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Great. Now Ahmadinejad can finally respond to questions about his comments in 2005 by clearing saying 'No, I did not mean that. Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.'

Then these two can kiss and make up!

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kinniku wrote- "Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth."

No need for him to clear that up. Everybody already knows he never said that. He was only quoting Khomeini. And even Khomeini never said that. Khomeini said: "The regime (exact word, "rezhim" in Farsi) occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time." He didn't say Israel and he didn't say Earth. He never implied slaughter.

Moving on to, errrrm, important things, of course Israel is not planning to war with Iran! Getting to Iran by ship would be interesting. Throught the Suez and around Arabia? That would be fun! And by plane would irritate Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and through Iraq, maybe even the U.S.! And all of Israel's neighbors would attack Israel again just like they did in the last major war. Israel would probably win out but the cost would be high. Israel wants no war with Iran and I did not need Netanyahu to tell me that!

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dearjohn: And all of Israel's neighbors would attack Israel again just like they did in the last major war.

Are you sure about that? Iran has fractured Muslim solidarity with their actions. Many of the Muslim states are openly against Iran's nuclear work. They might criticize Israel in the public eye but beyond that they'd probably be happy to see the regime in Iran go.

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dearjohn: Israel would probably win out but the cost would be high.

Agreed, but the cost of a nuke going off in Tel Aviv would be magnitudes higher.

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Israel is the nation that has "secret" nukes and has broken more resolutions tha nay other nation, even more than Saddam OMG!!!,

Netanyahu is a dangerous extremist who wants to cleanse Jeruslem of Arabs and make sure his country dominates the Mid East with force.

I wouldn`t put it past the nutcase to attack Iran and cause thousands of deaths because him and his ex pal Sharon love to destroy threats whether imaginary or not.

Israel is a facist state that does not allow its citizens free speech about its massacres and illegal killings. Itwants Iran to obey its commands whilst it ilegally has over 100 nukes (according to MI5). Two faced nutters.

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dearjohn,

You comments managed to clear up the fact that I was correct and you backed it up with words that show I was correct.

"The regime (exact word, "rezhim" in Farsi) occupying Jerusalem should vanish from the pages of time."

The IRNA translated Ahmadinejad's comments and that is to what the question posed to Ahamdinejad was in reference. In respond, all he needed to do was say, "Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth." The thing is he could not manage to say that and never has specifically clarified his remarks.

In addition, you seem to see a great difference between "should be wiped off the face of the earth" and "should vanish from the pages of time" (which I am well aware is another interpretation of the Farsi). However, they clearly both have the same meaning in that he is suggesting a country, which exists and is recognized by the UN as existing, should not exist. If I were to tell someone I think they "should vanish from the pages of time". I highly doubt they would consider it a message of peace and friendship.

He didn't say Israel and he didn't say Earth.

He would never say 'Israel'. He would say 'Zionist entity' when referring to Israel. That does not mean he was not talking about Israel. He does not deny he was talking about Israel. Why would you? BTW, Israel is on the Earth.

He never implied slaughter.

He encouraged and encourages it both in words and deeds by saying the things he has said and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei saying that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain' does not help peace in the region either. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." This is the leader of a country suggesting another country disappear and then supporting groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, which are actively trying to destroy Israel and have that as part of their charter.

So, there certainly is no doubt as to the attitude of the government of Iran toward Israel and it is certainly not to encourage peace.

Israel wants no war with Iran and I did not need Netanyahu to tell me that!

Here I agree with you. I also think the US is not interested in getting involved in another war either.

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If they are not planning to attack, then why have they recently moved their warships closer?

Again this year, its rivals have demanded that Israel open up its facilities to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Even the UN has ask Israel to do so, over 20 years ago! And yet no sanctions.

Now Ahmadinejad can finally respond to questions about his comments in 2005 by clearing saying 'No, I did not mean that. Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.'

Oh no, not again. I already explained that when he was asked about that alleged quote, he responded with:

Ahmadinejad:"Our suggestion is that the 5 million Palestinian refugees come back to their homes, and then the entire people on those lands hold a referendum and choose their own system of government. This is a democratic and popular way."

So Ahmadinejad predicts the regime will vanish if democracy is restored! That is no reason to attack Iran. Wikipedia ("Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel") provides many sources pointing to it being a misinterpretation/mistranslation, with more comments by him and his foreign minister. There is no reason to use that wiping Israel off the map misquote other than to deceive.

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If they are not planning to attack, then why have they recently moved their warships closer?

Closer meaning what exactly? Not knowing makes it harder to comment. However, even without knowing, I would say if they have moved their warships that it is the same kind of posturing that Iran is doing. Hopefully both sides keep it at just posturing and don't take actions that would cause trouble.

Oh no, not again. I already explained that when he was asked about that alleged quote

Exactly. Thank you. You showed us that he did not refute it. He did not say, 'No, I did not mean that. Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face f the earth.' He went off on a tangent and never answered the question directly even after it was repeated several times. Also, Khamenei's quotes from this year certainly make it clear that popular interpretations, including that of Iran's own governmental news agency, the IRNA, of Ahmadinejad's comments four and a half years ago were also correct.

It is not up to Iran to decide which countries get to stay and which countries disappear in the region. Israel is a legitimate UN recognized country and Iran must to recognize it as such. Khamenei's recent comments about Israel and Iran's continued sponsoring of Hamas and Hezbollah, who both have as their goals the destruction of Israel, leave no doubt as to Iran's intentions. In this case, both Iran's actions and word speak extremely loudly and clearly. If Iran would like to really start helping the Palestinians, it is time they stop encouraging violence on the part of Hamas and Hezbollah and started encouraging real talks for real peace between Israel and Palestine side-by-side.

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He went off on a tangent and never answered the question directly even after it was repeated several times.

So if I said 2 years ago that the regime in Washington will vanish from the page of time. And then someone asks me "Is it true you want to blow Bush's brains out? And I reply "in the upcoming election, the American people will vote for a different regime"....

Ahmadinejad assumed people would be intelligent enough to figure it out, I guess he was wrong. The wikipedia page I mentioned provides more refutations from him and other government officials. To continue to repeat this "wipe off the map" is nothing but deception. If the zionist regime occupying Jerusalem feels threatened by democracy, tough beans!

Ahmadinejad also said: "There is no new policy, they created a lot of hue and cry over that. It is clear what we say: Let the Palestinians participate in free elections and they will say what they want."

He also stated that the Zionist regime in Israel would eventually collapse on its own. "I assure you... there won't be any war in the future," both the BBC and AP quoted him as saying.

It is not up to Iran to decide which countries get to stay and which countries disappear in the region.

Indeed, and the Iranian government has made that very clear, again from the Wikipedia page (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel)

On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister denied that Tehran wanted to see Israel "wiped off the map," saying Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. "Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned," Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English, after addressing the European Parliament.

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So if I said 2 years ago that the regime in Washington will vanish from the page of time. And then someone asks me "Is it true you want to blow Bush's brains out? And I reply "in the upcoming election, the American people will vote for a different regime"....

No. In your example you are talking about two different things: Washington (the capitol or the government, I don't know which you mean but either fits) and a person and then other person). In Ahmadinejad's case, with either translation, it means, as do you it seems that you want Israel the nation to disappear. Using the 'changing regimes' rhetoric is just that: rhetoric. What Ahmadinejad is suggesting is the end of the nation of Israel and replacing it with a Palestinian nation. Now, I realize you agree with this suggestion. However, it ignores the fact that Israel exists and is a country recognized as existing by the United Nations. As such, it is inappropriate and unrealistic to suggest that Israel being willing to submit to disappearing just because Ahmadinejad suggests it.

Interestingly in your post, you still have neglected to show anywhere that Ahmadinejad refutes the meaning generally put to his comment saying Israel should fade away, drift off into the wind or whatever words one chooses to use to say the same thing. He has never said, 'No, I did not mean that. Iran would never suggest Israel should be wiped off the face f the earth.' I believe the reason he has not specifically refuted it is because that is exactly what he and Khamenei's recent comments mean.

If the zionist regime occupying Jerusalem feels threatened by democracy, tough beans!

There is democracy in Israel. Iran is suggesting giving the vote to people who live outside of Israel. Understandably, Israel is against this. Maybe Iran will consider allowing all US citizens and Japanese citizens to participate in their next election. I wonder how much Ahmadinejad would like that democracy.

"I assure you... there won't be any war in the future," both the BBC and AP quoted him as saying.

Was he referring to Israel? Did he mention Israel by name? Did he actually say Iran would not go to war with Israel? I certainly would accept him using Zionist regime instead of Israel in his statement. Did he say this? When?

Indeed, and the Iranian government has made that very clear, again from the Wikipedia page (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel)

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei saying that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain' does not help peace in the region either. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue." This is the leader of a country suggesting another country disappear and then supporting groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, which are actively trying to destroy Israel and have that as part of their charter.

It is clear Iran is trying to suggest what countries should and should not exist and further is encouraging other countries to help one country into not existing. Again, I understand you agree with this line of thinking. However, saying it does not exist within the government of Iran flys in the face of the words and deeds of the Iranian government as recently as this month.

Indeed, and the Iranian government has made that very clear, again from the Wikipedia page (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel)

Sorry, that just seems to be playing the semantics card. Nobody can wipe a country off the map. You have suggested time and time again that Israel wiped Palestine off the map. So indeed you subscribe to the possibility that a country can be wiped off the map. As does the Iranian government. In addition, they do not specifically say that don't want to wipe Israel off the map.

Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war.

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There is democracy in Israel. Iran is suggesting giving the vote to people who live outside of Israel.

Israel, a democracy! You don't really believe that, do you?

According to international law, many Palestinians have the right to live there. Not allowing them to vote is like Bush disqualifying black voters in Florida a while back.

What I also find funny is how you say nobody can wipe a country off the map (which the Iranian leader also said) but you seem to have no problems with the zionists wiping Palestine off the map. Interesting no?

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Israel, a democracy! You don't really believe that, do you?

It is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of fact. All citizens of Israel have the right to vote and Israel and freely exercise that right. That is the very definition of democracy.

According to international law, many Palestinians have the right to live there.

No. This is incorrect. Palestinians have the right to live in Palestine, which they will do when they make peace with Israel and create their own state side-by-side with Israel.

but you seem to have no problems with the zionists wiping Palestine off the map. Interesting no?

Not particularly interesting because I have never said Palestine was wiped off the earth, you have. Palestine disappeared the minute Arab countries surrounding the new state of Israel attacked. It continued to wiped off the face of the earth when Jordan and Egypt took control of the West Bank and Gaza but chose not to give it to the Palestinians as they should have. Ironically, the best thing that could have happened for the potential return of the state of Palestine was Israel taking control of the West Bank and Gaza for the Palestinians now actually have a chance to negotiate for peace and get their nation. This was not possible when the area was controlled by Jordan and Egypt.

Anyway, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war.

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It is not a matter of belief. It is a matter of fact. All citizens of Israel have the right to vote and Israel and freely exercise that right. That is the very definition of democracy.

Granting only a select group of people citizenship and only allowing them the right to vote, wow, what a shining example of democracy.

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Granting only a select group of people citizenship and only allowing them the right to vote, wow, what a shining example of democracy.

I've got news for you. That is how democracy works. The "select group" as you refer to it are people who live in Israel. I don't know of any country that automatically grants to citizens of other countries. Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not citizens of Israel, so they do not have the right to vote in Israeli elections. You are not a citizen of Japan. As such, you are not allowed to vote in Japanese elections. It is not a unique concept.

I understand you think the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza should have the right to vote in Israeli elections. Probably some people in Korea think they should have the right to vote in Japanese elections (I don't know, but they may exist). However, they cannot.

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The Palestinians are not just people from another country.

If Israel respects international law, and all those who live there are treated equally and have the right to vote, then we can talk about a true democracy. Until then, its just an illusion.

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There is a UN recognized state called Israel. It exists now. It has borders and citizens. They are in Israel. Israel, as any country does, has a right to determine who from outside the country can and can't be citizens.

BTW, international law also talks about a comprehensive peace and compensation as an alternative to the right of return.

The Palestinians are not just people from another country.

They do not live in Israel, they are not residents, nor are they citizens of Israel. That is the reality. I know you believe it should be different, but it is not.

If Israel respects international law, and all those who live there are treated equally and have the right to vote, then we can talk about a true democracy.

Great! You have just described the situation within the borders of Israel. Thank you for acknowledging that Israel is a democracy. I know that took a lot of guts.

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Israel does NOT respect international law.

All who live in Israel are NOT treated equally.

Sorry to burst your bubble, again, but Israel is not a real democracy.

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Israel does NOT respect international law.

It does to the extent the situation it finds itself in allows.

All who live in Israel are NOT treated equally.

I don't know to what you are referring. However, all citizens of Israel can vote and run for local and national elections. You might want to check out the situation in Iran before casting aspertions on Israel.

Israel is not a real democracy.

By the definition of the word, yes it is. I would never say there is no discrimination or racism in Israel. There is. There is here in Japan, as well. However, both Japan and Israel are in fact democracies.

Now, back to the subject at hand, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war. In fact, from yesterday's Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

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Israel does NOT respect international law. It does to the extent the situation it finds itself in allows.

Allows? What Israel does is not "allowed" by international law, they are only allowed by western puppet leaders.

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Allows?

Make a situation in which Israel can exist in peace and the result will be nations in the region following the rules of peace.

Now, back to the subject at hand, Israel has specifically said they are not planning a war with Iran. They mentioned Iran's name specifically. The US has done the same. You may not believe them as is your right. However, their words do specifically speak to Iranian concerns about war. Iran's words do not speak specifically to Israeli concerns about war. In fact, from yesterday's Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

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Iranian leaders have said many times, from the very beginning, that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes; I'm surprised you missed that!

continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

Oh please, not that again!

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Iranian leaders have said many times, from the very beginning, that their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes; I'm surprised you missed that!

From recent Reuters headlines: "IAEA fears Iran working now on nuclear warhead". So, we have Israel on the one side specifically and clearly naming Iran and saying they are not planning war with Iran and we have Iran not specifically speaking to Israeli concerns and, in fact, continuing to use words that suggest encouraging the destruction of the state of Israel.

Oh please, not that again!

I agree. I really wish Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Ahmadinejad would stop using words like that. Yet, as of this month they still use them. This month Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said that 'Israel’s obliteration is certain'. In January of this year, Khamenei had this peaceful message for Israel, the Middle East and the world: "Definitely, the day will come when nations of the region will witness the destruction of the Zionist regime," Khamenei was quoted as saying. "How soon or late (Israel's demise) will happen depends on how Islamic countries and Muslim nations approach the issue."

This is the leader of a country suggesting another country disappear and then supporting groups, Hamas and Hezbollah, which are actively trying to destroy Israel and have that as part of their charter.

It is clear Iran is trying to suggest what countries should and should not exist and further is encouraging other countries to help one country into not existing. Again, I understand you agree with this line of thinking. However, saying it does not exist within the government of Iran flys in the face of the words and deeds of the Iranian government as recently as this month.

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