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Sure, the media aren't liberally biased...

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It's insane that he would edit the call like that. People are having a tough enough time getting through this mess and this guy added fuel to the fire....all for ratings.

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All media have agendas, this is why I stick to The Daily Show for my info. ;-)

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MSM being deceptive?!! Who woulda thunk it?

It seems you woulda thunk it over and over again. Why is it you see the need to constantly teach us how to feel about the media? Why not let us decide for ourselves how we feel about it? Anyway, since the 'media', or in this case NBC fired the producer, you claims about deceptive media fall short. It was this producer that was wrong, not 'the MSM'.

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about deceptive media fall short. It was this producer that was wrong, not 'the MSM'.

@Ben Jack: Yes he was fired, but he was only doing what he thought he should be doing, that is spinning a story to make it more than it acutally is. One just doesn't decide to slant the truth when one gets to the level that this person was. He has had a career doing these types of things, slanting stories to make them fit a certain agenda.

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He got sacked? A small glimmer of integrity in the very dark cave that is modern journalism! I certainly hope for more integrity (not necessarily sackings), but as most people eat up the drama created through lying and misleading editing, I don't think its going to happen. The customer basically does not care, and what makes this interesting news to most is not that a liar was stopped, but that he got fired. If he had just gotten a temporary suspension, and a tongue-lashing, this story would get a big old "Meh".

Drama or truth? Most most fellow man are short-sighted morons and will take drama.

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The entire media rushed to judgement that this was a racist shooting, so it shouldn't be a surprise they would twist the evidence to fit their narrative. They did the same thing with the Columbine shooting, when they portrayed the killers as neo-nazi racists, when they were actually anti-racists (one was Jewish), who hated jocks (athletes). The media kept focusing on the one black victim of the shooting to support their case, even though they knew this victim was an athlete and the targets had been athletes and other bullies at the school. All of this information on the motive was available to the media just by reading their online postings and using a little logic. But the media wanted to portray this as a racist crime.

So, the media's portrayal of this as a racist incident and the manipulation of the evidence isn't the act of a single, rogue producer. It is the worldview and agenda of the media. Another example, the Duke lacrosse rape scandal.

Bottom line, the producer is a scapegoat and NBC is going to be sued for big money.

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I just don't see this particular incident as an indictment of all media. There was an internal investigation and it was an individual that did this. Why they did it, while certainly up for speculation, is not yet clear. What is clear is that the act was seen as unacceptable enough by the network that they fired the individual.

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I just don't see this particular incident as an indictment of all media.

@Ben Jack: Look at the situation in the city where this even happened. You have the race hustlers like Sharpton and Jackson down there leading marches and rallies. Part of the reason is because of the release of the tapes, and the media's obsession with the "gotcha" moments to be the first to get a scoop. There were other aspects to this shooting, but when you have a national media outlet, fanning the flames it reminds me of the past in American history, when it was called "Yellow Journalism" and the false reporting on the incident on the USS Maine in Havana harbor led to the Spanish American war. Sure the ship blew up, but it was not because of Spanish doing but a boiler malfunction. But the press at the time didn't release that and played up the "it's the Spanish fault" and we should avenge the USS Maine.

Same principal here. Fan the flames to keep the story going. The more people protest like they are now, the more rating you will get from a story

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Whether he volunteered the information or was responding to an inquiry, his answer still shows he was aware of race. Whether he was following Martin because of his race is unknown and probably unknowable, but really, if the boy had been white, one could reasonably speculate he would not have attracted Zimmerman's attention. More importantly, the racial issue should not get in the way of what is more important: that anyone can gun down another in Florida, claim self-defense, and get away with it.

Some might like this story to just sort of fade away, like it was just one of the many, everyday murders caused by guns in the US every day - and I used "caused by" deliberately here: if Zimmerman hadn't been armed, Martin would be alive, and Zimmerman would be at worst facing an assault charge. He, like many others, was a dupe of the gun lobby.

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I just don't see this particular incident as an indictment of all media.

CNN also now has had to backtrack on its pathetic biased shoddy reporting.

It Was 'Cold,' Not 'Coon': CNN Backtracks On Its Claim That Zimmerman Used Racial Slur In 911 Call

The video shows Tuchman listening to the enhanced 911 call, as CNN audio design specialist plays the single word over and over, and then exclaims: "That sounds even more like the word ("coon" or "coons") than using it with the F-word before that."

However, in another video uploaded to the CNN website on Wednesday, the network backtracked from its earlier claims to admit that the word "doesn't sound like that slur anymore."

Network anchor Wolf Blitzer and Gary Tuchman and a different audio expert are shown unanimously agreeing that Zimmerman in fact said "fing cold" and not "fing coon" as earlier interpreted.

"It doesn't sound like that slur anymore," Tuchman says. "It sounds like - and we wanted to leave it up to the viewer - but it sounds like we're hearing the swear word at first and the word 'cold.'"

CNN's gaffe coincides with a similar incident in which NBC apologized for tampering with the tape of the 911 call made by Zimmerman which misleadingly made him sound racist.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/324776/20120406/cold-coon-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-911-racial.htm

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Ah, Sailwind, I see your logic: it was "cold," and so that justifies everything. Cool.

NRA dupes are rising as the NRA and their collaborators push states to adopt more liberal gun laws. People don't think clearly when stressed, and if they have access to a gun, they are apt to use it - with repercussions that will ruin their lives even if they are not convicted (and this is, of course, to say nothing of the victims, many innocent, many others guilty of simply aggression or stupidity). The WaPo just today has a piece on this American tragedy: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stand-your-ground-laws-coincide-with-jump-in-justifiable-homicide-cases/2012/04/07/gIQAS2v51S_story.html

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sailwind: as much as I agree that the media here was absolutely terrible in portraying things on BOTH sides, you're still talking about interpretation and not fact. They said it 'sounds like' cold, not that it IS cold. You suddenly claiming that it's more or less fact is the perfect example of how media affects the mindframe of the people. I didn't hear you saying it was 'cold' when the media said it was 'coon'. Why is that? it's because you only decided it was 'cold' after you were told so by the media.

As to the man getting canned, he deserved it, and then some, given the consequences of his actions. If any legal action can be taken against him (slander, defamation of character, etc.), then it should be. There is no place for people like this who would edit something so serious for their own political/racial slants.

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The thing about this case I don't think is properly coming out, is that, everyone wants justice. If the guy murdered the kid, then he belongs in jail. If it was self defense as he claims, then its a tragedy and he doesn't. Its that simple. When the loons and race-baiters decided to inject race into the equation, things went from it being a simple question of whether or not it was self defense, and became something different. The sleazebags at NBC, and the other networks that stoked the fire, did not help at all.

As to the man getting canned, he deserved it, and then some, given the consequences of his actions. If any legal action can be taken against him (slander, defamation of character, etc.), then it should be. There is no place for people like this who would edit something so serious for their own political/racial slants.

Completely agree. Especially considering the egregious nature of the change, to take what the man said and twist it to be something completely different...

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They said it 'sounds like' cold, not that it IS cold. You suddenly claiming that it's more or less fact is the perfect example of how media affects the mindframe of the people. I didn't hear you saying it was 'cold' when the media said it was 'coon'. Why is that? it's because you only decided it was 'cold' after you were told so by the media.

It is the perfect example. Martin is wearing a hoodie and it is because of that hoodie that Zimmerman profiles him of course the MEDIA told us that didn't they. It couldn't be that Martin was wearing the hoodie because it was actually COLD and rainy that night. Zimmerman goes to the Police station ABC shows exclusive video that he is not injured because you can't see any blood on his RED JACKET that he was wearing because it was COLD that night. (until it was enhanced and shows the back of head does have injuries....oops) He also doesn't say the widely hyped reported slur until AFTER he gets out of his car because inside the car it's WARM.

Secondly Smith I addressed it on my March 24th and March 25th comments on a different discussion. I thought at the time he said "effin crist" before they actually cleaned up the audio.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/mass-florida-rally-after-black-teen-shot-dead

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He got sacked? A small glimmer of integrity in the very dark cave that is modern journalism!

You know, it's true. But the thing is that Journalism, while it's had ideals, it has rarely attained them. I think it's wishful thinking that there ever was an age when journalism was about neutral reporting. Being neutral is really, really hard. Word choice, coverage, etc. all carry connotations.

Moreover, this gal or guy could have been overworked and just not realized how awful that sounds. Or, it may have well been structured that way on purpose. We don't know.

In any event, more important than this story is the impact of immediate quasi-informational dissemination and opinion in the internet age disguising itself as canonical. Infamous cases like these which get pushed into prime importance by the principles involved as well as third interested parties brings a very difficult question to the table.

How does one in this day, in the age of instant mass dissemination, control a case so that it not become tainted and that it not become tried in public by interested parties?

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"NRA dupes , gun lobby," all this is nonsense, an attempt to deflect and place blame on Repubs and libertarians.

Zimmerman was a registered Democrat.

An Obama supporter killed young Trayvon Martin.

The NRA has little if anything to do with this and trying to use Fla.'s "Stand your ground" law as a contributing factor in the killing is equally pointless. We wont know for certain until the forensics report is finally released but It seems more than likely that Zimmerman was on the gound when , in self-defense, he fired a gun he was legally allowed to carry. My guess is every state in the union would acquit in those circumstances.

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The Florida Democratic Party opposed the Stand Your Ground legislation (as, incidentally, did most police and sheriff groups). Bloomberg notes, "Killing Stalls Stand Your Ground Laws as NRA Lobbies in Alaska" - so at least one good thing has come out of this, for a short time, at least.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-30/killing-stalls-stand-your-ground-laws-as-nra-lobbies-in-alaska.html

As for your flimsy argument:

... It seems more than likely that Zimmerman was on the gound...

Oh? How?

... in self-defense...

You're supporting my argument here. How is use of a gun justified in shooting an unarmed 17-year old, whether he's throwing punches at you or not? How? Please define this "self-defense" idea you have. Do you think Martin would have killed Zimmerman with his bare hands?

... he fired a gun he was legally allowed to carry.

And he will have to live with this for the rest of his life. He is an NRA dupe.

My guess is every state in the union would acquit in those circumstances.

If that were true, it would be a sad, sad day. Tussle with teenager = cause for deadly force. Such sickness is beyond the pale.

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Not sure about Florida.

But most places I been to do rank you and your weapon/training danger level for self-defence situations.

In short the idea of having a "superior weapon" and thus can no longer claim "self defence". Most laws also claim that if you got a chance to turn or walk away from a confrontation it is is over and anything that happens afterwards automatically fails as Self-Defence and becomes an agreed fight. Big differences in the law and on escalation ladder for a conflict.

Most law-officer and that includes trainers I know, define "Self Defence" as being in fear of losing your life within the next 2-3 seconds if no life-taking action on your behalf is taken.

Phew, typed that and never mention a gun, race, etc.

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@laguna, don't worry, he's wrong about these kinds of cases always leading to acquittal. About half a year ago, one of Wisconsin's top conceal/carry proponents (based on a second amendment lawsuit he initiated) was sentenced by a jury to 20 years in prison for shooting two people, one fatally, as they were driving away from a bar. How did that verdict come about? Contrary to Lieberman's theory, juries don't buy the argument that "stand your ground" or "castle doctrine" applies to shooting unarmed business customers for no reason other than "he looked at me funny" or "he swore".

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"an Obama supporter" shot Trayvon Martin? Are you signalling that you've given up defending Zimmerman?

Anyone else flashback to that delusional college student with the self carved backwards "B" just before the last election, claiming a black man did it to her? That type is bound to be out looking for attention again.

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The Florida Democratic Party opposed the Stand Your Ground legislation

Laguna unfortunately that is not true. The vote in 2005 was unanimous in the Florida Senate seven years ago the final vote was 39-0. In the Florida house it was passed 92-to-20. It was popular legislation on both sides of the aisle then in Florida.

Also for the record, I'm still out if Zimmerman's self-defense (which we all have the right to defend ourselves) had actually reached the level of justifying the use of deadly force to protect himself. The forensic evidence, his actual medical records after the encounter and the autopsy results on Martin which we all have not seen yet would go a long way to either showing the response was within reasonable grounds or it was not. My whole issue is with the Media and how it felt the racist profiling narrative was more important then the actual facts of the case and denying any justice to all. I wish justice in this tragedy to be served for both Trayvon Martin's family and George Zimmerman's family based on the facts and where they lead and not the bias. As it stands now the Media has botched this so bad that if Zimmerman is actually charged I'm more concerned that he can't actually get a fair trial as is his right as a lot of the jury pool has already been tainted and that is justice denied to all Americans. The Media had a huge obligation in ensuring the most fair and unbiased reporting on something that was this sensitive. If this does go to trial and a not guilty verdict is returned and we have violence happening as a result afterwards the Media will have reaped what it sowed for the sake of the precious "narrative".

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The identity of the producer was not disclosed.

Translation: Even though we, a member of the msm, got caught out blatantly manipulating (i.e., lying about) the video and audio of the 911 call in order to turn what should be a legal case into a racial issue, we now expect everyone to believe us when we say we fired an unnamed producer.

RR

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Good. That last thing we need in this case is race-baiting from the media.

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It couldn't be that Martin was wearing the hoodie because it was actually COLD and rainy that night.

The temperature in Sanford, Florida, at 7 PM on February 26 was between 60-62 degrees. Rain was extremely light and winds were also very light at that time -- less than 6 mph. The coldest months in that part of Florida occur in December and January, and, by the end of February, spring is definitely in the air.

Zimmerman had left his vehicle and was running (with his jacket on) in pursuit of Trayvon. When most human beings exert themselves by running -- especially when they are excited and adrenalin is pumping -- it is not very plausible that they would describe 62 degree-temperature as "effing cold." Zimmerman's legal team is actually claiming that the word Zimmerman said was "punks" -- a claim supported by the opinion of one of the audio experts.

There as yet to be a definitive finding, but "punks" does describe the state of Zimmerman's mind as he gave chase to an innocent citizen.

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As it stands now the Media has botched this so bad that if Zimmerman is actually charged I'm more concerned that he can't actually get a fair trial as is his right as a lot of the jury pool has already been tainted and that is justice denied to all Americans

It is the former leadership of the Sanford Police Department as well as the former SA who bear primarily responsibility for this. They had good reason to slap handcuffs on Zimmerman and bring him to the station, but why they decided to completely buy his story and release him before a full investigation was conducted is a key question concerning those Americans who genuinely seek justice rather than mere equivocal lip service. The authorities in Florida had plenty of lead time from the time Trayvon Martin was killed until several weeks later when the real story -- of their gross incompetence as an organization -- broke.

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The legal process needs to follow its course. The legal process is not done in the press. They do not always present all of the evidence. What NBC did was cause a lot of Anxiety in the community. I believe the decision was made at the to levels and this producer is being sacrificed to cover NBC management.

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It is the former leadership of the Sanford Police Department as well as the former SA who bear primarily responsibility for this. They had good reason to slap handcuffs on Zimmerman and bring him to the station, but why they decided to completely buy his story and release him before a full investigation was conducted is a key question concerning those Americans who genuinely seek justice rather than mere equivocal lip service

Do you have any idea how the legal process works? You can hold someone for up to 24 hours without charge, after that, you must charge or release. They didn't have enough evidence to prove he was not defending himself, the law puts the burden of proof on prosecutors, so they couldn't automatically charge him. His firearm was legal, Zimmerman said it was self defense, at least one eyewitness backed up his claim, there were obvious injuries he had suffered. What could they hold him on? They had nothing other then suspicions. The point I'm making, is that its not the fault of the police chief, or for that matter the law. Rather it is the fault of the media, for blowing the case out of proportion, and injecting race into it.

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Do you have any idea how the legal process works?

Better than most, I suspect.

You can hold someone for up to 24 hours without charge, after that, you must charge or release.

Zimmerman wasn't held for anything close to 24 hours, despite the fact of a dead, unarmed, 17-year-old kid with no history whatsoever of violence. (Not true of Zimmerman -- who had a felony assault charge reduced to a misdemeanor. The guy attacked a law officer!)

They didn't have enough evidence to prove he was not defending himself...

The standard is probable cause, and the police had plenty of probable cause to conclude that Zimmerman's side of the story was total BS. Most importantly, the lead investigator came to that conclusion.

Zimmerman said it was self defense, at least one eyewitness backed up his claim

The second part of that is false. To be precise, at least one eyewitness backed up Zimmerman's version of how one part of the scuffle took place. But other eyewitnesses provided versions that gave a different view of the bigger picture.

there were obvious injuries he had suffered

Only one of the two officers arriving on the scene saw any sign of injuries on Zimmerman. We don't know what the SFD emergency team discovered. We know this, however: It took them less than 10 minutes to "treat" Zimmerman in the back of the police car while Zimmerman was handcuffed. They applied no bandages. (One expert of these types of calls found that extremely unusual in that protective bandages are applied even over minor injuries in order to prevent liability. The same is true with Zimmerman's "head injury." If Zimmerman suffered even moderate head trauma, it would be inconceivable -- from a liability standpoint of the city -- that he would not be immediately taken to a hospital for detailed screening and examination. Zimmerman claims his head was pounded against pavement to near unconciousness. The police and emergency team found no evidence of that whatsoever -- otherwise they would have handled him differently.

The point I'm making, is that its not the fault of the police chief, or for that matter the law.

The critical evidence is comprised of detailed, high-resolution photos of Zimmerman's injuries, backed by medical reports. (Is he lying when he claims he suffered one of the world's first broken noses without substantial bleeding and any marks on the hands of the person who hit him hard enough to break it?) Also, the evidence of the trajectory of the gunshot and the distance between the two people when the gun was fired. It is completely upon the Sanford Police to have collected that critical evidence within the first 24 hours of the shooting. If they did not, the media is completely within its duty to report on their total incompetence -- which allowed a person to freely walk after killing an unarmed and innocent citizen.

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Meanwhile, George Zimmerman, whose story has completely fallen apart based on the evidence, has still not been arrested. At least the civil case will net these poor people something. This is a farce of justice.

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At least the civil case will net these poor people something.

That and all the money "little Trayvon's" momma has made so far after she trademarked his name.

RR

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The temperature in Sanford, Florida, at 7 PM on February 26 was between 60-62 degrees. Rain was extremely light and winds were also very light at that time -- less than 6 mph. The coldest months in that part of Florida occur in December and January, and, by the end of February, spring is definitely in the air.

Thanks for the weather forecast that night. It was cold enough for Zimmerman to think that he needed to wear a jacket and it was cold enough for Martin to think he needed to wear a hoodie.

Unless you want to put suspicious behavior attached to this because of the weather because you think it was to warm instead for Zimmerman to plausibly say it was cold after leaving his vehicle and before he starting running (another fact you ignored and spun out). But as it was so warm Zimmerman still needed a jacket to cover up his gun and Martin was also wearing the hoodie to cover up his features because when its warm you also don't wear a hoodie, your call Yabits.

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The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.

NBC seems to have forgotten to apologize to Zimmerman and his family for their screw up.

MSNBC show host Sharpton is leading the lynch mob thru the streets and stirring up racial hatred. Why hasn't he been fired? MSNBC "contributors" are condeming other network's host for interviewing Zimmerman's family or mentioning Martin's 3 suspensions. CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC and other media outlets have been distributing every false bit of information they can find or invent.

Many in the media would rather be first to report a story than to get the story correct but in this case, the media has been conducting their own trial to increase their own ratings.

What is apparent is that police have no evidence that Zimmerman violating Florida laws. According to the laws of Florida - not those of the internet. The media has been ignoring this fact. Hoodies, Skittles, rain, cold, and witnesses who did not see the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman or the shooting do not change Florida law. Zimmerman was within his rights to defend himself from Martin's attack. Unless there is someone who is willing to testify in court and under oath that something different happened, all the supposition and fantasy in the world doesn't allow Florida police to arrest someone who hasn't violated Florida law.

And nothing excuses NBC, it's affiliate MSNBC, or CNN, ABC, etc from creating or spreading false stories.

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The Truth Matters - Meanwhile, George Zimmerman, whose story has completely fallen apart based on the evidence, has still not been arrested. At least the civil case will net these poor people something.

Hahahaha, what "evidence" are you referring to? Has a new witness come forward? Has NBC's techs created another fantasy scenerio that should be presented to the grand jury or the SA's office?

Florida law doesn't allow for a civil suit in cases of self defense.

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yabits - The standard is probable cause, and the police had plenty of probable cause to conclude that Zimmerman's side of the story was total BS. Most importantly, the lead investigator came to that conclusion.

If you're referring to the false story created by NBC or the lies being told by MSNBC host and lynch mob leader Sharpton or the now disproven "racial slur" on the 9-1-1 call as "probable cause", then you have no case. Most importantly, the SA's office rejected the lead investigator's recommendation. I wonder how many times the SA's office has rejected the investigators recommendations? 90%, 75%, 50% ?

Florida law doesn't allow the police to arrest someone without "evidence" and that's something that the lead investigator can not provide.

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RomeoR - The identity of the producer was not disclosed.

Translation: Even though we, a member of the msm, got caught out blatantly manipulating (i.e., lying about) the video and audio of the 911 call in order to turn what should be a legal case into a racial issue, we now expect everyone to believe us when we say we fired an unnamed producer.

Considering that NBC was caught and has admitted they lied, how does the public know that they have actually fired anyone? Are they now suggesting that the public should trust them? Are they suggesting that liars wouldn't lie again? I would certainly look better for NBC is they announced who they had dismissed.

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Thanks for the weather forecast that night. It was cold enough for Zimmerman to think that he needed to wear a jacket and it was cold enough for Martin to think he needed to wear a hoodie.

An accurate account of the weather provides necessary context otherwise sorely lacking. It would be grossly misleading to make any claims as to his saying "cold" without it.

A light jacket or hoodie might be perfect for weather that's about 8-10 degrees below standard room temperature, especially with a light rain. What's more, it's Florida, where the prevailing winds are from the (very warm) Gulf of Mexico. It is highly doubtful that anyone would ever describe the conditions as "[expletive] cold." The supporters of Zimmerman make the claim it was "unseasonably cold" that night. It was definitely not that. In fact, claiming it was unseasonably cold on that February evening can easily be verified as completely false.

You should take your argument up with Zimmerman's legal team: They claim the word is "punks."

because you think it was to warm instead

It wasn't warm either. (It was in the low 70s earlier in the day.) Anything below 45 might start to get in "unseasonably cold" range, but we were at least 15 degrees above that.

cold after leaving his vehicle and before he starting running (another fact you ignored and spun out).

Zimmerman was already on the chase when he muttered the expletive because, immediately after it, 911 was asking him if he was pursuing the suspect and Zimmerman answered that he was. We don't know how fast Zimmerman was going, but with the pursuit underway, it is more likely that his expletive and following word were directed to the person he was chasing -- as Zimmerman's defense team contends.

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His claims about the MSM are correct, NBC heavily edited the 911 phone call. ABC "enhanced" video and said Zimmerman was lying and not hurt at all, then after NBC got caught ABC came clean about their initial assessments begin wrong after enhancing the enhanced video and now CNN which claimed Zimmerman said a racial slur enhanced then enhanced audio and said they were wrong as well. They got caught, thats what they are really sorry about

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Ooh yeah NBC fired a person with no name and in secret to protect them. I dont think anyone got fired, just rebuked for getting caught.

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The supporters of Zimmerman make the claim it was "unseasonably cold" that night. It was definitely not that. In fact, claiming it was unseasonably cold on that February evening can easily be verified as completely false.

Like actually verifying your below post that claimed:

The temperature in Sanford, Florida, at 7 PM on February 26 was between 60-62 degrees. Rain was extremely light and winds were also very light at that time -- less than 6 mph. The coldest months in that part of Florida occur in December and January, and, by the end of February, spring is definitely in the air.

Sanford's mean temperature that day was 58.7 degrees / mean wind speed was 7.83 mph. Maximum Sustained Wind Speed 15 mph. Ever hear of windchill? Your facts are wrong, where did you get the Data? NBC?

http://www.almanac.com/weather/history/zipcode/32773/2012-02-26

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It is highly doubtful that anyone would ever describe the conditions as "[expletive] cold."

Do us and yourself a favor and l i s t e n to the tape, to the cleaned - up and enhanced version that the CNN reporter concedes sounds different than what they had "mistakenly" reported. This latest disgrace follows Spittlegate and Memogate (buh-bye, Dan Rather), and the Richard Jewel fiasco back in 1996.

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Sanford's mean temperature that day was 58.7 degrees / mean wind speed was 7.83 mph. Maximum Sustained Wind Speed 15 mph. Ever hear of windchill? Your facts are wrong, where did you get the Data? NBC?

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

It's much more accurate than your "almanac" site because it contains readings of temperature and wind by the hour, and therefore less likely to mislead others. It was in the low 60s at the time of the shooting. I was out this morning here in GA and the temp was in the low 50s -- quite nice and anything but [expletive] cold.

Do us and yourself a favor and l i s t e n to the tape, to the cleaned - up and enhanced version that the CNN reporter concedes...

I don't care what the CNN reporter or anyone else "concedes." With Zimmerman in hot pursuit of the suspect, his previous cuss word was in reference to the ___ that "always get away." He now cusses again in reference to the suspect, now having been identified as a black male headed towards the back of the property. Zimmerman is not giving us a report of the weather -- which is rather pleasant for a February evening. His own legal team claims the word is "punks." Others say it is definitely a racial slur. I will wait to hear what the FBI's experts have to say about it.

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NBC should release the fired producer's name so his address could be tweeted.

RR

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With Zimmerman in hot pursuit of the suspect, his previous cuss word was in reference to the ___ that "always get away." He now cusses again in reference to the suspect, now having been identified as a black male headed towards the back of the property.

Some hot pursuit. According to the 9/11 call the part the MEDIA left out........He lost him and followed 9/11 instructions when they told not to pursue him and he doesn't even know where this kid is. He calls him a kid the most race neutral term one can use after he had identified him as black. It's all right there in the transcript in front of your face and the lousy MEDIA ignored all of it in their hack job reporting. The trancript is from sourced from Mother Jones the most left leaning mag in America. I give them credit though at least they have integrity when they post information.

Read just after he starts to pursue Martin

911 Dispatcher

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, what’s your last name?

Zimmerman:

Zimmerman.

911 dispatcher:

What’s the phone number you’re calling from?

Redacted

911 dispatcher:

Alright, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

Zimmerman:

Yeah.

911 dispatcher:

Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?

Zimmerman:

Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck. [3:10]

911 dispatcher:

Alright, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

Zimmerman:

Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, do you live in the area?

Zimmerman:

Yeah, yeah, I live here.

911 dispatcher:

OK, what’s your apartment number?

Zimmerman:

It’s a home. It’s ***** – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

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t’s a home. It’s ***** – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]

People can listen to the actual recording and draw a slightly different (and much more accurate) take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg

Zimmerman is clearly saying, "I don't want to give (it or that) out loud ...I don't know where this kid is. (Zimmerman had not yet sighted Martin after Martin entered the walkway behind the townhouses.)

First of all, Zimmerman knows he is breaking the rules laid out by the Sanford Police in a meeting that Zimmerman himself helped organize in September of 2011. (No weapons; no pursuit.) He makes it appear that he is complying with the 911 operator's reminder of those rules when he says "OK" to the statement: "We don't need you to do that."

Zimmerman obviously believes he is potentially close to "the kid" or that "the kid" is potentially close by because he doesn't want to give his home address out loud.

Then Zimmerman makes it appear that he's going to meet the police by the mailboxes, ("yeah, that's fine") but then changes his mind in order to continue the pursuit. ("Actually, could you have him call me and I'll tell him where I'm at?") This clearly indicates that Zimmerman had no intention of meeting the police by the mailboxes, nor was he headed back to his vehicle.

Timing here is critical, because of where the eventual altercation took place: about 3-4 houses in deep from where the cut-through connected to the rear walkway. If Zimmerman is to be believed, then he would have to have been in even deeper than that before he decided to "turn back" and return to his vehicle. I do not believe he was even at the rear walkway when he ended his call to 911, because he was not in the process of returning to his vehicle, and there was probably another 40 seconds to a minute before the start of the altercation.

I give them credit though at least they have integrity when they post information.

It's a standard you should aspire to. The hourly weather information showed the temperatures that evening were in the 60s and there were no "17 mph" wind gusts in the evening hours, as some have misleadingly suggested. A gust at noon is not likely to have much of a "wind-chill effect" at 7:15 PM. Zimmerman's use of two other expletives were related to the suspect.

The "editing" of a day's weather to make it appear that heavy wind gusts and corresponding "wind-chill" occurred at an hour they clearly were not is just as egregiously wrong as the editing the fired NBC producer was guilty of. The former shows a total lack of regard for the actual truth, and the willingness to bend it in order to favor Zimmerman.

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The "editing" of a day's weather to make it appear that heavy wind gusts and corresponding "wind-chill" occurred at an hour they clearly were not is just as egregiously wrong as the editing the fired NBC producer was guilty of. The former shows a total lack of regard for the actual truth, and the willingness to bend it in order to favor Zimmerman.

Kindly explain how your not posting a link to the original weather data that you had and my trying to verify its accurracy and finding weather data that contradicted your weather information and posted the link and data was "egregiously wrong"? You weather information link as it turns out is more accurate than the one that I had found trying to verify its veracity. You did not post where your data came from until after it was requested that is not a total lack of regard for the truth that is a part of finding out what the actually truth is without spin. Thank you for the verification of your data after it was requested.

Also kindly explain how you got:

The hourly weather information showed the temperatures that evening were in the 60s and there were no "17 mph" wind gusts in the evening hours,

Out of: mean wind speed was 7.83 mph. Maximum Sustained Wind Speed 15 mph. From the weather data that I found for that day.....I posted nothing on wind gusts just what the site said was the conditions were for that whole day not by the hour by hour breakdown as your link does provide that and the link I found to try and verify your information did not go that deep into detail. Is this just spin again on your part?

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I cannot understand why so many people have taken such great lengths to defend a man who was not supposed to be armed, who was told not to pursue, and then killed a kid.

The story told by Zimmerman, that he was almost knocked unconscious doesn't match with autopsy report showing no marks on Trayvon's hands (how he broke a nose with out so much as a scratch to the knuckle or any swelling to the knuckles is beyond me. I've hit someone in the face, and my hand swelled up. The autopsy showed NO signs of a struggle). A bloodless broken nose...it just keeps going. The only part of Zimmerman's story that has any truth to it, is that Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin and within a week or so, I expect the reporting to go something on the lines of "we're not sure who shot who?" as Trayvon continues to have his name conveniently dragged through the mud, with no chance to defend himself.

To all of you defending Zimmerman, please don't try to say race has nothing to do with this. The rest of us just aren't that naive.

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sailwind,

George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin and killed him.

I just thought you were losing sight of that.

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The Truth Matters - George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin and killed him.

Zimmerman fired in self defense.

Unless you have proof that something else occured that evening.

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The Truth Matters - I cannot understand why so many people have taken such great lengths to defend a man who was not supposed to be armed, who was told not to pursue, and then killed a kid.

The story told by Zimmerman, that he was almost knocked unconscious doesn't match with autopsy report

I wasn't aware that the autopsy report had been released to the public. Are you referring to the statement by the funeral director who was paid by the Martin family to bury Martin?

According to State law, Zimmerman was allowed to carry a firearm. There is no State law that says neighborhood watch group members can not carry a firearm. The 9-1-1 operator, who is not a police officer, told Zimmerman there was no need to follow Martin. There was no court order or police officer request that Zimmerman not follow Martin if Zimmerman had chosen to. A Zimmerman spokesman says Zimmerman wasn't following Martin at that point. They also say that Martin approached Zimmerman from behind and to the left. Martin had a headstart and Zimmerman would never have caught up to him IF Martin was going home. Zimmerman's spokesman says Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman is supposed to have said he didn't have a problem. Martin is supposed to have said, "Well you do now", and the fight was on.

All you have to do is prove that Zimmerman's story is false.

Even NBC eventually got around to finding proof that their editor falsified the 9-1-1 call.

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Zimmerman fired in self defense.

Unless you have proof that something else occured that evening.

That is an assumption on your part.

Unless you have proof that something else occurred that evening.

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arrestpaul

Let me stop you right here.

A Zimmerman spokesman

When I can talk to Trayvon's spokesman to get his side of the story of the evening, then Zimmerman's brother will be believable in my eyes too.

What? Trayvon's dead and can't tell his side of the story?

WELL YOU DON'T SAY!

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That and all the money "little Trayvon's" momma has made so far after she trademarked his name.

RR

Allow me to translate that for anyone who is confused to what ramen said.

"I hate black people."

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"i cannot understand why so many people have taken such great lengths to defend a man who was not supposed to be armed, who was told not to pursue, and then killed a kid."

I dont think people here are defending Zimmerman. I think identity politics has again poisoned the well. As I have said before all you can do for now is defend the system. The shooter is not guilty until conclusively proven so. On the other points you are mistaken: Zimmerman had every right to be armed and tho told not to pursue the boy the dispatcher is not a cop whose word is legally binding. Where is the forensics report? Why the delays?Who benefits?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72zJvVQWutA&feature=youtu.be

NBC is lying when they say it was all an accident or they were rushed.

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George Zimmerman has set up his own webpage for people to donate money for his legal fund and living expenses. Just to keep it classy, on the website, he posted a picture of a Black Cultural Center being vandalized with "Free George Zimmerman."

I haven't seen the victim card played that hard since the Mayor of Hiroshima gave his last yearly speech on the anniversary of the dropping of the Atomic bomb.

You would think after going through that website that George was killed by Trayvon.

They also offer you the opportunity to contact Zimmerman. I did and said that I felt pity for him being in very bad situation with regards to the media but it was, in fact, a situation of his own creation. I also said I felt pity for him being such a weak person that he felt he needed a gun to protect himself and I urged him to turn to God and do the right and honest thing with regards to the investigation.

http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/Home_Page.php

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By the way, I decided to forego donating any money to his living expenses.

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And why Zimmerman has the whole site wrapped up in the American flag puzzles me but I get it and see where it's going to go.

Zimmerman = Good American

Trayvon Martin = Looks like Obama - Must be muslim.

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The Truth Matters - That is an assumption on your part.

Unless you have proof that something else occurred that evening.

Martin had a headstart IF he was running with the intention of going home. Zimmerman is saying that Martin approached him from behind and from his left. They exchanged words and Martin began punching him and knocked him to the ground.

That's the story that you have to disprove. If you have evidence that something else occured, let's hear it. And I mean evidence, not empathy or fantasy. The prosecutor needs EVIDENCE to charge Zimmerman with violating Florida State law. The burden of proof is on the State.

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The Truth Matters - Let me stop you right here.

A Zimmerman spokesman

When I can talk to Trayvon's spokesman to get his side of the story of the evening, then Zimmerman's brother will be believable in my eyes too.

You don't have to believe anyone. You're not on a grand jury or a petite jury hearing this case.

However, if you want to convict Zimmerman of violating Florida law, you're going to need actual proof that Zimmerman's story is false.

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Martin had a headstart IF he was running with the intention of going home. Zimmerman is saying that Martin approached him from behind and from his left. They exchanged words and Martin began punching him and knocked him to the ground.

That's the story that you have to disprove. If you have evidence that something else occured, let's hear it. And I mean evidence, not empathy or fantasy. The prosecutor needs EVIDENCE to charge Zimmerman with violating Florida State law. The burden of proof is on the State.

You have this completely backwards. Lets look at the facts. George Zimmerman had a gun. The gun went off. Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman confessed to the killing claiming self defense. THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

WHat you bring to the table, is hearsay and even I, with zero law degree, could get the "evidence" you provide thrown out of court.

Zimmerman's lawyer: "blah blah blah, georgie is the real victim blah blah blah blah.

Me: Objection your honor! SPECULATIVE!

Judge: Sustained, there is no way of cooraberating this information. The jury will disregard the previous testimony as it was speculative in nature.

How much longer before you start spinning this into Trayvon shooting at George? How much hate can you carry for a dead teenager?

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The Truth Matters - You have this completely backwards. Lets look at the facts. George Zimmerman had a gun. The gun went off. Trayvon Martin is dead. George Zimmerman confessed to the killing claiming self defense. THOSE ARE THE FACTS.

OK. You convinced me. Zimmerman killed Martin in self defense.

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"Editgate" - NBC is now stealthily fixing the posts that included their incendiary edits so as to minimize fallout - not that their MSM partners in crime are ever going to go after them on this. You rally have to wonder how many hundreds or thousands of times they pulled crap like this before the internet and citizen journalists and bloggers came along.

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lieberman is another one, like sailwind and arrested development who continues to completely miss that there is a dead kid. At least Molenir had the moral courage to be honest and say he didn't care that the kid was dead. It's a deplorable opinion but I still respect that a hell of a lot more than these hypocrites who actually think they have the moral high ground.

lieberman, would you care to comment on the death of 17 year old Trayvon Martin or is that completely out of your scope of reference? Are you going to be like sailwind and start throwing out weather forecasts and Chevy Volt statistics to make your point about media bias?

Lastly, do you realize how totally ridiculous you guys look? WOW! I wouldn't want to be your kids and have a black friend, that's for sure (then again, I can't imagine you someone procreating with you so....). Awkward!

Or do you guys pass the hate on at an early age? I'm completely in the dark on such matters.

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arrested development,

I mentioned this in another thread but I assumed that you would probably ignore anything that doesn't fit your prepackaged narrative so I thought I best blast it out.

You say that Zimmerman said this:

Zimmerman is saying that Martin approached him from behind and from his left. They exchanged words and Martin began punching him and knocked him to the ground.

You said earlier that the 911 audio said that the what could be described as f***g cn was getting away. Then you say he came back.

Now why would someone who was trying to escape come back? I am begging you, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, explain that to me. Please, try to put some sort of logic behind Trayvon Martin escaping and then coming back after getting away. WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? They wouldn't. Again, pretty please with sugar on top, give me an explanation that would put logic as to why Trayvon would do that. I know it'll be the best laugh I get all week because I haven't been able to catch the Daily Show so you're it. Entertain me arrested development! Please, I beg of you.

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Now why would someone who was trying to escape come back?

A charge of second-degree murder in Florida means that it can be demonstrated in a court of law that the person who committed the homicide acted with a depraved mind. There are several potential areas where evidence of depravity might be offered.

I believe that Zimmerman acted with a depraved mind and now there is evidence that the state of Florida feels the same way. I also believe that those who defended Zimmerman to the point of making Trayvon Martin out to be a fearsome man with violent criminal tendencies whose complete innocence could not be believed in were also acting with depraved minds. Those who tried to pretend that they know the details of the exact timing of the events to the extent of believing that Martin had a "two-minute" lead on Zimmerman, do not actually know anything.

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The Truth - lieberman is another one, like sailwind and arrested development who....

Another personal attack that has nothing to do with an NBC producer being fired or any proof of Zimmerman's guilt. Unfortunately, the SA's office doesn't have the luxury of name calling and fantasy to prove it's case in court. NBC deliberately lied again and they were caught at it. The lynch mobs don't require proof to convict Zimmerman. The lynch mobs don't even require a trial. The lynch mobs only need a rope and a tree.

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NBC producer fired over editing of Zimmerman's call

NBC/MSNBC are the worst for this type of journalism. They make the facts suit their worldview as opposed to adjusting their worldview to the facts. Once they found out Zimmerman wasn't white but Hispanic, they decided to report the facts and fire the unprofessional (i.e. racist) producer.

The media purposely hype white on black crime because of the reaction they know they can get from blacks and from other media outlets. They generate a national controversy then cover the resulting story. Instead of covering news without an agenda, they make news to suit their political leanings. It is not politically correct if the victim of a racial crime is white. They do not believe it is possible for the murder of a white person at the hands of a non-white person to be considered a "hate crime" regardless of the facts of the case.

http://www.corson.org/columnists/past_articles/elder/2012/040512.htm http://www.theblaze.com/stories/parents-of-murdered-british-students-criticize-president-obamas-silence/

American society will never escape racial problems when so many seek to promote them.

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Once they found out Zimmerman wasn't white but Hispanic, they decided to report the facts and fire the unprofessional (i.e. racist) producer.

I'm sure glad idiotic statements like that are standard fare for conservatives.

It is not politically correct if the victim of a racial crime is white.

Huh?

They do not believe it is possible for the murder of a white person at the hands of a non-white person to be considered a "hate crime" regardless of the facts of the case.

So, why aren't the white people who believe the murder of two British tourists is a hate crime doing something about it? Was the person accused of killing the two released by the police for over 40 days, or otherwise given preferable treatment? What more beside the life sentence given to the killer would you want to have happen?

I see. You would just rather wallow in your finely honed sense of victimhood because it gives you an axe to grind. Give Sharpton and others a lot more credit; they were at least willing to do something to make their case known.

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yabits - Give Sharpton and others a lot more credit; they were at least willing to do something to make their case known.

MSNBC show host and current lynch mob leader Sharpton has been successfully sued for defamation of character in the past. Sharpton has a proven history of lying, spinning, and twisting a story to increase his fame.

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