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Brutal video to watch. The man is in custody and gets beaten to death.

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Don’t listen to the morons who say it was Nichols’ fault for running. There is absolutely no way to justify what happened, none at all.

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Just amazing that in the US a routine traffic pull over can lead to your death.

Another first for the US.

No where else in the world has that problem.

Coupled with a high chance of getting shot in school.

Leading the world, this land of the free.

You must be proud.

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Don’t listen to the morons who say it was Nichols’ fault for running.

No, that’s an excuse. Two separate issues, you don’t run away from a cop, not unless you want to escalate the situation. 99% of the time it never ends well for the suspect.

There is absolutely no way to justify what happened, none at all.

Of course not, absolutely not, and that’s why even more so why you should never run.

Just amazing that in the US a routine traffic pull over can lead to your death.

I have been pulled over dozens of time, I know way to many people that have gotten pulled over, I don’t know a single person that was killed, not one. As bad as it is overwhelming the cops don’t do what these officers did. They just don’t.

Another first for the US.

No country is perfect. Not a single one, and it’s the individuals that did this act, not the nation.

No where else in the world has that problem.

Don’t even go there. You can choose any country and they all have their own problems on some level.

Coupled with a high chance of getting shot in school.

This is why I would never send my kids to a public school, but it is a problem in particular selected areas for certain

Leading the world, this land of the free.

You must be proud.

Overall yes and in the end, without a doubt.

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The police unit has been disbanded. So many cops for one man. Delayed medical treatment. Police brutality must be stamped out. Too many traffic pullovers for no real reason except for a stop and search. Waste of police time. Victim blaming.

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If we stop feeding it, it will go away.

Nichols calmly says, “OK, I’m on the ground."

Actually, he was not lying on the ground when he said this.

If he had complied at this point, it wouldn't have gone further.

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Distrust of police: Black parents, children have ‘the talk’

“It didn’t seem like they were trying to arrest him,” Bowens added. “It seemed like they were trying to hurt him. It was terrifying. I was in tears.”

Nichols, a 29-year-old father, was on his way home from taking pictures of the sky on Jan. 7 when police pulled him over. He was just a few minutes from the home he shared with his mother and stepfather when he was brutally attacked.

https://apnews.com/article/memphis-detroit-law-enforcement-94d651117990d6b5850dbb4e902020ab

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wallaceToday  11:32 am JST

Distrust of police: Black parents, children have ‘the talk’

It's time to have the talk--the police who beat Nichols were all black.

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RKL

Nichols calmly says, “OK, I’m on the ground."

Actually, he was not lying on the ground when he said this.

He was on the ground. So he was telling the truth.

If he had complied at this point, it wouldn't have gone further.

There were more than one officer yelling conflicting commands, against standard police training.

He was calmer than the officers.

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This is more like a Black on Black crime so there will not be a repeat of the hysteria that was manufactured a few months before the 2020 elections.

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Distrust of police: Black parents, children have ‘the talk’

“It didn’t seem like they were trying to arrest him,” Bowens added. “It seemed like they were trying to hurt him. It was terrifying. I was in tears.”

Nichols, a 29-year-old father, was on his way home from taking pictures of the sky on Jan. 7 when police pulled him over. He was just a few minutes from the home he shared with his mother and stepfather when he was brutally attacked.

So what do you think in the long term should happen? Should cops from now own just allow criminals to do what they want? Should they enforce the law? What should they do? I really would like to know. Whether you trust a cop or not has nothing to do with following the law. So I would like to know your opinion on this.

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The attempts to justify this kind of police behavior or transfer responsibility onto the deceased are beyond moronic.

There is no police department anywhere in the United States where this use of force is authorized. Nowhere.

These guys are going to prison where they belong for a long time.

And there are any number of paramedics and other police on scene who had a duty to intervene but who stood and watched 5 large men beat one small man to death under color of law. They are facing criminal liability as well and for good reason.

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2020hindsightsToday  12:26 pm JST

RKL

Nichols calmly says, “OK, I’m on the ground."

Actually, he was not lying on the ground when he said this.

He was on the ground. So he was telling the truth.

When the police say to get on the ground it means to lie prone on the ground. Nichols didn't do that.

And everyone in the US knows what is means to be told by the police to get on the ground.

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bass4funk

So what do you think in the long term should happen? Should cops from now own just allow criminals to do what they want?

Who's talking about criminals? Where does that come into this story.

Should they enforce the law? What should they do? I really would like to know.

Yes. They should enforce the law and follow their training, none of which happened here.

Whether you trust a cop or not has nothing to do with following the law. So I would like to know your opinion on this.

The only people not following the law here were the cops.

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Tyre Nichols wasn't a criminal. He was a young man and father going home after taking photos. Why was he even stopped?

Unjustified traffic stops should cease. The black guy driving an expensive car must be a thief yes?

"Tyre Deandre Nichols (June 5, 1993 – January 10, 2023) was a 29-year-old African-American man. He was the father of a son who was four years old when Nichols died. At the time of his death, Nichols worked for FedEx and was an aspiring photographer."

"Police had said that they stopped Nichols for reckless driving, but Memphis Police Chief Cerelyn “C.J.” Davis said early Friday morning an investigation and review of available camera footage found “no proof” of that."

"According to a preliminary independent autopsy commissioned by the family, Nichols suffered "extensive bleeding caused by a severe beating." The 6 foot, 3 inches, man also had Crohn's disease and weighed just 145 pounds, his family and attorneys said."

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The attempts to justify this kind of police behavior or transfer responsibility onto the deceased are beyond moronic.

No one is doing that and I have made that abundantly clear

There is no police department anywhere in the United States where this use of force is authorized. Nowhere. 

BS! The officer has every legal right to use force if either met with force or if there is a danger to the officers life.

These guys are going to prison where they belong for a long time. 

They should! For once we agree on something.

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Police brutality must end even if it needs further training of the officers.

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In the US how many black drivers are stopped by cops?

Black drivers are stopped and searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers.

"Police pull over more than 50,000 drivers on a typical day, more than 20 million motorists every year. Yet the most common police interaction — the traffic stop — has not been tracked, at least not in any systematic way."

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

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CNN with the narrative:

"The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism,"

"black people are not immune" to making anti-black messages.

”It is the race of the victim who is brutalized — not the race of the violent cop — that is most relevant in determining whether racial bias is a factor in police violence,"

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This idiot is in Congress:

"Doesn’t matter what color those police officers are," Frost tweeted. "The murder of Tyre Nichols is anti-Black and the result of white supremacy."

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In the US how many black drivers are stopped by cops?

If you go by the stats

Black drivers are stopped and searched about 1.5 to 2 times as often as white drivers.

Yes, if you go by the police stats

"Police pull over more than 50,000 drivers on a typical day, more than 20 million motorists every year. Yet the most common police interaction — the traffic stop — has not been tracked, at least not in any systematic way."

Yes, if you go by the police stats and facts.

https://comparecamp.com/black-crime-statistics/

Please put the emotions aside, it doesn’t help any debate.

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How many people are killed by American cops?

In 2021, police killed 1,145 people;

1,152 in 2020;

1,097 in 2019;

1,140 in 2018;

and 1,089 in 2017.

‘It never stops’: killings by US police reach record high in 2022

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/06/us-police-killings-record-number-2022

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The stopping and killing of Tyre Nichols was nothing to do with any crime committed by the victim just police brutality.

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All decent Americans want an end to unnecessary traffic stops and to police brutality. They also want meaningful gun laws.

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Around 2.5% of the US black male population was in prison by the end of 2016. 

2,417 per 100,000 US black male residents were incarcerated by the end of 2016. 

There were 467,000 sentenced black male prisoners and 20,400 black female prisoners in the US in 2016. These figures exclude blacks with Hispanic origins and those with sentences that are one year or less. 

In 2015, 59% of black prisoners sentenced to more than a year in prison were detained for a violent crime.  

18-19-year-old black males are 11.8 times more likely to be incarcerated than white males belonging to the same age group. 

Black males 65 years and above are 4.4 times more likely to be incarcerated than white males belonging to the same age group. 

In 2016, 34% of black inmates were doing time for public order offenses. 

While blacks and Hispanics comprise about 32% of the US population, they accounted for 56% of the US prison population in 2015. 

Blacks are five times more likely to be incarcerated than whites. 

If blacks and Hispanics share the same incarceration rate of whites, the prison population will decrease by 40%. 

As of 2001, one in three black males born in the said year would likely face a prison sentence in his lifetime. 

As of 2016, 48.3% of prisoners serving life and virtual life sentences are black. 

The number of whites and blacks charged with prison sentences of over 1 year declined in 2016. 

13% of the inmates belonging to the 18 to 24 age group are black.

The left can argue these facts, they are indisputable and irrefutable, so my question is, what will the black leader ship and leader ship of their communities do or what steps will they take to try and curtail this problem so that we don’t have a situation like this, I want to know, this question has been asked to Lori, Lightfoot, to Eric Adams, to Maxine Waters, Sheila, Jackson, to Al Sharpton, and no one can give a straight answer, but she did have Van Jones on CNN. Try to blame white people for this incident, it’s outrageous.

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The attempts to justify this kind of police behavior or transfer responsibility onto the deceased are beyond moronic.

No one is doing that and I have made that abundantly clear

That is exactly what you are doing and have done in the past. This is merely todays version of making excuses for the side that best fits your narrative the police when it suits you and seditionists when it doesn’t

There is no police department anywhere in the United States where this use of force is authorized. Nowhere. 

BS! The officer has every legal right to use force if either met with force or if there is a danger to the officers life.

THAT is bs. There was absolutely zero threat to the officer’s life. All use of force is proportional to the threat when one where’s the badge. In this case there wasn’t a little threat. There was no threat. Nada, zip, zilch, zero, none.

As such the use of force in this case would not be within procedures at any department in the US. There is no case in which this level of force would be justified under similar circumstances.

To argue otherwise is just dumb.

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All decent Americans want an end to unnecessary traffic stops and to police brutality.

And most Americans also want answers to why the smallest ethnic group has the highest incarceration rates.

They also want meaningful gun laws.

The people also want their city officials to force the gun laws that are already on the books, they also don’t want their police defunded, they do you want the police to take a proactive approach when it comes to stop in crime, you do that and then you will see less gun violence, if you don’t, then you will see more gun violence without a doubt and more carnage.

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These officers have been fired, and now will face the full weight of the judicial system.

The video footage is sickening, The complete loss of control on full display.

Lets not look to politically attempt to tag these acts of sheer brutality.

All will be allowed there day in court.

If convicted they must be made examples of.

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They decreased the educational requirements:

https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/memphis-cops-in-tyre-nichols-murder-hired-after-pd-relaxed-job-standards/

the police chief was previously fired in Atlanta for notching a sexual crimes case.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/memphis-police-chief-cerelyn-davis-fired-from-a-previous-job/amp/

one officer had beaten up a prisoner before.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/28/former-memphis-cop-accused-of-assaulting-inmate-suit/

this is what happens when wokeism, excessive diversity hiring (and forced vaccination) makes qualified people not want to join or stay.

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And most Americans also want answers to why the smallest ethnic group has the highest incarceration rates.

Because when it comes to the American dream, more black families are on the short end of the stick.

The people also want their city officials to force the gun laws that are already on the books,

What about in states like Texas with no or few gun laws? How many kids were slaughtered there last year?

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black Americans as exclusively responsible for the the disproportionate rates of incarceration.

Weren’t each of them found guilty of committing a crime after a trial?

how would they not be responsible for the crimes that led to their arrest that led to a trial conviction that led to their incarceration?

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That is exactly what you are doing and have done in the past.

No, I have always been on point, you guys just want to talk about the former president and nothing else.

This is merely todays version of making excuses for the side that best fits your narrative the police when it suits you and seditionists when it doesn’t 

No, the point is you just not able to answer the questions I asked, and you just respond by empty platitudes reflections, it doesn’t booster argument.

THAT is bs. There was absolutely zero threat to the officer’s life.

My brother is a police officer, he encounters threats, every single day, some of the more serious than others, but they’re out there, to even say, or insinuate that an officers life is never in danger is complete insanity, how many officers were killed last year?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/323-officers-shot-line-duty-2022-police-union/story?id=95657063

All use of force is proportional to the threat when one where’s the badge.

No, you have every right to meet force with the same amount of force that you are getting, if your life is threatened, you have every right to do whatever it takes to safeguard your own life and your fellow officers, you are supposed to de-escalate a situation, at the same time you have the right to not allow yourself to become a target or a punching bag for an unruly suspect.

In this case there wasn’t a little threat. There was no threat. Nada, zip, zilch, zero, none.

I agree.

As such the use of force in this case would not be within procedures at any department in the US. There is no case in which this level of force would be justified under similar circumstances. 

Well, you are right in this particular case, thankfully, this is not a daily and an hourly occurrence, the vast majority of police officers do follow the law, and are committed to upholding the law.

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The released police video is worth a million words when it comes to the court case of the ex-officers involved.

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Because when it comes to the American dream, more black families are on the short end of the stick.

Ok, so because of that, you have the right to rob, steal, loot, attack people, assault people, assault, and attack police officers, because you have the short end of the stick, that’s your justification?

What about in states like Texas with no or few gun laws? How many kids were slaughtered there last year?

Please, no deflections, we’re talking about Black people generally, we’re talking about what are the problems within the black community and why they have such a high incarceration rate, for being less than 13% of the population, what are the reasons, empty reflections, and platitudes about Texas do not help or your already weak argument.

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bass4funkToday  01:44 pm JST

No, I have always been on point, you guys just want to talk about the former president and nothing else.

100% correct.

BlacklabelToday  01:44 pm JST

Weren’t each of them found guilty of committing a crime after a trial? 

how would they not be responsible for the crimes that led to their arrest that led to a trial conviction that led to their incarceration?

Some CNN guy Vance Jones or what not was calling this a racist attack.

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Ok, so because of that, you have the right to rob, steal, loot, attack people, assault people, assault, and attack police officers, because you have the short end of the stick, that’s your justification?

What wasn't your original question?

We are talking about police brutality which is why the victim was killed. Please stop the drivel, it does not advance the discussions.

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Some CNN guy Vance Jones or what not was calling this a racist attack.

city mayor, chief of police, police supervisor, all 5 officers involved- Black.

Van Jones- Black (with white wife and white baby mama too).

I can just feeeel the racism. /s

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bas4funk

No, it does because you told us how black parents need to have “the talk” so why is that?

You seem to be mistaken. I didn't even say any of that, but to be clear and FYI I posted a link to an interesting article about the death of Tyre Nichols. Guess, as usual, you didn't even bother to read it before posting your responses?

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You seem to be mistaken. I didn't even say any of that,

The link.

Guess, as usual, you didn't even bother to read it before posting your responses?

So how do you think the leaders in these communities should address these disparities? How can they bring these crime rates down, what should they do and do you think we need to increase recruitment and put as many cops as we can? What incentives should they be given to hire more law enforcement? What should the policing policies be?

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Reasonable force or police brutality?

was unnecessarily brutal. they seemed overly angry that he ran from them and wouldnt obey their commands.

So preventable police brutality (preventable by the victim first- dont run/ then preventable by the officers after that).

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fatrainfallingintheforestToday  02:08 pm JST

Blacklabel,

What do you think of the officers' actions in this event? Reasonable force or police brutality?

Some of both.

And because of restrictive policies that prevent the police from using certain techniques to restrain someone the brutality was exacerbated when Nichols was able to flee because of the prohibition of the police to be able to use those techniques.

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