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New Zealand unable to keep supermarket attacker locked up: Ardern

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The West is too nice to these people and they take advantage

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@reckless

so what’s your point ?

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Perhaps somewhat tangental, but I simply cannot understand why people migrate to / remain in countries where their views are diametrically opposed to the host culture. Why do that to yourself? Just move somewhere more in line with your beliefs.

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Why was he allowed to live in NZ after his student visa expired? I guess it did, or was he on a student visa for 10 years?

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Seems like the authorities were ready & planned to end things if anything happened & unfortunately something happened

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Why is that Islamic inspired teachings lead to this?

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He tried to leave NZ for Syria but they blocked him from leaving. Should have let him go.

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The scum deserved the bullet in the head. Simple as that. Just a shame it wasnt done before his heinous attacks.

I hope the innocent victims can somehow recover from their awful injuries.

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She claims it was the act of an individual and not the faith and that’s as maybe, but he chose not to go on a stabbing rampage at the mosk he was residing at . How did he know that the victims in the supermarket weren’t Muslim or share his ideology?

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The concept of universal human rights is just that. Citizen or no, in the West your rights are inviolable.

It's worth stepping back and remembering that human rights came to the fore as a consequence of WWII; Europeans were traumatised about what it did to each other and especially so about what they did to the Jews.

The intentions behind HR legislation are undeniably noble, but these days a whole industry has spun up around the concept of human rights to the extend that absolute scumbags are gaming the system with full support from the lawyers.

Remember, HR legislation was intended to stop another Holocaust, not prevent rascals from facing justice.

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"So while I can provide details concerning the individual's criminal history, there are issues relating to his immigration status, and actions taken by Immigration New Zealand in particular, which I cannot share just yet."

There certainly are issues when an individual on a student visa is released into the general public after three years incarceration instead of having been put in a deportation hold.

Yes, there just is no law that would have enabled them to do anything else. Up to the day, the govt has been trying to put through new laws to be able to deport or incarcerate people in similar situations.

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It's a new world where people can travel and live their violent ideologies and act on them. Our laws are just catching up.

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Our laws are just catching up.

Are they though? Nothing has changed yet. And isn’t Adhern on her second term as PM? Nothing was done before about these lax laws.

The intentions behind HR legislation are undeniably noble, but these days a whole industry has spun up around the concept of human rights to the extend that absolute scumbags are gaming the system with full support from the lawyers.

Yes, this is undeniably correct.

There certainly are issues when an individual on a student visa is released into the general public after three years incarceration instead of having been put in a deportation hold.

Quite right.

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So they can put their whole population in lockdown, but can't keep this nutter locked up. Sad. At least they took the opportunity to put this sick puppy down.

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@P.Smith That seems like a glaring hole in the law. Odd that it has taken so long to sort out.

I agree.

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There certainly are issues when an individual on a student visa is released into the general public after three years incarceration instead of having been put in a deportation hold.

I believe he later applied for, and was given, refugee status. But whatever. This guy should have been deported years ago.

Anyway, he entered New Zealand in 2011 and came to the attention of the authorities in 2016, when the opposition party, National, were in power. Ardern’s Labour came to power in 2017. 

The Crown had unsuccessfully tried to charge him previously (2018?) using the Terrorism Suppression Act of 2002, for possession of objectionable videos and purchasing a hunting knife. This law had proven ineffective in 2008 (after the Te Uruwera raids) and there had been warnings about their weakness. In 2013, Justice Minister Judith Collins (now opposition leader) rejected a proposed review of the Act because “there were no substantial or urgent concerns arising from the operation of the Act”. Also, the police raised concerns in 2014 and 2015 about the possible inadequacy of the law. 

After the terror attack in 2019, the Government promised to strengthen the anti-terror laws. The prospective laws were released in April, and gained support of all parties except the Greens and Māori.

A lot of people seem to be blaming Ardern for this. I agree that as Prime Minister during most of this guy’s activities, she dropped the ball in not getting enough done to make deportation or continued incarceration possible. However, New Zealand being the democracy that it is (not the authoritarian nightmare some people wrongly insist that it is), she can’t create or change laws unilaterally. Many Ardern-haters appear to be advocating that. She has to work within the existing frameworks, and follow the democratic process to get any changes made.

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Jacibda is the best

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BungleToday  05:01 pm JST

Perhaps somewhat tangental, but I simply cannot understand why people migrate to / remain in countries where their views are diametrically opposed to the host culture. Why do that to yourself? Just move somewhere more in line with your beliefs.

Because there's more to the motivation of living in a country than whether the local views are different to yours or not.

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Court suppression orders meant Ardern could not explain why the terrorist had not been deported,

Maybe she was being too ‘inclusive’ to read the sign(s) on the door. Burning heart syndrome backfires yet again. New Zealand’s learning some hard lessons .

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"Perhaps somewhat tangental, but I simply cannot understand why people migrate to / remain in countries where their views are diametrically opposed to the host culture. "

Applicable to a vast majority of JT posters.

Hate the place?

Not your country?

Leave!

As a foreign national he should have been deported.

Simples.

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The victims of this latest and entirely predictable Islamic terror attack I'm sure will rest easy knowing that Ardern really cares about them as shown with her very empathetic facial expressions.

She'll be wearing a freedom veil in front of a mosque sometime in the next week, explaining that the Muslim community are the real victims here.

Look for it

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The white mass murderer in NZ in 2019 killed more than 50 Muslims and was arrested and now serving a life sentence, and this Sri Lankan who had a knife was shot dead in 2 minutes.

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