NATO must do more than just keep Ukraine in fight, says Rutte

It’s over already. There needs to be an end to this war, Ukraine is unable to win or take back any territory.

Only way to win would bring in Western allies which they know could well lead to WW III.

They need to inflict massive pain on russia, this is true. Perhaps long range drones are in order.

NATO stands for No Action Talk Only, so it just does nothing like always.

sakurasukiToday  07:14 am JST

So NATO is not an aggressive body. Glad we agree on this.

This guy is a broken record, playing the same old tired tune that the previous incumbent rattled off. NATO couldn't knock the head off a beer. Western Europe has literally emptied their inventories and is in recession.

Germany is down to a few tanks and a paper tiger. UK is down to a dozen or so medium artillery guns. No one really has much to give. Poland won't give up their new toys for obvious reasons, nor will anyone else. Spain is cleaning up floods and their restive population could have regions breakaway at the rate their elites have mistreated people. The Baltic states are all bark and no bite. France has systemic problems and Macron shares political malaise with Scholz.

US needs to seriously decide what is needed for the Pacific and Israel - with the wider middle east - having priority over Ukraine. Austin announced he is prioritizing actual paying customers who have previously ordered for the delivery of ATACMs missiles (and other systems).

But the elephant in the room is everyone knows the EU cannot fund the Ukraine proxy war without the US - and this is but a futile attempt to Trump-proof their conflict.

JJE

But the elephant in the room is everyone knows the EU cannot fund the Ukraine proxy war without the US - and this is but a futile attempt to Trump-proof their conflict.

So if the US withdraws support, how is it a proxy war?

Shut this meat grinder down, no one cares anymore. Ukraine has the option of negotiating a peace deal with Putin backed by NATO guarantees, unlike the war in Palestine where Bibi is refusing to negotiate or stop the killings on Both Sides.

Rutte did not explicitly refer to the election Donald Trump's election as U.S. president, who some fear will move to scale down American support for Ukraine.

In the meantime, Putin is dissing Trump by saying that he didn’t talk to him and putting nude pics of Melania on state television.

JJEToday  07:20 am JST

This guy is a broken record, playing the same old tired tune that the previous incumbent rattled off. NATO couldn't knock the head off a beer. Western Europe has literally emptied their inventories and is in recession. 

Germany is down to a few tanks and a paper tiger. UK is down to a dozen or so medium artillery guns. No one really has much to give. Poland won't give up their new toys for obvious reasons, nor will anyone else. Spain is cleaning up floods and their restive population could have regions breakaway at the rate their elites have mistreated people. The Baltic states are all bark and no bite. France has systemic problems and Macron shares political malaise with Scholz.

They do have the advantage that they don't send their troops to war with expired rations, however.

But the elephant in the room is everyone knows the EU cannot fund the Ukraine proxy war without the US - and this is but a futile attempt to Trump-proof their conflict.

We don't know that is the eventual directive from Truth Social. If so, Trump will have to sell the loss of face when the war continues for another few years.

If foreign parties fund it, such as the EU, it is still a proxy war.

Secondly, despite there being zero-point-zero actual evidence presented of NK deployments in Russia, the latter is fully entitled to enter into a defensive alliance with the former. And that includes inviting them onto the territory of the Russian Federation for live fire exercises, and/or hunting down insurgents in Kursk.

WoodyLeeToday  07:46 am JST

Ukraine has the option of negotiating a peace deal with Putin backed by NATO guarantees, 

Guarantees such as...

Rutte and certain quarters don't get it: there will be no NATO presence in Ukraine and Kyiv will never join the alliance.

They are trying to put on brave face and cope together. Think about it; they know Kyiv regime forces are getting whacked. Their options are pretty narrow. We know it, he/they know it.

And this is more bluster and cope with the earthquake that is the election of Trump, which they didn't expect, and has upended their little universe of neo-liberal warmongering.

The US support of Ukraine led to Biden downfall, people see Biden addressing Ukraine and not their issues such as disaster relief and these MAGA will have resort to cannibalism ,when government food assistance is stopped

JJE

If foreign parties fund it, such as the EU, it is still a proxy war.

So the civil war in Donbas in 3014 was a proxy war with Russia, then?

A good defense is a good offense. To just fight a war defensively is full of fatal flaws. If somebody punches you in the face, then you should counter punch to at least make your opponent back off from attacking you.

Not sure what you mean.

Rutte is going to get them to fight to the last Ukrainian. He is practically guaranteeing the country will disappear demographically. Ask him.

He should also be advised that the natural resources of Ukraine are not the plaything of the Atlanticists.

JJE

He should also be advised that the natural resources of Ukraine are not the plaything of the Atlanticists.

Correct. They are the plaything of the imperialist Russians…

Incorrect. They are the property of the decent people of Donbass.

In yesterday's article about Ukraine, it featured an allegation RFAF blew up a dam (specifically the dam on the western end of the Kurakhove reservoir of the Vovcha river, actually known as the Ternovskay Dam at Stari Terny). This is despite it being in UAF-held territory and the destruction obviously benefiting UAF dispositions in that area.

Well, lo and behold, by next day we have a video, published by Ukraine sources, showing UAF sappers blowing it up - important to correct the record:

https://x.com/UKikaski/status/1856440466449019099

A 65-year-old woman children's doctor is given 5 and 1/2 years in prison for allegedly spreading misinformation on the war. Putin lives in fear of these citizens.

She repeatedly torrented the widow and son of a deceased veteran, who reported her to authorities. Video of the widow complaining was widely publicized and went viral, prompting public outrage and action. Putin had nothing to do with it.

Lenient sentence compared to what they get in western jurisdictions.

JJE

Incorrect. They are the property of the decent people of Donbass.

Putin didn’t put all this effort into this war for the people of Donbas. That land is his.

That region applied for and became a subject of the RF on their own freewill and for their own protection.

Wouldn't have been necessary if Minsk was implemented (remember this was an 8-year process).

Civil strife often leads to countries fracturing and smaller regions seceding, then looking for protection from larger powers; hardly the first time, anyone can list numerous examples current and past.

So if the US withdraws support, how is it a proxy war?"

So all can agree now for the last couple of years with US support it was a proxy war then. Good the bros see the light.

Putin is dissing Trump by saying that he didn’t talk to him and putting nude pics of Melania on state television."

So Putin was anti Trump and pro Harris all along as they said. Good that's cleared up now, lol.

Trump will have to sell the loss of face when the war continues for another few years."

Don't worry, without US funding it will not continue so long. Peace will come much sooner than it would under Harris. Trump is good all around.

Putin is dissing Trump by saying that he didn’t talk to him

who falsely claimed they did talk? The leftist media.

A good defense is a good offense. To just fight a war defensively is full of fatal flaws. If somebody punches you in the face, then you should counter punch to at least make your opponent back off from attacking you."

That's exactly what UAF did with the Kursk offensive. It only seems to have sped up the Russian gains on the Donbass frontline.

Burgerland

So if the US withdraws support, how is it a proxy war?" 

So all can agree now for the last couple of years with US support it was a proxy war then.

No.

Ah, yes, another right wing unelected EU bureaucrat calling for unending war in Europe. Quelle surprise.

Burgerland

Putin is dissing Trump by saying that he didn’t talk to him and putting nude pics of Melania on state television." 

So Putin was anti Trump and pro Harris all along as they said. Good that's cleared up now, lol.

No, he’s pro-Trump winning the election because he can manipulate him.

As Ukraine is not and will not be a member of NATO, why “must” NATO do anything?

Blacklabel

As Ukraine is not and will not be a member of NATO, why “must” NATO do anything?

So that we don’t get WW3.