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New Zealand police rule out forcibly clearing anti-vaccination protesters

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Gonna put a wrench in the narrative of "ADERN IS A FASCIST" idiots.

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She doesn't want to look as foolish as Trudeau, so is hanging back for now. Wise move, but she'll still lose in the end.

And as usual, the corporate media keeps lying. They're anti-mandate protestors, not anti-vaccination protestors.

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And as usual, the corporate media keeps lying. They're anti-mandate protestors, not anti-vaccination protestors.

Sounds like they should get vaccinated, then.

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Express

Many of them are vaccinated apparently. They are just sick and tired of the ongoing restrictions and Jac-bootery of the government.

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Wellington residents have complained about being abused for wearing masks and noted some far-right messaging among the anti-government and anti-media slogans displayed by protesters.

Yeah, the protesters aren't showing themselves in a good light to allow people to be sympathetic to their myriad of causes.

Local businesses have had to close to protect their staff because these people were harassing them, not wearing masks and being abusive to staff and the public. It's not a good look for a protest to not get people on your side.

At the end of the day, ignoring them is the best policy.

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And as usual, the corporate media keeps lying. They're anti-mandate protestors, not anti-vaccination protestors.

A lot of them have no idea what they're there for. The anti-mandate crowd started with the mandates about vaccines, then mandates about masks... some of the protesters are only there because they like to protest and have a lot of experience in protests going back decades. They don't care about the reasons.

At the end of the day, ignoring them is the best policy.

Absolutely. If the protesters cause trouble outside of the area, come down hard on the ones causing trouble. Otherwise... just let them be.

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I find it a little ironic how some leaders are digging their heels in and refusing to back down from their mandates. Meanwhile, the "anti-vaxxers" dug their heels in a long time ago. Leaders should have known this. There has always been a large group of anti-vaxxers in society. I imagine that governments underestimated the amount of people that don't want to get jabbed, but its actually much higher than anyone would have guessed. I assume its because the vaccines are still "experimental" for the most part so you have new people going the "anti-vaxx" crowd. Also, many people who are in fact vaccinated simply support freedom of choice. It used to be the "granolas", or far left hippies that were anti-vaxx, but now its people from every walk of life. I'm actually tired of hearing about how the anti-vaxxers are mostly "far-right". Thats a myth the Liberal media likes to spread.

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Police made a major error in allowing them to block the roads in the first place. When that started happening, the cars should have been towed immediately - that would've dissuaded others from doing the same. Nobody really cares about them standing on the parliament grounds and protesting, but obstructing roads and businesses, and abusing innocent people is not on.

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I assume its because the vaccines are still "experimental" for the most part

no, they are not.

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Many of them are vaccinated apparently. They are just sick and tired of the ongoing restrictions and Jac-bootery of the government.

The "jac-bootery" of the police not doing anything? OK.

There has always been a large group of anti-vaxxers in society. 

Yes, and they have always been dangerous morons.

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I'm actually tired of hearing about how the anti-vaxxers are mostly "far-right". Thats a myth the Liberal media likes to spread.

Could you give some evidence that Covid antivaxxers are not overwhelmingly braindead Qanon dupes? I'm happy to wait. TIA.

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Jacinda its about time to take proper care of your kid and leave you very well paid job for somebody more skillfull and with ability to really lead country.

Jacinda-you have to go now.

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She doesn't want to look as foolish as Trudeau, so is hanging back for now. Wise move, but she'll still lose in the end.

Who is 'she?' I see no 'she' mentioned in the article.

What do you think of the protesters' illegal actions such as harassment, death threats, blocking city streets and assaults? How about their restricting the freedom of the press, restricting Wellingtonian's freedom of movement, and ability to run and work at local businesses? What about the anti-semetic messaging? 'Jew-cinda?' Come on.

New Zealand police ruled out forcibly clearing anti-vaccination protesters camped around parliament in Wellington on Friday, saying they did not want to provoke violence on the streets of the capital

I thought they were calling for martial law, prionking. What happened to that?

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I said the government, not the police. Government are doing lots of things to restrict and harm the populace.....

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Wakari said

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Jacinda its about time to take proper care of your kid and leave you very well paid job for somebody more skillfull and with ability to really lead country.

It didn't take long for the "it's because she's a woman" crowd to come out, and after some of those same herd members moaned about people being dismissive of those from their country, then asking posts critical of their country to be deleted. And many from the 'anti-mandate' group have been moaning they were being discriminated against because they had made a personal choice not to get vaccinated, while they have been dismissive of the elderly, the obese and those with underlying health conditions. I wonder whether they could write screeds like they have back in their home country and not expect reprisals. The free press has perhaps given some their first chances to express opinions on public forums.

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Kumagaijin

I find it a little ironic how some leaders are digging their heels in and refusing to back down from their mandates.

The protesters are complaining about a myriad of things and mandates is one of the. The thing is vaccine mandates aren't a thing anymore. The minority of healthcare workers (

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Kumagaijin

I find it a little ironic how some leaders are digging their heels in and refusing to back down from their mandates.

The protesters are complaining about a myriad of things and mandates is one of them. The thing is vaccine mandates aren't a thing anymore. The minority of healthcare workers (

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Uh huh, that's what we said, 19 days ago

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Good decision. May human rights and common sense prevail and the NZ govt allow its citizens to make their own medical choices.

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less than 2 % ) have been fired already.

The protest isn't about the mandates.

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anti-vaccination protesters

Are they anti-vaccination, or anti-authority-decree-over-what-people-do-to-their-own-bodies?

Some might be of the former, but I imagine most are of the latter. I’d join them for that reason too, were I in such a position.

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fxgai

anti-vaccination protesters

Are they anti-vaccination, or anti-authority-decree-over-what-people-do-to-their-own-bodies?

Both.

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Are they anti-vaccination, or anti-authority-decree-over-what-people-do-to-their-own-bodies?

Yes. There's a bit of everything, really. During the protest I have seen New Zealand, Canadian, Tongan, Gadsden, Tino Rangatiratanga (Maori Sovereignty), United Tribes of NZ, and Black Power – a violent, drug/prostitution/protection racket running, gun smuggling gang – flags.  

At this point it’s more of a dance party. On the live stream, you can see protesters using their phones to watch themselves on the live stream. They may as well be holding ‘Hi Mum!’ signs.   There is no chanting, no demands, the signs are a hodgepodge of various, generic slogans.

There is also no clear leadership. There has been constant infighting between the disparate groups and even within the groups. Hare Krishna leaders say the group of Krishnas at Parliament does not represent the larger movement, and speakers from the group Sovereign Hīkoi say they are there despite the wishes of many of their whanau and iwi leaders. There were also unfounded claims to the land by tribal groups, denounced by the tribal leadership.

In New Zealand, the traditional way to protest (if there is such a thing) is a hikoi.  An march in which an organised group with clear demands marches to the steps of parliament where they are met by the relevant MPs and lawmakers. There will be hongi and speeches, probably a haka, and a petition is handed over. Then generally the protesters leave and (hopefully) the work begins.  A famous example is the Foreshore and Seabed hikoi in 2004.  It resulted in the formation of the Māori Party and quite a significant rewrite of the Foreshore and Seabed Act, an Act which had given the title of such lands to the Crown. There is also the 1975 Maori Land March, an important moment in the reassertion of Māori identity. It actually did lead to a small occupation of Parliament grounds, from which the organiser of the march, Dame Whina Cooper, distanced herself.

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Yes. There's a bit of everything, really.

Surely they are all not in favor of authority telling other people what they must inject into their bodies though, right?

Are there people there who are good with people being told by authority what they shalt do with thou bodies?

Some might go to be part of the event, I guess…

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Surely they are all not in favor of authority telling other people what they must inject into their bodies though, right?

Well, many of them got vaccinated so, maybe? I can't speak for all of them.

There are also people protesting Three Waters reform which has absolutely nothing to do with covid.

https://threewaters.govt.nz/

Some might go to be part of the event, I guess…

Yeah. The weekend ones, or, the ones with jobs to go to. But you're right. It's mainly anti-mandate, a position I support.

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One of the demands of these protestors is the release of the mosque shooter.

Shows what kind of depraved people most of these protestors are!!!!

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The mandate nonsense will not stand the test of time. Eventually it will be dropped, it might as well be now.

Governments who discriminate against their own people always fall on the wrong side of history.

I can foresee them having to apologize and pay compensation in the future.

People who wind up in prison over this are political prisoners.

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The bogan-feral element of the New Zealand public has joined forces to push whatever agenda that can at a time when the governments pants are down.

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I'm actually tired of hearing about how the anti-vaxxers are mostly "far-right". Thats a myth the Liberal media likes to spread.

Could you give some evidence that Covid antivaxxers are not overwhelmingly braindead Qanon dupes? I'm happy to wait. TIA.

@Express sister

The anti-vaxxers have been growing and existed well before Qanon and Donald Trump. Its actually quite easy to do your own research if you know how to use a search engine like Google. Simply type in "Who are anti-vaxxers" and use tools to select a specific time frame (I suggest before 2020 because you may end up with mostly liberal pro-vaxx news articles). Here is what I found...

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/who-are-the-anti-vaxxers

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-33774181

https://medwatch.de/2019/02/15/hpv-vaccination-how-japan-was-taken-by-an-anti-vax-tsunami/

Just to give you an idea of whats out there. I'm also not claiming to support the movement, I'm only trying to point out that the media isn't being honest about who and why people are anti-vaxx. They come from all walks of life. Myself, I'm pro-choice.

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Good. Forcibly clearing peaceful protesters was “bad” every other time someone even mentioned it. much less actually doing it.

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these are the same people saying both below.

Someone wasn’t wearing a mask or blocked a path or said an unkind word to someone- “it’s illegal and not peaceful anymore!”

actual business looted and buildings on fire and police having frozen urine thrown at their heads- “what are you talking about- that’s totally peaceful man!”

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Someone wasn’t wearing a mask or blocked a path or said an unkind word to someone- “it’s illegal and not peaceful anymore!”

But that's not all they're doing. They have illegally blocked city streets for almost two weeks, on numerous occasions preventing people from receiving medical care. They were trespassed from the site last Tuesday. People have been physically assaulted by being spat at, having eggs thrown at them, and their masks ripped off. They have made death threats against the media and politicians-there's a noose hanging in a tree on the protest grounds.

My elderly mother, who doesn't drive, is too scared to take the train into town now because she was verbally abused for wearing a mask. But it's all so peaceful. Sure.

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The problem for the “it’s not a protest against vaccines it’s a protest against the mandates” crowd commenting here today is that for the past two years we’ve been reading you protesting against everything to do with Covid health measures. Including vaccines.

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Could you give some evidence that Covid antivaxxers are not overwhelmingly braindead Qanon dupes? I'm happy to wait. TIA.

@Express sister

The anti-vaxxers have been growing and existed well before Qanon and Donald Trump. Its actually quite easy to do your own research if you know how to use a search engine like Google.

You're gonna lose it when you re-read that I said "Covid antivaxxers", because Covid antivaxxer predated neither. Back to Google for you.

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