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New Texas abortion law pushes women to out-of-state clinics

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In a highly unusual twist, enforcement will be done by private citizens who can sue anyone they believe is violating the law.

this is straight up Hong Kong security law level stuff here. The possibilities for abuse are literally endless. This is how you get to real fascism, folks. Scary scary stuff. Texas “freedom” my backside

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In Texas you have freedom, unless you are a woman or a minority!

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Just for clarification, the 5-4 SCOTUS majority denied injunctive relief at this point, declining to interceed while the case was before the federal court of appeals and the district court, saying:

[W]e cannot say the applicants have met their burden to prevail in an injunction or stay application. In reaching this conclusion, we stress that we do not purport to resolve definitively any jurisdictional or substantive claim in the applicants’ lawsuit. In particular, this order is not based on any conclusion about the constitutionality of Texas’s law, and in no way limits other procedurally proper challenges to the Texas law, including in Texas state courts.

The three justice dissent was led by Chief Justice Roberts, who concluded:

Although the Court denies the applicants’ request for emergency relief today, the Court’s order is emphatic in making clear that it cannot be understood as sustaining the constitutionality of the law at issue. But although the Court does not address the constitutionality of this law, it can of course promptly do so when that question is properly presented. At such time the question could be decided after full briefing and oral argument, with consideration of whether interim relief is appropriate should enforcement of the law be allowed below.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/21a24_8759.pdf .

The litigation is still alive.

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Texas is going to push every white suburban woman, every woman of color, basically right into arms of the Democratic party.

Thanks religious zealots, you just helped turn the "Great" state of TX purple.

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First they took away the rights of many people to vote. Now they're taking away a woman's right to abort, even in cases of rape and incest. What on earth will those crazy Texans think up next? Don't mess with Texas because Texas is gonna mess with you.

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What can you expect from a deep south state that still lives in the 1800's that claims to be religiously and hypocritically pro-life while worshiping their assault rifles, their pistols, their long knives and wanting to get rid of all the minorities dreaming of being a fundamentalist christian white utopia ??..

Those who can exercise their right to abortion to go to other states and manage to live in another more developed, modern and friendly place than Texas, including Mexico..

If you want abortions to end, then promote and spread the use of the MORNING AFTER PILL, that is the best solution!..

Sexuality must be educated and not religiously demonized..

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Thanks religious zealots, you just helped turn the "Great" state of TX purple.

What is ironic about this is that it has driven some Texas churches to openly call for reproductive freedom for women.

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This legislation is being passed by rural legislature,all the urban population make up the majority of the population, Pelosi going nuclear,by making abortion a national law, Google Pelosi Abortion Bill

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Almost makes me wish Texas would go through with the threat made immediately losing their Supreme Court challenge to the last Presidential election by their former state Republican party chair Allen West to secede. I sure would not stop them. Let Texas secede, grant Washington DC statehood, the number of stars on the flag or the number of Senators doesn't change and life goes on. You can always tell a Texan but you can't tell them much.

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Has anyone actually read what is being legislated. Its not an outright ban.

Personally i am not unreservedly pro life but this is another great example of argument over a headline that doesnt actually tell the full story.

Also if Texas elected representatives pass this then it is democratic and if people are right that the majority in Texas are against this they can vote for a new government.

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this is straight up Hong Kong security law level stuff here. The possibilities for abuse are literally endless. This is how you get to real fascism, folks. Scary scary stuff. Texas “freedom” my backside

The part of the law that is almost certainly unconstitutional is the provision to allow any Texas citizen to sue anyone thought to have provided an abortion. To have standing in a civil suit under US law the plaintiff must demonstrate they suffered direct loss by the act(s) of the defendant in the suit, and they must show that the redress sought will compensate the plaintiff for their loss and end the act that caused the loss in the first place. I cannot see an instance where someone other than perhaps the father of a fetus can claim any loss and thus have standing to sue in any court in the US. Whether that is enough to have the whole law declared unconstitutional depends on whether the courts consider that provision to be "severable" from the rest of the law.

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An online search led her to Fund Texas Choice and the Lilith Fund, another organization that offers financial assistance to Texans seeking abortions. They offered to pay for a flight to New Mexico.

"Lilith Fund" ? That's pretty macabre to name it that.

Lilith is a female Demon of the night and Succubus who flies about searching for newborn children to kidnap or strangle and sleeping men to seduce in order to produce Demon children. (Source: https://occult-world.com/lilith/)

The name tells me all I need to know about it.

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Old white men shouldn't be telling women how to handle their own health choices. That goes for abortion and which health care insurance they are allowed to buy.

Making someone who can afford to leave the state for health care is just as wrong as forcing someone to give birth.

That woman in the photo with the "we will adopt your baby" sign - what's her number? Which organization does she represent? I bet there are 1000 women who would prefer to hand over their newborns to a REPUTABLE organization.

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This law even bans abortions for cases or rape and incest, which is where a lot of people draw the line. Pretty crazy stuff.

On top of that, they went out of their way to make sure people who sued and lost don't have to pay court costs. If anyone here lives in Texas, I could sue you over and over again and you'd have to come out of pocket each time to defend yourself with no chance of getting your money back. You don't have to perform the abortion, just “aid or abet," like driving someone to a clinic.

Go ahead and prove you didn't...in court....with your lawyer.

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The government feels it’s ok to tell me what drugs to put in my body and that I have to take it and accept it because it’s from the government, but a State creating a law to protect the unborn violates every privacy norms? Like the left always say, deal with it.

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Has anyone actually read what is being legislated. Its not an outright ban. 

Personally i am not unreservedly pro life but this is another great example of argument over a headline that doesnt actually tell the full story.

Wakarimasen, I’m not talking about the ban itself, but rather the Texas legislature deputizing the religious right to enforce that ban to the point of offering financial reward. Really Really bad. Not defendable if you have any belief in “freedom”

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As an American, I find that there are a number of things about my own country that are both embarrassing and shameful, but the worst of these is the manic competition between Florida and Tejas to see who is the most flat out CRAZY...and, again, my theory for that is little pubescent White boys out in that intense southern SUMMER SUN playing baseball wearing hats and poaching their brains during a most important time of brain development and reorganization...perhaps it should be 'Only mad dogs and White kids..."

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America is becoming more and more like a communist state.

Communist? No.

Try autocratic, totalitarian, despotic, oppressive, illiberal, repressive, dictatorial.

And backward.

That woman in the photo with the "we will adopt your baby" sign 

Standing in a crowd of close-packed, maskless, authoritarian, probably evangelical, freedumb lovers, who readily dictate what women with whom they have no connection should do with their lives while likely clinging onto their own 'my body, my right to choose' when it comes to masking up and getting the vaccine.

Why on earth does she imagine anyone would want to entrust the raising of a child to the likes of those people?

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bass: Like the left always say, deal with it.

Don't you live in Texas? If a family member or loved one or friend is raped and becomes pregnant, you'll just tell them deal with it? I sincerely hope you don't have daughters or sisters.

And I hope you have cheap lawyers. Zichi could file a complaint against you, but choose not to sue. Then I'm allowed to sue you on his behalf. I hope you don't mind transferring your wealth to lawyers.

This isn't how laws are supposed to work in this country. It's going to cause chaos.

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Why on earth does she imagine anyone would want to entrust the raising of a child to the likes of those people?

The fact that she wants the children to live?

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If a family member or loved one or friend is raped and becomes pregnant, you'll just tell them deal with it?

But that’s not the majority of cases. You know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it. The truth remains that places like planned parenthood abort babies all day long, and the vast majority of the procedures is done on people of color. The fact remains abortion is a branch of white supremacy.

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‘Freedom’ when shouted by many far right white nationalists, seems to mean, if the country has to have laws they should only apply to women and people of color, not to white males See what the freedom shouting mostly white male insurrectionists did on Jan 6th, and think they should not be prosecuted for having done  

The far right’s freedom also seems to be economy-based, e.g. anything I do to make more money for myself and my company should be allowed. Because I am a ‘free’ white male I should be allowed to do whatever I want on the property I or my company owns. If I want to dump toxic waste, I should be ‘free’ to do so wherever and whenever I want. After all, pollution usually has the most negative effects on poor people and people of color.(See Louisiana Cancer Alley for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Alley

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Pernicious, but this is the Republican Party.

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Even for rape and incest.

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Even for rape and incest.

Yes, exactly. Can you believe that????!!!!

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That sign in the photo: We will adopt your baby.

Yeah, sure.

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This Trumpified Scotus outfit is enabling American fascism creep, and this, their latest, pointed symbolic move, has pushed the envelope too far. There will have to be consequences for conservative extremists because this sneaky attempt to overturn the established principles of Roe vs Wade is setting off alarm bells all over the country and will surely serve as a wake-up call to arouse "sleepy Joe" from his illusory "bi-partisan" reverie. Before it's too late, Biden needs to take off the gloves and GET PACKIN'!

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Seems Republicans value lives. Nothing wrong with that.

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Seems Republicans value lives.

LOL!!!!!

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how about dealing with the underlying causes of why this many abortions would be necessary?

its not like you "catch" pregnancy.

An Oklahoma clinic had received more than double its number of typical inquiries, two-thirds of them from Texas. A Kansas clinic is anticipating a patient increase of up to 40% based on calls from women in Texas. A Colorado clinic that already had started seeing more patients from other states was preparing to ramp up supplies and staffing in anticipation of the law taking effect.

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Seems Republicans value lives.

Except when it involves social distancing and wearing a mask?

its not like you "catch" pregnancy.

Yeah yeah, it's all the woman's fault and mistakes never happen.

Maybe the ladies of Texas need to take a leaf out of the book of the ladies of Lesbos. Turn off the tap until the men come to their senses.

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a State creating a law to protect the unborn violates every privacy norms? Like the left always say, deal with it.

Bass, when libs get deputized by the government to sue you and any who support you for not getting vaccinated, for a $10,000 reward, while you can’t even get your court fees refunded after you win then maybe you’ll have a point.

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Yep, by not sleeping with anyone you wouldnt consider to have a child with. thats a good start.

Maybe the ladies of Texas need to take a leaf out of the book of the ladies of Lesbos. Turn off the tap until the men come to their senses.

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Communist? No.

I vehemently disagree.

Try autocratic, totalitarian, despotic, oppressive, illiberal, repressive, dictatorial.

And backward.

Getting there, look at California and New York, just summed it up.

Standing in a crowd of close-packed, maskless, authoritarian, probably evangelical, freedumb lovers, who readily dictate what women with whom they have no connection should do with their lives while likely clinging onto their own 'my body, my right to choose' when it comes to masking up and getting the vaccine.

Flipmode

Why on earth does she imagine anyone would want to entrust the raising of a child to the likes of those people?

Hmmmm….

Don't you live in Texas? If a family member or loved one or friend is raped and becomes pregnant, you'll just tell them deal with it? I sincerely hope you don't have daughters or sisters.

I do, but if that were the case, we have other States where we could go to.

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if this is 6 inquiries instead of 3 and a patient increase of 1 or 2 people then its not really a problem and stats are being used disingenuously to push a false narrative.

If there are actually hundreds or thousands of people overwhelming the capacity of abortion clinics, well there is a different cause and problem.

more than double its number of typical inquiries, two-thirds of them from Texas. A Kansas clinic is anticipating a patient increase of up to 40%

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Noidall: But that’s not the majority of cases. You know it, I know it, they know it, we all know it. 

Yep. And Republicans banned it anyway. Despite the small numbers.

They weren't satisfied unless they could put full extremism on display, regardless of how infrequently it would be applied.

Gotta hunt all those women down and make them pay. Every last one of them.

No exceptions.

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‘Freedom’ when shouted by many far right white nationalists,

White people aren’t the only ones that like freedom.

seems to mean, if the country has to have laws they should only apply to women and people of color, not to white males

Who said that exactly, proof please.

See what the freedom shouting mostly white male insurrectionists did on Jan 6th,

Jan 6th or the Summer riots of last year have nothing to do with Texas and this law.

The far right’s freedom also seems to be economy-based, e.g. anything I do to make more money for myself and my company should be allowed.

So big tech are raking in trillions based on what reason? Out of the kindness of their hearts?

Because I am a ‘free’ white male I should be allowed to do whatever I want on the property I or my company owns. If I want to dump toxic waste, I should be ‘free’ to do so wherever and whenever I want. After all, pollution usually has the most negative effects on poor people and people of color.(See Louisiana Cancer Alley for example.

So what you’re essentially saying cutting through the mustard is that everyone has the right to say and do as they please, even break the law if need be, but if you’re white snd a male you shouldn’t be allowed to do anything? Whites shouldn’t have any rights, you don’t think that’s a bit racist?

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GGotta hunt all those women down and make them pay. Every last one of them.

No exceptions.

think it’s even better than that, SuperLib. It’s not the women themselves who get sued, rather anybody and everybody who helped them in any way. It’s collective punishment, dished out with state government approval by the Texas religious right.

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