McCarthy's last-ditch plan to keep U.S. government open collapses, making a shutdown almost certain

They need to pass a separate bill immediately to make sure our soldiers will be paid. They cannot be sacrificed.

Blah blah Libs. Blah blah establishment. Blah blah swamp.

its everyone’s fault except noble flawless MAGA patriots who are utterly blameless in their mission to punish normal people on behalf of their lord and master in Mar a Lago.

a pox on your house

The Cult Reps in the GQP caucus saying that “It’s no big deal. Everyone will get back pay.”

No, not everyone. Service workers on hourly contracts will not get back pay (they tend to be “less well-off”).

In addition student loans will not get processed. Govt subsidized day care will close. (I guess all those women should have thought about that before the got pregnant, eh?)

There are a whole host of other effects that will not be mitigated by back pay IN ADDITION to the fundamental callousness of saying to career civil servants, soldiers, ATC, etc. “Just work like an indentured servant.”

The GQP fundamentally sucks at govt.

Next election cycle, the voters are going to put the adults back in charge.

Those hard-headed Repubs / MAGAs should get their act straight!

This is once again sabotaging - all they're so good at.

I'm glad to see that at least some of the Republicans know what they're doing!

https://bipartisanreport.com/2023/09/29/340-house-members-vote-down-marjorie-taylor-greene-back-ukraine/

A government shut down about nothing, except ensuring the defeat of Republicans at the polls.

McCarthy’s right-flank Republicans refused to support the bill despite its steep spending cuts of nearly 30% to many agencies and severe border security provisions, calling it insufficient.

Looks like the "word of the day" for the writers here is "flank"! Oh and it's incorrectly being used here as if they truly were on his "flank" they would be working in conjunction with him, and not against him!

It's more like they have broken off and decided to do things on their own!

And in the end, the Ukrainian defense funding bill passed with overwhelming bipartisan support.

So the goobers don’t get their scalp, Kevin is about to become the biggest ninny ever to sit in the chair, even briefly, the GQP takes it in the shirts, and America normalizes dysfunction as government policy because a few goobers just want to watch the country burn.

The Cult Reps in the GQP caucus saying that “It’s no big deal. Everyone will get back pay.”

Now the left cares?? Funny?

No, not everyone. Service workers on hourly contracts will not get back pay (they tend to be “less well-off”). 

That is the service industry for sure.

In addition student loans will not get processed. Govt subsidized day care will close.

Hopefully.

There are a whole host of other effects that will not be mitigated by back pay IN ADDITION to the fundamental callousness of saying to career civil servants, soldiers, ATC, etc. “Just work like an indentured servant.”

They are already doing that, I’m surprised liberals are so adamant about the well-being of civil servants when the very people push for more money to be sent to Ukraine and other countries overseas.

The GQP fundamentally sucks at govt. 

They suck had holding the line, some are, but others need to join in.

Next election cycle, the voters are going to put the adults back in charge.

Doubt it. They may hate a shutdown, but they know of Dems control the purse, spending will further drive the nation into unrecoverable debt. The rest of the nation doesn’t want to look like California or NYC.

It will be the second time the GOP shut down the government recently.

Who could have imagined electing rightwing nutjobs who hate the government to run said government would turn out so bad?

But as soon as the floor debate began, McCarthy’s chief Republican critic, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida, announced he would be voting against the package, urging his colleagues to “not surrender.”

Gaetz, MTG and other Republicans do not mind gorging at the public trough like their proverbial entitlement welfare queens with subsidies and loan forgiveness when the opportunity presents itself, for example during the pandemic.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-ppp-loans-forgiven-republicans-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene/65470173007/

But become tight-fists when it comes to the public taking part in government welfare.

Their whole position is a sham to give a boost to Trump.

Republicans: Absolute incompetence.

It will be the second time the GOP shut down the government recently.

And Trump lost after he shut it down last time.

Not that they even actually agree he lost.

Real clowns work together.

These are phonies.

And in the end, the Ukrainian defense funding bill passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. 

In the Senate, Not by the majority of Americans that want funding of Ukraine to stop.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/09/politics/white-house-responds-cnn-poll/index.html

So the goobers don’t get their scalp,

Neither the rest of the nation that wants this spending to stop.

Kevin is about to become the biggest ninny ever to sit in the chair, even briefly, the GQP takes it in the shirts, and America normalizes dysfunction as government policy because a few goobers just want to watch the country burn.

I disagree, I think Kevin will go down as the man who desperately tried to keep his promise to his constituents and that is a good and noble thing. I applaud him for trying. He’s definitely and thankfully not a Ryan or Boehner, thank God!

Who could have imagined electing rightwing nutjobs who hate the government to run said government would turn out so bad?

It has been for years.

the majority of Americans that want funding of Ukraine to stop.

The majority of Americans don't want funding to stop.

The White House and Democrats rejected the Republican approach as too extreme. The vote was 198-232, with 21 hard-right Republicans voting to sink the package. The Democrats voted against it.

So once again, we have the Freedom Caucus VOTING WITH Nancy, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, etc., to defeat and humiliate their fellow Repubs and Speaker...

So by praising the Freedom Caucus "for standing up", our MAGA-friends here are praising all these "Libs" also...

Team Blue thanks you...

The bill’s complete failure a day before Saturday’s deadline to fund the government leaves few options to prevent a shutdown that will furlough federal workers, keep the military working without pay and disrupt programs and services for millions of Americans.

Having been in the military during these various shut-downs, I can tell you first-hand it has a major impact on the young troops, especially those with a family, who live paycheck to paycheck. It's inexcusable what these Repubs are doing to these heroes...

A clearly agitated McCarthy left the House chamber. “It’s not the end yet; I've got other ideas,” he told reporters.

Like taking a page from Boehner and Ryan...and quitting...

The outcome puts McCarthy’s speakership in serious jeopardy with almost no political leverage to lead the House at a critical moment that has pushed the government into crisis. Even the failed plan, an extraordinary concession to immediately slash spending by one-third for many agencies, was not enough to satisfy the hard right flank that has upturned his speakership.

Google "impotent" and "emasculated" and a picture of McCarthy pops up...

Good. Shut it down.

The Cult Reps in the GQP caucus saying that “It’s no big deal. Everyone will get back pay.”

Now the left cares?? Funny?

Not everyone who recognizes goober stupidity is “Left” and yes, because they’re actual human beings suffering actual tangible effects from GQP incompetence and I difference.

The MAGA cult “Screw those lazy government bureaucrats “ sure as hell doesn’t. Because MAGA doesn’t care about anything beyond their narrow self-interests.

And in the end, the Ukrainian defense funding bill passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. 

In the Senate, Not by the majority of Americans that want funding of Ukraine to stop.

Again as demonstrably incorrect as you are wrong.

Passed the House at about midnight JST 320 something to less than 200.

And the majority of Americans stand with Ukraine it’s just the majority of the cult you call a part that doesn’t

In addition student loans will not get processed. Govt subsidized day care will close.

Bass: Hopefully.

You're about to get your shutdown. Own it and cheer for the harm you will do to hard working Americans.

Remember, your ideology is more important than their mortgage payments and child care.

Not everyone who recognizes goober stupidity is “Left”

True, but the majority who think so are though.

and yes, because they’re actual human beings suffering actual tangible effects from GQP incompetence and I difference. 

Gosh man, I wish you felt like that when the Dems were spending our money as if it came out of Niagara Falls.

The MAGA cult “Screw those lazy government bureaucrats “ sure as hell doesn’t. Because MAGA doesn’t care about anything beyond their narrow self-interests.

No, stop the Dems from out of control frivolous spending and stop sending our money overseas, we have enough people that need it and rightfully deserve it.

McCarthy's last-ditch plan to keep U.S. government open collapses, making a shutdown almost certain

Of course he's going to try to keep it open. His job is on the line and he's walking a tight rope.

The Republicans made an agreement back in May and now because of a small group of right-wingers.

Man! It's just been one big circus on the US taxpayers' dime. Those who can vote, remember this. It's not what a Party says. It's what it does.

Hard to believe some here were excited about the new dawn of Kevin and his pursestrings. “We’ve got the House”. Must be such a disappointment.

Matt and his fellow loonies are mad that the country didn’t default in the summer and that a bipartisan agreement was reached with top line numbers established.

They’re trying to renege on the deal.

They’re going to fail.

The vote was 198-232, with 21 hard-right Republicans voting to sink the package. The Democrats voted against it.

And these Repubs who joined with Nancy, Schiff, Nadler and Swalwell were;

Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Ariz., Rep. Dan Bishop, R- N.C., Rep. Lauren Boebert, R-Colo., Rep. Ken Buck, R-Colo., Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., Rep. Eric Burlison, R-Mo., Rep. Michael Cloud, R-Texas., Rep. Eli Crane, R-Ariz., Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., Rep. Wesley Hunt, R-Texas., Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., Rep. Mary Miller, R-Ill., Rep. Cory Mills, R-Fla., Rep. Alex Mooney, R-W.V., Rep. Barry Moore, R-Ala., Rep. Troy Nehls, R-Texas., Rep. Andy Ogles, R-Tenn., Rep. Matt Rosendale, R-Mont., Rep. Keith Self, R-Texas.

So MAGA-heroes Gaetz, MTG, Boebert, Gosar, ei al, all chose to vote WITH Nancy and Schiff and all the other "Libs" instead of their own fellow Repubs - and voted with the Dems to sink a bill sponsored and indorsed by their own Repub Leader....

Bass: This is the second time your MAGA-heroes have sided with the Libs over their own party....

What do you think about that? You agree with them siding WITH Nancy AGAINST Kevin? Or are they traitors to their own party?

Tick tock.

MAGA world does not care one ounce for the nation’s wellbeing. It is a nihilistic cult that lives for petty urges toward grievance and retribution. As for the cult leader Himself, he cares about himself only.

Sad to see the US becoming more and more an example of the negative aspects of having a democracy, unfortunately this government is only a symptom of the deep problems of the society that elected it.

Let me just fix one thing (for the time being) for you:

That’s ok, I just did

Matt and his fellow loonies are mad that the country didn’t default in the summer and that a bipartisan agreement was reached with top line numbers established. 

They’re mad at Democrats, not the country.

They’re trying to renege on the deal. 

They should

They’re going to fail.

Not really, at least if it doesn’t go well people will see he was serious about cuts. That goes a long way for any Republican.

MAGA world does not care one ounce for the nation’s wellbeing.

We do, this administration and the DNC do not and have not for decades. Look at the cities that they run, not one single Democrat would live in any of these areas where thugs run around robbing and looting and defying the rule of law.

It is a nihilistic cult that lives for petty urges toward grievance and retribution.

Probably and justifiably

As for the cult leader Himself, he cares about himself only.

If that were true then he wouldn’t run. Got enough money and doesn’t need the grief and headaches.

I don’t know about you, but I’m sick and tired of theatrics.

The US needs term limits now. Go to Washington DC to serve for a few years, doing the best for the nation and people, not to fulfill your ego and bank account.

As bad as this shutdown is for MAGA-world and the Repubs, there was even worse news today;

Scott Hall, one of 19 defendants charged in the 2020 election interference case in Georgia, reached a plea agreement with prosecutors Friday, making him the first defendant in the case to do so.

Media outlets report that Hall pleaded guilty before Judge Scott McAfee to five misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with the performance of election duties.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-co-defendant-agrees-plea-202005586.html

Hall is one of the culprits who were going to break into the election office in Coffee County Georgia to tamper with voting machines....and he is now a cooperating witness for the prosecution...

So Fani Willis just got her first "win" - and a witness to testify that Trump and his cabal of kooks planned to plant fake evidence of fraud on voting machines....

Now that he has flipped, who is next? Powell? Rudy who can't pay his current lawyers? Meadows?

Just as in every other Trump criminal case, his own rats are turning on him...

If this barnpot way of running the country is how it is, pass a succession of individual funding bills well in advance. Don't have an all-or-nothing, handbags-at-dawn squabble at the last minute. It's embarrassing. Putin and Xi must be having a good laugh over this.

Biden wants to (not sure how he can) forgive billion in student loans, and who gets to pay for it? The middle class that is rapidly eroding. We follow the rules and have to pay for other irresponsible Americans, kind of un-American I would think.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-ppp-loans-forgiven-republicans-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene/65470173007/

Who paid for MTG and Gaetz' forgiven loans?

How did Trump creep up into the conversation??

Scroll up MAGA mind.

Some of the Republican holdouts including Gaetz are allies of Donald Trump, who is Biden's chief rival in 2024.

*So MAGA-heroes Gaetz, MTG, Boebert, Gosar, ei al, all chose to vote WITH Nancy and Schiff and all the other "Libs" instead of their own fellow Repubs - and voted with the Dems to sink a bill sponsored and indorsed by their own Repub Leader....*

Bass: This is the second time your MAGA-heroes have sided with the Libs over their own party....

*What do you think about that? You agree with them siding WITH Nancy AGAINST Kevin? Or are they traitors to their own party?*

Bass, still waiting...

We need to focus on the important question: what will the shutdown be called? I'm torn between the "MAGA Mischief Meltdown" and the "Crazy Time Cop-out".

@Strangerland

The majority of Americans don't want funding to stop.

The data doesn’t support your skewed view — once again.

—

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia

August 4, 2023

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more.

The “I got mine. Screw everyone else” Caucus is driving this. They’ll rightly be blamed, first by their unfortunate fellow GQP reps, then by the general electorate.

Stop playing dumb.

It’s not “playing” dumb.

*What do you think about that? You agree with them siding WITH Nancy AGAINST Kevin? Or are they traitors to their own party?

No and No.

Until 2008 it required a 2/3 majority in each house of the California State Legislature to pass the annual appropriations bill. While Democrats held majorities in both houses they didn't hold supermajorities. This allowed a minority of Republicans to make demands for legislation that would never get considered otherwise. Funding reductions to Programs despised by Republicans and anti-immigrant measures featured heavily in these demands. The resulting stalemates led to annual government shut downs, some lasting a month or more. This went on for years until a ballot initiative in 2006 or 2008 changed the State Constitution to allow appropriations bills to pass on a simple majority. There was another piece of legislation that prevented legislators from being paid if the appropriations bills were late. From 2008 onward California had on time budget bills with surpluses.

A corollary effect was the disgust most Californians had for the Republicans and their annual budget blackmail led to their political demise in the state. Now both houses of the State Legislature have Democratic supermajorities and there hasn't been a Republican holding any statewide office since Arnold Schwarzenegger. Credit Republican intransigence and their my way or the highway attitude in the Legislature. The did it to themselves. It may be that the Republicans do it to themselves on a national level. This sort of thing seems to be in their blood. No tolerance for compromise. That doesn't work in an elected representative government.

Oh for goodness sake. If there's a funding package that a majority of legislators can get behind then they should put aside party affilation and vote for it. Then the hard-core diehards on either side of the political spectrum would be irrelevant.

This will cause even more borrowing to pay down debt. The bills do not stop just because the congress shuts down the workforce. There are still rent payments, contractual obligations over many years already requiring monthly installments, etc. Except this time the interest will be higher.

The former guy's airplane is on the ground in Los Angeles while he sleeps soundly with the libs. He did not do that with his supporters in Michigan earlier this week or with his supporters in Iowa earlier this month. Nope, he was in and out. But this weekend he sleeps in LA.

We need to focus on the important question: what will the shutdown be called? I'm torn between the "MAGA Mischief Meltdown" and the "Crazy Time Cop-out".

The Executive Vice President of the Chamber of Commerce Charlie Sykes is calling it the "Seinfeld Shutdown because it's a shutdown about nothing".

This will cause even more borrowing to pay down debt. 

How so? Taxes will still be remitted. The Fed is off budget, financed from deposits by the banks it regulates and operates independently. Other than a possible downgrade in the nation's credit rating leading to higher interest rates on future bonds I don't see the effect you describe.

First it was “fund the border wall or we’ll shut the government down!”

Now it’s “Give up Ukraine and MAYBE we will keep the lights on.”

Nah, the bipartisan sanity caucus isn’t giving into the goobers.

And they don’t get to use one program as a fig leaf for their utter incompetence at basic governance.

Oh for goodness sake. If there's a funding package that a majority of legislators can get behind then they should put aside party affilation and vote for it. Then the hard-core diehards on either side of the political spectrum would be irrelevant.

My concern is that there is a move to end Mr. McCarthy's speakership by Matt Gaetz or one of his cohorts but nobody emerges from the maelstrom of Republican House politics who can command enough votes to replace Mr. McCarthy. Absent a speaker nothing else can be accomplished. I worry this may happen. IT seems to me a vote on the Senate CR is the obvious solution but Mr. McCarthy won't allow it, knowing House Democrats would vote in favor of it and nothing that is likely to come out of the Republican House caucus is likely to pass in the Senate much less be signed into law by the President. I think the situation is worse than most realize. I have seen stalemates like this in the California Legislature last more than a month with state employees furloughed, Highway Patrol and courts working without pay and various vendors and contractors going unpaid. State employees and even contractors were begging stores to accept IOUs until the state passed a budget and they could get paid.

What do you think about that? You agree with them siding **WITH Nancy AGAINST ***Kevin?

No and No.

In almost every post Bass accuses the "Dems" of free spending like a "Tony Montana Coke Addict"....

Yet 25 of his MAGA heroes in the Freedom Caucus VOTED WITH THE FREE SPENDING DEMS to defeat a Repub-sponsored bill...

One thing Bass is very clear on - he hates Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, et al, for impeaching his Ultra MAGA King - twice...

Yet his MAGA-heroes colluded with these hated Dems to stiff and humiliate their fellow Repubs...

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

I vote for “Asinine Arsonists shutdown” because some sociopaths just want to watch things burn.

Desert TortoiseToday  10:11 am JST

My concern is that there is a move to end Mr. McCarthy's speakership by Matt Gaetz or one of his cohorts but nobody emerges from the maelstrom of Republican House politics who can command enough votes to replace Mr. McCarthy.

Is it absolutely impossible for a speaker to be elected with bipartisan support? It seems to me that in other countries that's what coalitions are for.

lincolnmanToday  10:11 am JST

Yet 25 of his MAGA heroes in the Freedom Caucus VOTED WITH THE FREE SPENDING DEMS to defeat a Repub-sponsored bill...

I suppose the excuse will be is that they're representing their constituents and that's a good thing. I daresay the fact that Democrats also voted against the bill is just neither here nor there.

One thing Bass is very clear on - he hates Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Swalwell, et al, for impeaching his Ultra MAGA King - twice...

But he was acquitted twice by the GOP Senate majorities. Hooray for politicised justice!

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

Except deflection, obfuscation, waffle or "I already answered that."

What do you call a bunch of pinheads that can’t find their way out of a paper bag?

The Republican Party.

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

Let me guess. “Scroll up. I already answered that.”

I like the part where Manu Raju asked him back in the beginning “Do you have the votes to be elected speaker?” Yes. “How do you know?”

My Kevin stops and does his best Mussolini tough guy pose and says, “Because I can count.” and walks on.

LOL. Apparently he don’t count so good.

plasticmonkeyToday  10:27 am JST

Let me guess. “Scroll up. I already answered that.”

I wonder how many hours of scrolling it would take to find the answer. I have better things to do with my day, personally. Spending several hours staring at wallpaper springs to mind.

There may be a side issue at stake under the radar.

The Ethics Committee has re-opened the Matt Faetz child sex-trafficking investigation (Under GOP leadership no less!)

Venmo-boi maybe angling for an end to that as a price for his vote.

Even in the alternate reality known as the “Great” state of Florida, being a kiddie-diddling sex-trafficker isn’t a good look, especially when the kiddie diddler wants to run for Governor.

The GOP are completely dysfunctional.

The GOP are completely dysfunctional.

I disagree. They’d have to make significant improvements to be merely “dysfunctional.”

This is “Bi-polar and off meds”-level incompetence.

@bass

Care to explain why you’re looking forward to government subsidized day care getting shut down?

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

No matter how many times you asked me that question, I already gave you an answer to that.

Care to explain why you’re looking forward to government subsidized day care getting shut down?

What is it with you guys today? Lol

As I told you before, people are getting tired of our money, going everywhere, else except back into the nation, and to take care of the nations problems, if the Dems would be taken care of the homelessness that they have created as well as the open borders they push for and cut more of the lavish entitlements and reckless spending, I would definitely be more persuadable to push for not shutting down the government, but I have never met a liberal that didn’t love attacks, so I don’t think that’s going to happen, but as I always say it’s not their money, so why would they care?

The GOP are completely dysfunctional.

Not nearly as incompetent or ethically and morally dysfunctional as the DNC or this administration.

The Ethics Committee has re-opened the Matt Faetz

Gaetz, that’s his name, no need for confusion.

child sex-trafficking investigation (Under GOP leadership no less!)

And?

Venmo-boi maybe angling for an end to that as a price for his vote. 

Doubt it.

Even in the alternate reality

The real world. Save haven from the liberal Lunacy that has engulfed and partially destroyed the West and East Coast states

known as the “Great” state of Florida, being a kiddie-diddling sex-trafficker isn’t a good look, especially when the kiddie diddler wants to run for Governor.

So far they weren’t able to prove anything, unlike another politician that carried gold bars in his jacket. Probably trying for another witch hunt.

The GOP are completely dysfunctional.

Not nearly as incompetent or ethically and morally dysfunctional as the DNC or this administration.

Noise and deflection from a nihilistic cult. Nothing more.

Gaetz, that’s his name, no need for confusion.

Yes, he was mentioned with his opposition to "entitlements and reckless spending and student loan forgiveness.

While having PPP loans forgiven.

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-rips-republicans-over-ppp-loans-student-loan-forgiveness-2022-8

Same with MTG.

Regurgitating Tea Party boilerplate does not mask these contradictions.

I suppose the excuse will be is that they're representing their constituents and that's a good thing.

Yes, always keep your promise.

I daresay the fact that Democrats also voted against the bill is just neither here nor there.

Also they voted against spending cuts. Again, not their money, so….

But he was acquitted twice by the GOP Senate majorities. Hooray for politicised justice!

Yup!!!!

Noise and deflection from a nihilistic cult. Nothing more.

No, you’re just angry, because you got tongue tied, and in the worst of the famous Funkmaster, Bootsy Collins, “if you fake the funk, your nose will grow.”

I suppose the excuse will be is that they're representing their constituents and that's a good thing. 

Yes, always keep your promise.

Indeed. The GQP caucus reached a bipartisan deal on the debt ceiling with the Administration on top-line numbers. Now they’re trying to renege on the deal.

*What do you think about that? You agree with them siding WITH Nancy AGAINST Kevin? Or are they traitors to their own party?*

No and No.

Are they rinos?

—Care to explain why you’re looking forward to government subsidized day care getting shut down?

As I told you before, people are getting tired of our money, going everywhere, else except back into the nation, and to take care of the nations problems

Government subsidized day care is domestic spending. To “take care of the nation’s problems”.

Again, why are you against that?

(Since you haven’t answered yet.)

It takes two sides to fail in negotiations. If they won't govern, they aren't fit for office. Hold them all accountable at the polls. Never vote for the incumbent. When they are all gone, finally, they will get the message - Dem/Rep - doesn't matter. DC smells bad and always does.

bass4funkToday  11:09 am JST

"I suppose the excuse will be is that they're representing their constituents and that's a good thing."

Yes, always keep your promise.

Well wasn't that predictable.

"I daresay the fact that Democrats also voted against the bill is just neither here nor there."

Also they voted against spending cuts. Again, not their money, so….

So neither here nor there.

"Hooray for politicised justice!"

Yup!!!!

So you'd be cool with a Democrat Senate majority acquitting Biden of things he was actually 100% guilty of, right?

—child sex-trafficking investigation (Under GOP leadership no less!)

And?

Since the MAGA fringe is against govt subsidized day care, why should it care about child sex trafficking?

Current FoxNews.com headline:

"Biden administration issues restrictions on gas furnaces in latest war on appliances"

Bass, so what do you think of your heroes siding with your "Lib" enemies and Team Blue over Team Red?

No matter how many times you asked me that question, I already gave you an answer to that.

Oh come on - that poor excuse died days ago.

Your MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus have thrown-in with the "Libs" against their own party.

MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar all sided and voted with Nancy and Schiff rather than your own Repubs...they stood with the Libs in shooting down a Repub bill.

Why did they turn on their own party and clasp hands with the Libs?

They are voting with the Libs helping make your fellow Repubs look weak and defeated - and McCarthy impotent. Why?

Well wasn't that predictable.

If the shoe fits…

So neither here nor there. 

You really wouldn’t know, really

So you'd be cool with a Democrat Senate majority acquitting Biden of things he was actually 100% guilty of, right?

Well, of course they would. Just like they did with Bill Clinton, so I wouldn’t expect any different if it were a Republican President with the charges were valid or political.

Bass: I wasn’t talking about that, I was talking to frivolous spending, whatever happened to the Covid relief money, no one seems to know where that money ended up, what happened to fixing our bridges and roads, and some of the cities the potholes are about the size of moon craters, not one person is addressing that, been around LA lately? Been to Hollywood, Portland, or Seattle, lately, how about San Francisco, every notice that the homeless crisis is worsening by the day, as well as thugs, robbing, and looting, when you have massive stores, like Apple, or Target closing, you have a problem, a very serious one, when you have these criminals, thinking that they are entitled to take whatever they want, you have a breakdown society in the Democrats could care less, they act as if it’s no big deal.

That is why I’m against it.

All excellent reasons why out troops shouldn't get paid.

Your MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus have thrown-in with the "Libs" against their own party.

MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar all sided and voted with Nancy and Schiff rather than your own Repubs...they stood with the Libs in shooting down a Repub bill.

Why did they turn on their own party and clasp hands with the Libs? 

Scroll up, I belabored the reason

They are voting with the Libs helping make your fellow Repubs look weak and defeated - and McCarthy impotent. Why?

I think you’re overdoing and embellishing the issue a tad, not like that, but I get why they are doing it even if I don’t agree with it.

All excellent reasons why out troops shouldn't get paid.

Now the left care about the troops, wish they did so 2 years ago, a lot of lives wouldn’t have been lost.

As I told you before, people are getting tired of our money, going everywhere, else except back into the nation, and to take care of the nations problems

Government subsidized day care is domestic spending. To “take care of the nation’s problems”.

It has not clue one as to the components of GDP.

It doesn’t care.

It seems that our Freedom Caucus friends not only vote with the Libs, they collude and conspire with them against their own party as well.

*With the clock ticking down toward a government shutdown, Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz approached a Democratic lawmaker on the House floor this week with a surprising pitch.*

Gaetz, who has been threatening Speaker Kevin Mcarthy’s speakership almost daily, explained that his rebellion is motivated by a desire to find new leadership that keeps their word, tells the truth, and adheres to regular order – a message that this Democrat described to CNN as “utterly reasonable.”

*Gaetz then floated veteran Republican Rep. Tom Cole of Oklahoma and House GOP Whip Tom Emmer of Minnesota as two alternative examples he had in mind, and *then attempted to gauge whether this member would be open to supporting an effort to oust McCarthy. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaetz-war-against-mccarthy-could-215700209.html

I wonder what our MAGA-posters here think of that - inviting and teaming with the Libs to kick out their own Repub Speaker.

Isn't that called "conspiring with the enemy"?

our MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus have thrown-in with the "Libs" against their own party.

MTG, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar all sided and voted with Nancy and Schiff rather than your own Repubs...they stood with the Libs in shooting down a Repub bill.

Why did they turn on their own party and clasp hands with the Libs? 

Scroll up, I belabored the reason

Where? Which post? Be specific pls.

They are voting with the Libs helping make your fellow Repubs look weak and defeated - and McCarthy impotent. Why?

I think you’re overdoing and embellishing the issue a tad, not like that, but I get why they are doing it even if I don’t agree with it.

Really? What do you call your heroes voting with your hated Libs against your own party? And if you "get it", then explain it to the rest of us.

I've always cared about the troops.

Same here

I want them to get paid as do most Americsns.

I want them to get paid, but more important, I want to Democrats to cut spending.

bass4funkToday 11:48 am JST

All excellent reasons why out troops shouldn't get paid.

Now the left care about the troops, wish they did so 2 years ago, a lot of lives wouldn’t have been lost.

There are going to be a lot more lives lost if Russia touches the Baltics or China touches Taiwan thanks to your eagerness to surrender.

It has not clue one as to the components of GDP. 

It doesn’t care.

For the record of civil discourse, please refer to me as “he or him” not “it” I’m not an in adamant object.

Thanks

bass4funkToday 11:56 am JST

I want them to get paid, but more important, I want to Democrats to cut spending.

So extorting the American people is more important than the troops getting paid. I can see how Republicans keep lowering our country's credit rating.

bass4funk

I want them to get paid, but more important, I want to Democrats to cut spending.

Shame you didn't believe that during the Trump term who outspent Biden so far.

I want them to get paid, but more important, I want to Democrats to cut spending.

You excused out of control spending under Trump as necessary.

Just to be clear, you don’t disagree with out of control spending in principle.

It’s not a fiscal conservatism thing, right?

I’m not an in adamant object.

There is nothing adamantine about you or the Freedom Caucus.

They have government loans forgiven costing the taxpayer, yet oppose the same for students and the working class.

Their values of fiscal responsibility are gelatinous in fact.

There are going to be a lot more lives lost if Russia touches the Baltics or China touches Taiwan thanks to your eagerness to surrender.

So whatever happened to Europe? I’m sorry, let them deal with it, then in the end, if they do need our help, it should be very, very limited, then no problem.

Where? Which post? Be specific pls.

I already told you specifically.

*Really? What do you call your heroes voting with your hated Libs against your own party? *

Republicans

And if you "get it", then explain it to the rest of us.

Again, scroll up.

Shame you didn't believe that during the Trump term who outspent Biden so far.

And now Biden has surpassed that. $3 trillion last year and by the end of next year $4.8 trillion, as a total we are already at $31 trillion that this guy added. So yeah, Joe takes the cake on that one.

There is nothing adamantine about you or the Freedom Caucus.

Hmmm

They have government loans forgiven costing the taxpayer, yet oppose the same for students and the working class.

We usually pay ours. I feel like this if you can’t afford to go to college, then get a job and pay your own way or get a loan, but only do that if you know you can pay it back.

Their values of fiscal responsibility are gelatinous in fact.

To the Dems?

You excused out of control spending under Trump as necessary.

After Obama, failed and depleted our military, yes, because I didn’t want a beefed up military

Just to be clear, you don’t disagree with out of control spending in principle. 

I do, especially in this situation, to be clear

It’s not a fiscal conservatism thing, right?

Actually, it is.

Shame you didn't believe that during the Trump term who outspent Biden so far.

And now Biden has surpassed that

Can you back this up?