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More terror suspects returning to fight....why not believe these were innocent when first arrested and sent to Guantanamo?

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Good luck proving that....

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A lot of these terrorist were turned in for the $1000.00 offered by the US as a reward for information. But they weren't terrorist, they were just personal enemies and a chance to get rid their enemy for a few bucks.

So we have a combination of real bad guys and those who were just caught up in the pick-up?

It's got to be one of the most difficult jobs to try to determine who really are bad guys and the good guys. We know that we have both. < :-)

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Let them return to fight, so that we can legitimately plug em.

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Why not tag and release them? Implant a microchip with GPS on them while they sleep, release them, and then see where they go. They'd find Osama in no time.

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Why not tag and release them? Implant a microchip with GPS on them while they sleep, release them, and then see where they go. They'd find Osama in no time.

That is a terrific idea. They should include a receiver so they can listen in on conversations too. Well, its a great idea... appart from the obvious human rights violations. Still, its fun to dream eh.

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hehe... what do you expect...

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As has been said for a long time, and now proven -- this place created more terrorists than it ever rounded up.

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I agree with Smithinjapan. Just as prisons are a training ground for criminals, Guantanamo is a training ground for fighters against the U.S.A. Some might say they are joining a war against terror, the war of terror the U.S. is carrying out in support of a corrupt regime run by an oilman in their country in the hope the U.S. can get access to oil from F.S.U. republics.

Goddog comment "legitimately plug em" is interesting. If the Taliban and Al Qaeda, when they were supported by the CIA, legitimately plugged invading Russians , who is legitimately plugging who now?

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If you were innocent then tortured while being captive then who wouldn't want to fight when released?

I agree with this:

As has been said for a long time, and now proven -- this place created >more terrorists than it ever rounded up.

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Not to mention the guilty ones have an even stronger reason to fight.

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Gee, the surprise of the day. And no doubt the Obama administration is still busy trying to connect the dots....

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They should not be released. If a future terrorist attack is discovered to have been carried out by a released Guantanamo prisoner, the U.S. will look stupid once again.

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They should not be released.

You can't just lock someone up for the rest of their lives without a trial, proof or reason. The same folks hawking at President Obama releasing detainees would be hawking if they were held in Japan for one month without charges. They would also be whinning if this was them or their loved one. Just like the female American student who was found guilty of murdering her roommate in Italy after first trying to blame it on a black man. Also the same US politician hawking at President Obama was complaining along with parents she shouldn't be trialed and we are going to bring her home. She had a fair trial and was found guilty.

Those complaining about Guantanamo detainees can't have it both ways. If you want your people not to be detained in other countries then you can't hold people indefinitely because you feel like it.

Bush and more so Cheney created this new wave of terrorists. President Obama is now having to clean up their mess.

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If you were innocent then tortured while being captive then who wouldn't want to fight when released?

Just about anyone. Most people who were innocent, would want to get back to their lives, and never see the inside of another prison, much less associate with anyone they met on the inside. No, pretty much its only the guilty that are going back to terrorist activities.

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Oh my.

There must be some mistake.

The pressure experts like myself (if I may say so) brought on authorities running the prison at Guantanomo resulted in the most humane treatment its innocent, wrongfully imprisoned inmates could have imagined. They received Halal meals, they were allowed prayer sessions, each member of the prison population could read from his own personal copy of the Holy Koran.

To even suggest that such an environment could have created terrorists is close to blasphemy.

We do not need more Islamophobia.

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@Molenir

Just about anyone. Most people who were innocent, would want to get back >to their lives, and never see the inside of another prison, much less >associate with anyone they met on the inside. No, pretty much its only the >guilty that are going back to terrorist activities.

No my friend! That is only people who have something to go back to. Most of these folks were not middle to upper class living citizens with good jobs and happy families to get back to. Alot of these detainees can't even go back to their home country. Why do think some have been relocated to the Caribbean and other countries? Not only have you been detained and torture but even if you are released you can't go home. So the happiness they may have had is gone.

People who feel their nothing else to lose most people would want to fight those that totally ruined their lives.

You are living in a bubble Molenir

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ProfJuanColePhd

The pressure experts like myself (if I may say so) brought on authorities >running the prison at Guantanomo resulted in the most humane treatment its >innocent, wrongfully imprisoned inmates could have imagined.

Don't forget waterboarding and other tactics. Here is a list for the ignorant and sarcastic. Out of the mouths of the Americans involved with it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/03/guantanamo.usa

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/us-judge-admits-torture-tactics-in-guantanamo/2009/01/14/1231608832230.html

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/020408_b_torture.htm

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Molenir

Most people who were innocent, would want to get back to their lives, and never see the inside of another prison, much less associate with anyone they met on the inside.

I'm sorry to disagree with you Molenir. Revenge is one of the biggest reasons for people who weren't terrorist to turn against us.

Like biglittleman said, they got nothing to go back to. < :-)

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I never thought the day would come that I would be quoting George Bush but I can read no more here.

"Islam is a religion of peace."

Even if incarcerated unjustly I have a very, very, very hard time believing that Muslim men from places as disparate as Afghanistan, Yemen, Canada, Pakistan and Western China, upon release from Guantanomo Bay Prison, would take up arms and seek revenge upon Americans or any non-Muslim nation.

It is as preposterous as trying to justify wariness of Muslims by making the specious link between the professed religion of a tiny, tiny handful of terrorists like Al Qaeda and their violent behavior.

If these former inmates are committing acts of so-called terror (I doubt it, and so does my esteemed colleague Alex Jones, at PrisonPlanet - see post from biglittlman above), it is because, as biglittleman noted, they cannot go back to their homelands.

The annals of history are replete with incidents of men and women who, unable to return to where they are from, had little choice but to become mass murderers. Buddhist Tibet springs to mind, as does Greek Orthodox Cyprus, to name but a few places that have probably spawned thousands of violent terrorists, though I must admit neither country is in my area of interest.

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I'm sorry to disagree with you Molenir. Revenge is one of the biggest reasons for people who weren't terrorist to turn against us.

Allow me to disagree. To me, its almost like you're living in a daydream. (Sorry, couldn't resist.) The point being, it seems like you are seeing what you want to see. People when they get out of jail, do they think, I've been wronged, I'm going to go and murder a bunch of people. Yes, I grant that does happen. However the vast majority of people, regardless of how disrupted their lives are, particularly if they were innocent of the charges against them. They go, find jobs, and become useful members of society. Those who don't, were more often then not, those who truly were guilty in the first place.

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[As has been said for a long time, and now proven -- this place created more terrorists than it ever rounded up.]

The voice of Allah has spoken to Richard smithinjapan! He knows that people wronged by the great satan will ultimately be justified in their jihad. Once a innocent man is wronged he is bound to be so blinded by rage that he would take up a holy jihad of course. It's only natural in those parts of the world for people of such low intelligence to do so.

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By taking innocent men to Gitmo and waterboarding them and subjecting them to harsh interrogations for nothing, they have a reason to retaliate. You've got a few real jihadists who are teaching the hate for these Americans who have taken them away from home and killed their families. What do they have at home anymore? But after several years of this punishment, I can understand why they take up arms against the US. Some of these guys want revenge for what we did to them. < :-)

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Where do they get their figures and data for this information? Another media-scare tactic. Anyway, there ARE people out there wanting to do away with the lot of us. I say, No fear. Mow 'em down.

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The US should take a hint from Chile and Argentina and just make them disappear.

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Obama promised to close it down in his election campaign. If he doesn't want to be proved a liar, he has to close it.

Unfortunately to close it would be madness, with most of the softer prisoners now having been released. What to do with the clearcut hardcore remainder?

Take them out and shut it down, sure, to keep his promise, but put them into another place which is more dignified and has perceived due process, ...

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biglittleman: who wouldn't want to fight when released?

Well the data is telling us that about 80% of those released don't want to fight. But don't let that stop you...

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smithinjapan: As has been said for a long time, and now proven -- this place created more terrorists than it ever rounded up.

I suppose one could say that 100% of the men were innocent and the US turned 20% of them into terrorists. Unfortunately someone could use the same tactic and say that 100% of the men were guilty and the US successfully rehabilitated 80% of them. And that person's argument would have just as much "proof" as your does, which is close to zero.

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Most of these arguments are awesome. To paraphrase - no society should ever lock anyone up, for fear of creating enemies. Brilliant.

How are you guys not elected officials by now? Sheesh, get a clue.

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smithinjapan: As has been said for a long time, and now proven -- this place created more terrorists than it ever rounded up.

The Koran created terrorists, its their Bible.

Until that evil book is corrected, Islamic terrorism is omnipresent.

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SuperLib: "...Unfortunately someone could use the same tactic and say that 100% of the men were guilty and the US successfully rehabilitated 80% of them."

That's what the US tried when they caught these 'suspected terrorists' and held them without proof, and without trial, which, if I'm not mistaken, you stood for.

"And that person's argument would have just as much "proof" as your does, which is close to zero."

Ummm.... not my proof that's zero -- the proof is in the pudding here, my friend. The proof that's zero was that these people were terrorists before being rounded up and held in Guantanamo. Hard fact for some to follow.

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guest: "The Koran created terrorists, its their Bible."

Why say 'its their bible'? are you insinuating that the Bible creates terrorists?

I agree with you, but let me expand on your point to give it an ounce of credibility -- neither the Koran nor the Bible create terrorists; terrorists use what's in them to justify their actions. In other words, crazy people. But let me simplify it for you even more, since it seems you only understand syllogisms and what not: a kitchen knife is not a weapon unless I use it as such.

Hate creates hate, and intolerance intolerance. The sooner you guys learn that, the sooner terrorism will decrease instead of increasing.

Here endeth the lesson.

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bushlover: You proved my point in your comment; you get offended and lash out like a child. The difference, of course, is that these people were locked up where you are just being childish and having a tantrum. They are using their incarceration as justification to attack others, you are simply taking that fact to rant about unrelated things. I agree with you on one point, though;

" It's only natural in those parts of the world for people of such low intelligence to do so."

you clearly demonstrate that the low intelligence knows no borders, my friend.

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ShonanMaruNo2: From the bible:

"Leviticus 20:9

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him"

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ShonanMaruNo2: Or do you just need an abortion clinic bombing in the name of god to prove my point?

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They are using their incarceration as justification to attack others

No they are incarcerated because they have attacked others.

smithinjapan you are, by Islamic definition, an infidel.

in·fi·del (nf-dl, -dl) n.

Offensive An unbeliever with respect to a particular religion, especially Christianity or Islam. One who has no religious beliefs. One who doubts or rejects a particular doctrine, system, or principle.

Dont you think that its time to change the definition of infidel? Would you agree that the current Islamic definition is wrong?

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The silver lining is these former G'tmo crazies are also killin Obama's shot at a second term.

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obama is a sure winner for his second term, the repubs have no one to run.

Bush let 500 plus gitmo prisoners go during his presidency, Obama has release 40. Do the math you conservative losers.

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"obama is a sure winner for his second term, the repubs have no one to run."

Don't say that, I'm still hoping "sarah" will be providing us with further belly-laughs for 2012.

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Once again, if only we'd listen to the lyrics of the Grateful Dead.

"Whichever way your pleasure tends; if you plant ice, you're going to harvest wind."

Taka

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Ummm.... not my proof that's zero -- the proof is in the pudding here, my friend. The proof that's zero was that these people were terrorists before being rounded up and held in Guantanamo. Hard fact for some to follow.

So Smith you're saying that all of those held at Gitmo are innocent?? I suppose they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and were not Taliban fighters. Odd coincidence that.

Bush let 500 plus gitmo prisoners go during his presidency, Obama has release 40. Do the math you conservative losers.

Zuc as always you puzzle me with your vitriol against the Republican party, as typically it makes your points barely relative to topic and most often nonsensical at best. Usually the left wing rant is that Bush held these men (innocent all according to Smith) in the first place and violated the Constitution in the process. Now, as it's convenient for your hatred of the man, he's the bad guy for letting more of them go than our current President. You don't even really have a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' type of argument, but rather just damn all if you're Republican.

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tigermouth: So Smith you're saying that all of those held at Gitmo are innocent??

It sounds like that is indeed what he's saying, and he's taking a step further and claiming he has proof. I'm not exactly sure what that proof is, but it exists in his mind and somehow involves pudding.

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If they are returning to fight they can't really be called suspects, can they...

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I have to agree with superlib here smith. I would like to see evidence that all of them were innocent and that the US didn't have a single ounce of evidence against a single one of them.

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More terror suspects returning to fight after Guantanamo release

who would have thought

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