NATO will not be intimidated by Russia's threats, Rutte says at Ukraine mission HQ

Zaphod

Rather than spouting more war propaganda, he should remember what Nato was supposed to be.... a defensive alliance and not a tool to fight American proxy wars.

And so if Russia didn't invade Ukraine, how would America fight this "proxy war"?

They wouldn't be ale to do it.

So, you have to ask yourself, why do you think it is a "proxy war" if Russia could end it tomorrow?

JJEToday 03:36 pm JST

Certain quarters continue to operate under the assumed stance that Ukraine’s “capitulation” merely represents signing an unfavourable peace deal with Russia to create a Korean-style DMZ at the current contact line and "freeze" the conflict (and restore 2014 borders down the track).

Many of your compatriots bleating "peace nao" should be taking this message to heart.

If only and dream on. Moscow is not going to play along.

Very well then. I am fine with further russian casualties and so is Ukraine.

Certain quarters continue to operate under the assumed stance that Ukraine’s “capitulation” merely represents signing an unfavourable peace deal with Russia to create a Korean-style DMZ at the current contact line and "freeze" the conflict (and restore 2014 borders down the track).

If only and dream on. Moscow is not going to play along.

JJEToday 02:15 pm JST

Moscow will not tolerate Minsk Agreements 2.0 and all the trickery that will lead to renewed conflict.

That's fine: you're not getting any other agreements but a dmz demarcation.

The only way to settle this is once and for all and that also means a major attitude adjustment by the NATO Atlanticists in tandem with a security architecture and geopolitical realignment that fits into a multipolar world.

(What is left over of Ukraine being a neutral buffer state is just part of it, there is a larger issue to be addressed)

Russia's tiny pole won't be able to finish off Ukraine or make demands from NATO.

JJE

The only way to settle this is once and for all and that also means a major attitude adjustment by the NATO Atlanticists in tandem with a security architecture and geopolitical realignment that fits into a multipolar world.

Agreed. Ukraine needs to join NATO.

The only way to settle this is once and for all is to drive the Russian scum out of Ukraine and send someone to take Putin out.

As the acronym goes, FIFY.

Moscow will not tolerate Minsk Agreements 2.0 and all the trickery that will lead to renewed conflict.

The only way to settle this is once and for all and that also means a major attitude adjustment by the NATO Atlanticists in tandem with a security architecture and geopolitical realignment that fits into a multipolar world.

(What is left over of Ukraine being a neutral buffer state is just part of it, there is a larger issue to be addressed)

yet you negatively post about it 10 times a day like it’s the most important thing in your life: lol

You flatter yourself. I do this to kill time when it's quiet at work.

If you think I take your attempts at provocation seriously, you are really quite mistaken.

That's one reason I am hoping for a Harris victory (preferably landslide, so that Von Shitzenpantz can't try and raise a riot to overturn it): you will have to come up with a new shtick.

I live in Japan, I'm not American, so any effects of electing Trump again are going to be secondary or tertiary effects at most.

yet you negatively post about it 10 times a day like it’s the most important thing in your life: lol

ZaphodToday 11:59 am JST

TaiwanIsNotChina

Because some ah launched an invasion of a sovereign country in violation of the UN Charter. Also once the war is on, Ukraine is entitled to defend itself anywhere it needs to against military targets.

You seem still unaware that for the US this is a proxy war they can walk away from at any time, while for Russia this is an existential crisis. The only way to end this is to stop Nato expansion and write neutrality into the UKR constitution. I have many times recommended to read up on the background of the conflict, starting in 2008, or, one can argue, in 2002.

I don't need to read the words of apologists. Russia is not entitled to lobotomize its neighbors.

You mean before (in your dream scenario) Trump wins the election and promptly gives Putin carte blanche to go all-out.

What a patriot, eh?

He still thinks Trump won the last election and supports Trump saying he’s going to send the military after people who disagree with him

BlacklabelToday  12:39 pm JST

About 3 weeks to start the negotiations and wrap this up.

Hahaha- Kamala leading in 4 of 7 battleground states, Harris up 49%-47% nationally. You’re having a laugh.

acklabelToday  12:48 pm JST

You mean before (in your dream scenario) Trump wins the election

yep my dream and your nightmare. It’s happening.

Nightmare? Hardly. If he gets elected, I'll just laugh at you from a distance, along with most of the rest of the civilised world. (Xi, Putin et al. will be jumping for joy, though, at four more years of the useful idiot).

I live in Japan, I'm not American, so any effects of electing Trump again are going to be secondary or tertiary effects at most.

I would feel worse for the decent people living in the US, but hey. That's democracy.

Zaphod

Because some ah launched an invasion of a sovereign country in violation of the UN Charter. Also once the war is on, Ukraine is entitled to defend itself anywhere it needs to against military targets.

You seem still unaware that for the US this is a proxy war they can walk away from at any time,

No. It is not a proxy war for the US. Russia started this imperial war and they can end it.

while for Russia this is an existential crisis.

Nope. Nobody was ever threatening Russia.

The only way to end this is to stop Nato expansion and write neutrality into the UKR constitution.

Quite the opposite. The only way to peace is security guarantees for Ukraine, and that means memebership of NATO.

I have many times recommended to read up on the background of the conflict, starting in 2008, or, one can argue, in 2002.

You could do with your own advice.

Putin didn't invade Ukraine in 2022 because he feared NATO. He invaded because he believed that NATO was weak, that his efforts to regain control of Ukraine by other means had failed, and that installing a pro-Russian government in Kyiv would be safe and easy. His aim was not to defend Russia against some non-existent threat but rather to expand Russia's power, eradicate Ukraine's statehood, and destroy NATO, goals he still pursues.

You mean before (in your dream scenario) Trump wins the election

yep my dream and your nightmare. It’s happening.

NATO sees this as a war.

Russia sees this as an economic policy. Most of the Russian economy, that isn't oil-based, is tied to the war and production of items for it. Until Moscow is afraid of bombing, Russia will keep the war going. Russian leaders don't care how many men they get killed on either side. If Russia ever really though as Ukraine as a little brother, as we've seen claimed, then they wouldn't be killing them.

*You seem still unaware that for the US this is a proxy war they can walk away from at any time, while for Russia this is an existential crisis. The only way to end this is to stop Nato expansion and write neutrality into the UKR constitution. I have many times recommended to read up on the background of the conflict, starting in 2008, or, one can argue, in 2002.*

"Our existence hinges on our ability to attack Ukraine for no good reason whatsoever".

Interesting take.

I assume you also consider that going into Poland in 1939 was due to Germany's "existential crisis".

About 3 weeks to start the negotiations and wrap this up.

You mean before (in your dream scenario) Trump wins the election and promptly gives Putin carte blanche to go all-out.

What a patriot, eh?

About 3 weeks to start the negotiations and wrap this up.

TaiwanIsNotChina

Because some ah launched an invasion of a sovereign country in violation of the UN Charter. Also once the war is on, Ukraine is entitled to defend itself anywhere it needs to against military targets.

You seem still unaware that for the US this is a proxy war they can walk away from at any time, while for Russia this is an existential crisis. The only way to end this is to stop Nato expansion and write neutrality into the UKR constitution. I have many times recommended to read up on the background of the conflict, starting in 2008, or, one can argue, in 2002.

NATO will not be cowed by Russian threats but keep up its strong support of Kyiv, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte said on his first visit to the alliance's Ukraine mission in Wiesbaden, set to take over the coordination of military aid from the U.S.

....the military aid from the US which will be phased out, as the Middle East gets priority? This Dutch warmonger will have to eat his worth. Without the US, NATO is nothing. Rather than spouting more war propaganda, he should remember what Nato was supposed to be.... a defensive alliance and not a tool to fight American proxy wars.

BanthuToday 07:57 am JST

We are NATO. We are a defensive alliance, we are not offensive. We are not interested in capturing any part of any other country outside NATO territory

So why is NATO supplied equipment in Kursk in violation of international law and the UN Charter?

Because some ah launched an invasion of a sovereign country in violation of the UN Charter. Also once the war is on, Ukraine is entitled to defend itself anywhere it needs to against military targets.

He is right. Russia will go back in its cage as a regional power.