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New York drives towards first US congestion charge

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By Peter HUTCHISON

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It's a win, win, win for transit, traffic and the environment," 

and for actual people?

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How do the yellow cabs feel about it?

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Keep it, never been there, never will.

Too many other places in the world to go.

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New York was never designed for cars.

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Always coming up with new taxes. How about spending less or cutting costs to fund this?

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He earns around $300 to $400 a week and is already struggling to pay off a $170,000 loan he owes for his taxi permit.

So, he is going to have to work 340 weeks, at $500 per week, to pay it off! Only about 6 1/2 years!

Why?

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Always coming up with new taxes. How about spending less or cutting costs to fund this?

When have you ever heard of any government anywhere "spending less" to fund something they can get funding for, by increasing taxes?

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My family have lived in NY for more than 30 years. They have never owned car and use the subway. Going out of town they hire a car.

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If they put that money into the deteriorating public transportation then sounds like a good idea.

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New York is a great city especially for the arts and music.

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The MTA estimates that the pricing will generate $1 billion annually for subway improvements.

just cut the 2 billion allocated this year for housing illegal immigrants. Then double the money and don’t need a new tax.

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Government cant even solve homelessness. which is an easy concept that just involves everyone having a place to live by government building/purchasing homes with money. Easy.

but it you pay a trillion more in taxes a year, they can solve such a complex problem as climate change- something that money doesn’t solve easily at all.

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The ten states with the most homeless are California, New York, Florida, Texas, Washington, Massachusetts, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Ohio.

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California is by far the worst. I lived there 5 years and unfortunately there is a lot of false compassion, but no action is taken because current homeowners have disproportionate political, economic and zoning power and will do nothing to jeopardize their excellent monopoly on housing and massive wealth.

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Trump said he would resolve the homelessness but he never did.

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Good thing the article isn’t about Trump then

gonna indict him for “lying” about that too?

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Blacklabel

your last 30 comments are all negative. It must drain you.

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Biden Administration Announces $365 Million In Funding To Address Unsheltered Homelessness

and how much was given to Ukraine again?

Yeah lots of “negative” but true things happening these days.

Maybe one of the many reasons why we need a leadership change?

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You had a leadership change 2&1/2 years ago.

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Living in a negative bubble is bad for your health.

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Maybe that’s why 70-80% of Americans say the USA is headed “in the wrong direction”?

as a non American - what do you see as a positive thing happening right now in the USA? What’s going well and better than ever before under Democrats?

Isn’t “the news” all negative? You just don’t notice because you are somehow happy to see USA falling apart and acting like a 3rd world socialist dictatorship.

tell me some good news would love to hear it.

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Most importantly nothing I am saying is untrue, everything factual.

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Blacklabel

Government cant even solve homelessness. which is an easy concept that just involves everyone having a place to live by government building/purchasing homes with money. Easy.

you introduced the topic of homelessness.

Good thing the article isn’t about Trump then

> gonna indict him for “lying” about that too?

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Blacklabel

Maybe that’s why 70-80% of Americans say the USA is headed “in the wrong direction”?

That is not correct.

as a non American - what do you see as a positive thing happening right now in the USA? What’s going well and better than ever before under Democrats?

> Isn’t “the news” all negative? You just don’t notice because you are somehow happy to see USA falling apart and acting like a 3rd world socialist dictatorship.

You could try your Fox News, there are many others.

https://www.foxnews.com/category/good-news

tell me some good news would love to hear it.

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That is not correct.

Is correct. And has been for some time, back to 2.5 years ago coincidentally.

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74% wrong direction.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/25/us-voters-bitter-about-nations-direction-74-say-its-on-the-wrong-track/amp/

unnecessary taxes or forcing people to ride subways or walk unsafe streets to violently assaulted or killed (especially if Asian) doesn’t help.

anybody gonna help you? Nope last guy that did, he was arrested for helping.

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walk unsafe streets to violently assaulted or killed (especially if Asian) doesn’t help.

Says more about the state of 'murica then anything else.

Not something a Londoner would have had to put forward as a counter argument when the congestion charge was brought in.

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I would feel safer in any US city than London because I know the dangers and can gauge risk in my own country.

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BlacklabelAug. 7 05:37 pm JST

Government cant even solve homelessness. which is an easy concept that just involves everyone having a place to live by government building/purchasing homes with money. Easy.

What makes you think building $100,000 homes is cheap or practical? In fact 100k is probably an underestimate. I thought you were against handouts. We're not going to build them homes in the Mojave desert and we aren't going to lock them up for life which is also extremely expensive.

Maybe that’s why 70-80% of Americans say the USA is headed “in the wrong direction”?

It surely couldn't be because people are ijits and only reporting what Fox news tells them. Don't worry, though, because Bidenomics is so strong it is breaking through all of that.

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BlacklabelAug. 7 07:25 pm JST

anybody gonna help you? Nope last guy that did, he was arrested for helping.

Yeah if you put an unarmed person in a headlock until death, you are going to risk that.

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I have mixed feelings. Free market economists have been advocating congestion pricing for over four decades that I am aware of, having first heard about it in 1979 or 1980. The idea is that road space is a scarce commodity so allocate it to the highest valued users though price. When demand is greatest, set the price higher. When demand is lower, set the price lower. Set prices high enough to greatly reduce or eliminate congestion because those who do not absolutely need to drive into the city will use other forms of transportation. That at least is how economists pitch the idea, and it is emphatically not a new one. It is neither liberal nor conservative. Economists like to use price to allocate scarce goods or services. It is seen by economists as being more efficient than any other means. I recall Singapore was using congestion pricing in the late 1980s. Every car had a transponder and sensors in the city recorded your passage and generated your monthly bill. It's a tool available to reduce congestion and based on the experience in Singapore it achieves the desired results.

Having said that I don't want a transponder in my car, don't want a government agency or insurance companies tracking my driving. Just don't want it. It's why I don't have a transponder to use toll lanes on freeways in our state. With that in mind I don't know what the answer is to reduce congestion that doesn't offend some sensibilities regarding privacy. It might be a good trade off for some but not for me.

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as a non American - what do you see as a positive thing happening right now in the USA? What’s going well and better than ever before under Democrats

Record employment measured in absolute numbers of Americans with a job for one. An amazingly low 3.5% unemployment rate for another. The labor force participation rate has risen to 62.6%, up from 60% when Mr. Biden took office. We are rapidly building a domestic supply chain for Li batteries. Those are just off the top of my head.

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What makes you think building $100,000 homes is cheap or practical? 

and 2 billion a year to house just illegals just in New York City in luxury hotels is?

how many permanent houses is 2 billion?

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Blacklabel

   What makes you think building $100,000 homes is cheap or practical?

> and 2 billion a year to house just illegals just in New York City in luxury hotels is?

> how many permanent houses is 2 billion?

Illegals bussed from Texas and sleeping on the streets.

https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/569920.jpg

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