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Referendums never settle anything because the losing side always objects. However, in this case, I do believe that 52% is not a majority. If a referendum is to have meaning, a majority should be something like 75-80% one way or the other. Which is unlikely, hence my opposition to them.

I believe that in a democracy, you elect (or hire) the government to make decisions for you. You don't then ask to have referendums on contentious issues because there are too many issues that divide people. If the government is making a mess of governing, then you vote them out at the next election.

Cameron made a mistake calling this referendum,.

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If the "Remain" side had won, they would have demanded the "Leave" side to respect the vote. The referendum has been decided, the "Leave" side has won, and the "Remain" side must respect the result.

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most especially London

most especially the central bankers in London

There, fixed it for ya

That's a helluva lot of bankers, FizzBit

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Let this be a lesson for Trump supporters. Votes count. Regret does not. This kind of catastrophe is the inevitable result of conservative ideology's influence on ignorant voters.

What regret? Those whining for another vote are obviously the ones who lost fair and square.

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Let the people who want to have another Referendum pay for it out of their own pockets.

Even by the standards of the comments regularly posted here this is utter drivel. Congratulations.

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It's a major victory for Leave supporters not only against Remain but global multimedia. Let's uphold democratic values and move forward !

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it looks like Scotland will vote again on its independance and its popularity and right to stay in the EU, Id say the chances are high that Scotland will leave the UK. either way you look at it the future certainly doesnt look positive or united for the UK.

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"Referendums never settle anything because the losing side always objects. However, in this case, I do believe that 52% is not a majority. If a referendum is to have meaning, a majority should be something like 75-80% one way or the other. Which is unlikely, hence my opposition to them."

No. If you take that principle further, no government in the UK my lifetime has had the right to govern. Thatcher and Blair, the two most successful Prime Ministers at the ballot box, never got 50% of the vote. I don't see why the rules change for a referendum. It is an expression of the popular will.

This referendum was called because Cameron pooed his pants and was only interested in the short-term health of the Tory Party. Nevertheless, it was a fair vote ( cue our resident conspiracy theorists ) and out won fair and square. It isn't what I wanted but it must be respected.

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Best out of three? Five? Can go on forever with these referendums.

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defeated party not 100% correct in what they believed. give some time and patience to see the future of england, have some faith in your own country instead of asking for referendums.

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Exactly! Had the vote gone the other way, I would have been better off financially. However, after many decades in the EU the negatives swayed enough of the people to save the group.

For me there were many other factors that convinced me that a leave vote was more beneficial to the UK in the long run. The generation of this petition will not change the present status quo

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"Some 48% of British adults said they were happy with the result against 43% who were unhappy."

That seems to show the "leave" side is stronger than the election results suggest. So now a minority is saying it has the right to overturn the will of a majority? Get real.

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If there were to be another referendum, I think we'd see rioting in the streets. I voted to remain and was disappointed with the result. But I realise I have to accept it and try to make the most of it.

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C'mon, what, a do over??

Try doing that in any sport event...

This is called sour grapes.

Remain lost. That's the way these things works.

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Why we have a 'First past the post' electoral system in the UK is to deliver a government that has a real majority and therefore a mandate from the people to govern. This referendum has delivered a deeply split UK and may well split the union apart. Pretty sure that wasn't in the plan.

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Just seeing the Leave campaign walk back all the major promises/lies that won them the vote in the last few days is enough for me to sign the petition. Immigration won't change. And that 45 billion pounds deficit might be real after all.

Boris and Farage look like a deer stuck in the headlights.

Never has there been a historic decision made.with such carelessness. The Leave campaign has no plan. It was obvious before it is certain now.

My own predicament slightly better having dual-nationality yet I hear the political whores on the extreme right in France and Holland spurred on by this divisionist madness, rather than waiting to see what happens, or how bad it actually gets for the UK.

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see a note that the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon reached out to Brussels only to be rejected out of hand,

She was not rejected by anyone. EU staff reminded her the facts. "First Minister of Scotland", "Duke of Edinburgh", "Thane od Brexit", "Queen Elizabeth"... then what ? The only official head of Scotland is the Prime Minister of UK. Heads of other States and organizations regrouping States can only negociate with UK. That will be the case until Scotland has become a State independent from the UK.

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Vote, vote, vote. If the results are the same each time ... then the losers should just give up and get on with whatever lies down the road. They should try to make something good out of a situation they disagree with. No matter what, England has a long history ... and pulling out of the EU will be only a bump in the road as the Brits make do with what they have ...

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What to do, keep voting until the result satisfy the Rothschild?

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Looking at the last 2 days you would swear the world was coming to an end.

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The people have spoken (voted) and more than half of the voters decided to go for exiting the EU. This result will stand. But have they seen beyond the ends of their noses? Regret, if any, will set in later.

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Let this be a lesson for Trump supporters. Votes count. Regret does not. This kind of catastrophe is the inevitable result of conservative ideology's influence on ignorant voters.

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might be 17 is bigger than 2 millions in the referendum, how another referendum is possible? just because, every where people want their identity as a Nation; some few more countries in EU want to opt out of EU is another fact; reason is unified structures in global concepts is not gelling with people for their own obvious reasons; sir.

Anyway let us see how trends move.

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17,410,742 people said leave. Accept it and move on. I'm supporting the exit and for many reasons, sure there is problems with leaving but more problems when staying.

Reason? UK Citizens get less than the Europeans.

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Hi Jimizo, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, the referendum outcome is a tad close for comfort, the political consequences are unfolding akin to the prising open of Pandora's box.

However Europe 27 states had it coming, Italian banks are about to unleash €430bn of bad loans on the Eurozone, a decimated banking sector amounting to 22% of lending nationally , the threat is endemic, with no economic escape route.

I see a note that the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon reached out to Brussels only to be rejected out of hand, if I may add, rudely, unnecessarily, with little recourse for negation.

The UK, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland must now remain resolute even in the face of unprecedented disagreement, discord and friction.

The UK must take a deep breath, allow the political system to adjust. Allow opposition parties to simultaneously regroup.

The EU commission must be offered no quarter.

UK must first whether its own political storm,t hen when the time allows, a cross party group must recognize the will of the people and focus on invoking article 50. Not before.UK might will have to instate their intentions ruthlessly without fear.

Fight them on the beaches, never surrender to Herr Juncker, and Gruppenführer Schulz

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I love a good fight.

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Regret, if any

I think we're seeing plenty of buyer's remorse already, especially after Farage's comments about not giving the alluded-to £350m a day for the NHS, and Tory MEP Daniel Hannan's admission that there'd be similar levels of immigration after Brexit.

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If Scotland wants independence from the UK....England, Wales, and Northern Ireland must guide the process politically as well as economically from a position of friendship, and respect. Not threats, intimation, and recrimination. oh you mean how the Brexit campaign was run!? No Scotland wants it voice heard and more say how to run its region. It was meant to be addressed after the last independence referendum. With the Brexit vote its clear to the Scotish that neither has happened. There should be no surprise if / when the Scotish vote to leave the UK. The united in UK is looking as far from reality as its ever been.

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SwissToniJUN. 26, 2016 - 06:01PM JST

Why we have a 'First past the post' electoral system in the UK is to deliver a government that has a real majority and therefore a mandate from the people to govern.

Um... except that in any given constituency, a Conservative candidate, for example, might get 25,000 votes, a Labour candidate might get 20,000, a Lib Dem might get 10,000 and someone from the UKIP might get 5,000. With only 42% of the votes the Conservative still wins and what you get in Parliament is a majority quite possibly made up of MPs that most of the voters didn't vote for. I'm not sure what sort of mandate that is.

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Hi wtfjapan, Devolution is clearly not enough?

The SNP has lost its overall majority in the Scottish Parliament, thanks ironically and partly to gains made by the Scottish conservative party.

http://www.parliament.scot/

How do you personally see the process of independence evolving? Your views on the secession to membership of the EU?, Currency?,Debt? all of which has to be underwritten.

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@itsonlyrocknroll

How do you personally see the process of independence evolving?

How about this scenario: the UK does finally manage to negotiate an exit agreement with the EU. The UK agreement doesn't include full single market access or freedom of movement, but it's written in a very flexible way that allows the UK to take up these options within 5 years. The last provision then says that the same terms will be automatically extended to any part of the UK that breaks away in the next 5 years. It would put an independent Scotland outside of the EU initially, but with an instant trade deal. How's that for wild speculation?

Full EU membership would certainly require Scotland to gets its budget under control. A few substantial cuts might not be that hard to sell depending on what the Tories are getting up to south of the border. I think the Euro will not be as scary as it was in the last referendum if the pound stays at historic lows.

I also think Spain is a complete non-issue this time around. The danger for Spain has always been creating a precedent of quick EU access for break away regions. This time, it's the exact opposite. The precedent being created is that your country might break into pieces if you decide to leave the EU. It actually creates a clear distinction between the situation in Scotland and in Catalonia. I think Spain would probably welcome this.

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How do you personally see the process of independence evolving? opinion polls just today show the majority of Scots would support an independence vote up from the 45% in 2014 referendum.

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Government by referenda is a bad idea. Representative government is smarter in the long run. Cameron is a bonehead. You cannot make such a huge decision based on a few percentage points in the heat of the moment. Big questions like these are what political careers are for. They should be one or lost based on more sustained representation.

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Hi M3, Will the UK actually leave? ......The referendum was close, that 48.1% leads me to think otherwise. Could be after a period of refection, taking into account global markets are instinctively wary of the indeterminate, sterling fx on Monday might be a pointer.

Hi wtfjapan Polls are forecasting close to the 60% target that Nicola Sturgeon has set. I an inclined to go with a blocking strategy in the Westminster Parliament though as apposed to a outright push for independence.

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The result on Thursday saw 52% of voters, 17,410,742 people, back a British exit, on a turnout of 72%.

9,053,585.84 exit EU

8,357,156.16 stay EU

696,429.68 votes to exit over votes to stay.

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"Let this be a lesson for Trump supporters."

They've learned lots already. They've learned that the UK held a referendum on the simple question of allowing Muslims into their country and they voted overwhelmingly to keep them out. More sophisticated types identified related issues including a referendum on whether the UK should be PC and finally, an agreement that the left are knobs. The conspiracy theorists went a bit potty trying to decide which way the master puppeteers were trying to influence the outcome but they seemed to enjoy themselves.

Overall, it was very edifying and enjoyable for them. Check out their posts over the last few days.

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....and if the result is still not what the globalists want, then another, and another. Until they get the "correct" result. These people surely have learned from the method of the Eurocrats..

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It's closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

So now a minority is saying it has the right to overturn the will of a majority? Get real.

You want reality ? That's the minority that pays the bills. Pensioners, life-long on-the-dole, and farmers that live on EU benefits (for 'only' 60% of their income) voted out at 70% +. While all those that work and contribute to economy voted remain.

Let the people who want to have another Referendum pay for it out of their own pockets.

They will pay the consequences of Brexit, and a referendum costs nothing in comparison. As you know, the Brexit and cutting contribution to EU will not bring back "£350 million a week" because this budget never existed (as the BBC, the Economist and decently serious media explained from day 1). Another fact is the benefit suckers are mostly UK citizens, and about 3 millions of them that are now enjoying welfare on EU sunny beaches and ski slopes will move back home and come queue at the NHS, public housing office, etc. And when the Polish plumbers and engineers will move back home, that will be less fiscal income for UK.

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@Fizzbit Can you explain the point of your last post? That honestly flew straight past my bat.

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Hope this helps Jizmo,

William Oliver Healey is part of the "English Democrats", who are described as a "fringe, right-wing to far-right English nationalist political party in England." Whatever floats your boat I guess.

He's the one who started the "petition" thinking the Remain vote would win. Looks like it backfired on him. LOL

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/william-oliver-healey-referendum-petition_uk_576f8b28e4b0232d331e1b39

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It looks like senior Labour Party members are moving to get rid of Corbyn quickly.

Johnson v Johnson?

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The idea has been raised by the SNP leader that the Scottish parliament may be able to block the UK exit. This involves something called "legislative consent" which is part of the regulations affecting the devolved parliaments within the UK. There is some information here:

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/06/15/brexit-devolution-and-legislative-consent-what-if-the-devolution-statutes-were-left-unchanged-after-brexit/

I've no idea whether there is any requirement for such consent, but the SNP leader had this to say (from a BBC interview):

"Looking at it from a logical perspective, I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be that requirement - I suspect that the UK government will take a very different view on that and we'll have to see where that discussion ends up."

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Hi presto345, probably not, with respect to the voters with a bugle craniometric handicap, I seriously question the UK's so called political establishment ability to govern.

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coskuri. I have always supported Scotland political independence from the UK.

If this is a means to secure Scotland belief that it has a right to remain as a member of the EU, I am truly sorry, Scotland a is not a member of the EU neither is England, Wales or Northern Ireland, the UK has membership under protocols of the Lisbon treaty. It will be a uphill struggle to meet the criteria to join especially with the political situation in Spain.

If Scotland wants independence from the UK....England, Wales, and Northern Ireland must guide the process politically as well as economically from a position of friendship, and respect. Not threats, intimation, and recrimination.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/25/fears-that-spanish-economic-crisis-will-deepen-as-country-goes-t/

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If there were to be another referendum, I think we'd see rioting in the streets.

We've seen rioting in the streets before, and survived them. That alone isn't enough reason not to do something.

However, calling for a new vote is just bullshit.

I can see that there are some strong arguments for not holding the referendum in the first place, but since it was part of the election campaign last year, and since Cameron's party was comfortably re-elected with the referendum as one of his campaign promises, and since the referendum was conducted fairly, the British people have to accept the result. Trying to rerun the vote until they get a different answer is insane. So is attempting to put the brakes on an actual exit. The vote was to leave, and the UK should leave - if it isn't expelled first.

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@itsonlyrocknroll

Will the UK actually leave? ......The referendum was close, that 48.1% leads me to think otherwise.

I guess anything is possible, but which of the power players do you think has a clear incentive to stop Brexit? By my count, none of them. The European Union really can't afford more accusations that it overturns democratic referendums. It would be absolutely toxic and could spell trouble in other eurosceptic member states. I think many in the EU will want to see Brexit run its course, even if only for a few years. Backtracking on Brexit would also be fatal for a furture PM Boris Johnson and would inevitably lead to huge defections to UKIP. An economic disaster caused by Brexit would be a great opportunity for Labour to get back into power. The average man on the street with a mortgage and a pension has an incentive to see the UK remain, but odds are he voted for Brexit. This is why I'm not optimistic.

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77000 fraudulent signatures have been removed already from this anyone-can-vote-any-number-of-times petition.

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@Joeintokyo Just been reading about that on the BBC website. 4chan are claiming it, the report mentioning something about the perpetrator set up the script then left it running while he went to take a shower!

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Extremely misleading article and emotional presentation, especially without a proper disclosure of exactly who signed the petition. Coming so soon after the actual results, one can even assume that it was already planned and prepared by the opposition by the same people and not by any new participants. In addition there were no actual changes made to actually put the referendum into effect for a realistic evaluation of exactly what and how the British would actually deal with the exit from EU.

The pro- and con- were discussed and debated and the referendum passed to exit the EU, legitimately. Now they must determine exactly how the country will deal with their independence from EU. Work out a plan, a strategy and specific programs to make it work during the so called separation period available. Then and only then would it make sense for a vote, regardless of who becomes the new Prime Minister.

The world had long expected either result and many had "assumed" and expected that Britain "may" still remain with the EU. All EU and other countries had substantial period to plan for either results. Therefore it is NOT a crisis nor is it a disaster. Nor is it a moral or ethical problem.

What effects the world feels from this event is what life brings and we must all deal with as best as we all can. Those who deal with it wisely without presumptions and plan for all contingencies will most probably survive and do much better than those who do do not.

End of event and story.

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It is funny to see how the "remain" advocates a) refuse to accept a popular vote, and b) portray the Brexit as a sort of apolyptic event, when in reality all it is is a country getting out from the yoke of the unelected and increasingly out-of-control imperial super-government in Brussels. The countries who stayed out of this new empire like Switzerland, Norway, and Iceland are incidentally all doing better than the those who accept the Brussels overlords.

But as I as predicted, the globalists will fight tooth and nail to have this referendum reversed, and apparently they find many who swallow their propaganda.

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Need a counter-petition to fight this. =Every vote counts !

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@KnowBetter

Funny that it was mainly the old folks who won't be around to see the mess they voted yes for, the dim witted (lack of education) that have no clue why they really voted yes, the racists which have tunnel vision and the DOLE riders that blame everything on anything but themselves.

That's odd. This assumes that you have an idea about who actually voted. Now how could you have that knowledge?

Referenda, as Nicola the Fish is finding out, don't answer everything, especially when people don't contribute because they can't be bothered. If you can't be bothered to vote then griping about the result afterwards would generally point to you being some sort of idiot. That's what a large number of Scottish people found out the day after their independence referendum and that's what some people are now realising following the EU referendum.

As for your quips about old people and dole claimants, please check your discrimination credentials at the door before you start playing the race card. I know plenty of older folk that despise rascism and all forms of unfair discrimination and more than a few younger folk that are so rascist that they could put the fascist dictatorships of the twentieth century to shame, and dole claimants are people too with just as much of a varied view of the world. Let's see what you would be like on JSA or Universal Credit!

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Funny that it was mainly the old folks who won't be around to see the mess they voted yes for, the dim witted (lack of education) that have no clue why they really voted yes, the racists which have tunnel vision and the DOLE riders that blame everything on anything but themselves.

If the UK can vote this way, one can only imagine what will happen come election day in the US this year.

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The problem now is not Britons referendum,but the coming-for sure-referendum in Scotland,north Ireland and Similar European ones,its Domino.Now Greece problem will be more complicated,Germany alone cant help Greece alone,even though there should be greater power and role for Germany as a leader of EU in return.Now strong voices calling for leaving Europe,no one wanna keep pumping money in troubled economies such as Greece,Italy,Spain and Portugal.We will see wonders in coming years!!

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Let the people who want to have another Referendum pay for it out of their own pockets.

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Does everyone already know this? The petition, started a month ago, was initiated in case the Remain crowd won.

From his FB page

Oliver Healey - English Democrats 4 hrs · CAN I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE!!! Dear All Re: EU Referendum Rules triggering a 2nd EU Referendum petition This petition was created at a time (over a month ago) when it was looking unlikely that 'leave' were going to win, with the intention of making it harder for 'remain' to further shackle us to the EU.

and

I have been opposed to the bureaucratic and undemocratic nature of the European Union as an institution privately for many years and for all of my political career.

not from his FB page

“As a personal opinion of my own devising: I believe it is time that the 7.5million economic migrants who came here to economically enrich themselves and who have failed to integrate should now be returned to their place of national origin.”

The power of the MSM COMPELS YOU!

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Hrm, a referendum where 27.8% of the population did NOT partake a result of 52 vs 48 does NOT show a clear Majority.

If they had a 2/3 result(66%+) for leaving it would be clearer. But 52/48 is not clear.

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Don't you guys tired hearing about Brexit already? At the end of they it is a club made out white peoples who could not even agree among each other....

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most especially London

most especially the central bankers in London

There, fixed it for ya

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