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What a witch hunt. The members of the grand jury that handed down this indictment must have been democrats. ROFL. Kudos. Etcetera.

My background in journalism allows me to state with certainty that Mueller has nothing related to Russia. If he did, we would have heard. about it by now. Also, he wouldn't be going off on tangents like money laundering.

I'm tough on crime, but it's ridiculous that Mueller is prosecuting crimes unrelated to Russia. It just shows how corrupt his investigation is.

Only two convictions and two indictments. What a dud of a witch hunt. And a huge waste of money. That money could be better used for Trump to enrich himself while golfing at one of his golf courses.

We really need to cut spending. Unless, of course, it is to pay for Trump's constant leisure travel, to tell a women what to do with her body, build an unnecessary wall, or unecessarily ban citizens of certain countries from traveling to the homeland.

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Right on cue, a soft on crime, crazy, corrupt conservative is providing legal analysis.

Presupposing they know the inner workings of Mueller's investigation to the point they can declare that Mueller is incapable of having anyone plead guilty to collusion with Russia. And, that Mueller is cherry picking obscure laws.

In actually conspiracy cases, when the prosecution builds a conspiracy case, they try to strike plea bargains by having suspects plead guilty to the conspiracy, thus building the case.

Operative phrase: they try to strike plea bargains. The logical inference of not being able to get a plea for conspiracy is not that there was no conspiracy. There are far too many unknown factors to make that leap of logic.

The only thing Mueller was able to get Flynn to plead guilty to was lying, which actually hampers Flynn as a credible witness against Trump anyways.

Only if there is no other evidence (witness testimony and exhibits) that supports Flynn's testimony. Events do not take place walled off from other events.

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But I heard one of the investigators sent mean text messages about Trump to some girl. Shouldn't we throw out all 400,000 emails because of it?

What will get them in the end is lying. Trump Jr. will be next. The guy has changed his story on his Russian meetings so many times it's hard to think he can navigate through his own land mines when Mueller questions him.

Junior also refused to answer questions about the conversations he had with his dad, so now we have both Sessions and Trump Jr. stonewalling any attempts to document Trump's knowledge. All for...cough perfectly legal conversations.

Trump Jr. also coordinated with Wikileaks to release Russian hacking information about Clinton. Roger Stone is in the mix with Wikileaks as well. Good luck to Hope Hicks, she will need it under questioning, but she will pull the same stonewall act.

And of course Flynn lied for no reason since he wasn't hiding anything...just felt like lying that day I guess. That will be believed by the same people who believe Hillary Clinton runs child prostitution rings out of pizza shops.

The only question for Kushner is whether he will be going to the men's or women's prison. I stole that from someone else.

So good luck, Trump and his fans. Smear the FBI until Mueller is fired. Talk about Clinton. Conspiracies. Whatever it is you want. It won't stop Trump's people from going to jail.

MAGA
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400,000 emails and 1 year of investigating and no evidence of collusion at all.

Cool that you know all of the evidence that has been gathered. Care to enlighten us some more. Please... tell us about everything. All of it is public knowledge of course. I mean... we know public knowledge is the only thing investigators deal with.

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What a witch hunt. The members of the grand jury that handed down this indictment must have been democrats. ROFL. Kudos. Etcetera.

My background in journalism allows me to state with certainty that Mueller has nothing related to Russia. If he did, we would have heard. about it by now. Also, he wouldn't be going off on tangents like money laundering.

I'm tough on crime, but it's ridiculous that Mueller is prosecuting crimes unrelated to Russia. It just shows how corrupt his investigation is.

Only two convictions and two indictments. What a dud of a witch hunt. And a huge waste of money. That money could be better used for Trump to enrich himself while golfing at one of his golf courses.

We really need to cut spending. Unless, of course, it is to pay for Trump's constant leisure travel, to tell a women what to do with her body, build an unnecessary wall, or unecessarily ban citizens of certain countries from traveling to the homeland.

Ok, so nothing really special that shows Trump did anything wrong. Time for my Cheerios.

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"Oh! What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

It'll be interesting to learn what Gen. Flynn's been telling Mueller and the other investigators. Stay tuned. This thing's far from over.

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Process charges that the DOJ itself could have brought without a special counsel. Nothing about the election or so called Russia collusion even being charged.

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Tommy Jones you are quite funny.  Not sure if it is black humour, but your statement makes me smile:

My background in journalism allows me to state with certainty that Mueller has nothing related to Russia. If he did, we would have heard. about it by now.

Ermmm, Tommy, he handed over 400,000 separate documents.  Does that not maybe make you think that there might be a tiny bit of truth in there?  Even if 300,000 of them were fake news would not your "background in journalism"  antennae have started twitching?  Possibly something to investigate?  Are you really certain that all 400,000 documents handed over to the defence mean nothing? 

I don't have a "background in journalism" but if I was a defendant and the prosecuter freely handed over 400,000 separate items to the defence counsel I might feel my sphincter tweaking a little.

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Simon: It is humor.

Process charges that the DOJ itself could have brought without a special counsel. Nothing about the election or so called Russia collusion even being charged.

Yet.

Why was a special counsel appointed instead of letting the DOJ bring charges? Oh, that's right, Sessions lied about contacts with Russians and Trump fired Comey because Comey wouldn't drop the investigation into Flynn.

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yes, but how are the charges on Manafort and Gates linked to Trump? Because they were brought by the special counsel that’s out to try to get him as the grand prize of its investigation, that’s it.

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Oh and speaking of Sessions, the FBI just said he did NOT have to disclose those conversations as they don’t meet the criteria to do so:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/case-closed-fbi-says-sessions-didnt-have-to-reveal-russia-talks/article/2642982

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yes, but how are the charges on Manafort and Gates linked to Trump? Because they were brought by the special counsel that’s out to try to get him as the grand prize of its investigation, that’s it.

Mueller's mandate allows him to bring to justice any criminals he uncovers during his investigation. Why are you soft on crime?

Oh and speaking of Sessions, the FBI just said he did NOT have to disclose those conversations as they don’t meet the criteria to do so:

Well, we know from crazy, corrupt conservatives that the FBI lacks all credibility.

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When all know a little but no one knows all, people can still speculate - even those involved. And one can surmise from their actions whether there is anything there or not, and perhaps how big it is.

The Trump Administration is panicking. The GOP establishment is panicking. They wouldn't be in such a frenzy if they didn't sense impending disaster.

My guess: follow the money. And money has all been Manafort's thing.

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L O C K H I M U P !! And several more soon to follow! I'm lovin' it!

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Mueller's mandate allows him to bring to justice any criminals he uncovers during his investigation. Why are you soft on crime?

Yep and he can and will. Bring Manafort and Gates to justice if any of their crimes (which are all unrelated to Trump) deserve such under the law.

Still got nothing to do with Trump.

A question in return. In what way are Manafort and Gates not "individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump"?

They are associated. But their crimes are not. Its like if Trump's limo driver got a speeding ticket in his personal car, you dont blame Trump. Got nothing to do with him when people associated with him do unrelated things.

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Still got nothing to do with Trump

There is literally no way you can know this unless you are part of the investigation.

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Yes, and I am not the one speculating otherwise. My response that it has nothing to do with Trump is because you and the media are speculating (with no evidence) that it does.

See how that works? you speculate something is true with no evidence I can speculate it isnt true with the same no evidence.

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See how that works? you speculate something is true with no evidence I can speculate it isnt true with the same no evidence.

Hmmm . . . No evidence. You sure about that?

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Yep I’m sure. if there were evidence it would have been included in one of the multiple charges brought. It wasn’t.

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Yep I’m sure. if there were evidence it would have been included in one of the multiple charges brought. It wasn’t.

Okay, if you say so.

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Grasping at straws there, Black. Mueller chose to go with Manafort first for a reason. Manafort will either have to spend the rest of his life in jail or cooperate - something he's likely already been given the option of but apparently chose not to do. That makes his recent desperation to get out of house arrest in his multi-million dollar apartment all the more pathetic. We'll see how he reacts when he realizes the reality of what his future quarters will be.

Money. Mueller's following that.

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Speculation is fun for internet debates, but the indictments and guilty pleas are where the real action is.

So far, so good for Democrats and Mueller.

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Grasping at straws there, Black. Mueller chose to go with Manafort first for a reason. Manafort will either have to spend the rest of his life in jail

Even you don't believe that. If Mueller did that, that would be a gross overreach of his powers, but at least Trump could pardon him, so I don't see that ever happening.

Yep I’m sure. if there were evidence it would have been included in one of the multiple charges brought. It wasn’t.

Of course there's nothing there, so how long are we into this investigation? Almost 2 years and with the witch hunt of Mueller's merry Democratic lap dogs, what do they have of Russian collusion on Trump, nothing. Obstruction of Justice, trying desperately hard to find something and still nothing and the left hopes for some nugget. Good luck.

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Even you don't believe that. If Mueller did that, that would be a gross overreach of his powers, but at least Trump could pardon him, so I don't see that ever happening.

This demonstrates perfectly how little crazy, corrupt conservative cupcakes know about the judicial system. Mueller cannot sentence anyone, he can only lay charges. The judge determines the sentence. Kuddos! ROFL.

The rest of the post isn't worth replying to

Of course there's nothing there, so how long are we into this investigation? 

at least as long as the Benghazi nonething burgers lasted.

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The mueller investigation is finished. This guy is so corrupt and a tool of the deep state. No way this goes any further. They're not even investigating, they're just fishing. No different from what Ken Star did.

The man who should be most disturbed by all this is Mr. Mueller, who wants his evidence and conclusions to be credible with the public. Evidence is building instead that some officials at the FBI—who have worked for him—may have interfered in an American presidential election. Congress needs to insist on its rights as a co-equal branch of government to discover the truth.

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The deep state? Surely this is from you're secret unbiased news sources because here in reality you sound like a 9/11 troofer. Oh wait....heh. Never mind.

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Where's your "big news story" anyway? Two FBI agents stating the obvious about the moron in the Oval Office hardly discredits the dirt being dug up on Trump. Even your very own Don Putin is jumping in the fray to defend Trump.

Tax evasion. Guilt by association. Collusion. Lying to the FBI. Historical sex offences. Take your pick but your corrupt imposter is going down. Mueller is the ultimate 24 hour a day relentless, incorruptible cop.

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