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New Zealand sets 90% vaccination target to end lockdowns

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nice moving target. 70%, 80%, 90% then more.

The new plan requires each of 20 health districts in New Zealand to reach the 90% target.

Plus this disclaimer as well. good luck !

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New Zealand demonstrating what refusal to deny science can achieve.

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But she’s so charming and liberal you know. And NZ along with Australia are the winners of the pandemic, they are the best and she’s so charming and liberal etc

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... an ambitious target of fully vaccinating 90% of all eligible people ...

Japan is actually closing in on this ambitious target with 77% of eligible people already fully vaccinated and with 85% of eligible people having received one shot.

(Please note that "eligible people" does not refer to the entire population.)

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Note that she says "your freesoms My message to the New Zealanders who have not yet had their first dose: If you want summer, if you want to go to bars and restaurants, get vaccinated,” Ardern said. “If you want to get a haircut, get vaccinated. If you want to go to a concert, or a festival, get vaccinated."

Your freedoms. Not our freedoms.

Duly noted, Jacinda.

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yes, let me (the government) consider whether to give your freedoms to you.

Really just depends if you do everything that I arbitrarily make up for you to do first.

nothing wrong with that at all, right?

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nice moving target. 70%, 80%, 90% then more

Interested in knowing when Ardern set each of those targets. Thanks in advance.

I don't think they'll get to 90%, personally. Hope I'm wrong.

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Blacklabel

nice moving target. 70%, 80%, 90% then more.

I think you may be getting confused with Australia. They have only ever release a 90% target.

And it's 90% of eligible people.

I think it's a great incentive to get people vaccinated - play their part in the community - and at the same time protecting themselves.

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I think it's a great incentive to get people vaccinated - play their part in the community - and at the same time protecting themselves.

Protecting themselves from what exactly? Unvaccinated people who don't have the virus? Or vaccinated people who (as recent data is showing) do have it?

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Protecting themselves from what exactly? Unvaccinated people who don't have the virus? Or vaccinated people who (as recent data is showing) do have it?

Proportionately speaking, vaccinated people are infected far less often than unvaccinated people. Why did you leave out the group of unvaccinated people who do have it?

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Belrick

Protecting themselves from what exactly? Unvaccinated people who don't have the virus? Or vaccinated people who (as recent data is showing) do have it?

Protecting yourself from Covid, specifically. It matters not how you catch it.

However, you are five times more likely to catch it, so you are five times more likely to spread it as well.

If you are unvaccinated you are way more likely to require hospitalization or die.

So vaccination has two effects. 1. It greatly stops people getting really sick and dying. 2. It slows down the spread of the disease.

When viewed like that what is the downside of everybody getting vaccinated?

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RiskyMosaic

Interested in knowing when Ardern set each of those targets. Thanks in advance.

This is the first time they announced them as part of this plan, but 90% was indicated before as a likely target for Auckland.

I don't think they'll get to 90%, personally. Hope I'm wrong.

Oh they they will get to 90%. Peer pressure will demand it. But we are talking 90% of the eligible population of 12 years and older. Not 90% of the total population.

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2020hindsights,

This is the first time they announced them as part of this plan, but 90% was indicated before as a likely target for Auckland.

Thanks. I did know that. I was just challenging Blacklabel's usual misrepresentation and obfuscation. As expected, no defence was forthcoming. Way back in January, 70% was mentioned as an 'indicative' target but was never set in stone.

I only say I don't think they'll get there as I know a surprising amount of people (many of whom I wouldn't have expected) showing hesitancy to the vaccines. They also have some pretty hard to reach communities / populations. Like I say, hope I'm wrong. Usually am.

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RiskyMosaic

Way back in January, 70% was mentioned as an 'indicative' target but was never set in stone.

I think that was the target for herd immunity, of which 70% was an estimate for the original Covid. Delta has proven to be way more infectious, so the target for herd immunity is now a lot higher.

That is why the plan still introduces restrictions, mainly for unvaccinated, depending on the new traffic light levels. This is to be able to enact controls that are less restrictive than the current lockdown system, but will be able to control random outbreaks.

I guess the thinking is that letting all restrictions go doesn't work well, even for a mostly vaccinated population. The unvaccinated still spread the disease. Singapore is a good example of this.

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Way back in January, 70% was mentioned as an 'indicative' target but was never set in stone.

oh an "indicative target" of 70% doesnt count?

Now do 80%, was there a "suggested" target or something that you are hiding from under another technicality?

Thanks. I did know that. I was just challenging Blacklabel's usual misrepresentation and obfuscation.

So you knew I was right- but just wanted to say something else anyway.

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"At least four in five New Zealanders will have to be vaccinated before border controls can be fully relaxed."

https://theconversation.com/at-least-four-in-five-new-zealanders-will-have-to-be-vaccinated-before-border-controls-can-be-fully-relaxed-163486

4 in 5. Is that 80%?

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uh oh. looks like a goal to me.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says there’s capacity to get 80 per cent of eligible adults in Auckland vaccinated with their first dose by the end of the week.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300410115/about-60000-aucklanders-still-need-first-covid-jab-to-hit-80-goal-by-end-of-week

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oh an "indicative target" of 70% doesnt count?

Not if you know what 'indicative' means.

Well done, Blacklabel, you found a newspaper opinion piece and a comment from Ardern. We're looking for set targets here. "There's capacity to get 80%" does not mean "we must get Y% before X happens." Thanks for trying, though.

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New Zealand sets 90% vaccination target to end lockdowns

I wish my country adopted the same policy.

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nice moving target. 70%, 80%, 90% then more.

*The new plan requires each of 20 health districts in New Zealand to reach the 90% target.*

Plus this disclaimer as well. good luck !

They'll do it in a canter.

N.Z is a small island and small population with much the same mentality as their cousins across the Tasman.

Australia will also do it in a canter, although WA and NT might go into next year.

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Will they use coercion, such as threats of job loss, to reach that goal, as Big Brother is doing in the US?

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Will they use coercion, such as threats of job loss, to reach that goal, as Big Brother is doing in the US?

They already are. It’s hell to be a member of “the unvaccinated” in NZ.

Ironically (or perhaps not) the cool young socialist Jacinda is presiding over the destruction of freedom both in thought and action for New Zealanders. Those freedoms were hard won. Gone.

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Blacklabel

uh oh. looks like a goal to me.

Congratulations, you now know the difference between a rule and a goal.

cla68

Will they use coercion, such as threats of job loss, to reach that goal, as Big Brother is doing in the US?

Thankfully that is already happening. If you are in a position that has regular contact with the public in the medical field or teachers, you must get the vaccination or lose your job. This is for the safety of those you have contact with.

However, this is far more ingenious than mandates. By setting a 90% vaccination rule, they are using peer pressure to get people to comply. Nobody likes being in lockdown, but if the reason you can't get out of lockdown is Auntie Doris doesn't want the vaccine, then you will encourage her to get vaccinated.

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...or you can leave Auntie Doris the hell alone, get the vaccine if you want, and get on with your life. Doris is responsible for herself, not for you. Protect yourself if you want, it's a good idea I think. IF the vaccine is as effective as everyone says, what Doris does shouldn't have much impact on your life whatsoever.

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Congratulations, you now know the difference between a rule and a goal.

would have been a great story….if I had said moving “rule” and not moving “target”.

target- Otherwise known as a “goal”

you know like “moving goalposts”

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Blacklabel

would have been a great story….if I had said moving “rule” and not moving “target”.

target- Otherwise known as a “goal”

you know like “moving goalposts”

And that would have been fine if you hadn't referenced:

*The new plan requires each of 20 health districts in New Zealand to reach the 90% target.*

This is the first target. It hasn't been moving.

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Attilathehungry

...or you can leave Auntie Doris the hell alone, get the vaccine if you want, and get on with your life. Doris is responsible for herself, not for you.

But she is directly responsible for me. Don't you see? Because if the 90% target isn't reached, we all stay in lockdown.

Protect yourself if you want, it's a good idea I think. IF the vaccine is as effective as everyone says, what Doris does shouldn't have much impact on your life whatsoever.

She will keep everyone in lockdown. That's quite an impact on people's lives, wouldn't you say.

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You can blame the wokescold Ardern for that, not poor Doris. Ardern is the bully and the thug in this situation.. The government is trying to turn citizens against each other with policies like this. It is a disturbing trend that is repeated in many places.- punishing whole groups for the actions of a few people. THREE people have died of covid this year in NZ- one in February, September and October. The latter two at least had underlying health conditions- a man in his fifties and a woman in her nineties. To give you some perspective, more than 300 people per year die in car accidents in NZ. Should we ban cars as well? they are one HUNDRED times more dangerous than Covid, after all.

Do you really think this is reason enough to virtually imprison 5 million people in their homes and destroy the economy?

Again, it is none of your business what other people choose to do. You protect yourself. If you trust the vaccine then you shouldn't need to worry about what others do. Your chances of getting covid are radically reduced. And on the off chance that you manage to get yourself the virus, chances are that it will have all the impact of a common cold. Unvaccinated does NOT mean infectuous. I mean think about it. It has taken 18 months for Covid to kill 0.02% of the Japanese population. 99.98% of people are fine.

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Attilathehungry

The government is trying to turn citizens against each other with policies like this. 

No they aren't. They are setting the minimal requirements to be able to open up without a surge in cases like Singapore. So they laid out the traffic light system to be able to react to surges and bring some control without blanket lockdowns. As someone against lockdowns, you should appreciate this.

THREE people have died of covid this year in NZ- one in February, September and October.

Agreed, they have been very successful.

Do you really think this is reason enough to virtually imprison 5 million people in their homes and destroy the economy?

Well that isn't happening. The economy is doing fine and will do better under the new system. 5 million people aren't under lockdown. Only Auscland is under Level 3 lockdown, and when they get their vaccination rates up, will open up.

Again, it is none of your business what other people choose to do. You protect yourself. If you trust the vaccine then you shouldn't need to worry about what others do.

You don't really have a good grasp of this. This is a community effort and unless vaccination rates are up for the whole community, you will get rampant infection rates and overloaded hospitals. And that affects everybody.

Your chances of getting covid are radically reduced. And on the off chance that you manage to get yourself the virus, chances are that it will have all the impact of a common cold.

It's not about me being safe. It's about infection rates and mass infections - overloaded hospitals. Look at red states in the middle of delta for reference.

Unvaccinated does NOT mean infectuous.

Actually, yes it does. Unvaccinated are around 5 times more infectious than vaccinated.

I mean think about it. It has taken 18 months for Covid to kill 0.02% of the Japanese population. 99.98% of people are fine.

Yes. And that's because they have taken measure to reduce infection rates. Just imagine if this wasn't the case.

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It’s been the goal to vaccinate the eligible population since the start. Not sure what part of this is lost on the “free dumb” crowd. But then again, the whole “proven safe and effective “ part has gone over their collective heads

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or you can leave Auntie Doris the hell alone, get the vaccine if you want, and get on with your life. Doris is responsible for herself, not for you. Protect yourself if you want, it's a good idea I think. IF the vaccine is as effective as everyone says, what Doris does shouldn't have much impact on your life whatsoever.

Exactly.

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