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New Zealand announces changes to agricultural emissions scheme to help farmers

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"It shows the Government is listening to sector and Maori views and is taking action to address concerns. This shows the value of working together,"

Good job by New Zealand leadership to get people to work together, which effective democracies should be able to do.

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What a load of garbage. New Zealand's output is negligible, these measure won't have any significant impact on anything except making farmers poorer and less efficient. How about they scrap it completely as well as the other undemocratic policies like three waters and co-governance, this is nothing more than a power grab trying to take away people's ability to farm and live.

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 How about they scrap it completely as well as the other undemocratic policies like three waters and co-governance, this is nothing more than a power grab trying to take away people's ability to farm and live.

No it's not. The article clearly states the government is talking with farmers' groups. That is the definition of democracy. The government is clearly committed to its green policies, but is recognising that they need to work with affected groups as they move in a greener direction. Undemocratic would be a disastrous approach like the one in Sri Lanka, where you had a ruling caste unilaterally introducing radical changes to agriculture without working with those working in it. And it was a total disaster that brought the government down. Doesn't mean that greener farming is a failure - it means the need for governments to find a way to work with people democratically.

If governments worldwide abandon the attempt to stop the disastrous course we are all on, there will be no 'ability to farm and live' all over the world as the climate crisis bites harder and harder.

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... long-lived gases and biogenic methane that mainly comes from cow and sheep burps.

Funny, I could have sworn burps came out of the mouth. Or maybe, like the way water drains down a plughole, they work the other way down under???

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In this fairy tale, that one person with pureness of vision who stands up and says

"Hey, the Emperor is naked," needs to be everyone!

Serfdom hangs in the balance.

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How typical, farmers are on a god level tier here in NZ. They claim poverty during a drought or extreme flooding but still manage to take the entire family to Disneyland or the Gold Coast every school holidays.

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Well if it stops the price going up on NZ. Agricultural products then great.

The NZ 450g no salt butter I was buying previously at ¥ 680 tax included is now ¥ 998 including tax so out of my budget for now.

Yes the weak yen is part of the increase but fuel, greenhouse taxes, etc.. just add even more so back to salted Japanese butter slightly cheaper ( no salt Japanese is evenore expensive)

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Gareth Joyce

How typical, farmers are on a god level tier here in NZ.

Well, they are a big part of the economy, so need to be listened to. Otherwise, you aren't wrong.

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What a load of garbage. New Zealand's output is negligible, these measure won't have any significant impact on anything except making farmers poorer and less efficient.

If NZ wants to take the high road with other countries, and be able to criticize them for their lack of action, they need to make sure that they've cleaned up their own house first. So while they may be negligible, if they do clean up their issues, you can expect some well-justified finger wagging at larger nations.

If they didn't clean up their own nation first, then others would have an attack vector if they were to start wagging that finger.

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NZ has the least corrupt govt in the world and are lucky enough to have a govt that works for the people and not 'power' (for the most part).

Sorry that's completely inaccurate, I am from New Zealand and that's utter garbage. The current government is perhaps the most untransparent and least honest that I have ever seen.

Not only are there several allegations of bullying from within party ranks with no investigation that led to an mp having to resign but they also tried to smash through legislation for undemocratic policies that they didn't even go to the election with, the two prominent ones being three waters and co -governance which have proven to be extremely unpopular with the people of New Zealand because they are not democratic policies, add large stimulus spending which fueled the current inflation crisis and ridiculous housing prices, shady deals with tech companies, links to including harvesting personal information from ots own citizens and implementing a draconian vaccine pass system that infringed on the countries own bill of rights.

New Zealand's contribution to climate change is negligible compared to the outputs from other developing nd developed countries not to mentioned its producing agricultural prodcuts we all need not iphones and these changes will not even make any real tangible difference to climate change either. This is simply another garbage tax and restriction making it harder for everyday people to make a living. And making it easier for large companies to fill the vacuum of farmers having to sell up and creating a corporate farming hellscape.

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Tsk tsk. Uncle Klaus and his WEF cronies will not approve.

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It's called 'the circle of life' for a reason...

You should jog along and read about photosynthesis a bit more. They've taught it to young kids for about 7 decades now. Methane isn't part of it. You can be as smart as a teeneager if you start soon.

Cow farts don't fuel cow grass.

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Sorry that's completely inaccurate, I am from New Zealand and that's utter garbage. The current government is perhaps the most untransparent and least honest that I have ever seen.

Unfortunately, regardless of your perception on the ground, the fact is that NZ is in a three-way tie for least corrupt nation on the planet:

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-rank

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Where do the cow farts come from?

The grass.

Where will they go after?

Into new grass.

Methane is lighter than oxygen, so it floats. How would it get into the grass?

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Your not aware that methane is a gas that evaporates and rises upwards ?

It doesn't sink back into the grass.

It does eventually. Methane in the atmosphere will generally produce CO2, which is part of the life cycle of most plants.

https://clear.ucdavis.edu/explainers/why-methane-cattle-warms-climate-differently-co2-fossil-fuels

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It does eventually. Methane in the atmosphere will generally produce CO2

At which point it's no longer methane. That's how chemical processes work. So again, how does methane get into the grass?

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szero25

but they also tried to smash through legislation for undemocratic policies that they didn't even go to the election with

You seem to have an inaccurate understanding of what a democracy is. A ruling government doesn't have to announce all their policies going into an election. And 'smash through legislation' seems to be the wrong adjective. Legislation is voted on, not sashed through. If a policy is voted on, and passed into law, it isn't undemocratic.

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New Zealand farmers should not trust their own government.

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If they want to reduce emissions, activists, scientists or governments will use animal diseases to reduce or wipe the sector out: Bird Flu, ASF, BSE, TB, foot and mouth, mange, bluetongue and all the others.

These diseases will also be weaponised in conflicts.

If you want to make money in food production, invest in the alternatives.

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That's how chemical processes work. So again, how does methane get into the grass?

Through those chemical processes. I think the original comment referred to "the circle of life". Is your question not a bit like saying "how does beef get into our blood"?

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Through those chemical processes.

If the methane is converted in the upper atmosphere, atmosphere, it is no longer methane. But the poster claimed the methane was going into the grass. My question is to how that happens (as far as I can tell, it doesn't).

Is your question not a bit like saying "how does beef get into our blood"?

There isn't beef in our blood, nor is there methane in grass. So this doesn't make sense.

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