Trump fined $10,000 over comment he made outside court in New York civil fraud trial

Donald Trump was abruptly called to the witness stand and then fined $10,000 on Wednesday after the judge in his civil fraud trial said the former president had violated a gag order.

First warning. Next time prison.

It's obviously not enough, but good to see that the judge is doubling the five for each offensive

First warning. Next time prison.

I think it's the second warning - the first fine was $5000.

This is still nothing to Trump. I think that a short spell behind bars is what he needs.

It will also give him a taster for what lies waiting for him following the criminal trials.

Don the Con is lashing out because he knows he is screwed.

The small family boutique firm known as Trump Org has already been declared a fraudulent entity and will be most likely dissolved.

So Don got his diapers damaged and is throwing a fit.

The monetary fines won’t stop him and at some point, a judge in one of the 4 criminal and 2 civil trials he is facing is going to have enough of his baby tantrums and incarcerate him.

Good. They should double the fine every time he violates the gag order.

Slinked away from the court like a petulant child as well.

Under oath on the witness stand, Trump told the judge that the remark was aimed at “you and Cohen.”

But Trump did not conceal his frustration with the clerk. “I think she’s very biased against us. 

Trump is very bad at lying.

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Not I’m any and all circumstances. Trump himself wants to loosen libel laws to silence his critics. By your definition, he hates free speech.

First warning. Next time prison.

He’s not going to prison, but I’m sure he will violate that gag order again, he absolutely can challenge the constitutionality of the gag order, he has that right, and I am sure he’ll violate it again.

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Absolutely. Trump should take it all the way to the Supreme Court if that’s the case.

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Not in this case. It’s not absolute.

Never forget Jack Smith has had multiple convictions overturned for fabricating evidence and withholding exculpatory evidence. He fled when he was being investigated for prosecutorial misconduct over the Bob McDonnell case.

Engoron said Trump's claim was “not credible," noting that he sat closer to the clerk than to Cohen.

Or, in more everyday language, a liar.

What? You're losing us here.

Huh?

But I could actually imagine Donald Trump making a speech like this at one of his rallies, to slightly confused cheers from the cult members.

I as well.

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Absolutely. Trump should take it all the way to the Supreme Court if that’s the case.

And lose 8-1.

Speech rights are not unlimited. You cannot yell @fire!” In a movie Theater and escape liability. You cannot advocate for violence against a person in the press. And you cannot violate a court order not to defame court personnel, interfere with witnesses or the jury.

This is basic stuff.

A gag order is not the suppression of freedom of speech. US law has the right to order a gag order when necessary. He, and his followers would howl if someone they don't like (democrat, black person. . .oh, the list is too long to get it all in) was given a gag order and ignored it. It's a part of US law. Well, not to the right, I guess.

Dude can’t even lie successfully.

What happen to muh free speech?

Love the photos! Trump knows he's cornered - it's written all over his face. His problem is that he cannot help himself; it's like he has Tourette syndrome.

Don't Americans have a constitutional right to free speech?

Not completely unrestricted. Courts can place reasonable limitations on that write if it will help in getting a fair trial.

Also, we can't yell, "FIRE" in a crowded theater, since it is likely to panic the crowd and lead to injury/death. Public corporation "key individuals" also give up their complete freedom of speech because they know insider information which could sway markets for their company stock. There are lots of other examples where freedom of speech isn't absolute.

I hope the next court fine will be $50K, then $100K, then $200K and keep doubling it until he shuts up.

There are a number of court cases where freedom of speech has been shown not to be absolute. Remember Alex Jones, the largest liar I know ... in the USA? He was fined over $150M for his "freedom of speech" lies.

Speech rights are not unlimited. You cannot yell @fire!” In a movie Theater

He didn't, he called someone a thug, you are definitely allowed to have an opinion on any individual.

You cannot advocate for violence against a person in the press.

Of course, but that is not what happened.

And you cannot violate a court order not to defame court personnel, interfere with witnesses or the jury.

He didn't, as an American he can voice his personal opinion. 

This is basic stuff, and off to the Supreme Court, we go.

 He, and his followers would howl if someone they don't like (democrat, black person. . .oh, the list is too long to get it all in) was given a gag order and ignored it.

No, and color or race has nothing to do with it and what is it with libs and race all the time? This is why no one takes libs seriously.

Trump fined $10,000 over comment he made outside court in New York civil fraud trial

He came, he scowled, he got gagged, he got fined, then he left...

Keep flapping your jaws Donald, we know you want to be held in contempt so you can get that photo op of you being led away in handcuffs...

You probably have the T-shirts and cups already printed and ready to go...

There are lots of other examples where freedom of speech isn't absolute.

none of which apply to this case. The judge just doesn’t want to hear any public criticisms of himself or anyone on “his side”.

if he were acting fairly and is a non partisan manner, wouldn’t be the need for any criticism, right?

I hope the next court fine will be $50K, then $100K, then $200K and keep doubling it until he shuts up.

He's got the money, I hope he doesn't shut up, hope he just spouts and pays them fines.

I hope the next court fine will be $50K, then $100K, then $200K and keep doubling it until he shuts up.

He's got the money

Does he? That’s why he had to lie about his net worth?

If monetary fines don’t disincentivize him then jail, which is an absolute possibility in spite of this one’s assertions to the contrary.

10 days on Rikers food might do his round gut some good AND shut his fat yap.

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What happen to muh free speech?

He has free speech and if he breaks his gag order, the judge can fine him and/or put him in prison.

Has free speech yet is also gagged.

how….odd.

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There are lots of other examples where freedom of speech isn't absolute.

none of which apply to this case. The judge just doesn’t want to hear any public criticisms of himself or anyone on “his side”.

Untrue. The gag order doesn't include public criticisms of the judge.

Ol’ pouty face Pinocchio nose Donald. What a combo. lol.

Does he?

Yes

That’s why he had to lie about his net worth? 

Which is no one else's business as to what or how much money I have, the fine was paid. And he's still talking.

If monetary fines don’t disincentivize him then jail, which is an absolute possibility in spite of this one’s assertions to the contrary. 

But Jail is something he doesn't have to worry about, won't happen.

10 days on Rikers food might do his round gut some good AND shut his fat yap.

ROFL, I love good lib comedy.

”star witness” Michael Cohen.

“With Cohen back on the witness stand, he testified in a tense cross-examination that Trump did not direct him to inflate his net worth — a direct contradiction of his previous testimony.”

so in other words, he lied again?

Trump tells you what to do without telling you what to do, says disgraced liar Cohen.

he also claims he wasn’t guilty of what he pled guilty to.

If persecuting and silencing the leading opposition candidate is not election interference, then tell me what is.

none of which apply to this case. The judge just doesn’t want to hear any public criticisms of himself or anyone on “his side”.

Gag orders are constiutional. Boo hoo.

https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/nebraska-press-association-v-stuart-1976/

That’s why he had to lie about his net worth? 

Which is no one else's business as to what or how much money I have, the fine was paid. And he's still talking.

When he lies about his net worth to evade taxes and/or get loans he would not have qualified for at the rates he got, then it’s the state’s business.

Thus the trial. And the directed verdict.

says disgraced liar Cohen.

Didn’t he lie on Trump's behalf? Yes, he did.

Friendly reminder; this is not the part of the trial to determine liability. Trump has already been found liable.

THIS is the penalty phase where the degree of the punishment is determined.

As such, Cohen’s credibility is more about establishing a pattern of behavior.

Furthermore, AG James would be very unlikely to ask Cohen to testify to things that relied on his word alone BECAUSE of his history as a felon and the effect it could have upon his credibility.

I mean she isn’t some incompetent trump goober of an attorney after all.

The real questions will be, “Does his testimony match the established facts in evidenced?” (It does) and “Does his story mesh with other testimony regarding the allegations?” (It does)

This is very likely to be the end of the boutique business known as “Trump Org” in NY.

 hope the next court fine will be $50K, then $100K, then $200K and keep doubling it until he shuts up.

He's got the money, I hope he doesn't shut up, hope he just spouts and pays them fines.

And as long as the suckers keep sending him their money, he will...

But as soon as they realize they've been hustled and the grift stops, he'll clam up fast...

He isn't going to pay any of his money...just ask Rudy, Powell, Cheseboro, and Ellis...

When he lies about his net worth to evade taxes and/or get loans he would not have qualified for at the rates he got, then it’s the state’s business. 

As if he were the first human to do so.

Thus the trial. And the directed verdict.

More like witch hunt given the time frame all of these trials are scheduled.

Like he hid his tax returns.

And once “unbidden”?

the whole thing was dropped the next day as nothing was found. Big….nothing burger, is that the term you use?

Plus they weren’t really “hidden” when a guy was arrested and pled guilty to leaking them to liberal media.

According to the MAGA supporters, Trump is above the law and should not have been charged with 90-something felonies indicted in four cases, and found liable for business fraud because he is running for president.