#MeToo movement starting to show generational divides

"Women historically felt they would immediately lose their job if they came forward with sexual harassment complaints," Katz said. "Among the younger generation, people are not suffering in silence... The advice they're getting now is to come forward and report it."

Instead of waiting a couple decades, they're speaking up right away, so there's no question of why they waited

Personally, I hope my daughter doesn’t have to grow up in a world filled with misogynists. I hope they hurry up and crawl back under their rocks.

A lot of guys just won't bother. See the rise of MGTOW. Sad that a movement like that exists but totally unsurprising. Marriage these days, at least in the West, holds very little allure for men and increasingly they are becoming aware of that as horror stories from their friends, fathers and the internet continue to mount up. Once upon a time, you could get divorced at 30 or 40 and climb back up, but with the cost of housing and the cost of living generally, divorce leads to the financial ruin of many. They never recover from it.

I think marriage rates are going to decline significantly.

Men will have to make a decision. Do you want children or not? Its rapidly becoming the only reason to get married. Its meant to provide a more stable background in which to raise children, but you wouldn't say its totally necessary either. Think seriously about marriage, if its worth it, if you're doing it for the right reasons. Leave it until your 30 or 40 to settle down. You should have a good idea by then if you want children or not.

Men should spend more time working on their education, careers, hobbies, finances and health, at least until there 30. They should travel abroad. The pursuit of women should be a secondary rather than a primary driver of what you do with your time. If you get lucky, use protection. Don't get caught with your pants down. You are going to have a massive problem if you do. Hollywood ain't real life. In real life we have things could family courts and we have women accusing mean of sexual assault for what once seen as "courting" in some instances. You need to be more cautious than ever.

Feel free to toss all this advice out the window if your absolutely convinced you've found "the one", "your soulmate". I just don't think many men are that lucky.

Guess I should add that I'm one of the lucky ones. I found "the one", but it takes a reasonable amount of experience to be able to tell the difference between infatuation and what is truly special. That's why I say leave until your 30 or 40 to make that decision. IMO.

I blogged about feminism and how it is killing romance and going to get women killed

Love Out The Window - Welcome To The Hookup Culture!

https://aussiesamurai1971.blogspot.jp/2017/11/love-out-window-welcome-to-hookup.html

Women going to die because feminism is going too far.

https://aussiesamurai1971.blogspot.jp/2017/12/women-going-to-die-because-feminism-is.html

@Bububu4 more misandrists females on the planet then misogynists males. I am teaching my son to reject any misandrists females, they are not worth spending a single Yen on.

I've heard stats that younger women are less happy than the older generation, a lot of it due to this equality. Although good in theory, now they're starting to get all of the social and career responsibilities that men have typically done, and starting to realize that it's a tough world out there. The traditional way of courtship is also eroding, and all we're getting now are a large number of single women who are unable to find a guy who lives up to their unrealistic standards (and those kinds of guys aren't interested in her), so they become bitter and just come up with reasons and petty complaints about the guys not being "good enough" while missing the bigger picture.

I wonder if the future generations will embrace feminity as a backlash to what's going on. Sure, things may be moving towards equality, but it's a case of be careful what you wish for...

Good to hear! Almost everything about traditional romance and relationships are an abomination and grossly unnatural. Let everyone go their own way and do what they want rather than crusty, for-profit bureaucrats and religious leaders telling people how to interact with other people

Personally, I hope my daughter doesn’t have to grow up in a world filled with misogynists. I hope they hurry up and crawl back under their rocks.

This is all stupid, male misogyny will never go away and the more these women go after these men legit or not or because they have an axe to grind, you will see a lot of powerful men in powerful positions just not hire women out of fear of being sued, humiliated, slandered or extorted. I just see a huge backlash coming from all of this.

Millennial women "think that men should be more in tune with the way a woman says things," said Nicole Slaughter, 31, a freelance journalist.

It is mans nature to want to “hook up” with women and feminists have taught young women that hooking up is okay for them also. In the Ansari situation, Grace accepted his invitation and went up to his place. A woman would have to be a fool, or a feminist, not to know that she is signaling at least a willingness to engage in some sort of sexual activity. When he didn’t perform up to her standards she called him out for sexual assault. She never said no and didn’t get up and leave when things didn’t click for her. If he somehow had better chemistry with her and was suave she probably would have been thrilled. If adult women are unwilling to take responsibility for themselves by refraining from getting into unwanted situations then that’s on them.

There is a generational divide between older and younger feminists. Older women like Catherine Deneuve have a better understanding of men than the ideological and unrealistic Millennial women. Younger feminists equate any minor male infraction to sexual assault or misogyny. Unfortunately for these misled ladies, men will never be able to read their minds.

Madden: I wonder if the future generations will embrace feminity as a backlash to what's going on. Sure, things may be moving towards equality, but it's a case of be careful what you wish for...

I seriously doubt it. Modern human beings tend to look to the unattainable ideal instead of working within the confines of our nature. There can be no such thing as equality in the manner in which feminists define the word.

MGTOW is growing in many western countries (and Japan) and people shouldn't be surprised. If I had my time again, I'd be seriously tempted to totally forgo dating and marriage - I wasted so many years of my precious youth worrying about what women thought about me and trying to be a "nice guy" to win their approval. I was a complete fool, looking back.

I think marriage rates are going to decline significantly.

They are declining significantly now in many countries. As for marriage being only necessary only to have children, the stigma attached to having kids out of wedlock will only continue to evaporate in open-minded societies.

I’m not sure the core reason for this is feminism. I only bothered getting married so my partner could move abroad with me more easily. We were quite happy living together.

The problem for me is that every sign in the picture above is about a different issue. The messaging on these marches are just nonsensical.

You shouldn’t straight out sexually harass a stranger or workmate. You have to get to know them, find common interests and develop some chemistry. After a while go dating, and if things are right for both on an equal scale, go to the next level.

”I am your boss, if you want to move up in your career...or touching school girls on trains”...prison.

They are declining significantly now in many countries. As for marriage being only necessary only to have children, the stigma attached to having kids out of wedlock will only continue to evaporate in open-minded societies.

Its not so much the stigma for me as the practical idea that marriage is meant to provide a level of commitment above and beyond what is basically a boyfriend/girlfriend arrangement and for that reason its seen as a more secure environment in which to raise kids for the first 18+ years of their life. Whether that's actually true now that divorce is not seen as the crime it once was is very debatable.

If I wanted children but was not prepared to get married, I would really want some sort of rock solid contract in place to have rights to see the child and I would also want a good, reliable extended family situation in case my partner just decided to take off one morning. Yes I know they can do the same thing under marriage but the consequences seem to make it less likely. In fact when it comes to the extended family, that's probably a great idea in either case.

This is all stupid, male misogyny will never go away and the more these women go after these men legit or not or because they have an axe to grind

All this hand wringing and fretting about the future... you do realize that gender discrimination and workplace harassment laws have been on the books for decades, right? Any man who is acting like they can't understand these laws is simply being willfully ignorant.

Sexual harassment goes both ways. I was sexually harassed at work by a woman. Spoke clearly with her and asked she stop. I was a contractor. She was a FTE.

She didn't stop, so I pulled the employee manual out and highlighted the paragraphs with the behavior she was doing and handed those pages to her.

She didn't stop.

I notified her boss and provided the 20+ emails she had sent, mentioned the 1am phone calls and 11pm visit to my home. I suspect she was on a booty-call? The woman was relocated to a different facility and she finally stopped.

About 6 months later, she was fired. #MeToo

The backlash is on it's way, is it?

Those who dared speak out are going to be put back in their place and the status quo will be restored as it should be, according to some frightened males.

Yep. That generational divide, right here, right now.

I can get behind the generational divide idea, primarily because women are not separate or immune from the intergenerational friction that is known as the generation gap. Boomer mothers don't think like their mothers did, and their millennial daughters don't think like them.

There is a definite gap between the way the Baby Boomers and their Millennial offspring perceive the world around them and their place in it. Both generations bring their own set of lived experiences to the table and while there are numerous cases of cross-generational ideological agreement, how each generation responds to any given situation can be very different. In general every generation has its own unique lens to view their world through, it's when one generation looks at another generation through their own lens that the differences are highlighted.

Sexual harassment goes both ways. I was sexually harassed at work by a woman. Spoke clearly with her and asked she stop. I was a contractor. She was a FTE

Try working in a Aussie nightclub as a bouncer for 8 years. Every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night us guys were groped, kissed, had unwanted sexual advances by drunk females, New Years Eve was hell, females would come up and kiss you or grab a handful. .. If we complained, we were told to get over it and it comes with the job.... BUT when our female bouncers got the same, police were called in and male offenders were arrested.

Try working in a Aussie nightclub as a bouncer for 8 years. Every Thursday, Friday and Saturday night us guys were groped, kissed, had unwanted sexual advances by drunk females, New Years Eve was hell, females would come up and kiss you or grab a handful. .. If we complained, we were told to get over it and it comes with the job.... BUT when our female bouncers got the same, police were called in and male offenders were arrested.

Yeah its typical. The #metoo debate, or more accurately, witch hunt, is totally one sided.

I hit the ignore button. Means nought to me. Except if I ever get in a position where I make hiring decisions, like i have in the past, there is no way I will be hiring women.

Yeah its typical. The #metoo debate, or more accurately, witch hunt, is totally one sided. 

I hit the ignore button. Means nought to me. Except if I ever get in a position where I make hiring decisions, like i have in the past, there is no way I will be hiring women.

metoo is just a bunch of misandrists females out to stir up trouble for men.

I would never hire a female if I owned a company, in Australia females are now entitled to pay leave for when they are on their period, and bosses cannot fire them.

Males get - 4 weeks Holiday paid, plus 10 days off sick leave paid

Females get - 4 weeks Holiday paid, plus 10 days off sick leave paid and on top, 12 weeks off paid for period pain.

What company in their right mind would hire a female when you have to pay her for 3 months without her working.

12 weeks off paid for period pain.

What company in their right mind would hire a female when you have to pay her for 3 months without her working.

For real? That has changed since I was a manager. I never heard of that.

Honestly there are going to price themselves out of the market as potential employees unless they are exceptionally skilled or in an industry dominated by women, most of which are supported by government money - teaching, child care, health care, etc etc

Private enterprise will become heavily male dominated if this trend continues.

When I was an HR Manager that's what it would have been - part of ordinary sick leave entitlements.

I don't have a problem with that if they are in serious pain.

And I can also understand that due to periods and the potential for period pain it gives women a disadvantage in terms of potentially having their sick leave wiped out with days off due to that pain.

But for some women it can be really bad. And while 3 months does sound crazy, you can easily foresee a situation where a women would need a couple weeks off over the course of a year. That's really hard for a private business to swallow on top of sick leave. Not such a massive issue if the woman is casual/part time, but for a key member of staff, likely to be full time, that could be a big problem.

I guess one solution is to save full time roles for men and hire women on a casual/part time basis lol. For a long time, when women started entering the workforce, that's how it was. But it seems crazy to rule out women for full time roles on the off chance they a) experience significant pain and b) get it every month.

Its one of those things. No easy answers. Personally if I was being a bastard, I would hire women for casual/part time only initially and if they were great at the job, providing their days off weren't crazy, I would still bump them up to full time in key roles. Its hard to find good people in business.