Indian comandoes end siege of Mumbai hotel

The gunmen—some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts—clearly came ready for a siege.... Hard to believe a group could organize such a large scale attack without authorities somewhere hearing something, especially as they were so brazen. Its just a bit unbelievable that they could pull this off without their equilavent of their FBI/CIA/homeland security etc hearing something. 119 killed is a shocking number.

Its just a bit unbelievable that they could pull this off without their equilavent of their FBI/CIA/homeland security etc hearing something.

Indeed, a bit like 9-11, isn't it?

Maybe they had help from Indian and/or foreign authorities.

119 killed without regard for who dies.

Supposedly these cowards were rooting out Americans, Brits, and Israelis, presumably because of some grievance with affairs in the Middle-East, but they killed more Indians than anyone from the former group. Amoral a-holes and idiots to boot.

I guess killing Indians is unacceptable but the others are ok? And sabi what are you on about with the " Indian and/or foreign authorities." remark? Always looking for someone to blame but the terrorists themselves. Your muslim brothers mate. They will definitely make this century interesting. One day we'll all have enough and will have to get strick on all of you and stop appeasing because we 'offend' by the profiling. I think it's your brothers doing the profiling.

I don't believe the terrorists are disappointed that they "only" got to murder Hindu's. In fact, whoever orchestrated this attack is probably quite satisfied with the results of this operation. Americans and Brits do make for high profile hostages. I just still don't understand why they didn't search out Israeli passports. Perhaps they have a stereotype that all Israelis travel abroad under false Irish or New Zealand passports.

Your muslim brothers mate. They will definitely make this century interesting.

How do you know Muslims were behind this event? Muslims are usually blamed for these terrorist attacks. But close examination usually reveals that Muslims have been framed. That has been the usual MO of a certain group of terrorists. Unlike the previous century, many people have finally caught on to this deceptive tactic. This century will indeed be interesting.

The poster 'sabiwabi' wrote:

"That has been the usual MO of a certain group of terrorists. Unlike the previous century, many people have finally caught on to this deceptive tactic. This century will indeed be interesting."

But you never name this group.

And by repeatedly neglecting to do so you end up deflecting or diminishing suspicion.

This terrorist event smells - unlike previous violent actions, this involves a high level of training, territorial familiarity, expensive sequence of logistics, detailed planning. W/ all this sophistication, they leave credit cards w/ photos incriminating sources when they should be carrying cash and no ids. Also, they brought most of the arms themselves (auto rifles, grenades) when this would be easily brought in by car. The distinction between this event and placing bombs in a marketplace is astronomical - the first requires high coordination, the latter could be done by a determined group of amateurs. It takes money to set up an operation such as this. And, finally, it takes a high level of training to execute an elaborate sequence of events. Would love to be an investigator on this.

"Muslim militants"

There seem to be a lot of those these days.

Well, I hope they don't take out too many if any hostages with the sharpshooters constantly shooting and the commandos storming the building. Sounds like they're aiming for anything that moves.

sarge: "There seem to be a lot of those these days."

Seems to be about a billion other muslims you never hear anything about because they don't commit crimes like these ones... what's your point? There's a whole lot on Indian military, navy, and commandos in the past couple weeks... should we assume all Indians are commandos? Catch my drift?

Super sharp shooters shooting shots.

I was taken back by all the destruction I was watching when I was seeing the newscasts about the bombings. It's just so unbelieveable to see this. < :-)

The terrorists came by rubber dinghies after hijacking a fishing trawler and beheading the fisherman owner which they used as the mother ship. The attack at Railway station and killing about 100 innocent INDIANS seem to be a decoy attack to divert the ATS (anti-terrorist squad)of mumbai police.They killed the entirre top ATS leadership there. Their main target seem to be the Taj and Tirdent hotels and also may be some guests whom they wanted to take as hostages.They have accomplished their task. They had sattelite phones and constantly contacting karachi which is the headquarters of LET.It seems they had a dry run in 2007 and their target then was BARC the atomic centre of Mumbai. May be this also a dry run for actual attack on BARC. The local elections being on the local politicians and human rights activists always come in to support of the Muslim fundemntalists who give logistics support to LET.

"That has been the usual MO of a certain group of terrorists. Unlike the previous century, many people have finally caught on to this deceptive tactic. This century will indeed be interesting." But you never name this group.

Seems you haven't been paying attention. I have mentioned them many times, but I hate to repeat myself.

"Muslim militants" There seem to be a lot of those these days.

Yes, that often appears in the media. Seems that whenever any Muslim is caught doing something like this, or blamed (falsely) for it, the media make sure to emphasize they are Muslims. But whenever its another group (one in particular), they don't mention their religion. Or if a Muslim does something good, then the headline will be something like "Indonesian saves baby from burning house"!

The poster 'smithinjapan' has written

"Seems to be about a billion other muslims you never hear anything about because they don't commit crimes like these ones... what's your point?"

This got me thinking. If there are so many of them and they are committed to peaceful coexistence with other religions and nations could you reassure us here by quoting a few prominent Mohammedan clerics or local Indian imams who have denounced this barbaric attack?

India has suffered fourteen terrorist attacks by militant Islamists since 9-11...

Sabiwabi:

" How do you know Muslims were behind this event? Muslims are usually blamed for these terrorist attacks. "

Because muslims are always the ones who carry out these terrorist attacks. Who do you expect to attack a Jewish center? Buddhists? Catholics?

Get real. Jihadism is a muslim thing, and India has had its fair share of it. It is not like jihadist terror in India is something new. Remember Ahmedabad just a few weeks ago?

quoting a few prominent Mohammedan clerics or local Indian imams who have denounced this barbaric attack?"

There too busy right now having the UN to push its weight in non-Muslim countries to have blasphemy made illegal..really.

one thing I can say and without a smile, as in many times in the past, groups usually go after other groups in very brutal ways.. I hope the backlash that is to come will be quell quickly, usually kids and women are the ones that get it the worst.

Toofargone: "This got me thinking. If there are so many of them and they are committed to peaceful coexistence with other religions and nations could you reassure us here by quoting a few prominent Mohammedan clerics or local Indian imams who have denounced this barbaric attack?"

Let me answer that with a question: can you, first, go on to list and quote a few of said prominent Mohammedan clerics who condone such attacks? And can you then go on to tell me how many of said prominent people are there in the billion or more Muslims around the world? Evidently you missed my point; sarge was, as he has in the past, somewhat subtly (for him) postulating that people are Muslim are more inclined to be terrorists, or worse yet may have been falling back to his 'all Muslims are terrorists' crap. I was pointing out that of the billion or more Muslims that exist in the world, we here about very, very few, and we only hear about the ones who are criminals, much like we hear about Christian murderers of abortion doctors instead of your average Joe who goes to church every Sunday.

Yes, there are radicals. Yes, there are Muslim terrorists among many terrorist groups in the world. No, by pointing these facts out I am NOT defending what happened in India (before one of you decides to try and pretend something of the sort). Yes, India has suffered a whole hell of a lot, and in particular this time, and I feel absolutely awful for the victims, as well as horror and disgust towards the attackers.

So, again, TooFarGone... tell us how many, if any, prominent Mohammedan clerics have condoned the attack, then go on to tell me how much they make up of the world's Muslim population. After that you'll find that your question doesn't need answering at all, because it has nothing to do with the billion or more peaceful people in the world who share the same religion, any more than all Christians are terrorists/criminals for the acts of Christians who commit heinous crimes against humanity (arguably many current leaders who have done so), which was my point.

Anybody actually stupid enough to come on here and denounce a billion people for the acts of a few is literally that: stupid. The men/women who committed these acts of terrorism, as well as those who helped in the process, they absolutely deserved to be hated and branded as terrorists, because they are. Anyway, you get my point; not all Muslims -- in fact, almost none -- have criminal and terrorist tendencies.

The attack on innocent people is a routine affair of these so called terrorists? What is their demand? Come out in open with their demand and settle the things instead of killing innocent people. Terrorists can’t win or find any solution through such activities. The time is up to suppress such activities at any cost. All likeminded people should come together and fight such terrorist activites irrespective or their language or religion. P V Ariel, Secunderabad, India http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/153819/pv_ariel.html

huge anti-muslim riots and lynchings in India about next week.They have just ensured that innocent Indian muslims will suffer because of their actions.

Osakadaz - As long as the Indian government continues to do nothing about Islamic terrorism, the people will be forced to take these matters into their own hands.

the media make sure to emphasize they are Muslims

Sabiwabi - Good. Let the truth be told.

smitty, I think you are missing a point. What has gotten many nerves is how much the Muslim community has come out and basically scream religious intolerance every time somethings appears to be negative (case in point is 24, they had one episode out of hundreds where the terrorist were typical Caucasians and only one where it showed ME descent). They come out in droves to protest things that haven't yet happened but very few have come out to denounce such actions and there are many, such as the one eyed hook dude in London calling for more attacks. Least not be forgotten, right in Queens and Brooklyn, they have called for cancellation of sporting events, Christmas decorations in public housing, on the streets and very ready to sue at anything they deem offensive and it is cause a lot of problems.

"Anyway, you get my point; not all Muslims -- in fact, almost none -- have criminal and terrorist tendencies."

What we call terrorism a great many Muslims call jihad.

It is one of the pillars of their hate-filled creed.

In case you forgot - after reading your posts I think you never cared - Al Jazeerah polls taken just after 9-11 showed that 49.9 percent of their viewers supported Osama bin Laden.

http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09/11/al-jazeeras-readers-on-911-499-support-bin-laden. htm

Sabiwabi

What are you talking about? If Hindus, then yes, I believe that on a small scale they have tried to stir up trouble and to get Muslims to take the blame, but the vast majority of attacks around the world are one-sided, ie Muslim on Kuffar unbelievers. Politics usually plays a large role. In this case it could be Kashmiri independece fighters who just happen to be Muslim in name but not in truth, and carry an extreme hatred of Indians. (What else? I hope you're not a conspiracy theorist rabbiting on about the World Trade Center.)

But close examination usually reveals that Muslims have been framed. That has been the usual MO of a certain group of terrorists. Unlike the previous century, many people have finally caught on to this deceptive tactic.

not all Muslims -- in fact, almost none -- have criminal and terrorist tendencies.

Pretty hard sell right now. But keep trying smith. There might be some other Muslim apologists out there who will buy it.

not all Muslims -- in fact, almost none -- have criminal and terrorist tendencies." Where I will debate you on this is that I personally feel that all religions, at least the Judeo-Christian ones, seem to desire dominance. The only difference with Muslims is that they are willing to fight for it, where as the Christians types will talk your ear off.

There might be some other Muslim apologists out there who will buy it.

We have gone from "terrorist apologist" to "Muslim apologist". The religion needs no more excusing than Christianity. Frankly, to make such comments puts you in the EXACT SAME HATE LEAGUE as the terrorists you claim to despise. This attitude is most unhelpful to those of us who promote peace.

But there are some people out there who will make any old ignorant excuse to hate and make war. Plenty who crave violence on both sides. I despise them all and excuse none for neither nationality nor religion.

Frankly, to make such comments puts you in the EXACT SAME HATE LEAGUE as the terrorists you claim to despise. " Who says so? I think its the right wing methods they go about their lives that make people feel this way about them.

This attitude is most unhelpful to those of us who promote peace." Seems that most Muslim Don't want peace, they would prefer to have all convert.

The religion needs no more excusing than Christianity" WEll, you do know that Muslim are a very united people. Christians aren't. I do hear of "a" Christian from time to time blowing up an abortion clinic but I have yet to hear of Christians en mass hurting groups and calling for death to non-believers.

As this incidents transpires these next few days, are you going to call the Hindus that are going to seek revenge hate mongers? I would hope you don't.

Analysis:

Two issues come up after reading the news:

1) Even if the terrorists are from a specific geographical location, WHERE did they get the high level training to execute this operation - this answer will reveal the actual forces in play.

2) The operation sequence exhibits a need to execute at a specific time - what event is close at hand that would be beneficial to the terrorists that they would conduct this event now, and not next month. That answer would connote the motives/intent of this operation.

mcheeky

such comments puts you in the EXACT SAME HATE LEAGUE as the terrorists you claim to despise.

Typical leftist hyperbole. Apparently now any criticism of Islam is tantamount to terrorism. :-D

This attitude is most unhelpful to those of us who promote peace.

What's unhelpful to peace is Islamic terrorism that's affected nearly every corner of the globe and on a nearly daily basis. Perhaps that's where your focus should be in promoting peace.

There may be some readers asking, "what high level training is needed?".

This sounds horrible, but watch the second half of the movie, "Tomorrow Never Dies", where weapons selection is shown, then targeting, logistics - mapping a course, payment to secure a mothership, planning to approach target, etc..... These types of operations require various skills which require professional training.

SmithJapan:

" Yes, there are radicals. Yes, there are Muslim terrorists among many terrorist groups in the world. "

So can you name some of all these non-muslim terrorist groups in the World? Come one, it should be easy, considering you think there are so many.

Fact is, Islam is the only religion that considers war on the unbelievers a holy obligation, and even has a name for it ... jihad. (Which we misleadingly call terrorism.)

As the death toll rises the chances of President-elect Obama repealing Bush administration FISA accords drop precipitously.

Will he get his nat'l security pointman, Bush appointee Robert Gates, to tell his increasingly disappointed fan base, or will he be man enough to do it himself?

Should be interesting.

This is a terrible situation in India.

Black Flag:

" Colombia, Peru, Sri-Lanka, Ireland, Greece, Israel, Peru, Spain all have active non muslim terrorist groups "

If you leave out the communists, all you have are a couple localized indepedence movements (Tamil Tigers, Basques, etc.). That is nothing compared to the world-wide islamic jihad.

Come one, where is the world-wide, say, Catholic or Buddhist jihad, with terrorists blowing planes and busses and schools and killing infidels to shouts of "Buddha is great"?

mcheeky: This attitude is most unhelpful to those of us who promote peace.

You weren't promoting peace. Your focus was mostly on the actions of the US military and linking it to the terrorist cause. For you the attacks were just a platform to speak about your dislike for the US. Now that it looks like the US won't be a candidate for your root cause analysis, you've ended all speculation.

...bout time to move on?

Fun new twist for those trying to link the attacks to US policy. Latest reports say ships were involved and have been traced to Pakistan. Good luck with that new angle, whatever it may be.

skipthesong:

" not all Muslims -- in fact, almost none -- have criminal and terrorist tendencies. "

Islam is more than a "religion", it is a civilization, a form of government. And not one that you would want to live under. The word "islam " means "submission", and muslims are obliged to wage war on unbelievers until the whole world is submitted under islam.

That is a profound difference to other religions, which don´t have such a concept.

That most nominal muslims are not jihadists is a given. But that does not make islam like "all other religions". The jihadist messages as promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood, by Bin Ladin, by Zarkawi et al speaks to muslims, not to Christians or Buddhists. And some muslims will always follow it.

As long as the Indian government continues to do nothing about Islamic terrorism, the people will be forced to take these matters into their own hands.

What do you suggest they do? I read a lot of posts about how leftists don't understand the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalism, but none proposing a course of action in response. Is that a tacit admission that this is not a problem with a military solution? The "war on terror," now in its seventh (?) year has become a considerable drain on the US economy with no end game in sight.

The concept of "jihad" was resurrected after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The US, which viewed the invasion entirely through the prism Cold War geopolitics, did not see this as an alarming development since it was directed against the Soviets who wanted remake Afghanistan in the model of the Muslim Central Asian republics, incidentally very quiet places today. Islamic countries were in fact seen as our natural allies since their strong faith meant they would never be snookered by "godless communism."

Back to the present, it looks like an improvement in Indian-Pakistan relations, which was to be a centerpiece of Obama's foreign policy and one backed by David Petreaus, is dimming as a result of this incident. This is not good. We needed the Pakistani government to shift its attention away from an almost obsessive focus on India and toward its Northwest Frontier, where the Taliban and perhaps Osama bin-Laden are holed up. This should always have been our area of strategic focus, Iraq was a diversion from the point of view of US security, and a costly one at that.

skip: "Seems that most Muslim Don't want peace, they would prefer to have all convert."

I'm not going to get into a big thing with you here again, skip, but tell me how conversion automatically equal war.

WilliB: "Fact is, Islam is the only religion that considers war on the unbelievers a holy obligation,"

Wrong-o, my friend. Bush was quoted as saying that he was in Iraq on instructions from God, which makes it a holy obligation, and at least one major general during the whole Iraq debacle said the US is doing 'god's work'. A simple example of how another religion makes war in its name and declares that 'they are in the right'.

In fact, your whole premise for arguing is quite ironic; you have basically stated in not so many words that Muslims are the reason for war and hate, and haven't disagreed with people who in the past have stated that Islam should be wiped out. Now, do tell me how the elimination of a billion of the planet's people is 'peaceful', since you say that my opposition to automatically hating Muslims based on the acts of an extremely small percentage is tantamount to making war and hate, etc. Quite funny to listen to such 'logic'.

"So can you name some of all these non-muslim terrorist groups in the World? Come one, it should be easy, considering you think there are so many."

Sure, but as soon as I do, don't do what most posters of your ilk do and immediately cease to reply to a thread or comments because you were called up on and proven the fool by your challenge:

LVF (Loyalist Volunteer Force): splinter group from the Ulster Volunteer Force, which I believe had links to the IRA. There's also the Orange Volunteers, Saor Éire, and several other splinter groups. Shall we include the Ulster groups and IRA themselves?

FARC: Do I need to explain? Well, given your background and credibility with comments, I guess I do. I'll simply say, though, see COLUMBIA.

NLA (Ejercito Nacionel de Liberacion): a group with a strong Orthodox Marxist background, also operating in Columbia.

Shining Path: Peruvian terrorist organization. Based on Maoism.

UNLF: Insurgent group in India... not at all Muslim.

Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front: A group in Turkey... again, not Muslims.

Revolutionary Struggle: Greek paramilitaries known for terrorist attacks on American embassies and Greek government buildings.

NPA (New People's Army): splinter group of the larger Communist Party of the Phillipines, both of which base their guerilla warfare tactics on a 'protracted struggle for the people'.

The ATTF: Another Indian terrorist group that is non-Muslim, but wants independence.

Aum Shinrikyo: If I need to explain this one to you on a Japanese site, you really do need to stop posting, period.

GRAPO: Spanish terrorist group.

Kach: A far right political party in Israel. They tried to get into the Knesset and failed. Now banned outright and considered a terrorist organization by the UE, US, and many other countries. Yes, terrorists from Israel!

Tamil Tigers: Sri-Lankan terrorist group.

PKK: Kurdish 'freedom fighters'.

Okay, you catch my drift? I can name a couple dozen more non-Muslim terrorist organizations if you like, but since you asked for only 'a few' in what you thought was some sort of challenge, I'll be glad to teach you a little lesson in actual politics any time you choose.

As I said, and I have said before. The people who carried out these attacks are scum, and definitely terrorists; but anyone who is so quick to condemn an entire belief system based on a few bad apples... and they are indeed but a very, very few, you are complete fools in denial. Blame the people who did it, and those who helped them: blaming an entire system and entire 'culture' (in your words) is the kind of stuff that only encourages the real terrorists to fight in their 'defense'.

Helter_Skelter: "Typical leftist hyperbole. Apparently now any criticism of Islam is tantamount to terrorism. :-D"

Nope... any signs of hatred based solely on ignorance is tantamount to what the terrorists proclaim they are fighting for, which puts people like yourself in the same league when you spout nonsense about an entire billion people based on a mere few. That's what mcheeky was pointing out: your hatred may not be based in Islam, but your hatred of Islam based on the acts of a few is no different.

TooFarGone: "Fun new twist for those trying to link the attacks to US policy. Latest reports say ships were involved and have been traced to Pakistan."

What's even funnier is people who have come on here and try to fob off some of the blame for this on the FUTURE American President Obama! At least you can claim some links to US actions in the ME, although they would be somewhat false and tenuous at best, but trying to blame a man who hasn't even taken office yet? Funny...

TooFarGone: "It is one of the pillars of their hate-filled creed."

More and more I find your name to be completely apt; Islam's creed, and the beliefs of Muslims in general, are not hate-filled any more than your automatic hatred of them (and, sorry, but assuming 1 billion people hate based on the acts of a few is a valid form of hatred and no better than what you proclaim to be against).

You remind of a funny joke I heard, or was it a Republican and not a joke, where a man said, "I hate all extremists in the utmost, and they should all be shot".

What do you suggest they do? I read a lot of posts about how leftists don't understand the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalism, but none proposing a course of action in response

Arrest them they don't care about the country they where born in.

Pretty simple Betz

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smithinjapan:

" Islam's creed, and the beliefs of Muslims in general, are not hate-filled any more than your automatic hatred of them "

Sorry, you are only demonstrating your ignorance. The Koran (especially the later, Medinan verses) are chock-full with hatred against the infidels, and the Sira and Haddiths give plenty of ammunition for jihadism. Which you would know if you had done your homework.

The real problem with islam is that it remains stuck with the dogma that the Koran and Mohammed must not be criticized, in the same way that e.g. the Bible is. That is why there is no solution in sight for jihadist terrorism.

I would strongly advise you to read up on the topic before putting more egg on your face.

smithinjapan:

" Wrong-o, my friend. Bush was quoted as saying that he was in Iraq on instructions from God, which makes it a holy obligation, and at least one major general during the whole Iraq debacle said the US is doing 'god's work

'. "

Again, showing your ignorance. Firstly, Bush is no religious authority, and secondly the quote is supposed to come from an aide to Abbas and is not substantiated, i.e. bogus.

As to your litany of Marxist terror groups, sure we know about that. Please note that Marxism is recognized as a danger and not defended as an "ideology of peace" with a few "misunderstanders".

Please do your homework before commenting here.

Just a small point, but I heard one of the Indain reporters state that the terrorists were armed with 'AK-47's (no shocker), Sten guns and grenades. Stens were a light 9mm submachine gun produced by Britain and Commonwealth nations in the Second World War. Meant to be an extremely cheaply produced weapon, they were very unreliable prone to jamming and misfiring. The point is that many have pointed to this being well-planned and funded. True to an extent, but if I were funding and planning an operation and was as sophisticated as some of these groups have proven to be, I wouldn't have chosen an unreliable cheaply made sixty-some odd year old weapon likey last used in the Indo-Pakistani War of '71. AKs are as seemingly plentiful as sand in most of these nations - if this were truly so well-funded and sophisticated then why that choice? Small thing, but the truth is in the detail.

Tigermoth:

How much planning and sophistication does it really take to attack a couple of hotels and a Jewish center and kill as many Westerners and Jews as possible? Seems to be that apart from agreeing on a time, this does not need all that much sophistication, if the participants are willing to die. And jihadis certainly are.

As for the "sophisticated and well-planned", I think that is the Indian government, which would love to be able to pin this on Pakistan, instead of having to face the unpleasant reality of home-grown jihadism among its own 15% muslim population.

The number of Muslims around the world who are terrorist, compared to the numbers of Muslims period so minute, it's just that there actions are so horrendous. I'm not trying to trivelize anything that has happened here, but they are trying and succedding at getting the media attention that they want. These few have decided to find some way of getting their level of attention, no matter what it takes.

I was surprised that they are saying that they believe these terrorists are British citizens. I guess they found it easier to go about putting together their plans for destruction and murder in India VS Britain.

I can't stress how glad I am that the FBI/CIA/ and other agencies who protect our country do as well as they do around our country and interests. < :-)

adaydream

The number of Muslims around the world who are terrorist, compared to the numbers of Muslims period so minute

Even if only one percent of Muslims were radicalized terrorists, that would still be about ten million. So your comparison provides little reassurance.

Well Helter_Skelter I'm not going to criminalize a religion.

Can you agrue that the main ideology of Muslims as you see the religion as being peaceful...or do you see the religion as being against Christanity period?

I agree that these particular Muslims that attacked the Taj Hotel and all the other areas, these last 48 plus hours, are terrorist and are murdering and destroying to get their attention made and to press their agenda.

I just don't say that Muslims and their religion are bad. < :-)

To Tigermoth:

I believe more info will be released in the coming days, and it should be coming from the Indian Govt. There is more to the operation than what is being reported, but it is best for the appropriate authorities to release it.

For your own interests, it may be instructive to pretend you are the "mastermind" to this operation, and step-by-step go thru the steps to implement what the terrorists did. It had to done w/ perfect execution every step of the way, and it had to be implemented on a strict schedule. Calculate how much cash you need and how many phone calls it would require to procure all necessary parts.

I have been on high alert for the last few days from unusual increased electronic pressures, so when I read the terrorist act, my mind was whirrrring at breakneck speed. The pressure activates my mental processes.

BTW, the NSG Commandos got the job done and many people are impressed. Any one of them could be a potential "James Bond".

apec, with all that planning are you saying it was the non-existant Al-Quaida? Some would really argue with you that they don't exist and that all muslims are really nice people when we know that at least 99% of the billion are.

Helter: "Even if only one percent of Muslims were radicalized terrorists, that would still be about ten million. So your comparison provides little reassurance."

Fortunately, you cannot prove that there is even one percent of the religion that is terrorist, whereas it can be proved by the number of people engaged in such acts that it is less than 0.00001 percent, or something like that. By your rationale, a HUGE number of Irish are terrorists, Sri-Lankans, etc. I really don't want to have to point out how many non-Muslim terrorist groups there are out there again, and to subsequently point out your folly in labelling all Muslims as terrorists (or potential ones, anyway).

Arrest them they don't care about the country they where born in.

Then you've reduced it to a criminal matter, which many people view it as, negating the need for a "war on terror" that, by very definition, cannot be won since terrorism is a tactic.

I don't want to make light of the event, but when I saw those elite NSG Commandos drop down from helicopters, it reminded me of the Ninjas in the movie, "You Only Live Twice". Very dangerous.

Those terrorists failed big time, and some of us know it. They were going kill many more innocent people, and only one group of guys stood in their way, the NSG. This is the stuff of movies.

My apologies to the numerous other Indian commands involved, but I primarily was fascinated w/ the swift counteroffensive of the NSG.

According to this article:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20081130-00000000-cnn-int

the group was planning to kill 5,000 people, and the authorities are looking for some attackers who managed to escape and may be hiding in Mumbai.