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And China says. ...New where?

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Putin will be quaking in his botinki.

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Such a move, if China does do it, would be both stupid and arrogant. It would be hard to believe that China is that stupid.

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China is doing a very fine job for both Russia and Ukraine.

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Good on her for standing up to China and sticking to the morally right thing to do. Yes, it is an Illegal invasion, and China should not be supporting Russia on this, especially with arms.

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China is New Zealand’s largest trading partner and New Zealand exporters rely on China to buy milk products and other agricultural goods.

China relies on New Zealand for infant formula in bulk as its own disreputable and unsafe makers of infant formula are not trusted by Chinese mothers. China is dependent on such imports.

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And China says. ...New where?

Zealandia is a continent and being that, there must be potential energy resources China would be interested in.

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Chinese deserve real credit for helping reduce tension between Saudi and Iran. Seems US has lost its way with these never-ending Nato led wars and proxy wars for decades on end now...Ukraine/Russia was so avoidable.

Afghanistan debacle a case in point, utter failure

Seems OPEC now in their pocket, as world's clearly looking for new leadership. We should all hope such 'competition' creates better/safer/less militaristic results for humanity, so let's hope NZ can exert some positive influence!

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There is no honor with putin and his dwarves. New Zealand is a country of reason

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Do not underestimate the political power of NZ. 

Get real.

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Seems US has lost its way with these never-ending Nato led wars and proxy wars for decades on end now...Ukraine/Russia was so avoidable.

Afghanistan debacle a case in point, utter failure.

Yes. The USA is disaster for a peaceful world. The reality is just shocking.

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Seems US has lost its way with these never-ending Nato led wars and proxy wars for decades on end now...

A delusional assessment and completely wrong

Ukraine/Russia was so avoidable.

Indeed, if only Putin were not a warmongering monster with the compulsion to expand Russian borders, this war in Ukraine would have been avoided.

Afghanistan debacle a case in point, utter failure.

Successful in defeating Al Qaeda and eliminating their training camps in Afghanistan and led to the death of its leader responsible for the murder of 3000 people in the US. Thats why they went into Afghanistan.

Yes. The USA is disaster for a peaceful world. The reality is just shocking.

The reality is the US defends the free world, as much as it galls those who hate it. If not for America the world would be a hostile anarchy of wars and invasions everywhere. China searches for a way to defeat America and Russia wants to rule Europe. That is the reality that is shocking.

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Successful in defeating Al Qaeda and eliminating their training camps in Afghanistan and led to the death of its leader responsible for the murder of 3000 people in the US. Thats why they went into Afghanistan. 

Dont forget the objective to remove the Taliban. Hello?

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China is not giving lethal aid in cash and weapons to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. New Zealand ! If China gives weapons and cash to aid Putin's invasion of Ukraine, that would mean WAR WITH THE U.S.A.

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Well, some here believe the NOW failed state of Afghanistan was a screaming success, where disease and starvation are now second to none globally!

Successful in defeating Al Qaeda and eliminating their training camps in Afghanistan and led to the death of its leader responsible for the murder of 3000 people in the US. Thats why they went into Afghanistan.

You see this common transactional mindset completely ignores the catastrophic dangerous mess that exists today, simplistic justification with no effort to build durable sustainable goodwill because it was never possible and that was never the intention.

So, any real surprise Putin and Xi take careful notes?! They understand well that NOBODY believes in American NATO war mongering 'goodwill/democracy'

Such failures as Afghanistan helped compel our adversaries to act in ways that further destabilize the world. So any surprise we're NOW so worried about China?! Any surprise weapons proliferation out of control? Any surprise US now has ZERO influence over OPEC?

Surely fine folks in Taiwan understand, as do those in Ukraine. Same folks that abandoned Afghanistan doubled down on Ukraine militarization in 2021, it's been a slow-moving train wreck with no objective other than destabilizing the entire world, greatest power vacuum in history, China and their partners are happy to seize upon, as US and NATO have destroyed all their goodwill and credibility in pursuing this insane proxy war against Putin.

US Democracy, nobody's buying it anymore because the results speak for themselves!

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FYI, real key's technological components and intel, so while technically not weapons, its key support for Russia, China's proxy to fight the proxy US led Ukraine effort.

China's also receiving key technological support to upgrade their military capabilities, that's easily passed on to NK etc.

Let's not forget economics key, trade booming with China and Russia and neither of these countries has a central bank that prints money and NO they're not transacting in USD!

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Key facts on New Zealand-China trade

New Zealand exports to China total $21.45 billion, comprising $20.04 billion in goods and $3.4 billion in services.

https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/free-trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements-in-force/nz-china-free-trade-agreement/key-facts-on-new-zealand-china-trade/

I am afraid for New Zealand's economy these numbers are the bottom line.

Whatever the media has reported, New Zealand Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta, I suggest would have whispered from a distance any huff puff of human rights abuses. More a cough and splutter.....

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Wang said the pressing task is to achieve a ceasefire and resume peace talks, and that China would continue to play a constructive role to promote a political settlement, the agency added.

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A ceasefire would fail as putin would use it to rest and rearm his invasion force before attacking again.

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Peace talks can start ONCE the invading Russian army leaves ALL of Ukraine. Including the Crimea.

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Play a constructive role, by condeming the invasion and saying the Russian army is to leave.

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A ceasefire would fail as putin would use it to rest and rearm his invasion force before attacking again.

wrong

Peace talks can start ONCE the invading Russian army leaves ALL of Ukraine. Including the Crimea.

ridiculous

Play a constructive role, by condeming the invasion and saying the Russian army is to leave.

Warmonger

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And New Zealand stays silent on organ harvesting? New Zealand stays silent on millions imprisoned? New Zealand stays silent on forced labor, child labor, torture?

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So, I wonder what else she said that doesn't fit the American promoted narrative, like maybe echoing Brazil's notion of joining a multilateral conglomeration of 'others' to make peace proposals that are based on justice and harm reduction (like China's Ukrainian proposal) more difficult for the US to demonize domestically and therefore speed up the process of getting them accepted and more importantly established (the US has twice accepted Ukrainian peace plans like the Chinese one, buy made sure they were never actually established)

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There’s no way that Russia and China won’t be hand in glove going forward, New Zealand is piddling in the wind.

Maybe a Kiwi censure the on the US would be more in order?

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China must be quaking in its boots

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Chinese deserve real credit for helping reduce tension between Saudi and Iran. Seems US has lost its way with these never-ending Nato led wars and proxy wars for decades on end now...Ukraine/Russia was so avoidable.

Only avoidable by having China's dog, aka Russia, kept in its cage.

Afghanistan debacle a case in point, utter failure

Yes, we all know China backs the theocracy. Such a win for humanity.

Seems OPEC now in their pocket, as world's clearly looking for new leadership. We should all hope such 'competition' creates better/safer/less militaristic results for humanity, so let's hope NZ can exert some positive influence!

OPEC, like Russia, offers the world nothing except death. They can try to lead, but mob bosses always end up turning on each other.

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You see this common transactional mindset completely ignores the catastrophic dangerous mess that exists today, simplistic justification with no effort to build durable sustainable goodwill because it was never possible and that was never the intention. 

Attempting to annihilate countries like Ukraine isn't building goodwill.

So, any real surprise Putin and Xi take careful notes?! They understand well that NOBODY believes in American NATO war mongering 'goodwill/democracy'

Nobody believes in China/Russia thugocracy either. Polls show this.

Such failures as Afghanistan helped compel our adversaries to act in ways that further destabilize the world. So any surprise we're NOW so worried about China?! Any surprise weapons proliferation out of control? Any surprise US now has ZERO influence over OPEC?

Russia will loose 10x the number of soldiers and gear the US did in Afghanistan on their failed invasion of Ukraine. Our adversaries can take whatever lesson they want, but the US is still standing strong.

Surely fine folks in Taiwan understand, as do those in Ukraine. Same folks that abandoned Afghanistan doubled down on Ukraine militarization in 2021, it's been a slow-moving train wreck with no objective other than destabilizing the entire world, greatest power vacuum in history, China and their partners are happy to seize upon, as US and NATO have destroyed all their goodwill and credibility in pursuing this insane proxy war against Putin.

Illegal invasion by Indicted War Criminal Putain = not a US proxy war at heart.

US Democracy, nobody's buying it anymore because the results speak for themselves!

Still #1 economy. Still 10x the soft power of thug Russia and China.

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A ceasefire would fail as putin would use it to rest and rearm his invasion force before attacking again.

right

Peace talks can start ONCE the invading Russian army leaves ALL of Ukraine. Including the Crimea.

correct

Play a constructive role, by condeming the invasion and saying the Russian army is to leave.

the only path to peace

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Peace talks can start ONCE the invading Russian army leaves ALL of Ukraine. Including the Crimea.

About Crimea. You don't understand anything about it and just wagging your tongue. What is Crimea? This is a divine place! The best place on Earth, geographically. None of your islands with sandy shores and clear blue waters will ever compare with Crimea. The best climate and very beautiful nature. That is why America chose it to rule the whole world from there. It's a very comfortable and convenient place to command the whole world. Five American military bases were already planned there. They were already mapped! Five! But they overdid it. They did not take into account that the Crimea could be so brilliantly taken away of them! Without a single victim! Crimea returned to Russia.Ukraine is a traitor, she betrayed its grands, parents who died in the war. Crimea will never be Ukrainian again. And it will never belong to anyone else. So don't talk nonsense. For Russia, this is a holy place. And America rages and excites the whole world. Ukraine has never loved Crimea. This is just what America needs. That is why America is forcing Ukraine to retake Crimea. They don't need Donbass, they need Crimea.

So forget the word Crimea, it's Russia's.

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