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NATO chief warns Russia of 'costs' if it moves on Ukraine

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Putin and his capitalists are criminals and traitors but they are choir boys compared to NATO. Seems the vast majority of Ukranians now recognize this fact. A majority always did.

Hostile fascists from the west attack. At first many Ukranians side with them. The truth sets in. Even the minority which sided with them, turns against them.

This is 2014~2021, not 1941~1944.

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More Russian intimidation against peaceful Ukraine. No wonder they want nothing to do with Russia.

Just like the mafia, once a member your in for ever. Well Ukraine wanted out, and it got out. Russia now trying to force it back in again, against the will of the people.

Russia forcing the Ukraine into the Western sphere of influence.

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Maybe Jens Stoltenberg should try going on the Ukraine-Russia border and then make asumptions and statements.

Either way it's still a joke that NATO roams freely in European countries incl. Ukraine.

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Russia's drooling for Ukraine on one end and China's drooling for Taiwan on the other end.

No wonder they're such wonderful partners!

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Don't mess with Russia !

They're not messing around.

And way ahead in technologies than NATO.

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And way ahead in technologies than NATO.

You are saying Russian technology is way ahead of the Americans?

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NATO chief warns Russia of 'costs' if it moves on Ukraine

The NATO warmongers keep on pushing. Maybe Putin should intervene in the France-UK migrant and fishing conflicts and threaten "costs".

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You are saying Russian technology is way ahead of the Americans?

Depends on what that weapon is.

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bass4funk

You are saying Russian technology is way ahead of the Americans?

Depends on what that weapon is.

Which Russian weapon outperforms an American one?

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I wonder if Biden even understands what’s going on. The globalists are back in power and back at it. Making up crap to justify their violence with the help of their anti Russian talking heads and mouthpieces.

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The NATO warmongers keep on pushing.

It is not NATO camping 90,000 troops near the Russian border.

Russia is the warmonger here.

Maybe Putin should intervene in the France-UK migrant and fishing conflicts and threaten "costs".

If Russia could possibly sort it out peacefully im sure they would be welcomed. Alas Russia has no clue about peaceful settlements, only invasion as it did in WWII when it joined the Nazi's in invading and carving up Poland swiftly followed by it's invasion of Finland.

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Which Russian weapon outperforms an American one?

Supercavitating torpedo. Russia has them they have a top speed underwater of 200 knots.

The US does not have anything comparable.

Hypersonic missiles. Russian forces are equipped with them while US forces are not.

Just to name two.

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bass4funk

you complained about America not doing anything about the Putin invasion of Crimea. What should it do about Ukraine?

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you complained about America not doing anything about the Putin invasion of Crimea. What should it do about Ukraine?

That’s for me to decide, that’s for this President to decide, but I do feel for the the Ukrainians, they’re screwed….again…

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bass4funk

so you have no opinion about what America should do about Ukraine/Russia, the president's decision you say. But you have an opinion about defending Taiwan against a Chinese invasion, which also would be the decision of the president.

What about an answer on the better Russian weapons than the American ones?

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so you have no opinion about what America should do about Ukraine/Russia, the president's decision you say.

I do, but I’m not the President and since this one rarely listens, he’s going to do exactly what his former boss did and that’s nothing.

But you have an opinion about defending Taiwan against a Chinese invasion,

I do as well, but as with the first question, I also think Biden wouldn’t do squat.

What about an answer on the better Russian weapons than the American ones?

They’re only as good as the people that use them and the CIC will allow for them to engage.

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bass4funk

so you have no opinion about what America should do about Ukraine/Russia, the president's decision you say.

I do, but I’m not the President and since this one rarely listens, he’s going to do exactly what his former boss did and that’s nothing.

That has never prevented you before from posting your opinions?

But you have an opinion about defending Taiwan against a Chinese invasion,

I do as well, but as with the first question, I also think Biden wouldn’t do squat.

But your opinion is to defend Taiwan? But not Ukraine?

What about an answer on the better Russian weapons than the American ones?

They’re only as good as the people that use them and the CIC will allow for them to engage.

That is not an answer. Do you believe some of the Russian weapons are better than your own?

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The Russian Navy will get hypersonic missiles next year, 2022.

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Russia currently has only one air-launched hypersonic missile, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal, or the dagger, deployed on the MiG-31 interceptor aircraft. 

The country, however, is on a spree to expand its hypersonic missile arsenal with the development of air-launched missiles such as the long-range Kh-95 and the Gremlin. Moscow has also been testing its ship and submarine-launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile.

https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/10/12/russia-su-57-hypersonic-missile/

Russia's first regiment of Avangard hypersonic missiles has been put into service, the defence ministry says.

The location was not given, although officials had earlier indicated they would be deployed in the Urals.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50927648

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The Chinese hypersonic missiles are also ahead of the American ones. Considering America spends more on defence, $800 billion, more than the combined totals of the next five countries.

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so you have no opinion about what America should do about Ukraine/Russia, the president's decision you say.

Scroll up to what I said.

That has never prevented you before from posting your opinions?

And never will

But you have an opinion about defending Taiwan against a Chinese invasion,

No different than defending or at least helping and supplying Ukraine what it needs. But don’t worry, I don’t believe this President and it seems Taiwan and the Ukraine don’t trust this guy either. Seeing how he left Afghanistan and how Biden didn’t help Crimea, I would be extremely nervous as well.

What about an answer on the better Russian weapons than the American ones?

Read Peter’s post, he’s faster than me, he basically answered your question.

That is not an answer.

Yes, it was.

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You are saying Russian technology is way ahead of the Americans?

In the most fundamental spheres of cutting edge military technology, Russia is way ahead. Probably around 10 years.

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Russia currently has only one air-launched hypersonic missile, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal, or the dagger, deployed on the MiG-31 interceptor aircraft.

They've finished testing and deployed air, land, sea and inter inter-continental hypersonic missiles. Carried out 2 successful submarine lauched tests in October and expect to be finished testing early next year.

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Which Russian weapon outperforms an American one?

Assault rifles, AA /anti missile/ anti satellite missiles, electronic warfare, stealth drones, 3rd, 4th, especially 5th gen fighter jets, rocket artillary, definitely diesel electric subs, probably nuke subs, hypersonic missiles and of course, looking at the historical record, Russian soldiers vs US soldiers is the most glaring advantage the Russians have.

US only has formidable occupied states Germany and Japan to use as cannon fodder. The Russians don't have that. Maybe that's for the better.

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Assault rifles

No.

, AA /anti missile/ anti satellite missiles,

No

electronic warfare, stealth drones,

No

3rd, 4th, especially 5th gen fighter jets,

A big No

rocket artillary,

No

definitely diesel electric subs,

Yes, the US has none.

probably nuke subs,

No

hypersonic missiles

Yes

looking at the historical record, Russian soldiers vs US soldiers is the most glaring advantage the Russians have.

Another big NO.

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@Peter14

More Russian intimidation against peaceful Ukraine

That's was funny. "Peaceful" Ukraine shells almost daily with mortars and heavy artillery people of Donetsk and Lugansk who do not want to have anything in common with the murderous Ukrainian neonazi regime. Official Ukrainian state heroes are WWII local Nazi collaborators and members of the 14th Waffen-SS Ukrainian Division "Galicina". Peaceful Ukrainian nazis.

Russia now trying to force it back in again

No, it does not. What for? Plundered and ransacked by EU and the U.S. Ukraine has no value. In 1991 when it proclaimed independence from the USSR Ukraine has economy about the size of France. It made space rockets, aircraft carriers, cargo planes and helicopter engines, its population was more then 50 millions. Now it's all gone, it's barren territory where about 30 millions now try to eke out miserable existence. Millions fled it. The West did to Ukraine what locusts usually do. So keep it. "You broke it - you keep it".

It is not NATO camping 90,000 troops near the Russian border. Russia is the warmonger here

About three hundred kilometers from the border. Meanwhile USAF nuclear bombers during the last month flew about thirty flights near the Russian borders, some about 20 km from the border. Who is the warmonger here?

Alas Russia has no clue about peaceful settlements

False statement. Actually Russia is very much capable of settlements. In Syria the war is close to the end, the country can return to peaceful life, thanks to Russia. Last year Russia succesfully mediated and stopped a brief war between Armenians and Azerbaijan. Frankly, after what they did to Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya NATO countries look like a gang of thugs, robbers and killers in comparison to Russia.

it did in WWII when it joined the Nazi's in invading and carving up Poland swiftly followed by it's invasion of Finland

It did not "joined" the Nazi. In 1939 after the Polish government fled its country the USSR just returned the Polish-occupied terittories Poland stole during the Russian Civil war. Same for Finland.

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@Asakaze

Everything you posted is from a nationalist Russian perspective and can not be expected to be truthful except from your own position.

Ukraine would disagree.

Finland would disagree.

Poland would disagree.

The Russians signed a non aggression pact with the Nazi's and planed the division of Poland in advance. This is historical fact. As is the unjustifiable invasion of Finland.

In bed with the Nazi's until Germany turned on Russia. Fact. Dont like it? Sorry but you cant change recorded history.

If Russia moves on the Ukraine again like it did in Donetsk and Lugansk and the Crimea, it will have a price to pay much bigger than anything Putin has seen in his lifetime. He may well "roll the dice" and invade Ukraine. Stay tuned.

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@Peter14

Everything you posted is from a nationalist Russian perspective and can not be expected to be truthful except from your own position

I can reply in the same way - "Everything you posted is from NATO propaganda perspective and can not be expected to be truthful except from your own position". Actually my opinion is based on facts.

Ukraine would disagree. Finland would disagree. Poland would disagree.

I bet they would. Hitler will also would be disapponted.

The Russians signed a non aggression pact with the Nazi

They were the last to do it. First was Poland (Pilsudski - Hitler pact), then UK and France (Munich). That are historical facts.

In bed with the Nazi's until Germany turned on Russia

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In bed with the Nazi's until Germany turned on Russia

Just like Poland, UK and France. Finland was Hitler's bed partner till 1944. "Fact. Dont like it? Sorry but you cant change recorded history".

it will have a price to pay much bigger than anything Putin has seen in his lifetime

Yawn. Yeah, whatever. Meanwhile don't push a wrong button. Stay tuned.

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Finland was Hitler's bed partner till 1944

Yes Finland joined the Nazi's to regain territory stolen by the USSR in the war of 1939-1940. That is fact.

The Russian's joined the Nazi's in 1939 from greed to take Polish territory. That is also fact.

The UK fought the Nazi's from the beginning to the end of WWII in Europe. The Russians went from one side to the other.

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Ah, but what if they merely offer 'support' to the overthrow of the NATO sponsored regime by those determined to restore democracy to Ukraine, and then insist that NATO backs away?

Would that be OK with Stoltenberg?

PS, remember that the President who was overthrown in the not unviolent Maidan insurrection had won the majority of the vote after campaigning specifically NOT breaking relations with Russia or trying to join the EU or NATO, and unlike the present President and government, ALL the provinces of Ukraine had their votes counted in a free and fair election.

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NATO is a circus and has been for the past 30 or so years. Stoltenberg must be sick and tired of repeating the same lies over and over again. Sad clown.

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Ah, but what if they merely offer 'support' to the overthrow of the NATO sponsored regime by those determined to restore democracy to Ukraine,

The current government was elected by majority. What is your issue with the democratically elected government? That they do not favor Russia over NATO and Western Europe? That is just hard luck as there will be a next election and who is to say a Russian supporting government wont be put into power? It is their democracy not Russia's.

PS, remember that the President who was overthrown in the not unviolent Maidan insurrection had won the majority of the vote after campaigning specifically NOT breaking relations with Russia or trying to join the EU or NATO, and unlike the present President and government, ALL the provinces of Ukraine had their votes counted in a free and fair election.

With all the "pro Russians" now no longer ruled by the Ukraine they no longer get to vote in the government there. Perhaps Russia should have thought about that before breaking them off from the Ukraine. Many less votes for a Russia leaning government and it is Russia's fault that is so.

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Yes Finland joined the Nazi's to regain territory stolen by the USSR in the war of 1939-1940

In 1918-19 Finland stole Russian territories (Russia was too weak then due to its civil war) Poland did the same in 1921. In 1939-40 Finland eagerly joined Hitler in hopes for a "Great Finland" with territories up to the Ural mountains. That is fact.

The Russian's joined the Nazi's in 1939

Again, one more time: the USSR did not "join" the Nazi. Poland actually did, when it with its best buddy Hitler carved Czechoslovakia. The USSR just returned the territories stolen by Poland in 1921. That is also fact.

The UK fought the Nazi's from the beginning to the end of WWII in Europe. The Russians went from one side to the other.

Wrong chronology. Here is the correct one: In 1938 UK signed the Munich agreement with Hitler in hopes that after that Hitler along with Poland would attack the USSSR. In 1938-39 UK refused all Soviet proposals for a united front against Hitler. That's the reason why Stalin in 1939 signed the agreemet with Germany (USSR was the last to do it, after Poland, UK and France).

You're weicome.

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Again, one more time: the USSR did not "join" the Nazi. Poland actually did, when it with its best buddy Hitler carved Czechoslovakia. The USSR just returned the territories stolen by Poland in 1921. That is also fact.

Sorry you cant accept it but the Russians collaborated with the Nazi's. Nothing you post can alter that fact.

The USSR just returned the territories stolen by Poland in 1921. That is also fact.

The USSR invaded Poland to steal territory. Russia may have once ruled that land but it did not when it invaded. The mongols once ruled China, should Mongolia claim it now and say just returning occupied land?

If Russia took back "stolen" territory then Japan is rightfully allowed to take back the Northern Territories that Russia "stole" from Japan. Russia would have no reason to complain about it correct?

Wrong chronology. Here is the correct one: In 1938 UK signed the Munich agreement with Hitler in hopes that after that Hitler along with Poland would attack the USSSR.

Another false statement. The UK wanted peace in Europe and Poland was a pawn used by the USSR and the Nazi's to go to war.

Attempts to rewrite history are a Russian staple. Europe doesnt buy into Russian attempts to alter facts to suit Russian visions of themselves. Russia was not the hero of WWII it started out shaking hands with Nazi troops in the middle of occupied Poland. If Hitler had not attacked Russia they would have fought at the Nazi's side against all of Europe. It hurts to realise Russia started the war on the wrong side. But nothing can change that.

Russia now try's to issue a narrative of a bad Ukraine that needs "freeing" from itself and Western Europe. They have worked hard since freeing themselves from the Russian sphere. They have the right to join NATO or the EU if they choose to and if they get accepted by those entities. Russian intimidation will frighten children, but that's what Putin does best.

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Another big NO.

Looking at the historical record, Russian soldiers aren't superior to American soldiers? You can argue what you like for the present time. No one knows as they haven't fought each other or any serious adversaries but looking at the historical record, can we not say for an absolute fact, no soldiers anywhere can match the Russians? Second would almost certainly be Germans. They keep losing but only to Russians. Like Wilder vs Fury.

According to the memoirs of senior Red Army generals, Japanese soldiers aren't so competent. They often appear to value acts of bravery above sound tactics.

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looking at the historical record, can we not say for an absolute fact, no soldiers anywhere can match the Russians?

Haha Russians are not even close to "worlds best" either historical or modern. Good for a laugh though.

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Sorry you cant accept it but the Russians collaborated with the Nazi's. Nothing you post can alter that fact.

A lot of serious socialists denounce Stalin for signing that non aggression treaty. The fact is it was a non aggression treaty, not an "alliance" as capitalist pigs and their minions like to claim. But anyway, Trotsky and his staff (Tukachevsky, Frunze) were certainly the military geniuses who invented what the Nazis copied and called "Blitzkreig" but I can't denounce Stalin for that treaty.

一. It was signed AFTER the western allies flatly rejected Stalin's request for an anti-Nazi pact.

二. Poland had to pay a price for invading and occupying western White Russia during the aggression of most of the world (including Japan, USA, France, UK) against the revolutionary Soviet Republic.

三. Ditto for Finland and Karelia.

四. Poland was allied with Nazi Germany and the Western allies were cooperating with the Nazis on many fronts.

五. Stalin know the Nazis were going to invade. He said it publicly several times. He mistake was thinking it would take the Nazis a year or more to defeat Anglo-French armies and then at least another year to rebuild their forces for the invasion of the Soviet Union.

Despite all the criminal, capitalistic policies Stalin pursued which led the Soviet Union open for attack, once the invasion started, his conduct was absolutely exemplary. As noted by the Stalin-loving US ambassador to the Soviet Union during the war.

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@Ingvar

As Gretta Thunberg first said, blah, blah, blah.

Nobody in the world believe the rewriting of history done by Soviets and Russia, but you can keep trying to alter the facts none the less. Only Russians believe it.

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Haha Russians are not even close to "worlds best" either historical or modern. Good for a laugh though.

Really? So based on the historical record, if not Russians, which soldiers have shown to be the best? It just seems the unprecedentedly large invasion of Napoleon only eclipsed by Hitler have something in common...... then there are the Ottoman wars, the Crimean wars and of course, possibly the most extraordinary of all, the revolutionary wars where the outgunned and outnumbered Red Army gave the combined White Army, Japanese, French, American, British, Czech, Croat, Finnish, Polish, Swedish and more a good ol-fashioned blood letting.

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Nobody in the world believe the rewriting of history done by Soviets and Russia, but you can keep trying to alter the facts none the less.

Really? So which of those 5 points is wrong?

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Really? So which of those 5 points is wrong?

All of them.

Poland and Finland "had to pay a price"? please it was outright revenge pure and simple. Massacre of 14,000 captured polish officers by Russia shows their true disgusting colors.

Poland an ally of the Nazi's? BS.

The picture of a Nazi officer shaking hands with a Soviet officer in Poland shows they worked together. They sure were not enemies in Poland. A picture is worth a thousand words.

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Poland and Finland "had to pay a price"? please it was outright revenge pure and simple. Massacre of 14,000 captured polish officers by Russia shows their true disgusting colors.

Call it revenge or taking back occupied lands or whatever you like but the fact is the fascistic regimes of Finland and Poland occupied Karelia and western White Russia during the aggression of most of the world (literally) against the Soviet Republic. Stalin took them back.

Poland an ally of the Nazi's? BS.

So Poland didn't join Nazi Germany invading Czechoslovakia?

The picture of a Nazi officer shaking hands with a Soviet officer in Poland shows they worked together. They sure were not enemies in Poland. A picture is worth a thousand words.

I already addressed the non aggression pact.

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So Poland didn't join Nazi Germany invading Czechoslovakia?

No

Poland gave Czechoslovakia a 24 hour ultimatum about Zaolzie on 30th September 1938. The Czechoslovak government accepted and Polish troops entered the next day: 1 October 1938. That territory, populated by a Polish majority at that time, was taken by force by Czechoslovakia in a 7 day war which started on 23rd January 1919 (Czechoslovakia attacked while Poland was fighting another war in the east).

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