Much of Shanghai locked down as mass COVID-19 testing begins

China began locking down most of its largest city of Shanghai on Monday as part of its strict COVID-19 strategy, amid questions over the policy's economic toll on the country. 

Gee, it seems like the scientists and experts in China feel these lockdowns are the nest strategy to proceed.

Anyone coming on here trying to argue otherwise, well, entertain us and argue with these experts.

But in response to China's biggest outbreak in two years, Beijing has continued to enforce what it calls the “dynamic zero-COVID" approach, calling that the most economical and effective prevention strategy against COVID-19.

As I have been saying.

Don't understand why so strict on this zero covid policy. Looks like china will never open its doors! So sad.

Lamilly - obviously nonsense to say there is no vaccination in Europe. It is the most vaccinated continent.

painkiller - China has widely used the sinovac vaccine which seems to be about half as effective as the mRNA vaccines. I have no idea if what they are doing is best for their situation but doesn’t necessarily mean it is the best approach elsewhere.

Gee, it seems like the scientists and experts in China feel these lockdowns are the nest strategy to proceed.

In the article officials are being named as the responsible, not scientists nor experts. If you read it with care you would have noticed this. Officials also directed Hong Kong to follow this policy with disastrous consequences.

Anyone coming on here trying to argue otherwise, well, entertain us and argue with these experts.

Experts saying the Chinese approach is adequate, not unnecessarily risky and specially not a waste of resources that can cause more problems and deaths than what it saves are completely absent of this article, and also from your comments even when you have been asked repeatedly to bring them. Maybe they do not exist after all.

The previous article about China mistaken approach actually use the opinion of experts, but since they completely disqualify it you have been trying to ignore them, their opinions are still there for anybody to read.

https://japantoday.com/category/features/health/as-virus-cases-surge-can-china's-zero-covid-strategy-hold

Over 2 years and they still haven't realized lockdowns have been essentially useless.

*Over 2 years and they still haven't realized lockdowns have been essentially useless.*

Nobody has, because this is not true, so nobody can "realize" it. Lockdowns are part of the measures that can be effective at interrupting spreading of the infection and can become justifed when the alternative is having countless unnecessary deaths. With the immunity attained thanks to vaccines it has become less and less necessary to use lockdowns, China do not have this luxury thanks to the low vaccination levels of the elderly population.

Over 2 years and they still haven't realized lockdowns have been essentially useless.

Well. It is not just lockdown. It is lockdown and mass testing. Not just one but multiple times per person. Whether it is useless or not is up for debate.

But in response to China's biggest outbreak in two years, Beijing has continued to enforce what it calls the “dynamic zero-COVID" approach, calling that the most economical and effective prevention strategy against COVID-19.

Statistics show that China has had the best success in the world with this policy.

virusrexToday  03:32 pm JST

In the article officials are being named as the responsible, not scientists nor experts. If you read it with care you would have noticed this. Officials also directed Hong Kong to follow this policy with disastrous consequences.

Off topic comment since this article does not mention Hong Kong. If you read the article carefully you will see it mentions Beijing, and reading the headline, Shanghai.

Experts saying the Chinese approach is adequate, not unnecessarily risky and specially not a waste of resources that can cause more problems and deaths than what it saves are completely absent of this article, and also from your comments even when you have been asked repeatedly to bring them. Maybe they do not exist after all.

No, experts call it most economical and effective prevention strategy against COVID-19.

The previous article about China mistaken approach actually use the opinion of experts, but since they completely disqualify it you have been trying to ignore them, their opinions are still there for anybody to read.

If you stayed focus, you will notice the discussion is referring to this current article, not some random past article.

Chinese government cares about its people, more than capitalism.

Statistics show that China has had the best success in the world with this policy.

That is false, again because of the cost in resources and lives. As usual cutting your hand to prevent a finger injury can't be called "best success" even if it prevents 100% of the injuries.

Off topic comment since this article does not mention Hong Kong.

Hong Kong is one example of how China's policy failed, and Shangai is further demonstration of how things can easily escape control even for an autocratic government. Both are failures product of Beijing directions.

No, experts call it most economical and effective prevention strategy against COVID-19.

Sin you again failed to produce any experts that say this this can safely be considered completely false.

Previous articles are perfectly valid references when they completely disprove your points, both are related in the way they show the policy is unsustainable and risky, even if you don't want to recognize it.

virusrexToday  08:01 am JST

That is false, again because of the cost in resources and lives. As usual cutting your hand to prevent a finger injury can't be called "best success" even if it prevents 100% of the injuries.

China has had the lowest number of cases per population and fewest covid related deaths. Can't get any better than that. Can you provide your definition of "better"?

Hong Kong is one example of how China's policy failed, and Shangai is further demonstration of how things can easily escape control even for an autocratic government. Both are failures product of Beijing directions.

Way off topic. China here.

Sin you again failed to produce any experts that say this this can safely be considered completely false.

What other experts can be provided? I have shown experts from China, Australia, the US, ...

Previous articles are perfectly valid references when they completely disprove your points, both are related in the way they show the policy is unsustainable and risky, even if you don't want to recognize it.

Previous articles, and this one support exactly what I am saying and contradict what you are saying.

China has had the lowest number of cases per population and fewest covid related deaths. Can't get any better than that. Can you provide your definition of "better"?

Exactly as in the text you quote only to try to ignore afterwards, not producing more problems and deaths (something perfectly possible according to the evidence from other countries that could do it) and that it does not run the risk of failing spectacularly as it did in Hong Kong and is doing in Shanghai.

Way off topic. China here.

Hong Kong is China, even if it completely disprove what you want to believe. So is Shanghai.

What other experts can be provided? I have shown experts from China, Australia, the US, ...

No you have not, not even once you have provided anyone that recommends the zero covid policy.

Previous articles, and this one support exactly what I am saying and contradict what you are saying.

Completely false, even from the titles it is easy to understand how they completely contradict your personal opinion.

virusrexToday  11:36 am JST

No you have not, not even once you have provided anyone that recommends the zero covid policy.

How about the country of China, as in this article, which you should read first before making baseless, illogical, irrational comments:

*China began locking down*** most of its largest city of Shanghai on Monday as part of its strict COVID-19 strategy, amid questions over the policy's economic toll on the country.**

How about the country of China, as in this article, which you should read first before making baseless, illogical, irrational comments:

Yes, the country of China has already made a disaster with the zero covid policy in Hong Kong, and causing a lot of trobles in Shangai, enough to make the expert question the policy that is failing while taking a huge economic toll, your quote explicitly calls in question the policy and reflects the opinion of the experts, which completely contradict what you believe.

Only 1 death as of March 18 in more than a year.

Much more than 1 death have happened in Hong Kong and in Shanghai, why would you try to misrepresent something that is so clearly evident? It only makes it clear your interest is misleading instead of being correct.

This compares much better with New Zealand and other countries that do not follow this policy, directly proving your ideas as mistaken.

Np other country had China's success.

Causing more deaths all around with the policy than what could be prevented with a more rational approach is not a success. Your own source says so.

Hong Kong, which is facing its worst surge of the pandemic, recorded 16,583 new cases Saturday. The city’s total coronavirus infections exceeded 1 million on Friday, and its number of deaths has already surpassed mainland China's.

virusrexToday  01:46 pm JST

Much more than 1 death have happened in Hong Kong and in Shanghai, why would you try to misrepresent something that is so clearly evident? It only makes it clear your interest is misleading instead of being correct.

Wrong.

1 death.

Read the article and weep---unless you want to fight USNEWS!

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-18/china-reports-2-covid-19-deaths-first-in-more-than-one-year

Wrong.

1 death.

Terribly sorry but Hong Kong is in China, deals with COVID by Chinese orders following the Chinese zero covid policy and using Chinese resources. And it failed spectacularly.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-hong-kong-sar/

Over 7000 deaths in total, and a daily average still over 200.

This completely disproves your explanation and absolutely nothing in your source says this is not true (and much less that lack of control has already spread to other regions, like Shanghai) In fact it is the opposite and clearly mentions the failure of the policy in Hong Kong

I can put the quote again without problems to demonstrate it, from your own source

Hong Kong, which is facing its worst surge of the pandemic, recorded 16,583 new cases Saturday

virusrexMar. 29  05:06 pm JST

Terribly sorry but Hong Kong is in China, deals with COVID by Chinese orders following the Chinese zero covid policy and using Chinese resources. And it failed spectacularly.

As usual, you did not read the evidence used against your argument. In the link in my above post you would see:

Mainland China’s COVID-19 data is counted separately from Hong Kong, a special administrative region.

You want to argue against USNEWS?

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-03-18/china-reports-2-covid-19-deaths-first-in-more-than-one-year

This completely disproves your explanation and absolutely nothing in your source says this is not true (and much less that lack of control has already spread to other regions, like Shanghai) In fact it is the opposite and clearly mentions the failure of the policy in Hong Kong

How does one covid related death in one year in China disprove that the zero covid policy is the best strategy to limit covid infections and covid related deaths?

You have no expert opinions, no scientific data, and no understanding of this basic issue.

Let's see one peer-reviewed paper with a study from a scientific institution that supports your flawed argument.

Waiting for it.

As usual, you did not read the evidence used against your argument. In the link in my above post you would see:

You presented no such thing, so it is not possible to read it.

Mainland China’s COVID-19 data is counted separately from Hong Kong, a special administrative region.

And what part of this is supposed to prove that Hong Kong is not part of China, is not following the Chinese government zero covid policy and using Chinese resources to try (and fail) to control it?

How does one covid related death in one year in China disprove that the zero covid policy is the best strategy to limit covid infections and covid related deaths?

No matter how much you try to ignore the Situation in Hong Kong (and Shanghai) it still proves the policy is prone to failures. The references prove above anything you can personally think that thousands of deaths have happened in spite the policy or (according to the experts of the article linked in the last comments) thanks to it.

There is no need for a scientific paper to prove the thousands of deaths that disprove your personal opinion. You may be confused about when a scientific report is necessary, but in this case the primary souce is the reports of deaths, it is like asking you to link a scientific paper proving that the Hong Kong situation is completely unrelated to the rest of China, except worse because this is obviously not true.

 Shanghai has had relatively few of those cases, with just 47 recorded Saturday.

No one here can argue (successfully) that the zero covid policy isn't effective in limiting infections and covid related cases.

virusrexToday  09:20 am JST

the policy is prone to failures. The references prove above anything you can personally think that thousands of deaths have happened in spite the policy or (according to the experts of the article linked in the last comments) thanks to it. 

Maybe you should advise Shanghai and tell their experts you disagree with them. Of course, you do not have any experts or scientific evidence on your side.

There is no need for a scientific paper to prove the thousands of deaths that disprove your personal opinion. You may be confused about when a scientific report is necessary, but in this case the primary souce is the reports of deaths,

Because you do not have any scientific papers to support you.

No one here can argue (successfully) that the zero covid policy isn't effective in limiting infections and covid related cases.

Anybody that is seeing the current situation in China, and the example of Hong Kong can do it easily, because it shows it failed and is prone to do it again.

Those that also take into account the unjustied costs in resources and lives can also do it because they think the policy caused more problems including deaths in the long term than it solved since it could have been replaced as successfully as New Zealand did.

Maybe you should advise Shanghai and tell their experts you disagree with them.

You have brought no experts to disagree with, in your sources officials are the ones responsible for the policy, and experts are the ones criticizing it.

Because you do not have any scientific papers to support you.

Because they are not necessary, to prove that data collected is such your primary source is the data, in this case the thousands of deaths produced by China's zero covid policy.

For example you also failed to bring scientific sources to "prove" Hong Kong is not China, or that it does not follow Chinese zero covid policy. Acording to your arbritrary standard that proves everything was a consequence of the policy.