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© Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.NATO chief warns Russia of 'costs' if it moves on Ukraine
By LORNE COOK BRUSSELS©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
44 Comments
Rob
Putin and his capitalists are criminals and traitors but they are choir boys compared to NATO. Seems the vast majority of Ukranians now recognize this fact. A majority always did.
Hostile fascists from the west attack. At first many Ukranians side with them. The truth sets in. Even the minority which sided with them, turns against them.
This is 2014~2021, not 1941~1944.
Peter14
More Russian intimidation against peaceful Ukraine. No wonder they want nothing to do with Russia.
Just like the mafia, once a member your in for ever. Well Ukraine wanted out, and it got out. Russia now trying to force it back in again, against the will of the people.
Russia forcing the Ukraine into the Western sphere of influence.
mz16
Maybe Jens Stoltenberg should try going on the Ukraine-Russia border and then make asumptions and statements.
Either way it's still a joke that NATO roams freely in European countries incl. Ukraine.
stormcrow
Russia's drooling for Ukraine on one end and China's drooling for Taiwan on the other end.
No wonder they're such wonderful partners!
Kyo wa heiwa dayo ne
Don't mess with Russia !
They're not messing around.
And way ahead in technologies than NATO.
Zaphod
The NATO warmongers keep on pushing. Maybe Putin should intervene in the France-UK migrant and fishing conflicts and threaten "costs".
bass4funk
Depends on what that weapon is.
FizzBit
I wonder if Biden even understands what’s going on. The globalists are back in power and back at it. Making up crap to justify their violence with the help of their anti Russian talking heads and mouthpieces.
Peter14
It is not NATO camping 90,000 troops near the Russian border.
Russia is the warmonger here.
If Russia could possibly sort it out peacefully im sure they would be welcomed. Alas Russia has no clue about peaceful settlements, only invasion as it did in WWII when it joined the Nazi's in invading and carving up Poland swiftly followed by it's invasion of Finland.
Peter14
Supercavitating torpedo. Russia has them they have a top speed underwater of 200 knots.
The US does not have anything comparable.
Hypersonic missiles. Russian forces are equipped with them while US forces are not.
Just to name two.
bass4funk
That’s for me to decide, that’s for this President to decide, but I do feel for the the Ukrainians, they’re screwed….again…
bass4funk
I do, but I’m not the President and since this one rarely listens, he’s going to do exactly what his former boss did and that’s nothing.
I do as well, but as with the first question, I also think Biden wouldn’t do squat.
They’re only as good as the people that use them and the CIC will allow for them to engage.
Peter14
Russia currently has only one air-launched hypersonic missile, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal, or the dagger, deployed on the MiG-31 interceptor aircraft.
The country, however, is on a spree to expand its hypersonic missile arsenal with the development of air-launched missiles such as the long-range Kh-95 and the Gremlin. Moscow has also been testing its ship and submarine-launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/10/12/russia-su-57-hypersonic-missile/
Russia's first regiment of Avangard hypersonic missiles has been put into service, the defence ministry says.
The location was not given, although officials had earlier indicated they would be deployed in the Urals.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50927648
bass4funk
Scroll up to what I said.
And never will
No different than defending or at least helping and supplying Ukraine what it needs. But don’t worry, I don’t believe this President and it seems Taiwan and the Ukraine don’t trust this guy either. Seeing how he left Afghanistan and how Biden didn’t help Crimea, I would be extremely nervous as well.
Read Peter’s post, he’s faster than me, he basically answered your question.
Yes, it was.
Rob
In the most fundamental spheres of cutting edge military technology, Russia is way ahead. Probably around 10 years.
Rob
They've finished testing and deployed air, land, sea and inter inter-continental hypersonic missiles. Carried out 2 successful submarine lauched tests in October and expect to be finished testing early next year.
Rob
Assault rifles, AA /anti missile/ anti satellite missiles, electronic warfare, stealth drones, 3rd, 4th, especially 5th gen fighter jets, rocket artillary, definitely diesel electric subs, probably nuke subs, hypersonic missiles and of course, looking at the historical record, Russian soldiers vs US soldiers is the most glaring advantage the Russians have.
US only has formidable occupied states Germany and Japan to use as cannon fodder. The Russians don't have that. Maybe that's for the better.
Peter14
No.
No
No
A big No
No
Yes, the US has none.
No
Yes
Another big NO.
Asakaze
@Peter14
That's was funny. "Peaceful" Ukraine shells almost daily with mortars and heavy artillery people of Donetsk and Lugansk who do not want to have anything in common with the murderous Ukrainian neonazi regime. Official Ukrainian state heroes are WWII local Nazi collaborators and members of the 14th Waffen-SS Ukrainian Division "Galicina". Peaceful Ukrainian nazis.
No, it does not. What for? Plundered and ransacked by EU and the U.S. Ukraine has no value. In 1991 when it proclaimed independence from the USSR Ukraine has economy about the size of France. It made space rockets, aircraft carriers, cargo planes and helicopter engines, its population was more then 50 millions. Now it's all gone, it's barren territory where about 30 millions now try to eke out miserable existence. Millions fled it. The West did to Ukraine what locusts usually do. So keep it. "You broke it - you keep it".
About three hundred kilometers from the border. Meanwhile USAF nuclear bombers during the last month flew about thirty flights near the Russian borders, some about 20 km from the border. Who is the warmonger here?
False statement. Actually Russia is very much capable of settlements. In Syria the war is close to the end, the country can return to peaceful life, thanks to Russia. Last year Russia succesfully mediated and stopped a brief war between Armenians and Azerbaijan. Frankly, after what they did to Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya NATO countries look like a gang of thugs, robbers and killers in comparison to Russia.
It did not "joined" the Nazi. In 1939 after the Polish government fled its country the USSR just returned the Polish-occupied terittories Poland stole during the Russian Civil war. Same for Finland.
Peter14
@Asakaze
Everything you posted is from a nationalist Russian perspective and can not be expected to be truthful except from your own position.
Ukraine would disagree.
Finland would disagree.
Poland would disagree.
The Russians signed a non aggression pact with the Nazi's and planed the division of Poland in advance. This is historical fact. As is the unjustifiable invasion of Finland.
In bed with the Nazi's until Germany turned on Russia. Fact. Dont like it? Sorry but you cant change recorded history.
If Russia moves on the Ukraine again like it did in Donetsk and Lugansk and the Crimea, it will have a price to pay much bigger than anything Putin has seen in his lifetime. He may well "roll the dice" and invade Ukraine. Stay tuned.
Asakaze
@Peter14
I can reply in the same way - "Everything you posted is from NATO propaganda perspective and can not be expected to be truthful except from your own position". Actually my opinion is based on facts.
I bet they would. Hitler will also would be disapponted.
They were the last to do it. First was Poland (Pilsudski - Hitler pact), then UK and France (Munich). That are historical facts.
In bed with the Nazi's until Germany turned on Russia
Asakaze
Just like Poland, UK and France. Finland was Hitler's bed partner till 1944. "Fact. Dont like it? Sorry but you cant change recorded history".
Yawn. Yeah, whatever. Meanwhile don't push a wrong button. Stay tuned.
Peter14
Yes Finland joined the Nazi's to regain territory stolen by the USSR in the war of 1939-1940. That is fact.
The Russian's joined the Nazi's in 1939 from greed to take Polish territory. That is also fact.
The UK fought the Nazi's from the beginning to the end of WWII in Europe. The Russians went from one side to the other.
RichardPearce
Ah, but what if they merely offer 'support' to the overthrow of the NATO sponsored regime by those determined to restore democracy to Ukraine, and then insist that NATO backs away?
Would that be OK with Stoltenberg?
PS, remember that the President who was overthrown in the not unviolent Maidan insurrection had won the majority of the vote after campaigning specifically NOT breaking relations with Russia or trying to join the EU or NATO, and unlike the present President and government, ALL the provinces of Ukraine had their votes counted in a free and fair election.
Alex
NATO is a circus and has been for the past 30 or so years. Stoltenberg must be sick and tired of repeating the same lies over and over again. Sad clown.
Peter14
The current government was elected by majority. What is your issue with the democratically elected government? That they do not favor Russia over NATO and Western Europe? That is just hard luck as there will be a next election and who is to say a Russian supporting government wont be put into power? It is their democracy not Russia's.
With all the "pro Russians" now no longer ruled by the Ukraine they no longer get to vote in the government there. Perhaps Russia should have thought about that before breaking them off from the Ukraine. Many less votes for a Russia leaning government and it is Russia's fault that is so.
Asakaze
In 1918-19 Finland stole Russian territories (Russia was too weak then due to its civil war) Poland did the same in 1921. In 1939-40 Finland eagerly joined Hitler in hopes for a "Great Finland" with territories up to the Ural mountains. That is fact.
Again, one more time: the USSR did not "join" the Nazi. Poland actually did, when it with its best buddy Hitler carved Czechoslovakia. The USSR just returned the territories stolen by Poland in 1921. That is also fact.
Wrong chronology. Here is the correct one: In 1938 UK signed the Munich agreement with Hitler in hopes that after that Hitler along with Poland would attack the USSSR. In 1938-39 UK refused all Soviet proposals for a united front against Hitler. That's the reason why Stalin in 1939 signed the agreemet with Germany (USSR was the last to do it, after Poland, UK and France).
You're weicome.
Peter14
Sorry you cant accept it but the Russians collaborated with the Nazi's. Nothing you post can alter that fact.
The USSR invaded Poland to steal territory. Russia may have once ruled that land but it did not when it invaded. The mongols once ruled China, should Mongolia claim it now and say just returning occupied land?
If Russia took back "stolen" territory then Japan is rightfully allowed to take back the Northern Territories that Russia "stole" from Japan. Russia would have no reason to complain about it correct?
Another false statement. The UK wanted peace in Europe and Poland was a pawn used by the USSR and the Nazi's to go to war.
Attempts to rewrite history are a Russian staple. Europe doesnt buy into Russian attempts to alter facts to suit Russian visions of themselves. Russia was not the hero of WWII it started out shaking hands with Nazi troops in the middle of occupied Poland. If Hitler had not attacked Russia they would have fought at the Nazi's side against all of Europe. It hurts to realise Russia started the war on the wrong side. But nothing can change that.
Russia now try's to issue a narrative of a bad Ukraine that needs "freeing" from itself and Western Europe. They have worked hard since freeing themselves from the Russian sphere. They have the right to join NATO or the EU if they choose to and if they get accepted by those entities. Russian intimidation will frighten children, but that's what Putin does best.
Ingvar
Looking at the historical record, Russian soldiers aren't superior to American soldiers? You can argue what you like for the present time. No one knows as they haven't fought each other or any serious adversaries but looking at the historical record, can we not say for an absolute fact, no soldiers anywhere can match the Russians? Second would almost certainly be Germans. They keep losing but only to Russians. Like Wilder vs Fury.
According to the memoirs of senior Red Army generals, Japanese soldiers aren't so competent. They often appear to value acts of bravery above sound tactics.
Peter14
Haha Russians are not even close to "worlds best" either historical or modern. Good for a laugh though.
Ingvar
A lot of serious socialists denounce Stalin for signing that non aggression treaty. The fact is it was a non aggression treaty, not an "alliance" as capitalist pigs and their minions like to claim. But anyway, Trotsky and his staff (Tukachevsky, Frunze) were certainly the military geniuses who invented what the Nazis copied and called "Blitzkreig" but I can't denounce Stalin for that treaty.
一. It was signed AFTER the western allies flatly rejected Stalin's request for an anti-Nazi pact.
二. Poland had to pay a price for invading and occupying western White Russia during the aggression of most of the world (including Japan, USA, France, UK) against the revolutionary Soviet Republic.
三. Ditto for Finland and Karelia.
四. Poland was allied with Nazi Germany and the Western allies were cooperating with the Nazis on many fronts.
五. Stalin know the Nazis were going to invade. He said it publicly several times. He mistake was thinking it would take the Nazis a year or more to defeat Anglo-French armies and then at least another year to rebuild their forces for the invasion of the Soviet Union.
Despite all the criminal, capitalistic policies Stalin pursued which led the Soviet Union open for attack, once the invasion started, his conduct was absolutely exemplary. As noted by the Stalin-loving US ambassador to the Soviet Union during the war.
Peter14
@Ingvar
As Gretta Thunberg first said, blah, blah, blah.
Nobody in the world believe the rewriting of history done by Soviets and Russia, but you can keep trying to alter the facts none the less. Only Russians believe it.
Ingvar
Really? So based on the historical record, if not Russians, which soldiers have shown to be the best? It just seems the unprecedentedly large invasion of Napoleon only eclipsed by Hitler have something in common...... then there are the Ottoman wars, the Crimean wars and of course, possibly the most extraordinary of all, the revolutionary wars where the outgunned and outnumbered Red Army gave the combined White Army, Japanese, French, American, British, Czech, Croat, Finnish, Polish, Swedish and more a good ol-fashioned blood letting.
Ingvar
Really? So which of those 5 points is wrong?
Peter14
All of them.
Poland and Finland "had to pay a price"? please it was outright revenge pure and simple. Massacre of 14,000 captured polish officers by Russia shows their true disgusting colors.
Poland an ally of the Nazi's? BS.
The picture of a Nazi officer shaking hands with a Soviet officer in Poland shows they worked together. They sure were not enemies in Poland. A picture is worth a thousand words.
Ingvar
Call it revenge or taking back occupied lands or whatever you like but the fact is the fascistic regimes of Finland and Poland occupied Karelia and western White Russia during the aggression of most of the world (literally) against the Soviet Republic. Stalin took them back.
So Poland didn't join Nazi Germany invading Czechoslovakia?
I already addressed the non aggression pact.
Peter14
No
Poland gave Czechoslovakia a 24 hour ultimatum about Zaolzie on 30th September 1938. The Czechoslovak government accepted and Polish troops entered the next day: 1 October 1938. That territory, populated by a Polish majority at that time, was taken by force by Czechoslovakia in a 7 day war which started on 23rd January 1919 (Czechoslovakia attacked while Poland was fighting another war in the east).