurrection, McCarthy, Greene, etc. It's actually a fact, if you'd care to open your mind and see just how much the GOP lies, which really is the essential problem as Trump was such liar in the vote for the speaker.

Anarchists are anti-establishment.

Utter craziness and hypocrisy...

The far-right posters here are cheering and supporting a guy who just one year ago they were calling a "Spineless RINO" - just like the 20 MAGA-hardliners are doing today....

Then we have Trump finally coming to "His Kevin's" defense; *Earlier Wednesday, Trump had done the opposite, urging Republicans to vote for McCarthy. “Close the deal, take the victory," he wrote on his social media site, using all capital letters.* “Do not turn a great triumph into a giant & embarrassing defeat.”

And Trump certainly knows giant and embarrassing defeats...isn't it interesting he is supporting a guy that said this about him in 2016;

On June 15, 2016, McCarthy told his fellow Republicans, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” McCarthy added at the time, “Swear to God.”

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/kevin-mccarthys-joke-trump-putin-six-years-later-rcna33680

So Trump and the two pro-Trump posters here support the Spineless RINO that said he colluded with Russia...

Welcome to MAGA-world...

Add to the above: Bass, you often write hate for liberalism over like for conservative ideals,

Yes.

and I wonder if you realize that hate is what drives your opinion as conservatives do lie way more than liberals,

Not hate, concerned and quite conscious to the fact that a lot of these radical liberal policies end up in complete and utter failure.

and this is obvious in Trump, MAGA, the insurrection,

(Trespassing, no insurrection for the legal record.)

McCarthy, Greene, etc. It's actually a fact,

With the exception Greene, I do believe the failures stem from the establishment being a slave to capitulation and appeasement.

if you'd care to open your mind and see just how much the GOP lies,

You are right, that’s exactly why I don’t support the establishment! Very perceptive!

which really is the essential problem as Trump was such liar in the vote for the speaker.

Well, that’s what you and one side of America thinks, I’m on the other side of Americans that don’t think that, the fact that these anti-establishment Republicans are sick and tired of the lies and bending over backwards and believing the lies of these people. Making promises that we knew they would never keep, not anymore.

Hahaha

GOP in disarray

Not just the GOP, but the entire country is in disarray.

No, no cults, but the establishment is on notice, no rush.

But you continually stated all year there is a crisis and you couldn’t wait (insert number here) days until ‘the nightmare’ is over.

Now there’s ‘no rush’?

The next vote is about to happen. Why? Do Republicans want more humiliation?

Just table the vote until you have an agreement. Spare yourselves the embarrassment.

Sunfunbun, excellent post.

The House speaker fiasco shows that Republicans are unable to govern.

But you continually stated all year there is a crisis and you couldn’t wait

With how the Dems were throwing out money, absolutely!

(insert number here) days until ‘the nightmare’ is over. 

On the 3rd it was over for the Dems.

Now there’s ‘no rush’?

No, let the process take its course

It’s so funny to listen to Republican extremists accusing fellow Republican extremists of being too extremist. This happens only once every one hundred years!

The House speaker fiasco shows that Republicans are unable to govern.

Wrong, they govern well, they just need a House speaker that can lead and not sell them out or capitulate to make Dems happy. They sure wouldn’t, absolutely not.

if you have time to do it, you have time to do it right.

Marjorie Taylor Greene denounced fellow Representatives demanding positions "for themselves" in exchange for their votes to elect Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House.

During Marjorie Taylor Greene's hours-long rant yesterday — first to reporters and then on Steve Bannon's podcast — over Kevin McCarthy's House flop (and thus no reassigned committees for her), the Georgia Congressquack punched hard at the GOP, stating the obvious: "There is no plan!"

Dozens of military veterans on Wednesday hand-delivered letters to top Republicans in the U.S. House, calling on them to publicly condemn political violence as the second anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol approaches.

They elect the speaker then what? More of what they can't do than what they can do.

Listening to some of our lot, I am reminded of a YOUNG Kevin Bacon from "Animal House":

"REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!"

The difference is Animal House was a movie and was funny because after the ending credits, we went back to our lives.

There was no group of sloven drunks trying to burn the city down.

Nobody was actually trying to have sex with underage girls.

Responsible adults were actually in charge.

That is why Animal House was funny and this is only mildly amusing.

if you have time to do it, you have time to do it right.

So what is the excuse here?

its in Day 2 of doing it right, why would an excuse be needed?

My, my, it appears there is some bipartisanship left in the GOP...

Yesterday we saw Gaetz and Gosar cozying up to AOC, trying to get her help in ensuring that the Dems wouldn't leave the chamber giving McCarthy a chance of getting the votes he needs... Gaetz and Gosar teaming with AOC against another Repub....

And then there was McCarthy - ready to collude with Jeffries to seek Dem votes so he can become Speaker, because 20 Repubs refuse to support him...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aoc-says-she-was-telling-matt-gaetz-the-democratic-party-would-absolutely-not-rescue-kevin-mccarthy-s-speakership-bid-when-they-were-spotted-chatting-on-the-house-floor/ar-AA15Wxz7?cvid=a9c3d7a805264c4889d0885ac25f6dd8

So, Trump supporters, are Gaetz and Gosar traitors for working with AOC against McCarthy? And how about McCarthy - working with Jeffries to freeze out his fellow Repubs? Is he "Spineless"?

if you have time to do it, you have time to do it right.

2 months of preparation time for THIS?

THIS is success? lol

I can't wait to see what the actual GQP legislating style is.

Fortunately, for any actual adult governance, we have Jefferies and 5 sane Republicans.

Marjorie Taylor Greene denounced fellow Representatives demanding positions "for themselves" in exchange for their votes to elect Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House.

Yes

During Marjorie Taylor Greene's hours-long rant yesterday

Loved it.

Dozens of military veterans on Wednesday hand-delivered letters to top Republicans in the U.S. House, calling on them to publicly condemn political violence as the second anniversary of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol approaches.

No one is going to talk about J6 anymore. It’s over, the page is turned and to quote one famous Democrat, “time to move on, what difference does it make?”

These GOP nut jobs can’t govern to save their, ummm, I don’t know what. And do they even have a platform to stand on? Oh yes, they’re working for the people. (sarcasm) But who are the special interests groups that back them? Certainly not exactly “for the people.”

They elect the speaker then what? More of what they can't do than what they can do.

No, more of what they can and will do, minus the appeasement roadblocks.

2 months of preparation time for THIS?

its Day 2. Because we won, we control the pace, the timeline and the priorities.

I hope we dont have to withstand 20 posts a day every day until you get that.

Losing has consequences. Sit quietly and wait until we decide what is next.

bass4funk

wants Marjorie Taylor Greene as a speaker. That would be fun.

Jan 6 will be talked about for a hundred years.

bass4funk

what can the GOP do without the Senate and the WH? Zilch.

They can only play a defensive game.

It's always a great look when one of the demands of the "Ideological" wing of the cult is to get rid of the Ethics Committee.

Nothing to be seen THERE, lol.

Dragon,they should learn about slavery and segregation, because these children growing up will be living under majority minority rule

Pelosi, should had most of these Republicans expel from the house, because lots of them support of Trump insurrection,this is how a real democracy work,with circuit breaker too stop crazy Republicans

The House speaker fiasco shows that Republicans are unable to govern.

Wrong, they govern well, they just need a House speaker that can lead and not sell them out or capitulate to make Dems happy.

So you support for Speaker the guy that said Russia paid off Trump and yesterday sold out his fellow 20 Repubs by colluding with Dem Leader Jeffries to freeze them out....and who you have called in the past a "Spineless RINO"....

OK..makes perfect sense...

what can the GOP do without the Senate and the WH? Zilch.

What can the Dems in the Senate and President do without money? Zilch.

They can only play a defensive game.

The Senate can try and offensive game.

dream on, Bass. That’s tomorrow by the way. What a great way to remind folks about Jan 6

Yeah, watch how fast that will fade after tomorrow.

Call me crazy, eccentric but can MAGA reps explain what are the ideological, policy issues at stake here?

The 'socialist', 'leftist' wing of the Dems have some hard set ideological policies like super funding veterans administration and healthcare, slashing corporate welfare, equalizing taxes so McDonald's managers are not paying a higher percentage than billionaires, and investing in education that a majority could get behind.

But... what...are the Freedom Caucus issues for the well spoken proponents of the MAGA agenda if they exist?

On the 3rd it was over for the Dems.

No storming of the Capitol Building? No Nancy Pelosi screaming about stolen elections, No nooses to be found anywhere? No Antifa?

The peaceful transfer of power---that is democracy!

Blacklabel: Because we won, we control the pace, the timeline and the priorities.

That's all fine and dandy. No one is challenging you on that.

I think the main point here is the dysfunctional GOP and their inability to govern. Everything else is meaningless because of that.

But enjoy controlling the pace.

And this is the easy part.

wait till government gets hard, lol.

SuperlibToday  10:10 am JST

That's all fine and dandy. No one is challenging you on that.

I think the main point here is the dysfunctional GOP and their inability to govern. Everything else is meaningless because of that.

But enjoy controlling the pace.

The voting is being done orderly and without the travesties Americans have seen in other elections.

And again, the only reason the Democrats are getting up in arms with this (which is what they do about everything anyway) is because the Republicans won the House.

The Republicans own the House.

They will do things their way.

If it makes someone get all riled up and show their repressed anger about this so be it.

We are used to outbursts from the Left on anything that triggers the memory of losing the House.

and their inability to govern. 

its been since yesterday. dont you really think that is just a little premature to judge?

Its what you hope, certainly. But nothing indicates that they are unable to govern as of yet.

In fact the back and forth debates and internal concessions seem to be a healthy indicator of democracy in progress as we move forward.

Bass4,what can DOJ do to corrupt Republicans, McCarthy has low self esteem,he should of listened to Pelosi,when she told in his face,he did not have the vote to be Speaker

yup, make people suffer with government shutdowns. That’s an electoral strategy.

Like Dems with the border, defunding the police, allowing criminals to roam free, getting rid of no cash bail, passing $1.3 trillion taxpayer funded waste, sending more of our money overseas, but won’t even take care of our growing homeless. Sorry, I really don’t want to hear the word “suffering” from the left.

wants Marjorie Taylor Greene as a speaker. That would be fun.

Now that’s a candidate I would wholeheartedly support for speaker

The member who expressed sympathy for faked school shootings?

You turn the hosepipe on these people if they come to your house.

Standards, Bass. Even rank partisanship requires standards.

It’s fun watching the Right wingers here try to tell us that everything is fine, that they’re a viable party for forming government, while their party implodes into civil war. They are at the mercy of the extremists and their culture wars because of their historically narrow majority, which ironically is the reason for the small majority in the first place.

a Republican from Florida was likely elected by voters to get certain things done.

a Republican from California was likely elected by voters with some of the same priorities but also with some different than Florida Man.

Its why they are called "Representatives" they all represent different sets of voters.

So they are meeting for the first time some of them and talking and working out these differences in what voters want into one consistent agenda.

Which as I said, started yesterday.

of their historically narrow majority

its the same exact majority the Dems JUST had last week....come on, man.

I honestly don't comprehend the logic of the Republican party to not have the selection process for such a pivotal role for speaker fully buttoned down before the vote.

its the same exact majority the Dems JUST had last week....come on, man.

Fact check: True!

And yet a remarkable (unintended) self-own as the Democrats never needed multiple rounds of voting to get their ducks in a row.

And going forward, I will feel free to remind everyone that the Democrats had the "same exact majority" when they got legislation passed and "The Hair" (or whom ever follows him) flails around like a dying water buffalo in a pool of crocodiles.

I was conversing with some of my US colleagues, customers, who stated it democracy in action.

The behaviour points to Inaction, dysfunctional.

US voters, electorate deserve better at a time of economic hardship.

It's very entertaining to watch the GOP getting frustrated by the GOP being GOPed, in such a GOP manner. And these people think they can rule a country? After their last three presidents crashed the economy right before the end of their presidency? Delusional, but at least this time they're the ones suffering the effects of their delusions. Pure and utter schadenfreude.

And yet a remarkable (unintended) self-own as the Democrats never needed multiple rounds of voting to get their ducks in a row. 

No, because party always comes first for the Democrats.

No, because party always comes first for the Democrats.

Unlike the MAGA folk, right?

...right?

If 9 vote “present” Hakeem Jefferies becomes speaker.

That would be the ultimate irony.

Unlike the MAGA folk, right?

If they did they would have a speaker by now as well as supporting Kevin unopposed.

If they did they would have a speaker by now

What are you on about? The MAGA folk don't have a speaker now.

as well as supporting Kevin unopposed.

Then why are the MAGA folk opposing Kevin?

"He’s very much a wind sock politician, so I get why they don’t trust him at all. Just have no clue what the end game is"

Bomb throwing. Chaos.

Much like te UK's farage or the French lefts' melenchon they don't actually want to be in power.

The Republican party did this to themselves.

The Republican party is insane.

A prediction that admittedly might not come to pass:

Ultimately one way or the other, the Democrats will solve this problem for the Republicans.

"The Hair" can't give in or the inmates will have taken over the asylum.

The Nutters can't give in or they will be marked for political death. No more committees, no more RNC help. No more nothing.

The Democrats, by either voting for a compromise candidate or by voting present (in exchange for whatever they want), might be the only way out of this self-own, "trip down a wood chipper" path that the GQP is on.

Or, they might just let the nutters and those that enabled them twist in the wind for the entire country to laugh at.

What are you on about? The MAGA folk don't have a speaker now.

Like I said, if they were a United bunch like the the Dems and had the same group monolithic think they would have stuck with Kevin

Then why are the MAGA folk opposing Kevin?

For a multitude of reasons. Personally, I want them to take their time, that’s good and if the RINO’s don’t like it, oh-well…..

Kinda hilarious Trump's intervention Didn't. Change. A. Thing.

Heh. Talk about a has-been.

This freak-show reminds me of Fantasia where Mickey empowers the broom sticks to carry his water for him not knowing how to turn them off.

Gym Jordan, Mick Mulvaney and Mark Medows trained their rubes in the art of obstruction for obstruction's sake and now they cannot get their minions to play nice and behave like elected officials.

This is really an example of how some people just want to watch things burn for the sheer fun of it. There is no policy goal. There is no ideology goal.

They just love throwing bombs and getting on TV.

No, because party always comes first for the Democrats.

Your side ran and still support the inveterate liars Herschel Walker and George Santos strictly along party lines. Are you seriously trying to tell us that these are strong or deserving candidates? Physician, heal thyself.

The GOP will become more divided as 2024 nears.

Gym Jordan, Mick Mulvaney and Mark Medows trained their rubes in the art of obstruction for obstruction's sake

Good, that’s healthy for democracy.

and now they cannot get their minions to play nice and behave like elected officials. 

They don’t need to hurry to pay themselves on the back, we want hard oversight and especially from legislative to the criminal aspect of all what the Dems have done and if Kevin won’t do it there’s another option for speaker

This is really an example of how some people just want to watch things burn for the sheer fun of it.

Democrats do

There is no policy goal. There is no ideology goal. 

There is, we just need a speaker that won’t appease the left and the RINO’s I personally would love to see Chip Roy as House Speaker but I know his name is not in the hat, too bad.

They just love throwing bombs and getting on TV.

No, that’s the Dems forte.

Gym Jordan, Mick Mulvaney and Mark Medows trained their rubes in the art of obstruction for obstruction's sake

Good, that’s healthy for democracy.

No, it most certainly is not.

You are wrong. Supporting people that contribute nothing and do nothing other than throw bombs and seek to tear down democratic institutions is misguided, undemocratic (Authoritarian) and most importantly Un-American.

Gym Jordan, Mick Mulvaney and Mark Medows trained their rubes in the art of obstruction for obstruction's sake 

Good, that’s healthy for democracy

Just obstruct. What you are obstructing isn’t relevant.

Here we have a perfect distillation of partisanship.

Pelosi, the first woman speaker and held the office for 8 years.