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Netanyahu vows to invade Rafah 'with or without a deal' as cease-fire talks with Hamas continue

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It will be a blood bath and massacre.

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged Tuesday to launch an incursion into the southern Gaza city of Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are sheltering from the almost 7-month-long war, just as cease-fire negotiations between Israel and Hamas appear to be gaining steam.

It's kind of interesting to see how some parts of the world are naive enough to not believe that Israel will do what it says it will do.

If Hamas would stop using civilians as human shields then the casualties would be lower. Of course, if the Islamic extremist terrorists would release the hostages then there would also be lives saved. For Israel, it is about protecting and saving lives. For Hamas, it is about death.

It will be a blood bath and massacre.

You're confusing terrorists invading a music festival, people's homes, and murdering and raping young girls and women, shooting and blowing up children in front of their parents and murdering parents in front of their children.

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It's time Israeli Leaders demonstrate restraint.

What is Netanyahu thinking ? !

It's detrimental for every one - there is no gain for Israel in this.

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But its Hamas who dont want a ceasefire, right?

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But its Hamas who dont want a ceasefire, right?

Yes, and for those others who also have not been following this matter Hamas rejected a ceasefire just two weeks ago.

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If Hamas would stop using civilians as human shields then the casualties would be lower

Using this same logic, Israel building their IDF base in the Re'im secular kibbutz is also an example of using proximal human shields. Please explain clearly how it is not the same thing.

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Israel’s genocide against Palestinians will continue..

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It not about Hamas now,it about blood thirst Israelis politican,for a people that been single out for extermination,the same attitude is in people about Jews,that was carried the first Holocaust of Jews ,Jews were not the only people that single out for the gas chambers as they want the world to believe,when people wake up and say you do not have the right too exist,and they have the mean to carry it out ,you will not exists,this should be a warning too those,that do not listen too others concerns

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Blinken. . .urged Hamas on Monday to accept the latest proposal, calling it “extraordinarily generous” on Israel’s part.

Netanyahu said Israel would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas' last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck.

Netanyahu's government calls for "total annihilation" and the U.S. government call it "extraordinarily generous".

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The "human shield " thing wont die....VIVA !!! to it's resuscitators like Zibala.

On the Lebanese border war, the IDF have set up headquarters in a Community Centre, in an Israeli town, in Israel.

Sounds like "human shields " ?

Anyway, the article does describe the politicians calling for an invasion of Rafah and "destruction of Hamas " accurately....."Ultra Nationalist Religious Zionist Party "

Sort of an Islamic fanatical party in different dress ?

And "critics say Netanyahu is driven " by political considerations for his own survival.

Not the sort of leader one would want in a crisis.

He still has outstanding bribery charges to face in Israel and the ICC is considering ordering arrest warrants based on the withholding of humanitarian aid for Gaza.

Well, my frenemies on this site could propose that Netanyahu's impending Nobel Piece Prize ceremony could dovetail with his appearance as a defendant in the ICC.

Tie in the dates, save on airfares

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Netanyahu's government calls for "total annihilation" and the U.S. government call it "extraordinarily generous".

Biden is nuts if he thinks he can tell another nation what to do, particularly when that country is fighting for its very existence.

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Each death caused by this conflict was the cause of Hamas. They kept shutting down peace deals even when Israel supplied all the water and food (and left them alone - no occupation). They can give up all the hostages which is in their power to stop the war.

Israel has a right to defend its people and it has not barbarically slaughtered civilians. From the river to the sea is not a call for freedom from apartheid - it is a call for the obliteration of Israel, this teeny tiny nation in the middle of countries that hate them. It’s the call for genocide of Jews which is the goal of Palestinians and taught in their schools. The Jews lived in Israel way before the Palestinians settled there and never left.

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@Calej

Israel has "barbarically slaughtered" gazans for decades. Look it up. 2023 Was already the deadliest year for Gazans before October. Sure Israelis have a right to live in the Levant, but not at the expense of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians. That is called ethnic cleansing, and it is detestable.

The difference between Israel and Hamas is that Israel is actually carrying out ethnic cleansing they themselves fear, whilst they cry victim from behind the iron dome, billions of dollars in military aid, and ironclad military support from the US and Europe.

If Hamas is responsible for the deaths of all of the innocent Gazans, Israel is responsible for October 7th.

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Netanyahu is criminally insane! The sooner he is jailed the better!

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Bass4, Israel have a right to fight for their ,but not at the expense of American

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When the war is over so is Netanyahu.

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Bass, the US is always telling other countries what to do.

Heard of Venezuela.

And the "existential threat " Israel runs off about is inaccurate, and something of its own making.

How about a 2 state solution ?

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Spoken like a true war criminal who knows that Gaza massacre enabling Biden administration supports him "all the way" and has his back.

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""Netanyahu said Israel would enter Rafah, which Israel says is Hamas' last stronghold, regardless of whether a truce-for-hostages deal is struck""

So Bibi, what's taking you so long? you been bluffing now for about 3 months!!

As one Hamas leader stated ""will be more than happy to meet you there anytime of your choosing"

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Lots of American have declared war on Israel,they are showing their dissatisfaction of Israel

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The U.S. has repeatedly said it opposes the Rafah operation until Israel presents a credible plan for evacuating and protecting the estimated 1.5 million people seeking shelter there.

But of course the current US administration continues and will continue to supply weapons for the inevitable Rafah massacre regardless ( whilst protecting the war criminals in UN and other world bodies and silencing peaceful student protests ). Biden deserves to be voted out.

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But of course the current US administration continues and will continue to supply weapons for the inevitable Rafah massacre regardless

Israel promised not to escalate things with Ira, and in response the gave Israel the green light to do whatever they like in Gaza. I see absolutely no way that this doesnt end in even more innocent blood shed. Unless China stepped in, there is noone who can stop Israel. I feel so sad that this is the world my kids are growing up in.

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Hundreds of thousands of American university students are protesting about Israel.

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Using this same logic, Israel building their IDF base in the Re'im secular kibbutz is also an example of using proximal human shields. Please explain clearly how it is not the same thing.

You’d have to prove that the civilian deaths were an unavoidable result of an assault on that base. Unfortunately the videos of Hamas militants intentionally gunning down civilians kind of kills that theory.

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Netanyahu will do all he could to Torpedo any agreements with the Palestinians so he can save his seat and stay out of Jail.

Bibi is badly trapped now, Can't defeat Hamas, Can't bring the hostages home, Can't keep his coalition government from falling apart, Can't save his neck from the ICC, Can't win the support of the U.S., and can't win the trust of his own people.

Bibi is waiting in a miracle but it's NOT gonna happen this time. He dug himself so deep even his best allies are sick and tired of rescuing him.

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The "human shield " thing wont die....VIVA !!! to it's resuscitators like Zibala.

Because it’s true, that’s why you avoid trying to disprove it every thread.

On the Lebanese border war, the IDF have set up headquarters in a Community Centre, in an Israeli town, in Israel.

Im going to need a source for this. You’re claims are regularly false so I refuse to believe this without some kind of source.

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Israel has "barbarically slaughtered" gazans for decades.

Huh, it couldn’t possibly be because Hamas operates out of Gaza and regularly launches rockets out of the territory while hiding among the civilian populace could it?

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You’d have to prove that the civilian deaths were an unavoidable result of an assault on that base. Unfortunately the videos of Hamas militants intentionally gunning down civilians kind of kills that theory.

Surely Israel is also required to provide this same evidence...

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How about a 2 state solution ?

Polling amongst Palestinians indicates the majority don’t want a two state solution, they want a one state solution.

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Surely Israel is also required to provide this same evidence...

Yes, they do.

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Huh, it couldn’t possibly be because Hamas operates out of Gaza and regularly launches rockets out of the territory while hiding among the civilian populace could it?

Riddle me this...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/israel-clears-military-gaza-beach-children

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/31/weary-angry-gazans-bury-dead-after-deadly-border-conflict

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-number-children-killed-protests-reaches-50

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000

These were before Hamas even came to power...

https://reliefweb.int/report/israel/seven-palestinian-children-five-same-family-killed-israeli-army-tank-fire-beit-lahiya

https://www.haaretz.com/2006-12-14/ty-article/court-orders-criminal-probe-into-idf-killing-of-rafah-girl-in-2004/0000017f-dbba-d3a5-af7f-fbbeca070000

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/opt-number-children-killed-doubles

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Surely Israel is also required to provide this same evidence...

Yes, they do.

When?

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Biden administration is jawboning the International Criminal Court and says "If the court issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu and his ministers there will be no ceasefire. Biden also claims ICC has no jurisdiction when it comes to Gaza massacre war crimes.

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India is fully behind Netenyahu's valiant attempt to suppress the gruesome Muslim revolt.

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R. Kitchen

""Biden administration is jawboning the International Criminal Court and says "If the court issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu and his ministers there will be no ceasefire. Biden also claims ICC has no jurisdiction when it comes to Gaza massacre war crimes.""

Sad to see a U.S. president playing with innocent people lives.

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Zibala who seems to know the ethics of war and conflict.

Netanyahu is still around because United States of America, ally of Japan, is sending powerful apparatus of mass destruction to Israel. Plain and simple. US companies are making billions of money sponsored by Wall Street main investment funds (see BlackRock and Vanguard). They don't care who are they fighting and who is prevailing. There are no morals in the current conflicts, and I am not talking about the genocide perpetrated in Gaza despite a binding UN resolutions for a ceasefire. And while Biden approves more weapons sale bypassing Congress, Japanese media are telling people that US is building a floating pier for Gaza aid.

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Netanyahu has created a situation where more people in the world now oppose Israel than those who support it. The increase, and antisemitism and attacks across Europe and the US.

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To me Israël is right until I hear one, just one Palestinian apologies for Oct 7th. All I saw were, and not only Hamas, Palestinians celebrating on Oct 7Th and after and not one has so far apologized.

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Biden has never been a liberal, instead of doing the right thing,he end up doing the White thing, like a bunch White politican do, Black people did not vote for endless wars

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robert maes

Today 09:42 am JST

To me Israël is right until I hear one, just one Palestinian apologies for Oct 7th. All I saw were, and not only Hamas, Palestinians celebrating on Oct 7Th and after and not one has so far apologized.

Ok I will get them to do that, right after Israel apologizes for the over 1,000 killed before October 7th by illegal settlers with guns provided by Israel in order to illegally expand the 140 settlements to 280.

And right after Israel apologizes to the ten of thousands held over the decades in blackhole prisons with trial or charges before October 7th there were over 6,000 still held and UN reports say torture is used!

And last once Israel apologizes for the other 6,000 plus Palestinians killed by Israel between 2009 and October 7th with 2500 killed in non conflicts!

So, do we have a deal, you get Israel to apologize and I will get the Palestinians.

Good luck

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JboneInTheZone

Today 08:57 am JST

Surely Israel is also required to provide this same evidence...

> Yes, they do

Actually they don't, the Whitehouse had to backtrack on multiple occasions in statements after accepting Israel's original claims and never being provided any evidence, the UN investigation into claims by Israel about UNRWA again came back no evidence and Israel again failed to provide any evidence as it failed in the past attacks on UNRWA in Lebanon and Gaza going all the way back to the 1990s.

Israel has a habit of making claims, saying they have proof then never providing that imaginary proof!

And the reason it is able to repeatedly do this is because the USA will veto any thing the UN does or says that criticizes Israel.

So Israel has a free pass to make up as main lies and claims it wants without ever once providing proof.

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Using this same logic, Israel building their IDF base in the Re'im secular kibbutz is also an example of using proximal human shields.

No.

Please explain clearly how it is not the same thing.

Because the IDF doesn't use civilians as human shields. For example, how many Israeli citizens are in Gaza acting as human shields for the IDF?

Ok I will get them to do that, right after Israel apologizes for the over 1,000 killed before October 7th by illegal settlers with guns provided by Israel in order to illegally expand the 140 settlements to 280.

Ok, I will get them to do that right after the Arabs occupying Gaza and Judea and Samaria apologize for the over 6,300 killed in 1948 when they invaded and attacked Israel on its establishment.

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These were before Hamas even came to power...

Uh, no they aren’t. The first 2 of those happened after Hamas came to power.

When?

Probably once the conflict is over and there can be a proper investigation, that’s usually how these things work.

Actually they don't

They will if they get investigated by any international agency like the ICJ and ICC, so you’re wrong.

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Uh, no they aren’t. The first 2 of those happened after Hamas came to power.

Sorry, one of those is a report from October 2006, which is after Hamas came to power. However, in that article it desribes the 50 Palestinian children killed in the previous year, and over 800 since 2002.

Probably once the conflict is over and there can be a proper investigation, that’s usually how these things work.

Shoot first, ask questions later. Surely they must be able to prove the legitimacy of a target beforehand?

Anyway, we know they dont. there have been multiple reports about how targets are selcted and the IDF waits for suspected militants to be alseep with their families before killing them in airstrikes. Recordings of unarmed Palesintian youths walking along and getting airstiked multiple times. And confessions from IDF soldiers that killing in dsignated zones is indescriminate.

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Incredible how much polarization there is on this topic. And everyone seems to have their own reasoning. You do not kill over 30.000 people during a monstrous retaliation war. What Israel is doing is genocide, and ICC should use the same measures it did for Putin against the Netanyahu entire cabinet. People should wake up, same as they are rightly doing the students in the Us against the government in Washington who is trying to cash in on these terrible deaths. This is what Us Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said by signing the new decree to send weapons to Israel and Ukraine: "By providing approximately $50 billion that will flow directly into our defense industrial base, this bill will create good American jobs in more than 30 states even as it reinforces U.S. long-term security".

When are you guys going to stop justify these war mongering?

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