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Mixed reaction from Hong Kong expats to UK visa offer

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Seems like a godsend to them, they should be thankful.

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They are right to think about what it means for their lives.

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That is really a lot of people UK will have to shelter.

What will happen to their properties in HK ? What will happen to their savings ?

So in 5 years you will have 3 milion UK citizens owning land in China. Maybe not so bad this

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So in 5 years you will have 3 milion UK citizens owning land in China. Maybe not so bad this

Isn't that enough to start a war ? Where is this going ?

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Freedom is a personal thing, my life is upto me, everyone have their versions if they are happy living under/ with a social points system good for them. Me I change the channel when I'm not happy, it's my choice no one else's.

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I wonder what the Brexiteers have to say about this? Anybody know any?

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I wonder what the Brexiteers have to say about this? Anybody know any?

They didn't like the big Romanian immigrants, I reckon they aren't happy

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In Britain, many people of different races are living. It is an international society. Chinese are smart and flexible people and they are religiously not stubborn. They will become good citizens.

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The Chinese have lived in Britain for more than 200 years. Nothing new there.

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I wonder what the Brexiteers have to say about this? Anybody know any?

They didn't like the big Romanian immigrants, I reckon they aren't happy

A bit unfair. You can be sure that the lion’s share of racists voted Brexit but some voted out for other reasons. The Bennites ( still around ) for one voted out for the reasons Tony Benn put forward - erosion of democracy being one.

There is a very serious discussion needed about the logistics of hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of Hong Kongers coming to the UK. To begin, the housing situation in the UK is already dire.

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Sounds like Castro and Cuba; don’t it ?

Whatever, that forty years went by fast to get to this point, but as usual, it was simply a speck of sand in the militaristic scope of china’s history.

We all knew then, it would ultimately come to this...I certainly did, watching Prince Charles float out of the harbor.

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Yeah this does looks like another scenario of Miami in the making. IMO Taiwan is their best option, it's close, it's same culture and ethinicity, and no language barrier.

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The HK lease ran out 23 years ago, this is no longer Britain’s problem. Does BJ have jobs and homes ready for 3 million Chinese immigrants?

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So in 5 years you will have 3 milion UK citizens owning land in China. Maybe not so bad

@ N1K1 - You really think Communist China will allow these British Citizens to retain their property in HK? Seriously? They have trampled over every human right so far, these thugs are not going to suddenly become fair minded.

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Even an influx of 3 million people over ten years would be impossible for the country to handle especially with housing.

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CitizenSmith

The HK lease ran out 23 years ago, this is no longer Britain’s problem.

But the Sino-British joint agreement, which the CCP signed, runs until 2047.

Does BJ have jobs and homes ready for 3 million Chinese immigrants?

If BJ can house an unlimited number of illegal third world immigrants (check out the constant transfer of channel crossers with busses to hotels all over the country), I am sure he can deal with 3 million educated and intagratable Hong Kongers.

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It’s going to end up like the Berlin Wall or the Vietnamese Boat People. Authoritarian governments will always do this.

Fingers crossed for the Yank elections in November, or there’s going to be another wave of emigrants from there....

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If BJ can house an unlimited number of illegal third world immigrants (check out the constant transfer of channel crossers with busses to hotels all over the country), I am sure he can deal with 3 million educated and intagratable Hong Kongers.

Where are you getting ‘unlimited’ from?

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A bit unfair. You can be sure that the lion’s share of racists voted Brexit but

I didn't mention the R word, mate. Immigration was front and centre of Brexit despite the limited impact of the EU on permanent migration to Britain.

Do all racists oppose immigration? Probably.

Are all those against immigration racist? Probably not.

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If BJ can house an unlimited number of illegal third world immigrants (check out the constant transfer of channel crossers with busses to hotels all over the country), I am sure he can deal with 3 million educated and intagratable Hong Kongers.

Not correct.

According to UNHCR statistics, at the end of 2018 there were 126,720 refugees, 45,244​ pending asylum cases and 125 stateless persons in the UK.

I think about 100,000 refugee's enter the UK every year. about 50% of their applications are rejected. Normally, refugees are not housed in hotels but it was necessary recently because of the Covid-19, which included putting the homeless into hotels too.

Firstly, it has nothing to do with being "educated" and not Hong Kong people are not that. Some are even criminals.

A sudden demand for 3 million homes would cause chaos on the housing market with prices quickly rising and making it more difficult for young British couple to get onto the housing ladder.

3 million homes can't be built overnight.

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So in 5 years you will have 3 milion UK citizens owning land in China. Maybe not so bad this

What Fighto said. China will take it. Best is to sell now, but who in their right mind would buy it?

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You really think Communist China will allow these British Citizens to retain their property

No ! Ofcourse I don't. But the rights to claim ownership will always be there ( at-least, I think).

So who knows what will happen in 200-300 hundred years.

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Jimizo:

Where are you getting ‘unlimited’ from?

Has anybody set a limit for asylum applicants? Please give a reference. If there is no limit set, it is unlimited.

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I wonder what the Brexiteers have to say about this? Anybody know any?

Most of those I know would welcome it. Maybe you should try getting to know some Brexiteers yourself, rather than depending on slanderous media stereotypes.

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Where are you getting ‘unlimited’ from?

Has anybody set a limit for asylum applicants? Please give a reference. If there is no limit set, it is unlimited.

Not what you said nor what the discussion was about.. You said ‘BJ can house an unlimited number’. No he can’t. Logistics prevent that. The discussion was about the logistics of taking in 3 million Hong Kongers.

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WilliB

Has anybody set a limit for asylum applicants? Please give a reference. If there is no limit set, it is unlimited.

why don’t you just check out the British government sites, you'll get all the accurate figures and data you need?

the limit is set by the number of arrivals which run into tens of thousands, not millions like you have claimed.

Taking care of the needs of asylum seekers and mass immigration from HK are very different logistic problems.

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The largest democracy with the most leverage is completely absent. Not much of a beacon of hope is it?

Should've never given HK back to China. A nation that has never kept its word.

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zichi

the limit is set by the number of arrivals

....in other words, there is no limit.

which run into tens of thousands, not millions like you have claimed.

There are millions who intend to come. For reference, about 3 million "refugees" have entered Germany since 2015. If you think UK is less attractive, you are dreaming.

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n1k1

So in 5 years you will have 3 milion UK citizens owning land in China.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody owns land in CCP China. It all belongs to the CCP.

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Chinese people in China own land.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but nobody owns land in CCP China. It all belongs to the CCP.

Oops ! I should really stop thinking loud.

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Most activists are young and were born after the 1997 hand-over.

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@zichi et al.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chinese_property_law

The problem is, if you're a poor village Farmer whose Family has been farming the land for decades, Government officials can seize that land for their own purposes if you can not prove that you really own that land... which sadly most can't.

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Chinese people in China own land.

Only in the collective sense. A land user obtains only the land use right, not the land or any resources in or below the land.

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Immigrants into the UK are increasing being asked to pay up front for the NHS and being denied access to different forms of welfare. Even people working in the NHS are being asked to pay several thousand pounds. The same has applied for several years to non-EU spouses, and now the UK has left the EU, will presumably now apply to spouses from the EU too.

The door may be open to people from Hong Kong, but I strongly doubt they will just walk in and be allowed to work and live in the UK without paying various fees, which incidentally are far higher than the cost of visas to stay in Japan. The spouses of British citizens cannot do that.

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UK aint so great any longer in 5 years it might not even be as good as it is now.

Half of it has already been taken over by the extremists.

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Half of it has already been taken over by the extremists.

Who would those 35 million be?

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I will be very happy to see Hong Kongers relocating to the UK!

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WilliB

There are millions who intend to come. For reference, about 3 million "refugees" have entered Germany since 2015. If you think UK is less attractive, you are dreaming.

You have been saying the same for years but the reality is different. Reaching the UK is more difficult than Germany. Why not just check out the UK government sites like I recommended.

The flow of refugee's have slowed and in some cases reversed. Mostly from you is nothing more than fear mongering.

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If I could choose a country in Europe to live in then it would be Portugal or Italy but for work it would be the UK over Germany anytime!

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Ireland too but Italy is a great country.

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Most of those I know would welcome it. Maybe you should try getting to know some Brexiteers yourself, rather than depending on slanderous media stereotypes.

Actually I know quite a few, Commanteer. 'Anybody know any?' pushed the buttons I expected, though.

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The reality is that sooner or later the West and its allies are going to have to confront China and reduce trade with them in order to change their ways! It is inevitable.

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Don’t bother looking for a job in Ireland, when I was on a ferry out of there going South, I inquired of a couple guys on the deck next to me. They had a disgusted look on their face and immediately blamed an influx of recent (at that time) previously Soviet Bloc country immigrants.

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WA4TKG

Don’t bother looking for a job in Ireland,

I never look a job anywhere preferring to create my own way. 30 years in Japan I have only "worked" for an afternoon making an English program. otherwise I made by own way.

Ireland is a beautiful country.

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Only British people can destroy British stupid govt.

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zichi

Taking care of the needs of asylum seekers and mass immigration from HK are very different logistic problems.

I agree. The HK population will easily integrate, not depend on support from the system, accept secular law, not overload the justice system, and very rapidly contribute to society. A very different logistical problem, in fact no problem at all.

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A very different logistical problem, in fact no problem at all.

I’d agree that people from Hong Kong can be more easily integrated than people from many other countries, but don’t these Hong Kongers need houses? Do you know anything about the current housing situation in the UK?

No problem at all?

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WilliB

I agree. The HK population will easily integrate, not depend on support from the system, accept secular law, not overload the justice system, and very rapidly contribute to society. A very different logistical problem, in fact no problem at all.

You are not looking at the bigger picture very clearly. 3 million people influx. Housing crisis. Children of those people needing schools at different levels. NHS will also be needed. All people need support from the system. A multiple of problems.

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Once the Hong Kong people have a British passport the Chinese government could just cancel their Chinese citizenship and expel them has foreigners.

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The last time I remember something like this was when General Amin of Uganda expelled all the Indians and grabbed their wealth on the way out. They were only 80,000 but Britain accepted them.

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I voted leave on left wing reasons. Immigration was far down the list with regards to my leave vote. The people from Hong Kong are welcome, most opinion polls support this. But not many will come to be honest. There are other options on the table for the Hong Kongers. China is also going to make it very difficult to move money / sell property and will probably harass family members of people who do leave.

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Jimizo said "I’d agree that people from Hong Kong can be more easily integrated than people from many other countries..."

Why would Hong Kong people be integrated into a inferior system while they themselves are highly civilized ?

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Give Hong Kong people a chance to discover true democracy in UK, and change it in better ways.

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Why would Hong Kong people be integrated into a inferior system while they themselves are highly civilized ?

Ask them. It seems many want away from the CCP.

The CCP civilized? A collection of thugs led by Winnie the Pooh?

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Chinese people who leave China and claim citizenship elsewhere are still considered Chinese citizens by the CCP. There are US citizens who took their families to China for a visit with relatives there only to have the father, mother, and 2 kids prevented from leaving by the CCP. China didn't recognize their US citizenship.

Once they leave, going back will be a dangerous option. Just ask:

Li Shaomin, Gao Zhan (and family), Wu Jianmin, Qin Guangguang, and a number of others.

About the CCP Govt: yes, they want to get them back, but they want to let them know if you fool around with Taiwan, if you take money we don't like, if you write something we don't want, you're going to get hurt, so keep yourself clean and you can come and help the motherland. If you do not help the motherland, you're going to get badly hurt.

former ambassador to China James Lilley

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Lots of respect to Britain for what they are doing for their former colony. I hope Japan can be just as generous to the Taiwanese when China invades Taiwan.

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The last time I remember something like this was when General Amin of Uganda expelled all the Indians and grabbed their wealth on the way out. They were only 80,000 but Britain accepted them.

Thankfully, or else the world would have been deprived of the great talents of Freddie Mercury.

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I wonder what the Brexiteers have to say about this?

Well, the policy was announced by the prime minister, a leading Brexiteer, so your rhetorical question is pointless. Johnson's offer is another real-world example exposing a Remoaners' campaign lie -- that Brexit was only about stopping immigration.

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exposing a Remoaners' campaign lie that Brexit was only about stopping immigration

Yes, Jeff. I know post-truth politics is far sexier than analysis.

Concerns about EU - despite the £350M per week 'claim' on Boris's big red bus (the truth was £150M https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31) - weren't enough to get Brexit across the line.

One pre-vote survey found that 'Immigration' far outweighed the 'European Union' among prospective Leave voters. (Respondents who chose either 'NHS,' 'Economy,' or 'Poverty/Inequality' as the most important issue leaned heavily towards Remain).

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/poll-british-voters-split-brexit-think-eu-exit-vote-will-n594086

The British Social Attitudes Survey, after the vote discovered:

"73% of those who are worried about immigration voted Leave, compared with 36% of those who did not identify this as a concern" -

https://bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-report/british-social-attitudes-34/brexit.aspx

Nigel Farage did seem very proud of his 'Breaking Point' poster, though:

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-24/how-brexit-campaign-used-refugees-scare-voters

While Vote Leave screamed:

that 5.23 million new immigrants are moving to the UK

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-vote-leaves-dark-brexit-ads

"Vote Leave was the designated lead campaigner for the leave outcome at the referendum. We found that it broke the electoral rules set out by Parliament to ensure fairness, confidence and legitimacy at an electoral event. Serious offences such as these undermine public confidence in our system and it is vital, therefore, that they are properly investigated and sanctioned."

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/media-statement-vote-leave

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enlightened by a google search of "do chinese people really own land".

very happy to be in Japan.

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How can you have one country/ two system, anyone with an iota of common sense could see this would never work and that's why it was put in place

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Actually I know quite a few, Commanteer. 'Anybody know any?' pushed the buttons I expected, though.

My children used to love pushing buttons, on elevators or wherever. But they grew out of it sadly, sometime before elementary school. I am glad you still enjoy it.

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Hong Kong people, should fight for their liberation, like Black people did, you see how Black people have conquered, their adversaries without a shot not being fired, they adversaries will be soon in compliance with the new power structure in America, the more they resist it will speed up their political demise

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