Netanyahu to Polish PM: Holocaust comment 'unacceptable'

Sadly there's no question in historians' mind that a lot of Poles had a hand in their country's suffering, while other Poles formed an active resistance against Nazis. Gagging history is not proper. To truly bury the past, it's best it be understood, not denied.

Many inhabitants of countries invaded by Germany during WW2 collaborated with the invaders. Trying to rewrite history 70 years after the fact won't change the truth.

Antisemitism had been rife for centuries in Russia and Eastern Europe. It extended to the UK, Canada and the USA, in terms of refusals to accept Jewish refugees in the 1930's. Us Gentiles need to accept this fact. It's painful, but it's a true fact.

Denial will merely place us in the same sad position as the Turks who are still trying to pretend that the Armenian genocide never happened, a century after the fact.

"He told him that the remarks that were made were unacceptable and that there was no basis for comparing the actions of Poles during the Holocaust to those of Jews."

How about Polish Jews Mr Netanyahu?

'Perpetrator' was probably too strong a word but 'some sort of' Jewish collaboration or complicity with Nazis before and during ww2 cant be denied and it occurred all across Europe.

Yeah right, as if there was no anti-semitism in Poland during WW2? I'd suspect the majority of Poland's population at that time was anti-semitic at that time and took a schadenfreude type view of the Holocaust, if not outright collaboration. One only needs to remember what happened to the Jews in the Baltics, Romania, and Ukraine at the hands of the local population (not the Nazis) to see that Poland's denials are delusional at best

Of course there were individuals, Jewish included, who collaborated with both the Nazis and the Soviets, both of whom mercilessly slaughtered Jews and others. Of course there were many individuals who did whatever they could to survive. And sadly revisionists will distort history to favor their culture.

Certainly no historian I've ever read

Snyder's Bloodlands is an excellent source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands

Big suffering yes but Soviet Union lost more than 20 million.

True, but Poland probably had more deaths per capita. China's suffering shouldn't be forgotten.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country

China were not part of the European war

Well aware of that. Just bringing up a point that Europeans and North Americans too often ignore.

And sadly revisionists will distort history to favor their culture.

If you include Israeli revisionists then yes I agree with you.

Imo most euro countries (am talking about the mainland) are fine with their past (meaning they 'own' it) and know that many of their citizens collaborated or at the very least sympathised with pre ww2 Nazi ideology and/or early ww2 until the implementation of the final solution; a white Europe without Jews, Gypsies etc was a very appealing prospect for many euros back then.

In my experience, the majority of ppl who still don't get ww2 or euro/world history are anglos (particularly new world anglos I have to say) whose only contribution to the debate is often some easy/silly "if it weren't for us you would all be speaking German today haha' drivel. (which isn't untrue as such and often warrants a "yep, possibly...and?" i.e that's precisely what many wanted/tacitly accepted!)

If any "Jewish collaboration or complicity with Nazis" occurred during WW2, it would have been so statistically insignificant as to hardly register, and would have been small-scale, on an individual survival basis. Certainly no historian I've ever read has ever mentioned it

Hmm, the role played by the Judenrat is still very controversial today even among Jewish historians.

@goldo If you include Israeli revisionists then yes I agree with you.

I definitely include them.

the majority of ppl who still don't get ww2 or euro/world history

I can only speak with regard to my fellow US Americans, and sadly have to agree.

That the Russians paid an enormous cost is absolutely true. It's highly unlikely the Nazis could have been defeated without them. But Russians too have revised their own history. They've blocked and unblocked then blocked again access to their war files. Some think they've done so to keep their own people from learning more about the numerous atrocities Soviets committed against their own peoples.

Poles need to get over themselves. Some of their citizens under the threat of an occupying army assisted in the Holocaust.

The same as in France. Yet for some reason the French don't make pathetic laws such as this.

The only pathetic law we have is sending people to gaol for Holocaust denial. Let the freaks wear the tinfoil and show themselves to all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Holocaust_deaths

but as if you degrade the deaths of 60million people in favour of 1,5-4million jews, then your post is goodbye. every women and child and their father is a victim. even Gaza, Yemen or Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.we need to chill out and share different food and music