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N Korea says it is open to new dialogue on nukes

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See? You keep itchy hands off of triggers and wait, and back they come. You give into the rhetoric, like many seemed to want, and it's war. Now let's see where it goes from here. Either way, NK is clearly desperate.

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North korea is back on the dialogues/discussion path. Good for all .

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yeah, until they get more cash, then they'll be back to their old charming selves

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i really hope no one will pay them or give them what they want this time.

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I'm also hoping no one gives into the demands of NK, for once. If everything goes according to original script, NK will demand more money in aid in exchange for "total disarmament" yet again. We pay more money to them, and all's well until they need more, and so they will start launching more "test missiles", and the cycle starts over again. The only way to break this viscious cycle is to NOT pay NK anything.

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I dont mind give food if we can asure that the food reach the starving norht koreans. But we dont give a regular "donation" of oil, blackmail is unacceptable. If the ruling elite want oil, they have to ask to their benefactor China.

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NK isn't back yet. They are pushing for bilateral negotiations with the US alone and that's not going to happen. In the first place such negotiations leave out SK. That's obviously stupid. Without China at the table nothing can happen anyway. Japan and Russia might not be as important but they do have an interest in the outcome. So Obama says that the six party talks are the only way. Sounds like things are still stuck but the pipsqueak is looking for a way to blame somebody else.

I'm amused by the way that NK is saying it is the fault of some members of the six parties that the NK people are starving. Does this mean they have given up on guche? The dear little leader can't rain manna from heaven? Oh dear!

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So ew repeat tjhe same old routine. Maybe we should call their bluff for a change and tell them they missed their chance for dialogue and suggest we're really thinking of invading them. They like talking about "war" so much because hey're not afraid of it.

You give into the rhetoric, like many seemed to want, and it's war.

smith, you're the only one who swallows their rhetoric and actually believes their perpetual threats of war. When are you going to understand that NKorea isn't capable of starting any war and even if they were, China would never allow it?

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ossan> totally agree....the rest of the wprld should just ignore NK....then lets see what other rubbish excuse they can use to threaten others again. Their regime are just a bunch of cowardly schoolyard bullies and the best way to deal with such people is to ignore them and starve them the attention they so patethically seek (This biliateral dialogue "offer" just epitomises this). Until NK apologises fully for its recent actions and comes to the 6 party talks as an equal then no energy should be wasted on such idiots.

....and yes, this policy would mean that the NK people will be even worse off in the short term but has this current (intermitant)cycle of appeasement actually been of help to them and their daily lives?

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NK wants nukes???? I say we give them some {;o)}

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North Korea said Monday that it is open to new dialogue to defuse tensions over its nuclear weapons program in what appeared to be a call for direct talks with the United States.

Hope the President rejects this offer. We must force them onto the table under our terms any not theirs.

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To put it bluntly, the people who are trying to engage North Korea over the nuke issue should not be run around by Pyongyang Elvis and his cabal of goons. Earlier this month, North Korea was rattling its (rusty) saber at everybody, threatening doom and destruction. Now they want to talk. Scrxw that!! Let then swing in the wind for a while: no aid, no discussions, no indulging this country that acts like a spoiled brat.

Let's just see how serious North Korea are on the whole host of unresolved issues, not just the Nuke question.

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OssanAmerica: "smith, you're the only one who swallows their rhetoric and actually believes their perpetual threats of war. When are you going to understand that NKorea isn't capable of starting any war and even if they were, China would never allow it?"

Sigh... this is the same kind of putting words into others mouths that got you changed from OssanUltra to your current handle. I said, "You give into the rhetoric...", which is to say you 'go into NK and kick ass' like some people seem to want (ie. war), and of COURSE you're going to get war. Hence, I followed it with the belief that people should just sit it out and not give into the bombast (or either side, if that helps clarify things for you, since you need it).

I agree that China won't 'allow' them to go to war, but if China goes against them or they simply realize they don't have China even as a friend anymore, and Li'l Kim wants to go out with a bang... well... it's possible that it could happen. I don't think that in any way warrants giving in to their demands, nor do I necessarily think they'll start a war without direct provocation.

It's high time you stopped reading into things what you WANT to read, and simply read and comment on what people actually wrote.

timorborder: "Now they want to talk. Scrxw that!! Let then swing in the wind for a while: no aid, no discussions, no indulging this country that acts like a spoiled brat."

I don't see why just 'talking' is a bad thing. Indulging? no way, and definitely not until they ACTUALLY give up their programs. But I can see talking, if only to say, "We're busy and will get back to you later". :)

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I saw we engage them in bilateral talks. If it doesn't pan out then it's one less option they can point to.

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Because they grabbed up a couple of journalists and sent them to hard labor. Barganing chips anyone?

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Ossan: "But YOU give in to NKorea's rhetoric that if they don't get their way then it will mean war. I repeat, nobody but YOU actually believes their threats of war."

That's not what I said. I said if you give into the rhetoric some people are tossing around, suggesting it would be better just to wipe out NK. A tough one for you to understand, evidently.

"So then I've take it that you can stop with your chicken little "we have to be nice to NKorea or they will start a war" ranting?"

Awww... really got you all riled up, eh? So now name calling is your only argument, 'Ultra'? Anyway, I never said if you don't give in to NK it would mean war. I said it's a possibility that when backed into a corner they might lash out, that Kim might want to go down in a 'blaze of glory', and the notion that if NK is attacked they won't fight back is ludicrous. If you want to extend that to mean that I said it's if you don't give into their every word, that's your problem and inability to read, not mine. Plenty of others have mirrored the same 'blaze of glory' sentiment, only you seem to twist the words and say I said something else. Hell, just around the time your name was magically 'messed up and the password lost' (funny, mine was still there. And just a point, people don't change their name to another so obvious one when they are deleted and have to make a new one; still means their account was deleted -- or messed up. I never said you were trying to hide), you were constantly saying how I always support NK and couldn't come up with an ounce of proof when asked, stating only, "I can't be bothered to look back...", etc. etc.

So again, after you cherry-picked my comment, "Good. That's all you have to say about that. So then I've take it that you can stop with your chicken little "we have to be nice to NKorea or they will start a war" ranting?"

As I said, it's up to China to do a lot of this, and you have repeated China "won't allow" a war. And yet oddly enough when I said the US and SKorea are kow-towing to China (back when they didn't agree to Japan's sanctions), and that they would continue to HAVE TO depend on China, you got all upset about that, too.

Ah, well... you simply see things as you want them to be seen.

I'm happy NK is dropping some of their bogus rhetoric and that no countries panicked too much and did anything rash. I hope that the US won't give them anything, or promise to do so, until NK takes some MAJOR steps towards denuclearization first, and allows it to be monitored. After that, they can go back to the table and talk about what's NEXT.

Read my first post on this thread; I said that it was a pretty far cry from what they were saying even the day before yesterday and yesterday itself, and a signal that they're very desperate. That was brought about by people ignoring NK's threats, as they should, and I'm happy no one followed the cries (ie. 'rhetoric') of more than a few posters on here to go in and bomb the place.

Sweet dreams, friend.

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When you are able to actually write something and say something, rather than attenpting to win arguments by sheer typing volume, let me know.

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Just my opinion, but I like the way things are going. Some interesting outcomes are around the corner. I really want to see how this turns out.

Look at other things that are making the news, and you can see that North Korea is really getting desperate. I have seen weird things like Beer commercials and fast food restaurants being publicized in Pyongyang recently. They are trying to suck in the doves any way they can. The hawks are supposed to be wiping the sweat off of their brows at being back from the brink... here we are, ready to offer an olive branch to the great leader. Yeah, right. haha

If I were Hillary, I would just go counter on them. Playing YES with them goes nowhere. Agreements get broken, aid gets stolen, nukes get built, and the threats come again. If there is no agreement, then it all drags on. NO is the way to succeed with these people. Hillary is right, it is not like they have friends. They want to hurry things along? Let em sweat, then let them starve through winter. It is still their move. They have not done anything meaningful. Oh. I guess listening to them cannot hurt, but what is there to negotiate? This has all been going on for decades.

It is downright goofy. How can you bluff if everyone knows you are bluffing? This pathetic little Albania of a country wants to get the US to wring concessions from Korea and Japan? Again? Brinksmanship is all they have left, and even that is not credible anymore. War was actually not the regime's worst case scenario, I think. If Hillary plays this right, I think that North Korea is seriously cooked this time.

Let me go out on a limb, knowing that the two journalists are Al Gore connected, Kim will eventually be compelled to release them as a goodwill gesture aimed right at Hillary. Hillary might throw a bone to Kim, who is basically a lame duck because of his health, but I doubt it. Before winter, he will name an unexpected son as his successor. He is feinting that he will choose his youngest son, but that is a flea-flicker. My feeling is that after Kim is actually dead, negotiation will begin again in earnest. The new regime, confronted by famine and ambitious enemies, will need external allies... and so the DPRK monolith will crumble, slowly at first, but things will look very different a year from now. South Korea can drive some serious bargains in there if it looks sharp.

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Nobody takes any notice of you Kim you evil silly sausage. Why not stay in and iron your jimmy jams and stop saying you will do things that you won't.

Grrrr, N Korea make me so cross!!!!

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Conclusion: Countering NK's threats (missile tests) by increasing sanctions does work.

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I agree with most posters, leave NK out to dry. Hopefully in any event SK will eventually get the reigns of NK and we'll all be happy... Gonna be a LOOONG wait.

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said it's a possibility that when backed into a corner they might lash >out, that Kim might want to go down in a 'blaze of glory',

NKorea doesn't have the capability or the permission from China to "lash out" at anything. And the same goes for your "blaze of glory". That is exactly the rhetoric that emanates from NKorea that they want everyone to believe, and frankly,you;re the only one left who still believes it.

As I said, it's up to China to do a lot of this, and you have repeated >China "won't allow" a war. And yet oddly enough when I said the US and >SKorea are kow-towing to China (back when they didn't agree to Japan's >sanctions), and that they would continue to HAVE TO depend on China, you >got all upset about that, too.

Wow smith...you actually believe that the United States and SKorea both depend on China's support for their very existence just like NKorea?

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Ossan: "Wow smith...you actually believe that the United States and SKorea both depend on China's support for their very existence just like NKorea?"

Once again you prove your inability to read -- or at least your unwillingness to read things correctly. Where on earth did you come up with that?? I said that they MUST depend on China to hammer things out with NKorea in the end, and since you say China won't allow NK to lash out you are admitting that they are needed. Nowhere did I say for the existance of the US/SKorea. But go ahead and find where I did... ahem... if you have 'the time'. hahaha. We all know you can't.

But hey... Obama DID admit today that the US is looking to China and relations for the future. Maybe you're just misdirecting your personal insecurities again?

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