Melania Trump's parents get U.S. citizenship under program slammed by Trump

Oh, the irony...

What Trump meant by his opposition to “chain migration” is opposition to people from “s#l$-hole” countries getting in.

Spin this hypocrisy, Trumpsters.

So chain migration is okay if you're Viktor and Amalija Knavs and your daughter is Melania Trump. But if you came across the southern border, no matter how legally . . . .

The hypocrisy is sickening.

The president should be true to his beliefs and have them thrown out of the country immediately.

You couldn't script this farce. Every day brings a new low.

"CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil."

I'd never read that one before. The last part is just hilarious. "Truly evil..." what's going on in his decaying brain here? Has he got this idea they're bringing over vampire great-grandparents in their coffins or something?

the media once again, desperately digging through the trash to find something, anything on Trump and they failed once again.

So do you deny the factual reporting that they were granted US citizenship? That is the sole focus of the article.

Come on Bass, you can't defend the indefensible. Total hypocrisy from this moron.

The funny thing is to many Republicans this isn't considered hypocrisy. Many of them don't see hypocrisy. The Republicon mantra "ala Ayn Rand" is that anything is ok as long as it helps me personally. Gerrymandering, suppressing votes, loosing ballots, lying, insider trading, tax evasion and colluding is all good because I'm winning.

OK. Now that that is done (citizenship for the privileged) ,

Don can put his signature on a piece of paper and close the door to others.

Maybe not that simple.

Do as I say but not as I do.

America could use more white people. 

You, son, have a future i)n Republican politics.

Considering my and my ancestry's history with migration (Catherine the Great welcomed us to Ukraine, but that lasted only a bit over a hundred years), I have nothing to say but "Congratulations!" to the couple - and hope that GOPers can put aside their racism.

Trump should be stripped of his citizenship and deported to a planet where his new Space Force can take him!

No spin, just the media once again, desperately digging through the trash to find something

Not much digging required here.

" . . . we want to get rid of chain migration, and we've wanted to do that for a long time."

Donald Trump

Nov. 1, 2017

A fine example of hypocrisy.

Trump fans will bend over and take it. They were born to.

Trump is an assclown. You really can't bring a better example of more than him. How embarrassing for decent Americans everywhere!

Trump fans will bend over and take it. They were born to.

Quote: Bass4funk 'But at least we don't break or flinch,...'

I'm sorry Bass, but that is hilarious! Trump has turned the Trumpettes in circles so many times you were bound to get vertigo sooner or later, hahaha. Keep bending over and taking it America!

OMaGa!!

He's just trolling us now.

You can't make this stuff up. Truth truly is stranger than fiction. If one created this plat in a novel, no one would believe it.

Some people here don't seem to understand the definition of hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with rights or laws. Hypocrisy is, say, condemning extra-marital affairs while at the same time cheating on your wife, or saying chain migration is evil while using it to get your in-laws citizenship. That is hypocrisy. For the few here doing verbal gymnastics trying to deny the obvious, it's the condemnation and subsequent use of chain migration that makes Trump a hypocrite. It's pretty easy to follow.

But at least we don't break or flinch

I’ve got to admire certain Trump supporters for doing screaming 180s without flinching. The ability to turn 180 on the spot whenever Trump misspeaks and then spin back when he corrects himself is quite a gift.

When you are that flexible, it’s pretty hard to break you. It’s like watching an octopus squeeze itself through a narrow opening. Having no spine can have benefits.

So what’s your take on chain migration at 10:05 on the 10th of August?

Go on and on about chain migration, then give Trump a free pass for his family. Completely reverse your position that you foguht so hard for and watch your credibility implode.

Embrace the humiliation, Trump fans. You've earned it

So the Orange One spews forth in November:

"CHAIN MIGRATION must end now! Some people come in, and they bring their whole family with them, who can be truly evil. NOT ACCEPTABLE!"

And now his parents-in-law have used that same system to become Americans... anyone see anything wrong with this picture? Is it okay if it's people he knows?

Man's a complete arse.

Melania Trump’s parents aren’t blowing up or killing US citizens.

So chain migration is okay for certain groups of people? Which groups?

I’m just curious as to what the Trump supporter stance on chain migration is at 10:13 on the 10th of August.

Melania "missed" the ceremony. It doesn't require a high I.Q. to figure out why, and why her worse half isn't tweeting, but hiding out in Bedminster while sending forth Pence to distract the nation with his proclamation of a "Space Force" armed with a risible script that sounds like a first draft of a cheesy B-grade SF movie that's going straight to video. You couldn't make this stuff up!

Hey Trump followers, this means there will be more green cards. Illegals will argue this famous case in court and the judge will grant lots and lots of new green cards under Trump's watch.

One confusing episode in the story of spinning around was Trump’s recent visit to the UK. Trump gave a interview to a trash tabloid where he trashed the British PM. Trump supporters defended him for ‘telling it like it is’ but he later denied trashing May in a press conference ( dismissing it as “fake news” ), despite the fact the trashing is recorded and accessible to anyone with an internet connection.

After you spin to the position of supporting ‘telling it like it is’ but then Trump denies ‘telling it like it is’, what do you do?

Tough work defending Trump.

Trump and his administration are a never-ending disaster. Why don't the American people get rid of them??

@bass

But at least we don't break or flinch, the Democrats on the other hand, whine and scream, something that they are accustomed to, it's in their nature

So you see being stubborn, uncompromising and unable to see past your own ideals as being a virtue?

Melania came here as an illegal immigrant, went to 'work' doing porno shots - some of it BDSM. Yeah, what an example of 'success' and being a 'First Lady' - NOT!!! Then the obnoxious incestuous bully she's married rants about 'chain migration' and 'illegal immigration'. I guess that's ALRIGHT if they're from European countries and not 'sh*thole' countries, huh? If they come south of the Rio Grande then I guess it's alright to kidnap their children, place them in concentration camps and maybe some of them will 'disappear'. Well, they ain't white so they're subhuman in Spankee Boy Don's eyes.

I'm so sick of this hypocrisy I could PUKE!  

Why must the left use race for every single argument they lose.

I suggest you read the silly comment from stocktrader near the start of this thread.

Anyway, this isn't about race, this debate. It's about the rampant hypocrisy on the part of Trump - berating immigrants, chain migration etc and then this happens.

It's the self-serving elite, at it again.

I'd swear, if the GOP put up a turnip as candidate, they'd get in, such is the willingness of their voters to lower the bar.

So what do Trump supporters think about chain migration at 1:28 am on the 11th of August?

Part and parcel of the hypocrisy of the farcical Donald J. Trump ... or is it John Barron, or David Dennison, or John Miller or whichever alias he is using this week.

Classic win-win situation. The average IQs of Europe and the USA both rise a little....

Bass:. But at least we don't break

I believe ending chain migration is on your list of demands, right? So you can either stand up for yourself and your beliefs, or you can bend over for Trump. I can hear Trump snapping so go ahead and assume the position.

Now that that's settled, what's your opinion of liberals?

Which tough-talking conservative was saying, "actions speak louder than words"?

Manufacture in America! Don’t hire illegals! End chain migration!

(unless you’re Trump)

Most of Antifa are White as well and even more violent? Ho many people were hurt last week from these thugs?

Why do you never address the issue in the statement made? Instead you fall back on what about the other side, strawmen, etc?

I hear the left all the time saying the same about Antifa, so what’s the difference?

The poster was talking about Trump's statement. Why on earth can't you address what Trump said?

Be honest - Trump's racism is well documented and extensively reported on, myself and other posters have posted hundreds of links over the last couple of years on his racism.

Trump is a racist and you support him. He's showing preferential treatment to rich, Slovenians and you're absolutely fine with it.

Poor people get separated and departed, rich people get reunited and citizenship.

This is America.

Welcome, Knavs! The more of us the merrier!

The loudest people are either immigrants or Europeans and all the crooked politicians. But actual everyday Americans have no right to voice their opinion lest they be scolded on how their ancestors washed up on American shores in a sob story. Basically, Americans have no right to feel a sense of country--because America is the dominant country, the rest of the world takes it for granted ( they take it for an inalienable right) that America is a free-for-all. 

America was founded by immigrants, so you'd expect some sort of recognition of that fact. Alas no, some quarters look down on them like they're dirt... unless they have MONEY £(ker-ching!)$... money, that key to a back door, a free pass, an express line to much backslapping and quaffing copious amounts of good cheer.

The rest of the world does not look to America as a place where you can get what you want at the expense of the American population - we couldn't give a stuff. Poor people flock to America because of the claim that anyone can make it there (whatever 'it' is)... so you only have yourselves to blame.

There's nothing in America we want, to be honest.

Toasted HereticToday 03:09 pm JST

"So once again, where is the proof?"

This is so disingenuous. Every link posted on his racist utterances, behaviour and speeches has been roundly ignored or dismissed by you.

If you're going to disregard the proof, there's not much point in putting the links up again and again.

There's not much point in discussing anything with certain posters full stop. They're clearly not interested in discussions, as they involve understanding and responding to others' points of view rather than merely parroting their own.

bass4funkAug. 10 09:38 pm JST

"Trump fans will bend over and take it. They were born to."

But at least we don't break or flinch...

So just to be completely clear for the benefit of holier-than-thou types looking for any excuse for a bit of virtue signalling, that isn't actually a denial, is it. See how easily very poor writing can be misconstrued?

Toasted HereticToday 11:31 am JST

"Most of Antifa are White as well and even more violent? Ho many people were hurt last week from these thugs?"

Why do you never address the issue in the statement made?

Because sometimes it would mean conceding the argument? Better to write meandering, irrelevant nonsense than to do something like that.

Anyway, I'm not sure I think Trump's necessarily being a hypocrite here, we don't know what his views are on this particular case but I imagine they would make an amusing read. It's also quite amusing really that this is another case of Trump stating his views only to have his wife undermine them, like when she praised LeBron James or when she let it be known she watches whichever channels she likes.

So what do liberals think about all the crimes committed and taxpayer money used to support illegal immigrants?

probably the same as the millions of American citizens incarcerated in American prisons every year estimated to cost over $180 billion annually, thats a lot of border walls right there. America has the highest incarceration rate by far of any democratic country on earth. Americas crime problem isnt from Mexicans its from its own people.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/money.html

 So quit crying whiners

No one is complaining about the chain immigration itself, it's about the hypocrisy of the right wing that's the problem. Melania's parents got US citizenship under the same program that the right wing hates and wants to abolish, yet you don't see them complaining. While at the same time, the same people support targeting some existing US citizens to have their legal status revoked. There's clearly a racial bias here.

No, hypocrisy would be if President Trump got his citizenship using a program he spoke out against. This isn't that.

The real hypocrisy with President Trump and immigration was using his influence to get his "girlfriend" into the USA under that special skills visa program, because he wanted to get laid.

People change their minds about stuff all the time and things are different a few years down the road with a little more experience.

If you have an opinion about immigration in America, fax your representatives with a short, concise, handwritten, note. There are lots of examples online.

So once again, where is the proof?

This is so disingenuous. Every link posted on his racist utterances, behaviour and speeches has been roundly ignored or dismissed by you.

If you're going to disregard the proof, there's not much point in putting the links up again and again.

Having Carson, Omarosa and Jared are clear indications that he’s not.

That means nothing. Racists don't operate within a logical space. They may employ Muslims but no Jews, or vice versa. They may employ people of color but denigrate them at the same time. They may march on Charlottesville chanting anti-semitic slurs whilst supporting zionism. There is no logic to racism.

They may also claim how much they love women and at the same time sexually assault or beat them.

You couldn't script this farce. Every day brings a new low.

its fine, the economy, the unemployment, Obama would be worse, Hillary and those emails repeat again come next scandal.

First of all, you play the cards you are dealt. For example, some years ago a journalist who advocated gun control shot an intruder in his house. He believed that all guns should be banned, but if they were not banned then self-defense with a gun was appropriate. People who want to privatize Social Security still accept it, because they paid for it. This happens all the time on different things. If you want changes, you still deal with the laws as they are written. Melania Trump and her parents played the cards they were dealt.

Trump always starts with an extreme position is negotiation, then backs off. He says he wants to end chain migration, but does he really oppose reunion of spouses and children? Nah. How about parents or grandparents? Trump recently hinted that a compromise that went as far as grandparents would be acceptable. But not brothers and sisters and their children.

It might be better if he just started with a reasonable position and stuck with it, but Trump's theory is that a negotiation only succeeds if your opponents believe you have made a major concession. Trump started by advocating a 15% corporate tax rate, moved to saying that 20% was an absolute hard-line maximum, and ultimately signed off at 22%. It's how Trump works.

Let's check in with the tough talking Trump fans who are vehemently against chain migration:

Serrano: Some of them, like me, acknowledge that is was done properly.

All the forms were filled out properly!

Blacklabel: Melania Trump’s parents aren’t blowing up or killing US citizens.

No murders by her parents!

bass: the Democrats on the other hand

White flag!

This thread is mostly dead now. You guys can come out and stand up for yourself again. Must have sore backs by now.

SuperLibAug. 12  01:44 am JST

"Blacklabel: Melania Trump’s parents aren’t blowing up or killing US citizens."

No murders by her parents!

How can that be, when the President says immigrants are exploiting this system to bring over their truly evil relatives? Maybe there's even more evil stuff they're getting up to. Pagan limbo dancing or something.

Ray PayneToday 09:30 pm JST

This is nothing new, Trump haters will continue to do so.

Why not, when there's so little to like?

*Why do you never address the issue in the statement made? Instead you fall back on what about the other side, strawmen, etc?*

It was a very simple question, it’s a “yes or no.”

Be honest - Trump's racism is well documented and extensively reported on, myself and other posters have posted hundreds of links over the last couple of years on his racism.

So once again, where is the proof? Having Carson, Omarosa and Jared are clear indications that he’s not.

Trump is a racist and you support him.

No, he’s not a racist, I don’t like racists and that’s why I don’t like people like Waters, Sharpton, Don Lemon or Rosie O’Donnell. I’ve interviewed racists before, groups from the Aryan Nation and they make it abundantly clear in their talk and actions they don’t want to be around or have any interactions with non-whites unless it’s absoutly necessary.

He's showing preferential treatment to rich, Slovenians and you're absolutely fine with it.

I never said that, I just said, this was in a process for a long time, not just now and I suspect during it, he decided the law has to change. That’s what I think, if you don’t then we just have a difference of opinion.

The naturalization is legal, as many others, therefore there should be nothing more to say.

Her family meet the current and the proposed revisions — Immediate family members, father, mother, brother, sister. The rest of her family members would be required to apply for citizenship under existing laws by filing a NIS form N-400 and being processed in the Immigration system.

A poster said, "myself and other posters have posted hundreds of links over the last couple of years on his racism."

This is nothing new, Trump haters will continue to do so.

Aren't all politicians hypocrites?

You haven't been paying attention. The sources are all out there.

If our definition of porn is a bare breast in a perfume ad, and your definition of BDSM a suggestive pose in said ad, then all models engage in BDSM porn shoots. Why don't you take your puritanism to the fashion industry if this stuff bothers you that much? You have a sick mind.

Parents have been in process for several years now on getting their citizenship. The congress has had its chance to fix the immigration policy but have done nothing about it. So what if the president's wife's parents took advantage of it. They are not the only ones still taking advantage of this either, thousands do this every year. There are also other government officials doing the same as the first lady's parents, so until the Congress gets off their butts and actually fixes the policy. This will continue to happen long after the Trumps have left offices. So quit crying whiners.

So just to be completely clear for the benefit of holier-than-thou types looking for any excuse for a bit of virtue signalling, that isn't actually a denial, is it. See how easily very poor writing can be misconstrued?

Well, then please tell the liberals that much needed message.

Because sometimes it would mean conceding the argument? Better to write meandering, irrelevant nonsense than to do something like that.

Hmmm...still won’t answer the question? I am beginning to think the left can’t, because their hypocrisy would hit them like a 10 ton truck.

Anyway, I'm not sure I think Trump's necessarily being a hypocrite here, we don't know what his views are on this particular case but I imagine they would make an amusing read. It's also quite amusing really that this is another case of Trump stating his views only to have his wife undermine them, like when she praised LeBron James or when she let it be known she watches whichever channels she likes.

Is that bad or is the left trying to find something bad in that?

There's not much point in discussing anything with certain posters full stop.

Because we don’t drink the liberal hypocrisy kool aid? Sorry.

They're clearly not interested in discussions, as they involve understanding and responding to others' points of view rather than merely parroting their own.

No, we are always interested in discussions, we just don’t like bloviating or drinking the kool aid and the left are experts at it, they like to point out the failures and flaws on the right, but fail to acknowledge the very flaws they are accusing the right of, but don’t worry, we’ll take care of that.

That means nothing. Racists don't operate within a logical space. 

Those inscrutable racists. Amazing that the magic key to identifying these well-hidden creatures is only accessible by those with left-leaning politics. Maybe you should publish a field guide someday, showing us your methodology. Otherwise, some people might suspect you just make it up as you go along.

THEY ARE LIFETIME'S TARGET BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUMP'S FAMILY

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This is important to realize this is for their long term security too.

Living outside USA and without the citizenship is actually very dangerous when you are the US president's family.

Terrorist will go after them because they can't get their hand on Trump. So, for me, this is a Ok way.

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NCM

@starpunk Nothing you said in your comment was true, and would be considered libel in many countries.

This is so disingenuous. Every link posted on his racist utterances, behaviour and speeches has been roundly ignored or dismissed by you. 

For example? By the way, if he said something that was inherently racist, I would call him out, but I’m still trying to see where or what.

If you're going to disregard the proof, there's not much point in putting the links up again and again.

No, please be specific, because the left pretty much ONLY use race to advance a political agenda or to tear down th opposition because it’s the only ace they have that works to a certain degree.

That means nothing. Racists don't operate within a logical space.

That’s why I would never vote Democrat.

They may employ Muslims but no Jews, or vice versa. They may employ people of color but denigrate them at the same time. They may march on Charlottesville chanting anti-semitic slurs whilst supporting zionism. There is no logic to racism.

So why then do liberals feel the need to use it always? I really don’t understand it.

They may also claim how much they love women and at the same time sexually assault or beat them.

Uh, so your is exactly what?

"So what do Trump supporters think about chain migration at 1:28 am on the 11th of August?"

Some of them, like me, acknowledge that is was done properly.

So what do liberals think about all the crimes committed and taxpayer money used to support illegal immigrants?

Yeah, the U.S. already has enough prisoners, we don't need any more coming in illegally.

They can support themselves, they are law abiding, and they want to be near their grandkids. Slovenia is a far nicer place to live than the US, so they are sacrificing a lot for their family.

Hypocrisy is, say, condemning extra-marital affairs while at the same time cheating on your wife, or saying chain migration is evil while using it to get your in-laws citizenship.

I actually agree with both of your examples, but only because you've misrepresented Trump's words in the second.

He doesn't appear to have ever said that the system itself was evil, only that the system allows some to bring in people who are 'truly evil'. Presumably he believes his own in-laws fall into the majority who are not 'truly evil'.

So chain migration is okay for certain groups of people? Which groups?

That's a very difficult and controversial question in my opinion. In Britain, chain migration was being used in conjunction with arranged marriages to facilitate human trafficking until the government decided to clamp down on it. Unfortunately, they had to clamp down in a non-discriminatory manner so rather than outlawing certain types of marriages or applying special conditions to countries with particular cultural practices, they decided that the most neutral approach would be to apply high sponsorship income limits to everyone across the board. I know many Brits in Japan who are stuck here because they wouldn't meet the minimum income threshold to bring their spouse.

On the broader question, I think extended family reunification programs are hard to justify in the 21st century. They were originally a humanitarian gesture at a time when air travel was mostly for the wealthy, international telephone calls were prohibitively expensive, sending money was difficult and in some cases illegal, and the only way to contact cousin Vinnie in the old country was to write a letter and hope it got there. If you were a low wage immigrant coming to North America in the 1960 or 70s, there was a very good chance that you would never see your parents or many relatives alive again.

Fast forward to today and many of these humanitarian issues are not as pressing. We have cheap flights, video chats on your phone, free instant messaging apps. You are basically carrying cousin Vinnie around in your pocket all day long. I'm actually far more connected with relatives half way around the world than I am with my own nieces and nephews who live in the same city.

He didn't make the rules. If they play by the correct laws, fine.

I don't fault anyone for taking advantage of an existing, legal, citizenship or immigration program.

That doesn't mean the program/laws shouldn't be changed.

After all, over 701K "visitors" to the USA last year decided to overstay their visas.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/08/07/dhs-releases-fiscal-year-2017-entryexit-overstay-report

I also take every available deduction on my taxes. Don't you? I didn't make the rules, but I will play by them.

People on the right sometimes denounce those who advocate for higher taxes as hypocrites because they still take all of the current deductions and tax breaks available to them and don't voluntarily donate extra money to the government. This is clearly not hypocrisy and it's a silly charge to make. You can advocate for a change in the law while still exercising your rights under the current law. The idea that Trump is being a hypocrite here strikes me as equally wrong.

I think it's ironic, but it doesn't meet the definition of hypocrisy. If Trump had urged people to refrain from exercising their rights under the law, then he would be a hypocrite, but that's not what he's said.

By way of another example, there was a story in the news today about the discovery of an obscure law in Australia where citizens are entitled to ask the government to send them a free portrait of the Queen. Hundreds of people have now applied. I think this law is ridiculous and should be changed asap, but I would absolutely apply for a free portrait if I were in Australia. Am I a hypocrite? I don't see how. This is basically Trump's stand on chain migration.

Melania Trump’s parents aren’t blowing up or killing US citizens.

"I'd never read that one before. The last part is just hilarious. "Truly evil..." what's going on in his decaying brain here?"

Apparently you missed the next paragraph, Simon:

"He frequently cites the example of Sayfullo Saipov, a naturalized immigrant from Uzbekistan who drove a rented truck down a busy bike path in New York in October, killing eight people and injuring 12, to illustrate why the family reunification program must be ended."

I approve of the way the First Lady's parents obtained citizenship and disagree with Trump on this one. The Wall still needs to be built in order to prevent families from being separated at the southern border and prevent people who have not followed the proper procedures from entering.

Trump fans will bend over and take it. They were born to.

But at least we don't break or flinch, the Democrats on the other hand, whine and scream, something that they are accustomed to, it's in their nature.

What Trump meant by his opposition to “chain migration” is opposition to people from “s#l$-hole” countries getting in.

Spin this hypocrisy, Trumpsters.

So let me guess, the process took a few years before Trump became President and during that time, he felt that the law should change and should be merit based. No spin, just the media once again, desperately digging through the trash to find something, anything on Trump and they failed once again.

So what. They got money and won't take welfare. Besides, America could use more white people. Maybe America should take white South African refugees whose government just legislated that the government can take their land without compensation.