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Missile Wars: Where North Korea stands after ICBM launch

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Funny. Un always looks horrible. And these are the photos released by the Dear Leader.

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"on the cusp of having something his father and grandfather could only dream of — the ability to unleash a nuclear attack on the United States."

No, he's not on any cusp. What a load of nonsense. Hasn't even tested a ballistic re-entry vehicle, much less a vehicle with a miniaturized warhead aboard.  

He's on the cusp of being able to nuke America like I'm on the cusp of taking Kate Upton to dinner because I own a CAR.

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I'm skeptical. Launch comes right after a huge defeat for the LDP. I don't believe in coincidence.

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I agree, NK is not about to nuke US today neither Japan, please stop that NK propaganda, it won't make Abe looks better this time.

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For anyone paying attention, the test launch of his country's first intercontinental ballistic missile on the Fourth of July came as little surprise.

Like I said earlier, but a mod chose to delete.

What's next for North Korea? Nothing. America is beset by a dithering POTUS more interested in defending his indefensible Russia connections - He wasted the recent G20 summit accomplishing nothing on this front, going in without even a plan. Getting everyone on board to unite against North Korean missiles was about the only realistically achievable goal he could have reached, but instead he wasted his time on bigoted Bannonite rants and weak-sauce political theater with Russia.

Who else is going to put pressure on DPRK? China has a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. South Korea returning to sunshine diplomacy may see some returns, but it's going to take a long time if the rest of the world doesn't act as the clouds to contrast them with, and Japan doesn't have leadership capable of addressing a foreign crisis. So nothing is going to get done.

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I don't think NK is in any position to fight a conventional war, so a missile strike would be suicidal. They are already rationing meals the same way JT is rationing stories, one per day.

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@M3M3M3, I wholeheartedly agree. If NK does the stupidest of things (an accidental landing of a test launch on any other country's territory, it will be burnt toast. Now, considering the latest conspiracy theories, let's take it to the next step; the US surrepticously (sp??) re-directs an NK test and it lands on a friendly's territory...Big Bang Theory.

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What's next?

More sanctions, almost certainly. U.S. President Donald Trump claimed "severe things" could be in the offing. The U.S. has circulated a new list of sanctions in the U.N. Security Council and U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley put the world, and especially China, "on notice" if it doesn't toe Washington's line.

Oddly, no mention that both the US and UK still send foreign aid to the DPRK

https://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-humanitarian-aid-goes-to-north-korea/3692811.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/18/uk-gave-4-million-foreign-aid-north-korea-past-six-years/

Not that I'm against it,, mind. Just pointing it out.

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Why is there not a complete blockade of any and all merchandise going into NK? I suppose China supports them, but let's turn off the rest of the world's support and starve them out. Sorry for the citizens, but I don't see any other options short of war.

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Dan LewisToday  11:56 am JST

Why is there not a complete blockade of any and all merchandise going into NK? I suppose China supports them, but let's turn off the rest of the world's support and starve them out. Sorry for the citizens, but I don't see any other options short of war.

It's kind of hard to believe a person who wants the common citizen to starve as punishment for the leadership's choices is genuinely sorry.

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 I suppose China supports them, but let's turn off the rest of the world's support and starve them out.

Because it won't work. Maybe a couple of decades ago. The Norks will NEVER trust the west again.

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@ Sam Watters

Skepticism would be to not assume that a co-incidence or correlation was the same as causation or that two things were related.

Conspiracy does exist of course but to suggest that a non co-operative foreign nations testing of weapons is somehow related to the popularity of another countries leader in a attempt somehow take away attention from their issues would require a level of collusion that I seriously doubt there is the competency for and no evidence as far as Im aware.

Now If lets say for example, , Trump launched multiple attacks on various states around the world and we later learned that it was, the same day or week, about to be announced impeachment proceedings were going to take place I think you would have much more cause to be suspicious but even then we would need evidence.

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@NZ2011. I agree with the principle of what you wrote. My question is not if Abe colluded with NK but whether or not there really was an ICBM launch. Think about it; NK does not allow independent media into the country. I looked at various "report" from the BBC, MSNBC, CNN and FOX among other and in two occasions the "missile" that NK fired was a different color. In one instance the numbers/letters on the side of the missile were different. I don't pretend to be an expert on NK nor do I think NK is a stable country but false-flag operations are as much a part of politics as speech-making.

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A big Kabuki show. Trump is correct in putting the onus on China. If China cuts the lifeline, the overweight Dear Leader can go packing. As long as China supports NK, he will keep up this show.

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My question is not if Abe colluded with NK but whether or not there really was an ICBM launch. Think about it; NK does not allow independent media into the country. I looked at various "report" from the BBC, MSNBC, CNN and FOX among other and in two occasions the "missile" that NK fired was a different color. In one instance the numbers/letters on the side of the missile were different

it is common practice for news stations to use archive footage when the broadcast rights of a certain event cannot be obtained on time.

To the people saying it was a conspiracy by Abe. Do you really believe that the US, China, SK, Russia and all the other nations that acknowledged NK's latest launch are "in on" it. Half those nations would like to see Abe gone. Why would they collaborate on his "conspiracy."

Do conspiracy theorists want to believe that everything is a meticulously orchestrated show because they are afraid to admit that some things are simply out of control?

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How could the North Korean people endure this kind of leadership? Quixotic Jong-un belongs to a prison cell. What happen to the North Korean people when the Great Furry to be ushered in? From Japan, South Korea and certainly the USA. That is not to say other great powers. Take him down before it's too late.

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it is common practice for news stations to use archive footage when the broadcast rights of a certain event cannot be obtained on time.

Doesn't it seem odd that no footage exists? Or maybe it does and I haven't seen it.

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If you watched any Japanese or Korean news channel you would have seen it.

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It's kind of hard to believe a person who wants the common citizen to starve as punishment for the leadership's choices is genuinely sorry.

Not sure where the survival of NK's citizens is anyone's responsibility other than the dear leader's. Removing him is the best way to help them, but it risks war. And I'd rather my countrymen not die.

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"Now take your weapons of mass destruction and GET THE FCK OUT OF HERE!"

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 I suppose China supports them, but let's turn off the rest of the world's support and starve them out.

Because it won't work. Maybe a couple of decades ago. The Norks will NEVER trust the west again.

Oh, no! They won't like us! binges on ice cream and potato chips

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Dan LewisToday  03:41 pm JST

Not sure where the survival of NK's citizens is anyone's responsibility other than the dear leader's. Removing him is the best way to help them, but it risks war. And I'd rather my countrymen not die.

Your countrymen are already not dying. Until a change to that state is objectively imminent, starving innocent citizens of the DPRK accomplishes nothing but petty, vindictive violence on innocents.

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Why is there not a complete blockade of any and all merchandise going into NK? I suppose China supports them, but let's turn off the rest of the world's support and starve them out.

What support does 'the world' give to NK?

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More sanctions...

Has the world not leaned from the past. Kim doesn't give a flying hoot about all the sanctions aimed at his country, if anything its seems to be to strengthening his resolve to carry on down this course of rampant militarization and aggression. He doesn't care if his people starve or if they freeze to death he has no moral compass in that regard. From his perspective he can use the threat of sanctions to his advantage by shouting out that the world is against North Korea and that we must defend ourselves.

China is probably the only country now that could reign Kim in, and they are unlikely to do that for fear of unpestting the stability of the region and the possible regime change that could follow as a result. the last thing China wants is scores of refuges swarming axcross its border and the chance of a western friendly country on its doorstep which may permit American troops to be stationed there.   

China has flexed its muscle in the past, by stopping coal imports but it would need to seriously ramp up its own local sanctions to have any major influence, a ban on currency transactions would hit the North hard but again I suspect the North would ignore it. The threat of military action from China may work, but that's about as likely as finding cheese on the moon, China will not want to be seen as an aggressor in the region proving its critics right and there is no guarantee that a Chinese North Korean conflict would actual actually go the way China wanted.

Perhaps pinpoint accurate stealth drone strike is the answer?

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@BeerDeliveryGuy. I am skeptical as to the authenticity of that footage. It may be real but it may also be stock footage.

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And 911 was a controlled demolition, Sandy Hook was a hoax, ISIS are actors, vapor trails, aluminum oxide vaccinations, lizard people, flat earth, moon landing hoax, Roswell, HAARP weather control, etc... Amirite.

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rampant militarization and aggression

rampant militarization and aggression? Where have you been for the last 100 years? You can hardly blame the country, facing "rampant militarization and aggression" of the rest of the world.

While I agree with most of your analysis...

reign Kim in

Fat chance! The Norks never cared about Bill Clinton's "Agreed Framework" and have been working on nukes the day after they agreed to it back in 1994. China is just eating popcorn on this IMO.

Perhaps pinpoint accurate stealth drone strike is the answer?

Possibly, but what comes next is a BIG question no sane person wants to answer. It's too late. The invasion of North Korea should have happened after the failure in Vietnam, militarily speaking. That was the worlds last chance to end this despot. Unfortunately, we really have never had leaders in the US who have NOT put altruism over global capitalism. And now we have a corporate news agency that keeps the Cold War meme going because it feeds the corporate military complex, that feeds the corporate Dem/Rep mafia, that feeds fake news to the idiots watching it.

c'est la vie

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Your countrymen are already not dying. Until a change to that state is objectively imminent, starving innocent citizens of the DPRK accomplishes nothing but petty, vindictive violence on innocents.

I didn't say my countrymen were dying. I said I don't want them to. But what happens when Kim gets his toy missiles to work properly, who's to say they won't?

As others have pointed out, the best choice is a surgical strike. Remove him and his regime. That's the best thing any country can do for the citizens of NK - and for the rest of the world.

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1944 1994

I think Kazuya Yoshii did a good job of splianin it back in 1994 with "Jaguar Hard Pain" in Second Cry.

The Yellow Monkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZv-wC69BE

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Fizz - And now we have a corporate news agency that keeps the Cold War meme going because it feeds the corporate military complex, that feeds the corporate Dem/Rep mafia, that feeds fake news to the idiots watching it.

It must hurt being so alternative. Can you point me in the direction of your sources where enlightened ones such as yourself glean the "real" news? Thanks...

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Dan LewisToday  04:52 pm JST

I didn't say my countrymen were dying. I said I don't want them to. But what happens when Kim gets his toy missiles to work properly, who's to say they won't?

And whose to say when he gets his missiles working they will? If we're just going to speculate baselessly on wild-eyed fear, whose to say your countrymen won't die when the Queen of England signals the lizard people that it's time for the assassination of the warm-bloods to begin?

As others have pointed out, the best choice is a surgical strike. Remove him and his regime. That's the best thing any country can do for the citizens of NK - and for the rest of the world.

Think it through. In an centrally-planned autocracy, decision-making power is super-concentrated. Were that regime to be assassinated, by definition everyone responsible for decision-making would be taken out of the picture. That responsibility doesn't get magically redistributed. Innocent people are going to die when either basic decisions about food or medicine distribution don't get taken care of in even the best case scenario - worst case scenario is that everyone in the layer of power directly under the top gets caught up in a struggle to fill the power vacuum that kills even more innocents.

Now maybe some people are okay with that. They can pretend it's not their problem if some other peasants in some other country die as long as they are safe. Well, again, take a minute to think about it. Where did we see this exact same situation happen most recently?

In Iraq, when then US and it's allies ousted the Hussein regime and "de-Baathified" the whole country's political system. What happened next? A sectarian civil war. What came out of that war?

ISIS.

A lot of people didn't notice because it wasn't compatible with their Islamophobic world view, but ISIS's initial success wasn't because most people agreed with their religious ideology. It was because A) they kept the power on better than the democratically elected government, and B) in many places they were the only ones offering paying jobs.

It is not a simple thing to completely reorganize a country's political leadership, and if it's not done with the utmost care, it's likely that people come out of the conflict with something worse. I know it feels good to imagine blowing everyone else away with your giant, rock-hard missiles, but it's not actually a solution to complex problems in the real world.

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Angry angry lefties. Can't express yourself in clear words. Always attacking. Not surprising really. Typical Larry warmongering.

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we really have never had leaders in the US who have NOT put altruism over global capitalism. 

Sorry. Mixed that up. Should have read...

we really have never had leaders in the US who have put altruism over global capitalism.

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A deterrent, nothing more.

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