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Judge appears willing to unveil some of Mar-a-Lago affidavit

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There’s a reason that Trump was yapping about releasing the Affidavit but his lawyers never said a peep: it would very likely look very bad for him. It would provide the rationale that got a judge to sign off on a search warrant (the validity of which his lawyers haven’t challenged) on the basis of probable cause.

When the redacted version is submitted to the judge, dies anyone (sane) think it will look better?

And if the judge says “I don’t like these redactions” the DOJ sends it up the appeals road ( Thus using the “Don the con special” against the Don. How ironic) and keeps on chugging.

And people wonder why he can’t get any qualified (as in competent) legal representation....

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“Trump, in a Truth Social post last week, called for the release of the unredacted affidavit in the interest of transparency.”

After years of promising to and failing to provide his tax records them attempting to block their release, it’s a little late to talk about ‘transparency’.

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On Wednesday, Trump posted a link to an article headlined “The Payback for Mar-a-Lago Will Be Brutal” on his Truth Social account.

Trump’s longtime personal attorney Rudy Giuliani explicitly warned last week that Trump will send federal agents to Biden’s house if Trump wins the next election. “If Trump gets elected, the first thing he’ll do is raid every one of Biden’s houses,” 

Trump Spent the Weekend Attacking the FBI Despite ‘Unprecedented’ Threats to Agents

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I clearly understand why the DOJ wants to keep the affidavit secret - Trump has already engaged in witness tampering with the Jan 6th investigation - why give him the potential identities of those at Mar-A-Lago that tipped off the FBI that he and his lawyer were lying?

On the other hand, I'd sure like to see his face when it turns out Melania dimed him out...

Payback for Stormy...

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There’s a reason that Trump was yapping about releasing the Affidavit but his lawyers never said a peep: it would very likely look very bad for him.

Actually that’s not entirely true, the burden of innocence falls along the lines with the FBI. For seven years they have hounded this man relentlessly over and over again, Sold the credibility of the FBI right now it’s just not good at all. This is why Trump put all the cards on the table, let’s see if the agency is forthcoming.

It would provide the rationale that got a judge to sign off on a search warrant (the validity of which his lawyers haven’t challenged) on the basis of probable cause. 

The judge signs off on a broadband search, which does not designate what they can take, it just basically means they can take anything, that’s just crazy and something like that just never happens

When the redacted version is submitted to the judge, dies anyone (sane) think it will look better? 

We don’t know yet, but we might be able to surmise as to what these people were trying to do, because none of this makes sense as far as the actions are concerned, other than being a weaponized side wing of the Democrat party now

And people wonder why he can’t get any qualified (as in competent) legal representation....

he can, but the problem is trying to get a judge that is fair and that has not represented criminals like Jeffrey Epstein or contributed to mostly Democrat candidates, none of that helps, now if you believe in a two-tier just a system, then you will applaud the decision.

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Right-wing firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is peddling shirts and hats emblazoned with the words: “Defund the FBI.” Trump attorney Alina Habba predicted this week that criminally charging Trump“would cause so much mayhem. That would be a monstrous mistake.”

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Right-wing firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is peddling shirts and hats emblazoned with the words: “Defund the FBI.”

And?

Trump attorney Alina Habba predicted this week that criminally charging Trump“would cause so much mayhem.

Yes, but if they could have charged Trump with anything he would have been charged already

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Right-wing firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is peddling shirts and hats emblazoned with the words: “Defund the FBI.”

Thankfully nobody takes her seriously.

After all she was screeching “war is big business” in Congress just 2 days after she bought Lockheed Martin stock.

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bass4funk

09:13 am

Right-wing firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia is peddling shirts and hats emblazoned with the words: “Defund the FBI.”

And?

You have posted numerous comments protesting defunding the police. Do you support refunding the FBI?

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Actually that’s not entirely true, the burden of innocence falls along the lines with the FBI. 

More evidence that B didn't go to law school. It's called the "Burden of PROOF" (kind of makes a difference) and the FBI cleared it when the judge signed off on the Warrant (which Trump's lawyers never challenged as is their right. Huh?)

As for the rest of your screed, It's not worthy of a reply which in and of itself is reply enough.

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great! release it. then we all know if its nonsense (or not).

Plus we get to see where the accusations are coming from (people, media, etc)

The lame DOJ excuse that it would make people angry if it is released just tells me it needs to be released. What is in there which would anger people?

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Of course they want to just keep dropping leaks at their own convenience and own timing to cover up bad news for Dems. But that is not how the justice system should work.

Was there justification for this raid or not? show the people and they can decide how they feel about it.

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Now we know why Trump is demanding to see the affidavit - he wants to know which family member dimed him out...

*Aides to former President Donald Trump believe that a member of his family may have tipped off the FBI about the presence of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago, The Guardian reported.  Multiple sources close to Trump told the publication that after the August 8 search of Trump's resort in Palm Beach, Florida, aides began speculating about who could have been speaking to the agency. In the search, agents took more than a dozen boxes of items, including highly classified information. Agents appeared to have specific information about what to look for. Speculation initially focussed on Trump's political aides and resort staff at Mar-a-Lago, the outlet's sources said, before shifting to those closer to Trump. *According to the sources, some aides were convinced that only a family member would have known to point agents to a particular leather-bound box, as well as knowing the location of Trump's safe.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-aides-think-family-member-105258170.html

Well, let's see; Don Jr? Eric? Ivanka and Jared? Melania? Barron?

My money is on Eric - he just saw Weisselberg plead guilty - and he took the 5th 500 times just like him...

Of course, don't count out Don Jr, who is as big a weasel and backstabber as there is...

And then there's Melania and payback for Stormy....

Hmmmm.....this is getting difficult....

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what this IS about is did the FBI have a legitimate reason for going on their Mar A Lago fishing expedition, taking things that were not in the warrant and not on the receipt for things they took.

Why did they do it, did they find what they are looking for and was it justified in the first place?

First it was presidential records, then it was the nuclear codes, then it was classified documents. then classification didnt matter just documents, then it was documents about the FBI malfeasance that they wanted back.

The way they knew was an informant, then it was a subpoena of a camera in Mar A Lago, then it was a media leak, then it was the Secret Service.

the "reasons" keep changing so lets see the document the judge was presented.

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You have posted numerous comments protesting defunding the police. Do you support refunding the FBI?

I support cleaning out the top echelon of the agency.

More evidence that B didn't go to law school.

More evidence that the left keep jumping way ahead of themselves.

It's called the "Burden of PROOF" (kind of makes a difference) and the FBI cleared it

they didn’t clear it, especially after six years of what they have done to this president from Lisa Page, McCabe, Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Comey

They have lost all credibility and have pulled the agency down with them which now equally has no credibility left

when the judge signed off on the Warrant (which Trump's lawyers never challenged as is their right. Huh?) 

He’s doing that now, by challenging the affidavit and now the Feds are trying to do damage control to hold up what little integrity the agency has left.

As for the rest of your screed, It's not worthy of a reply

Ok and?

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he wants to know which family member dimed him out...

see? now its supposedly a "family member"

Release the affidavit is the only way to stop this ever changing speculative nonsense.

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We don’t know yet, but we might be able to surmise as to what these people were trying to do, because none of this makes sense as far as the actions are concerned, other than being a weaponized side wing of the Democrat party now

The right thinks there is a conspiracy and bias against Trump, because Trump tried to get Comey to side with him when in office. It was illegal and stupid as president to do so, but in his world of autocratic thought, he believed the president of the United States had the power to do anything he wanted. Trump was so ignorant to the 3 branches of government, he thought he could control the FBI.

The right didn't complain of the FBI when going through Hilary's emails or looking into Hunter Biden's activities, still on going.

But now they'll come up with how the FBI is a conspiracy and a wing for the democrats because the many possible wrongs of Trumps are being investigated. Laughable and ridiculous as to why they believe evil wrong doing toward the FBI by Trump is repeated by Biden's office. The FBI, of which Trump didn't understand when essentially bribing Comey...a private dinner is unheard of for the FBI director with a president...is independent of any political party and presidential agenda.

Republican's lie and make up narrative ubiquitously and they keep lying. It's comedy but the truth they lie so freely and without any guilt makes it pathetic and scary.

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bass4funk

09:53 am 

You have posted numerous comments protesting defunding the police. Do you support refunding the FBI?

I support cleaning out the top echelon of the agency.

Trump already did that. Head of FBI Christopher A. Wray was appointed by Trump.

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This is getting good, the criminal is cornered..

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Mary Trump denies it was her.

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now back on topic. should they release the affidavit?

Trump says yes. I say yes, for the reasons I mentioned.

If you say no, why shouldnt they?

Doesnt it look like they are hiding something?

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If you say no, why shouldnt they?

Why would you tell the target of an active investigation the things they are being investigated for? Only people so stupid that they could believe the election was stolen from Trump in 2020 couldn't understand that concept.

Doesnt it look like they are hiding something?

No.

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Well, the redacted affidavit has been ordered to be released. More proof of Trump's crimes to come, more delusions and denials of reality by his acolytes.

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More proof of Trump's crimes to come, more delusions and denials of reality by his acolytes.

if its to be released, how do you know what is in it?

could this be.....speculation?

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A Justice Department lawyer said during the hearing that the probable cause affidavit used to get a warrant described how prosecutors might find "evidence of obstruction" on the grounds of the Florida property -- a possible crime that the search warrant itself revealed was under investigation.

they might find evidence of a possible crime.

this could be said about anyone, any time in any situation.

thats what they have to justify a raid?

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now back on topic. should they release the affidavit?

Trump says yes. 

Actually, he didn't where it mattered - in court.

Oh sure, Don blathered about releasing the Affidavit on "Truth" Social (feels like both words should be in quotations) but when it counted, in court? His lawyers didn't say a damn thing.

Just like they could have, but never did release the warrant. Just like they could have but never did challenge the warrant.

Because it's release will make him look as guilty as he is. The redacted version will deny him the knowledge of whom he needs to interfere with while simultaneously make him look worse (if that were indeed possible).

So, double fail for the Don. .....

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Just like they could have, but never did release the warrant. 

incorrect. they did release the warrant you obviously missed that.

they were criticized for not redacting the names of the raiding FBI agents.

missed that story?

Trump is not the party in the court case to release the affidavit, its the media.

so he wouldnt need to speak in court. He has said publicly to release it.

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Trump already did that. Head of FBI Christopher A. Wray was appointed by Trump.

So what? That means he’s impervious to corruption?

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incorrect. they did release the warrant you obviously missed that.

Yes, after the DOJ said "Ok, we are releasing the warrant." Oops as R. Perry would say.

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Oh sure, Don blathered about releasing the Affidavit on "Truth" Social (feels like both words should be in quotations) but when it counted, in court? His lawyers didn't say a damn thing. 

They don’t have to. He already did. Not to mention the media asked for it as well.

Just like they could have, but never did release the warrant.

The burden of innocence falls right now on the lap of the FBI, not on Trump especially with the egregious and deplorable record that they have for going after this man for the last seven years and unsuccessfully, might I add

Because it's release will make him look as guilty as he is.

Well, he can’t be guilty, because he wasn’t charged for anything, and yet the FBI digs a hole deeper for themselves, again

The redacted version will deny him the knowledge

But it will give him crumbs at least to figure out where this all started and what the reasons were, not that hard to figure out, so this is a win in many ways for Trump.

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so that means they did release it. You said they didnt.

Nice walkback.

We dont have Trumps passports, its a lie that he says we took them!

( we dont have them cause we gave them back 15 mins ago)

typical word salad lib speak.

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Trump is not the party in the court case to release the affidavit, its the media.

so he wouldnt need to speak in court. He has said publicly to release it.

His lawyers were at the hearing. They could have spoken as an interested party and the judge surely would have heard them. They didn't.

Trump blathering on his so-called service has no legal standing. His lawyers stand up and call for an outcome (Like challenging the warrant which they did not. Or filing a friend of the court brief on behalf of the Affidavit's release, which they did not) or they do not. They did not.

Because they don't want the Affidavit, redacted or otherwise, out there. (For someone who is following this so closely, you don't seem to be up to speed....)

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So what? That means he’s impervious to corruption?

Do you think Donald Trump is impervious to corruption?

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all this is a win for Trump, more popular than ever and is seen by more people than ever as a martyr and a victim of political persecution.

that is all that is needed to help the elections.

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all this is a win for Trump, more popular than ever 

Donald Trump: More Popular than Genital Herpes!

Put that on a bumper sticker.

I guess the "Stay on topic" rant goes away when you run out of Faux-supplied talking points?

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bass4funk

10:38 am JST

Trump already did that. Head of FBI Christopher A. Wray was appointed by Trump.

So what? That means he’s impervious to corruption?

Well, I suppose if Trump is so corrupt some of that might have rubbed off on Wray, but you know, probably not.

Wray joined the government in 1997 as an Assistant United States Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia. In 2001, he moved to the Justice Department as associate deputy attorney general and principal associate deputy attorney general.

25 years of public service. Trump gave 5.

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if its to be released, how do you know what is in it?

could this be.....speculation?

Yes, it's entirely speculation. I have no inside information about the contents of the affidavit. Which means I have the same amount of evidence in regards to what is in the affidavit as the believers in The Big Lie do in regards to the 2020 election having somehow been stolen from Trump.

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His lawyers were at the hearing. They could have spoken

But he did, which he is allowed to.

Trump blathering on his so-called service has no legal standing.

That’s your partisan hypothesis talking again.

His lawyers stand up and call for an outcome (Like challenging the warrant which they did not. Or filing a friend of the court brief on behalf of the Affidavit's release, which they did not) or they do not. They did not. 

Again the burden of proof falls on the FBI’s lap and the judge allowed for some of it to be revealed, that’s good enough

Because they don't want the Affidavit, redacted

Well, who wants that? But it doesn’t matter don’t be able to put the puzzle together with what they will be getting.

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Well, I suppose if Trump is so corrupt some of that might have rubbed off on Wray,

Remember, Trump was a Democrat first, so old habits die hard, watch what you say now. Lol

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Yep Fox News.

GOP leading in Ohio midterm races, Ohioans more likely to vote for Trump in 2024 after FBI raid in new poll

The majority of Ohio voters said the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago made them more likely to vote for Trump in 2024

An Emerson College Polling survey of voters in the Buckeye State suggested that the Republicans have a ten-point advantage on the generic congressional ballot with 51% support, compared to 41% who said they would be likely voting for a Democratic candidate this fall.

Trump-endorsed candidate J.D. Vance has a 5-point lead in the Ohio Senate race with 47% support

Thanks FBI raid!

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Trump already did that. Head of FBI Christopher A. Wray was appointed by Trump.

So what? That means he’s impervious to corruption?

It seems everyone Trump hired was corrupt; his entire inner circle has either been convicted a crime, is being investigated for a crime, or is testifying as to the crimes that happened. And now it turns out that he hired a corrupt head of the FBI.

I thought Trump was a good manager. Are you sure you guys want this dude who has nearly a 100% batting record on hiring criminals and the corrupt, to be doing the hiring again? What is it that makes you suppose he'll not hire criminals and the corrupt this next go-round? Has he given you an indication that he has a different approach to drain his swamp if he's elected 2024?

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Thanks FBI raid!

You trust MSM polls?

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His lawyers were at the hearing. They could have spoken

But he did, which he is allowed to.

Not at the hearing, which is the only place that it legally matters. He can scream "I am the king of the world" while holding on the the front of a model of the Titanic, but only he or his designated representatives, speaking in the relevant proceedings matters. And they didn't.

Trump blathering on his so-called service has no legal standing.

That’s your partisan hypothesis talking again.

No, that's legal fact. It's why Rudy isn't in jail NOW. Because he screamed fraud when he was on the court house steps but when the gavel came down in PA, he said we are not alleging fraud.

You don't seem to be much better at keeping up with facts than the other b.

And the real quote, which you intentionally um, "revised" to suit your interests was as follows:

Because they don't want the Affidavit, redacted or otherwise, out there.

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First it was: "There is no classified at Mar-A-Lago"....

Then it was: "OK we lied, we had some but we returned it all in January"....

Then: "As of June, there is no classified at Mar-A_Lago"....

Then: "OK we lied, so there is 11 more boxes of classified to include TS/SCI"...

Makes one wonder what nuclear secrets are still hidden at Trump Tower and Bedminster...

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bass4funk

10:53 am JST

Well, I suppose if Trump is so corrupt some of that might have rubbed off on Wray,

Remember, Trump was a Democrat first, so old habits die hard, watch what you say now. Lol

You always end up scraping the barrel to find a trap door out. But I suppose you did post that Trump wouldn't win back in 2016.

But Trump wasn't a democrat when he got elected unless he was really uncover and he wasn't a democrat when he appointed the FBI chief.

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Not at the hearing, which is the only place that it legally matters.

Now all of a sudden the law matters to you guys?

but only he or his designated representatives, speaking in the relevant proceedings matters. And they didn't. 

Again, The burden of proof is on the FBI, they’re gonna have to open up and show that they’re not corrupt, now they’re going to do that is beyond me. And just when you think they couldn’t destroy the reputation any further, what amazes me most about the Democrats is that they hated the FBI in the Bush and Reagan years, couldn’t stand them, now they just adore them to the highest decree. You just can’t make this stuff up.

No, that's legal fact. It's why Rudy isn't in jail NOW.

He’s not in jail, because he didn’t do anything wrong, otherwise he would be in jail

You don't seem to be much better at keeping up with facts than the other b. 

I think it's sadly the other way around

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And for those of you keeping score at home, this is only 1 of 5, FIVE different criminal investigations into Trump.

This one (Unauthorized Docs at Mara-lardo)

1/6 General Grand Jury

False Electors Grand Jury

GA Election Special Grand Jury

NYC Civil Fraud investigation into Trump Org

NY State investigation into Trump and his fraudulent practices.

So either the FBI is the greatest organization in the history of Law Enforcement at framing someone while simultaneously being the worst in history at closing the deal or......

Trump is a criminal.

(Hint: It's the second one)

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You always end up scraping the barrel

Not me, you guys, this is the reason why Trump is in this mess because you guys are doing exactly that scraping at the bottom of the barrel and it’s embarrassing

to find a trap door out. But I suppose you did post that Trump wouldn't win back in 2016.

What?

But Trump wasn't a democrat when he got elected unless he was really uncover and he wasn't a democrat when he appointed the FBI chief.

I still don’t look at Trump as a traditional conservative, so there goes your answer guy.

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Not me, you guys, this is the reason why Trump is in this mess because you guys are doing exactly that scraping at the bottom of the barrel and it’s embarrassing

Bass is equating every member of Trump's inner circle being either a convicted felon, on trial for their crimes, under investigation for crimes, or testifying against Trump and/or his people/company about crimes they have committed, to democrats being embarrassing.

It's a very interesting and intellectual argument he is making.

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This one (Unauthorized Docs at Mara-lardo)

1/6 General Grand Jury

False Electors Grand Jury

GA Election Special Grand Jury

NYC Civil Fraud investigation into Trump Org

NY State investigation into Trump and his fraudulent practices. 

Seems like all of them are failing so far. We are now going into our 8th year.

So either the FBI is the greatest organization in the history of Law Enforcement

Definitely not! Or I should say the leadership isn’t.

at framing someone

There you go

Trump is a criminal.

You can’t be a criminal if you weren’t tried and convicted on anything. There are a lot of Democrats and former presidents on the Democrat side that I think are criminals, but none of them were convicted of any crimes, so I’ll just say for my own personal opinion.

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You can’t be a criminal if you weren’t tried and convicted on anything.

Pinning this one as it is just foolish (even by your standards) to state this before the end.

So one would assume that not being a hypocrite, you will admit he is a criminal if (when) he is indicted, tried and convicted?

Because the odds of indictment in at least 3 of these cases is running well North of 90%.

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before the end.

its never "the end"- they just start another one.

Always have to have something open and active at all costs.

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No wonder lawyers do not want to work for Trump. He's scraping the barrel to find a legal team.

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its never "the end"- they just start another one.

But Trump is a genius, so why is this a problem?

I mean personally, I think a competent person wouldn't be bogged down defending every action he's taken in life, because they'd be smart enough not to get caught, but you seem to think that this is part of his master plan. How does being bogged down by criminal trials fit into his master plan? Or do you agree with me that he screwed up and is just incompetent?

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possible crimes might be found is enough to start an investigation?

I'm curious how you think this is different from any criminal investigation ever in the history of law?

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by the fact that I can name 10 people who were not investigated at all despite is being possible that there might be a crime? thats not the standard, obviously.

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I was watching one of the Fake MSM news shows the other night and they had a psychiatrist specializing in cults on.

The anchor was asking why Trump's cult (my words) was so loyal to him in spite of all the evidence of his failure , criminality and immoral and un-American behavior. The answer was pretty telling.

(Paraphrasing but the essence is correct) In order for them to leave Trump, they have to realize that not only is he wrong/immoral/authoritarian, etc. They ALSO have to admit to themselves that they were wrong about him and that their opponents were right.

I thought "Golly, I know of people like that on a local chat room!"

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The anchor was asking why Trump's cult (my words) was so loyal to him in spite of all the evidence of his failure , criminality and immoral and un-American behavior. The answer was pretty telling.

(Paraphrasing but the essence is correct) In order for them to leave Trump, they have to realize that not only is he wrong/immoral/authoritarian, etc. They ALSO have to admit to themselves that they were wrong about him and that their opponents were right.

I thought "Golly, I know of people like that on a local chat room!"

Me pointing out how stupid they have been, can't make that admission any easier. It must hurt to admit that my looking down on them as being lesser human beings, and pointing it out very vocally, was actually justified from the start.

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