NATO chief warns that Putin wants long-term confrontation with Europe after Ukraine

He added that “freedom does not come for free” to the estimated 1 billion people living in the Euro-Atlantic area.

“If we don’t spend more together now to prevent war, we will pay a much, much, much higher price later to fight it. Not billions, but trillions of euros. That’s if we come out on top, and that’s if we win,” he said.

Wise words that Trump should heed.

There he goes again.

Nonsense. Moscow wants a neutral, demilitarized, denazified west Ukraine rump state to be a buffer. The Russian speaking regions of Novorossiya will join the Federation under protection, along with any other regions deemed necessary (i.e. potentially anywhere east of the Dnieper.

Relentless NATO expansionism and western meddling in former constitutional Ukraine is what provoked all this. Moscow won't tolerate the invasion routes into European Russia being controlled by a hostile alliance. And it certainly won't allow the nationalists a free reign of lawless impunity like what they did from 2014.

He absolutely does want hybrid war with Europe. What that would look like, we can't really say, but it would probably be a lot worse if Putin enslaves Odessa.

NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte warned on Thursday that Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to “wipe Ukraine off the map”

Putin “is trying to crush our freedom and way of life," Rutte said

“It is time to shift to a wartime mindset,” Rutte told security experts

NATO Generals gathered in their masses

Just like witches at black masses

Evil NATO minds that plot destruction

Sorcerer of death's construction

In the fields, Ukrainian bodies burning

As the NATO war machine keeps turning

Death and hatred to mankind

Poisoning their brainwashed minds

Oh, Lord yeah

JJE

There he goes again.

Nonsense. Moscow wants a neutral, demilitarized, denazified west Ukraine rump state to be a buffer.

Nope. This is incorrect.

Look ate Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine. A steady stream of imperialism from Russia.

The Russian speaking regions of Novorossiya will join the Federation under protection, along with any other regions deemed necessary (i.e. potentially anywhere east of the Dnieper.

And their has never been a threat from Ukraine nor NATO.

Relentless NATO expansionism and western meddling in former constitutional Ukraine is what provoked all this.

There is no such thing as NATO expansionism. there is Russian expansionism (Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine). Countries like Esonia and Poland wanted to join NATO because of an increasingly imperialist Russia.

Moscow won't tolerate the invasion routes into European Russia being controlled by a hostile alliance.

NATO isn't a hostile alliance and Putin has always known that he isn't under threat from it.

And it certainly won't allow the nationalists a free reign of lawless impunity like what they did from 2014.

Ukraine has nothing to do with Russia. Putin should mind his own business.

And yet Putin started a civil war there in 2014.

Just like he is trying with Georgia and Moldova now.

Putin didn't invade Ukraine in 2022 because he feared NATO. He invaded because he believed that NATO was weak, that his efforts to regain control of Ukraine by other means had failed, and that installing a pro-Russian government in Kyiv would be safe and easy. His aim was not to defend Russia against some non-existent threat but rather to expand Russia's power, eradicate Ukraine's statehood, and destroy NATO, goals he still pursues.

JJEToday 06:46 am JST

Nonsense. Moscow wants a neutral, demilitarized, denazified west Ukraine rump state to be a buffer.

And I want russia to exist only as a buffer state for Europe with China. Go figure.

The Russian speaking regions of Novorossiya will join the Federation under protection, along with any other regions deemed necessary (i.e. potentially anywhere east of the Dnieper.

No bodies lined up for such a purchase.

And it certainly won't allow the nationalists a free reign of lawless impunity like what they did from 2014.

russia was already engaged in illegal activity in 2014.

Wipe Ukraine off a map? Russia, when it was a Union, literally put Ukraine on a map. It wasn't a country before that.

JJE

Wipe Ukraine off a map? Russia, when it was a Union, literally put Ukraine on a map. It wasn't a country before that.

This is closer to what Putin thinks and it's what inspires his imperialism.

However, between 1917 and 1920, Ukraine was its own nation. It was on the map. And again in 1991.

From 1917-1920, Ukraine existed? Which history book did you read?

NATO chief warns that Putin wants long-term confrontation with Europe after Ukraine

Sounds a lot like the discredited domino theory that kept the US involved in Vietnam even when most Americans had turned against the Vietnam War.

'If Vietnam falls to communists the rest of Asia will soon follow'.

Those days it was the Republicans which were the party of MIC and war-mongers but now it's the Democrats, so it's good they have been kicked out.

this is how it looks like when you live in own world-disconnected from reality on the ground.

but to be honest-could anyone hear from him as from head of NATO -anything else?

soon money will get dry to Kiev junta than conflict will end.

mark my words.

Since the Revolution of Dignity, since 2014, Ukrainians have destroyed almost all the monuments that were built on its territory for centuries. Many monuments were built for the people's money, on donations. But they were all demolished. During these ten years, many books on Russian, tons of books, entire libraries have been burned. Ukrainians destroyed their history, which was associated with the Russian Empire, the USSR, and Russia. But they have no history of their own. No literature, no painting, no serious music. Ukrainians still have folk songs, hopak dance, borscht and vyshivanka (embroidery) from culture. That's all! They have nothing else, they have given up everything. Can you name at least one other such nation that would give up everything in favor of the European visa-free dream... As it is being said here about them now: in pursuit of lace panties..... as if there were no lace panties in Ukraine before...Do you know a more stupid zombie nation? None of the post-Soviet countries has abandoned its history and culture. Only Ukraine has done...

And now this dropout from Holland (or where else?) tells the whole world what Putin wants! A man who, like many here, writes the word "Russia " with three mistakes, reads lectures on what this very Russia wants. Russia wants nothing but peace! But to achive it, we must first destroy all the fascists around.

*"NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte warned on Thursday that Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to “*wipe Ukraine off the map”

Standard NATO hyperbole. Putin said numerous times Russia is open to negotiating a ceasefire.

and could come after other parts of Europe next."

But our resident experts tell us Russkiya army is decimated and its economy in tatters, so obviously it is in no position an has no desire to attack anyone else in Europe. Still, Rutte has to do his job and say what he has to say in order to push member states to increase their military $$pending. Kaching$...

 he added: “I can tell you, we are going to need a lot more than 2%.”

"Look ate Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine. A steady stream of imperialism from Russia."

Nope, incorrect. Fighting radical islamists in Chechnya and protecting its national security interests ( D.C. favorite phrase ) is not imperialism.

NATO chief warns that Putin wants long-term confrontation with Europe after Ukraine.....Sounds a lot like the discredited domino theory that kept the US involved in Vietnam even when most Americans had turned against the Vietnam War. 'If Vietnam falls to communists the rest of Asia will soon follow'."

Precisely.

"He absolutely does want hybrid war with Europe. "

Do you have some inside sources / knowledge of what Putin "absolutely" wants? Do share...

And I want russia to exist only as a buffer state for Europe with China. Go figure.

Thank God that cursed cows have short horns.

@Underworld

You need to listen to President Putin on the record and not what the MSM wants you to believe

Wipe Ukraine off a map? Russia, when it was a Union, literally put Ukraine on a map. It wasn't a country before that.....This is closer to what Putin thinks and it's what inspires his imperialism.

Them also literally the facts.

Trump is closer with Russia than the European countries are to Russia, that tells a lot. We also can't forget that Trump used to throw tantrums during briefs about Russia saying he doesn't want to hear it or acting berate and senile. But hey I wish I was joking when I said a portion of his supporters know how to speak Russian

JJEToday 07:10 am JST

Wipe Ukraine off a map? Russia, when it was a Union, literally put Ukraine on a map. It wasn't a country before that.

Kievan Rus existed and probably wasn't your ancestors. In any event, to be Ukrainian now you merely have to acknowledge that you hate the russian with the burning of a thousand suns.

He's likely right, but as is so often the case, it will only be proven that he was right after everything goes pear-shaped.

I mean, Trump is going to essentially lead the US into a quasi-鎖国 period, so he won't give a toss what happens in Europe, and there just might be enough European leaders who are already on Team Putin, or who can be politically pressured to switch, to allow Vladdy to keep going if he eventually does get what he wants from the Ukraine conflict.

Something for our resident dictator fans to look forward to, no doubt.

BurgerlandToday 09:51 am JST

*"NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte warned on Thursday that Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to “*wipe Ukraine off the map”

Standard NATO hyperbole. Putin said numerous times Russia is open to negotiating a ceasefire.

The commentator you literally quoted a few minutes ago says that Ukraine will consist of Lviv and surroundings. Demanding retreat and constitutional changes is not a call for a ceasefire.

protecting its national security interests ( D.C. favorite phrase ) is not imperialism.

It is when you annex other countries as part of said process.

EvilBuddhaToday 09:03 am JST

Sounds a lot like the discredited domino theory that kept the US involved in Vietnam even when most Americans had turned against the Vietnam War.

The domino theory of communism was that people would join communist movements and throw down their governments with at least the illusion of it being organic. The domino theory of Putin is that some ah is going to bomb and shell until he controls what he wants.

PrimusinterToday 09:28 am JST

Since the Revolution of Dignity, since 2014, Ukrainians have destroyed almost all the monuments that were built on its territory for centuries. Many monuments were built for the people's money, on donations. But they were all demolished. During these ten years, many books on Russian, tons of books, entire libraries have been burned.

And good for them. They got a taste of what russian brotherhood is really about.

Ukrainians destroyed their history, which was associated with the Russian Empire, the USSR, and Russia.

Their history is also Poland, the Holy Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire and more.

But they have no history of their own. No literature, no painting, no serious music. Ukrainians still have folk songs, hopak dance, borscht and vyshivanka (embroidery) from culture. That's all! They have nothing else, they have given up everything.

They have something else important now: a burning desire to see the russian fertilize their soil.

Can you name at least one other such nation that would give up everything in favor of the European visa-free dream...

The russian who would give up anything on the dictator's orders.

As it is being said here about them now: in pursuit of lace panties..... as if there were no lace panties in Ukraine before...Do you know a more stupid zombie nation? None of the post-Soviet countries has abandoned its history and culture. Only Ukraine has done...

The Baltics have also removed the garbage influence and probably others have as well.

"They write that NATO Secretary General Rutte has also gone mad. "If Trump surrenders Ukraine to Putin, I will personally expel the United States from the alliance" — NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte. Actually, Rutte is a hired manager from a small Holland and he would not attack the main member of the alliance, but it is clear that visiting an institution with cupcakes let him down

Well yeah, no duh. The US having Trump goes against what it means to be American. Dude is a threat to national security and Musk a foreigner used his money to put him in the white house. So America is cooked

kurisupisu

@Underworld

You need to listen to President Putin on the record and not what the MSM wants you to believe

Why would I listen to Putin. He lies. I get news from many sources.

Burgerland

"Look ate Chechnya, Georgia, Crimea, and Ukraine. A steady stream of imperialism from Russia."

Nope, incorrect. Fighting radical islamists in Chechnya and protecting its national security interests ( D.C. favorite phrase ) is not imperialism.

In Chechnya, they weren't fighting radical Islamists, but they painted it like that. Russia had a peace agreement with Chechnya after the First Chechen War, but broke their promise.

I.e. pure imperialism.

"The US having Trump goes against what it means to be American. "

US voters handed Trump a landslide victory which makes your argument moot. Obviously they agreed with Trump's views and policies. Or was that voter majority somehow not "American" enough?

Why would I listen to Putin. "

Yep, much better to put on blinkers.

. pure imperialism."

Nope.

@Underworld

Why would I listen to Putin. He lies. I get news from many sources.

.

Well, believe the facts then.

Russia has the superior capability to destroy my country in the world with nuclear tipped hypersonic missiles.

Why hasn’t he done so?

Can’t quite be the dictatorial tyrant that ‘’your sources’ have brainwashed you to believe, eh?

kurisupisu

Why would I listen to Putin. He lies. I get news from many sources.

Well, believe the facts then.

Russia has the superior capability to destroy my country in the world with nuclear tipped hypersonic missiles.

Why hasn’t he done so?

Because then his country would be destroyed by nuclear tipped hypersonic missiles.

Can’t quite be the dictatorial tyrant that ‘’your sources’ have brainwashed you to believe, eh?

Oh, he is. Go against Putin and you either fall from a window or you get poisoned.

Trump/Vance do not believe Putin is a threat to NATO, rather real threat of escalation of Ukraine Proxy War, direct NATO involvement due to long range strikes by Ukraine into Russia using NATO weapons & personnel.

NATO has sufficient nukes/deterrence

The NATO guy is just upset and rightly so. Apart from the pear-shaped pickle UAF are in, Russian forces overran the biggest lithium deposit in Europe in the last 48 hours and he knows it.

And he also knows Macron went to Poland yesterday to drum up support for his western intervention force and the Poles didn't commit. Plus, the idea is a bit of a mongrel with no real clear plan. On top of that the Russians won't accept such a concept.

DJT strongly believes NATO Members must invest FAR more of their GDP on defense to build conventional deterrence.

WWIII Escalation Risk w/Russia = TODAY's Ukraine Policy

To be honest, I don't read the articles here on J. It's either a lie or a mumbling . Therefore, I do not know if the author wrote this in the article: Rutte for the first time called for the allocation of part of pensions and social benefits in Europe to the production of weapons, specifying that NATO military spending should "exceed 3%." Rationally so:) Well, if you still have a sense of humor, you'll understand the ass that Europe may find itself in with this new military manager. In the company of those wet chickens, Ursula and Kaya, they will turn Europe into a real jungle.

NATO chief warns that Putin wants long-term confrontation

Mark Rutte was a disaster for Holland and is now a disaster for Nato. The last thing that Putin or any other Russian leader wants is a costly long-term confrontation.

Putin (like any other potential Russian leader) wants the US military away from his throat. Write neutrality into UKR constituation, like Switzerland and Austria have, and everything else is negotiable. If Rutte is stupid enough not to understand that or lying on purpose, I can not judge.

Ken

Well yeah, no duh. The US having Trump goes against what it means to be American. Dude is a threat to national security and Musk a foreigner used his money to put him in the white house. So America is cooked

If putting an end to endless expensive and murderous proxy wars means that America is "cooked", then I am all for the cooking.

I am still predicting that Trump will cut funding to Zelenski, thus forcing a negotiated solution, and that your media will blame him for the outbreak of peace.

Underworld

However, between 1917 and 1920, Ukraine was its own nation. It was on the map. And again in 1991.

Good grief, where do you get your historical information from? From Stepan Bandera books?

The civil war period you refer to had groups that wanted to create a nation, but never did so. And how could they, considering the different ethnicities in the area. "Maps" from the Russian civil war period can show whatever you want.