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We're all screwed when they get a working nuke delivery system. They'll be extorting money and aid in exchange for promising not to nuke us. And, I wouldn't doubt Kim would push the button if he's old or terminally ill.

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Don't know what China is thinking, supporting the DPRK. Beijing is a LOT closer to DPRK than Washington, DC is.

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Well at least Abe now knows the feeling of a country being armed while not wanting it to be armed........

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Given that China is the only real leverage the West, South Korea and Japan have left over the outlaw regime in Pyongyang, you'd think the Abe govt would now get the message and mend fences with the South Koreans and the Chinese. China is loathe to act for fear of being overrun with North Korean refugees, but if push came to shove would probably slaughter those fleeing the North as they crossed the Yulu River, perhaps even pushing south as they did during the Korean War. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

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The combined militaries of South Korea, Japan and the US would dismantle the regime of North Korea so quickly they would barely know what happened. Then, the true loyalties of each soldier would be really tested - would they desert? Would they attempt a coup? Would they try and fight?

My suspicion is that most North Koreans would not support the Kim regime if they had other options. The minute North Korea fired a long range nuclear warhead at another country would be the death warrant for the Kim regime.

I think they know that too.

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"Don't know what China is thinking, supporting the DPRK. Beijing is a LOT closer to DPRK than Washington, DC is."

Take a look at anotherexpat's post. It seems China wouldn't oppose the unlikely event of Korean unification either provided the US military wasn't stationed on the border. Abe must work with the Chinese to have any chance of influencing the mad regime in Pyongyang.

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NK's activity was the perfect way to stimulate the economy! A giant redistribution of wealth. Millions spend on deploying the military in case the rocket goes for Tokyo, then millions will be spent to stand down. What a farce. It isn't just the movement of military equipment and personnel. It is a matter of supplying the military in an area, etc. Does anyone believe all the personnel eat, sleep and relax on military property during "the crisis at hand?' Where did the rocket go? South of Okinawa. A lot of good the deployment did for the safety of people in Tokyo!

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I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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The Chinese are using North Korea as a destabilizing influence with little risk to them. N Korea is their proxy yet China can deny responsibility. China, the would be regional hegemony is as corrupt as they come.

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We must now REALLY wag our finger at NK and that should scare them plenty into stopping their evil actions. The UN sanctions aren't much more than that.

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China seems to be unable to stop Kim and China is the last country that NK wants to piss-off.

Without China's help NK would be worse off than it already is and if the NK regime becomes unstable all the refugees that will flee NK will end up in China's lap and that is something they do not want to deal with.

Here is a prime opportunity for Abe to improve relations with China, consult with the Chinese on what sanctions or action to take as well work in conjunction with SK too. Between the three countries just maybe something constructive could occur.

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Jimizo: Take a look at anotherexpat's post.

Which part of his/her post?

China already deals with DPRK refugees. It can station a lot more troops along the border if it has to.

In referring to the proximity of Beijing and North Korea, I was pointing out the unsafeness of harboring a homicidal maniac with nuclear-tipped missiles close to China's borders. DPRK's launch site at Sohae is 709 km / 441 miles to Beijing.

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why did we not shoot it down?

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why did we not shoot it down?

Seems NK's lauch was accurate and successfully denied shooting opportunity to her neighbors (!)

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"“We absolutely cannot allow this,”

Shame you have no tight to dictate other countries rules. Try following them yourself, first.

Shonanbb: imagine the blow back when the weapons Japan is spending your kids' future on miss. Better to just threaten with, deploy, and not use but say you MIGHT use it, and say you have no proof it won't work? Besides, they have no proof it was not a satellite, despite suspicions, and if they shoot that down it gives NK FAR more ammo to demand things and accuse others of this and that.

Find out if it failed or not, first. If it did not but disappeared from satellite tracking then we aren't in trouble.

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North Korea is only an excuse for the US arming Japan and South Korea. Like Abe nationalism, protected and supported by Washington.So America can sell weapons, yeah!

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Well, as of this moment, they're on DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION!

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Alex80: "North Korea is only an excuse for the US arming Japan and South Korea. Like Abe nationalism, protected and supported by Washington.So America can sell weapons, yeah!"

Here we go again. Yeah, Alex... North Korea, the US, and Japan all have a secret agreement and the latter are helping NK develop its nuke program so they can further establish a Japanese military, change the Constitution, etc. Then they're all heading to Kim's house later for a drink and a laugh that we fell for it! You got them, Alex! I.m just surprised you didn't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq!

In any case, if this is, as you say, all an excuse for the US to sell weapons, why is Japan building more itself, for domestic use and for weapons sales, in competition? Oops!

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The combined militaries of South Korea, Japan and the US would dismantle the regime of North Korea so quickly they would barely know what happened.

This is probably true but I think South Korea's biggest fear has always been that 24 million North Koreans would start making their way to the DMZ in search of food aid if the regime ever collapsed.

The military personnel who run the power stations, the farms, the railways, and everything else in the country might just abandon their posts and try to mingle with the civilian population if the regime falls (see Iraq). The country would descend into chaos.

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"We absolutely can't allow this", said Abe. So, whatcha gonna do about this, you clown?

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If we look at this objectively, Japan and America are far more of an existential threat to NK than the other way around.

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"We absolutely can't allow this"

Allow what ? Other country to send a satellite ? Only Japan has the right to send satellite in Asia ? Once again, unless they have some evidences what we do not know, just spreading wrong information, they are all about claiming it is a missile on TV but cannot prove it. So far, it went to space, and so far it did not explode, so far it is a rocket and not a missile.

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This is just like watching a movie. Wait, let me get the popcorn. Part II coming as it was just announced in "BreakingNews.com" that a 5th test is planned very soon.

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Thats prove Abe Shinzo is absolutely right when he asks for changing constitution.N.Korea will do nothing,we get used to these heroic announcements decades ago.I never took it seriously,even China will never allow it,let alone international community.Japan has all potentials to be super power,all they need is to reconsider all OUT OF DATE articles in constitution.

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How about EVERYBODY getting rid of nuclear arms - including the U.S.A!

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Alex80FEB. 07, 2016 - 04:46PM JST North Korea is only an excuse for the US arming Japan and South Korea. Like Abe nationalism, protected and supported by Washington.So America can sell weapons, yeah!

Insanities from the radical left.

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M3

This is probably true but I think South Korea's biggest fear has always been that 24 million North Koreans would start making their way to the DMZ in search of food aid if the regime ever collapsed.

The military personnel who run the power stations, the farms, the railways, and everything else in the country might just abandon their posts and try to mingle with the civilian population if the regime falls (see Iraq). The country would descend into chaos.

Agreed M3. The collapse of the regime WILL likely create a full blown humanitarian crisis but for some reason I imagine it to be quite ordered PROVIDING South Koreans, Japan, China, the US are ready to go with the kind of aid it will take to manage the situation. It will be full on. I dunno, I hope they get it one way or the other - I feel very sorry for your average North Korean. To be subjected to that completely insane family for 3 generations is so cruel.

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How about EVERYBODY getting rid of nuclear arms - including the U.S.A!

And just how do you propose this in a realistic way? You can wish and dream for Utopia but reality is this aint gonna happen.

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Is Japan going to stop launching rockets as a protest?

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I still laugh when I think about how the NK media published KJU's "honor" when The Onion named him as sexiest man on Earth.

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I still laugh when I think about how the NK media published KJU's "honor" when The Onion named him as sexiest man on Earth.

Hey, he surpasses even Don Putin when it comes to moobs in the sexy Diktator dept.

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I know I am right. :)

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So much for sanctions and red lines. Backing down from a bully will lead to so much more than just the loss of lunch money.

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shonanbb: why did we not shoot it down?

Shot down it might land on something instead of reaching orbit. Also it probably wasn't close enough to shoot.

Also the Defense Ministry PAC-3's are on the north side of the building in Tokyo, they'd have to go through the building to hit a missile over Okinawa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

Operational range

PAC-3: 20 km against ballistic missile[14]

PAC-3 MSE: 35 km against ballistic missile[15]

Flight altitude 79,500 feet (24,200 m)

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There has been a lot of assistance from China, and maybe even Russia. Communist countries enjoy causing stress and problems in 'free' countries. America may be as phony as a concrete tennis ball, but she's trhe best hope we've got to keep the Commies at bay.

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" i nkow not what weapons WWIII will be fought with, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones," - Albert Einstein

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turbotsat: Also it probably wasn't close enough to shoot.

Because, according to this launch trajectory graph predicting older DPRK orbital launches, when the rocket was above Okinawa, 1493 km from the launch site, it was already 500 km high. The max PAC-3 range is 35 km.

Seoul is 300 km from the launch site and the rocket was still too high at that point, around 250 km high, according to the graph.

http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/legacy/assets/images/nwgs/unha-2-3-trajectories.jpg

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