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SInce his comments represent the republican platform statement for the upcoming convention perhaps he could be the next party chairman. Would make sense.

It is amazing when a republican comes out and says what they all believe in, he is shunned. Republicans are for rape victims being forced by the government to have a baby. Or incest victims. Ryan believes that but would not say it directly. That is the only difference.

The Republican party is officially insane.

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No dinner invitation for Akin? He can still go to "Five Guys", right?

No money from these ReTaliban party? Tell Karl Rove to get a real job.

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@Zur

SInce his comments represent the republican platform statement for the upcoming convention perhaps he could be the next party chairman. Would make sense.

Just because Akin screwed up big time and made a totally outrageous statement like that, you can't lump all Republicans as monolithic group.

It is amazing when a republican comes out and says what they all believe in, he is shunned. Republicans are for rape victims being forced by the government to have a baby. Or incest victims. Ryan believes that but would not say it directly. That is the only difference.

Of course, most Republicans are Pro-life, and no Republican is saying you have to carry out the pregnancy no matter what happens, again, another outrageous generalization, most Republicans believe there IS an exception rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger. You cannot and do not know what and how Ryan feels. This whole issue is not about Ryan, but about Akin, remember that.

The Republican party is officially insane.

Really, if so, what would you call the Democratic party?

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GOP: Todd Akin? Never heard of him.

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Of course, most Republicans are Pro-life, and no Republican is saying you have to carry out the pregnancy no matter what happens, again, another outrageous generalization, most Republicans believe there IS an exception rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger. You cannot and do not know what and how Ryan feels. This whole issue is not about Ryan, but about Akin, remember that.

Today Paul Ryan (Karl Rove's puppet) admitted that "Rape is a rape", and he could not define the "forciful rape" to reporters and walked away disgracefully.(on transcription). Also Paul Ryan has already told reporters that Akin was a his soul mate. (On transcription)

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Let me get this straight. 

Republicans don't want sex education to inform people, they don't want contraception that would prevent unwanted pregnancies, they want to make it law that every pregnancy is carried to term, once the kid is born they don't want to offer any assistance to the mother such as food stamps, early childhood education, health care, housing assistance, money to college, after school programs, school lunch programs etc. that might give this new family a fighting chance at a happy life? 

What kind of sick twisted person would hear that and say it "sounds good"? 

The Republican Taliban and their conservative backers are beyond dangerous.

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This is just stunning - the majority of GOP politicians are anti-abortion - just like Akin.

There's more than 40 House and Senate candidates besides Akin - including Paul Ryan who want to ban abortion access even for women who have been victims of rape or incest.

Akin's views are mainstream GOP-Taliban thinking.

Akin's only 'sin' was he used a poor choice of words to elocute what most of them think anyway.

And now they are trying to get rid of on of their ideological soulmates.

How low can they go?

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Well said, SushiSake3, that's the reason a "Nuns on Bus" is marching in for social justice and standing tall against Romney/Ryan.

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Bass - "Just because Akin screwed up big time and made a totally outrageous statement like that, you can't lump all Republicans as monolithic group."

Yes you can.  And 'monolithic' isn't the word -'knuckle-dragging' is.

Akin didn't make a "totally outrageous statement" - this is the whole point. Akin simply did a hash job of explaining what is a majority-held view of the GOP

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Don't know the rules for senate elections in Missouri, but is there anything to stop a group of Republicans entering another, more moderate, candidate at this stage? Of course, s/he wouldn't be the official Republican candidate, but would that matter?

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@global

Today Paul Ryan (Karl Rove's puppet) admitted that "Rape is a rape", and he could not define the "forciful rape" to reporters and walked away disgracefully.(on transcription). Also Paul Ryan has already told reporters that Akin was a his soul mate. (On transcription)

Yes, I know, but you are still beating that generalization drum and in doing is totally unjust. Soulmate or not.

@Sushi

Yes you can. And 'monolithic' isn't the word -'knuckle-dragging' is.

"Lunacy" is also a word.

Akin didn't make a "totally outrageous statement" - this is the whole point. Akin simply did a hash job of explaining what is a majority-held view of the GOP

Just because you are Pro-life doesn't mean that you are NOT for Pro-choice. Again, Sushi, that dog don't hunt! Don't think that you can speak up for the majority of the GOP. That's like saying ALL liberals are for Pro-choice.

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Sorry, can someone please remind me why GOP politicians are using a holy book written 2000 years ago to control what 21st century women do with their bodies?

I must have missed something...

I'm coming to think the anti-abortion mindset is actually a sickness.

Why? Men - GOP politicians and pro-lifers on Japan Today for example - who have zero relationship with women who may be considering an abortion, have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to dictate what those women do with their bodies.

The only men who should possibly have some say are the partners and other close male relatives of said women.

But male politicians in Washington? Bass4funk? Sailwind, Serrano, etc. - what have female abortion and reproductive issues got to do with you?

Really?

Unless you know a woman personally who is going through these issues, you need to keep your hands and noses out.

It's the height of arrogance for you guys to even think you have a right to influence what women you don't even know do with their bodies.

Where does this arrogance stem from?

The Christian Bible. 

The same document that says "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (this goes right over the heads of the pro-lifers) and the second great commandment - "Love your neighbor as yourself" (and yet conservatives will spit vitriol at the gay community, people with pro-choice views, etc.)

This is a key reason religion needs to be swept out of politics.

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But male politicians in Washington? Bass4funk? Sailwind, Serrano, etc. - what have female abortion and reproductive issues got to do with you?

Not much personally thank goodness, my mother didn't have these issues at all when I was conceived so I could be here to actually discuss this with you.

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Sail, and yet - purely for argument's sake: please do not take this personally - if Paul Ryan and co. had been in power around the time you were born and your mother was going to die due to complications due to childbirth, Paul Ryan and co.'s "ideals" would have allowed your mother to die to keep you alive.

You would have been raised without a mother.

If, also for example, your father had died soon after, you would have had no parents at all.

And Paul Ryan and co. would have been busy trying to cut any financial benefits whoever was caring for you may have wanted to access to help raise you.

That's good, ay!?

Welcome to the GOP, circa 2012.

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@Sushi

I am totally Pro-life, but having said that and being married, having 4 sisters, I do and have always believed even as leaning conservative that a woman has the absolute right to choose whatever she wants to do and I don't have the right to dictate my beliefs and I will submit to you in the 21st century the majority of conservatives do believe that there are exceptions to having abortions even if you are Pro-life, don't get confused here. I know liberals WANT to think that conservatives think under NO circumstance can a woman have an abortion and that kind of thinking just boggles the mind.

It's the height of arrogance for you guys to even think you have a right to influence what women you don't even know do with their bodies.

I truly believe it is the epitome of arrogance that liberals are turning this issue with Akin into an orgy feast of lumping all conservatives to what this nut said. Instead of the real issues. And this is another reason why I feel with the Romney tax issue, Romney gives you guys and inch and you guys will run with it just like you are doing now. But why am I NOT surprised?

I will agree only on one point with you and that is religion should never be a part of politics. This is why the liberal media should shun this Akin loon and focus on Obama, Biden, Romney, Ryan and the economy.

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Today Paul Ryan (Karl Rove's puppet) admitted that "Rape is a rape", and he could not define the "forciful rape" to reporters and walked away disgracefully.(on transcription). Also Paul Ryan has already told reporters that Akin was a his soul mate. (On transcription

Yes, I know, but you are still beating that generalization drum and in doing is totally unjust. Soulmate or not.

It sure does, bass. This is a good stuff for all journalists. The job is to understand what the candidate actually DID in the past for public policy and what candidate is saying now. Paul Ryan certainly contradicts himself denying his own records? This is not a kids stuff on playgrounds..Paul Ryan initiated 73 bills just on this issue alone. Now, he has no idea what he did? How gutsy! How gutsy he is.

His ideology and Akin's ideology are exactly the same as well as GOP. Now he is gutsy again denying Akin's ideology? Akin and Paul Ryan are twin brothers. How gutsy! How gutsy he is.

How does it sound to American voters? Paul Ryan needs to show American voters what he really is. He needs to show his accountability, responsibility, honesty what he really believes in. We do not need a fake in Washington. We need a solid leader who understands. Policy making is a serious business as many people depend on it.

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Sail, and yet - purely for argument's sake: please do not take this personally - if Paul Ryan and co. had been in power around the time you were born and your mother was going to die due to complications due to childbirth, Paul Ryan and co.'s "ideals" would have allowed your mother to die to keep you alive.

For purely arguments sake: This makes no sense at all. Complications due to childbirth? Ryan and company would allow a mother to die to save the baby instead during the birth?

If you meant that by the time I was conceived and it was determined that my mother could not take me to term and would have to abort me or die instead......(What a horrible discussion that a family would have to go through but this is really what this ugly thing abortion really is whether you are pro chioce or pro life) that Ryan and Co would force her to go term anyway.

The point would be totally moot......I was conceived when "Ryan and Company" were in power. Abortion was still illegal at that time in the United States.

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The point would be totally moot......I was conceived when "Ryan and Company" were in power. Abortion was still illegal at that time in the United States.

Far from being "moot" (I assume we're using the American sense), the point is very much alive; Ryan and company want to return to those backward times.

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@global

This is a good stuff for all journalists. The job is to understand what the candidate actually DID in the past for public policy and what candidate is saying now. Paul Ryan certainly contradicts himself denying his own records? This is not a kids stuff on playgrounds..Paul Ryan initiated 73 bills just on this issue alone. Now, he has no idea what he did? How gutsy! How gutsy he is.

You mean, this is great for liberal journalists.

His ideology and Akin's ideology are exactly the same as well as GOP. Now he is gutsy again denying Akin's ideology? Akin and Paul Ryan are twin brothers. How gutsy! How gutsy he is.

WRONG, I already outlined, but wait, I keep forgetting, I am debating with a liberal, it just goes over their heads. Akin and Ryan as close as twin brothers as Obama and Jeremiah Wright? Hmmm......

How does it sound to American voters? Paul Ryan needs to show American voters what he really is. He needs to show his accountability, responsibility, honesty what he really believes in. We do not need a fake in Washington. We need a solid leader who understands. Policy making is a serious business as many people depend on it.

What Paul needs to do is NOT fall for the liberal trap and to get bogged down in this debacle which isn't one at all. He and all the Conservatives shunned this guy as they should have. NOW to continue the focus on where it needs to stay, the economy, but I know for liberals, that is a side issue, since you guys will get someone else's money anyway. Honesty is the key and since Ryan is honest and passionate about the country and the economy and knows what the American people expect, he'll do just fine. We have a President that doesn't care about America and about the economy, it is really time for a big change. We can't afford to trust and give this President 4 more years.

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What Paul needs to do is NOT fall for the liberal trap and to get bogged down in this debacle which isn't one at all.

Americans demand transparency among political leaders. If you are running away from it, we can interepret that they have something to hide. We do not trust these candidates, period. America is not Soviet Union.and China.

You mean, this is great for liberal journalists.

You call all journalists as liberal then, right?. This is all reported everywhere in America. The journalists are critical thinkers.

The truth of matter is that ReTaliban Party is in trouble as they will be losing more congressional seats. They are desparate. Their hair is spilitting.

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Todd Akin's Party: More Than 40 Republican Candidates Oppose Abortion In Cases Of Rape, Incest

Here they are - the GOP-American Taliban Hall of Shame:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/22/todd-akin-abortion-rape-incest_n_1819201.html

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Last thing the GOP needs: A rogue extremist intent on pointing out the hypocrisy of his own party. That he has chosen to take on "the Republican establishment" is particularly damaging to them at a time when the establishment is so at odds with the tea party faction. The very choice of Romney was a sop to the establishment; Romney had hoped this would go unnoticed, but Akin harping on it will only make it more obvious.

Can't wait for this convention. I hope the approaching hurricane does not hinder what should certainly be a most entertaining few days.

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I can't wait for the Hypocracy ReTaliban Party Convention in Tampa. They may have to dance in flood and wind.

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@global

Americans demand transparency among political leaders. If you are running away from it, we can interepret that they have something to hide. We do not trust these candidates, period. America is not Soviet Union.and China.

Still waiting for Obama to show some transparency, been holding my breath for awhile, turning purple! Spoken like a true American!

You call all journalists as liberal then, right?. This is all reported everywhere in America. The journalists are critical thinkers.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/143lkblo.asp

Critically is what you meant.

The truth of matter is that ReTaliban Party is in trouble as they will be losing more congressional seats. They are desparate. Their hair is spilitting.

I don't think Conservatives have to worry about that, not at all. lol

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Can't wait for this convention. I hope the approaching hurricane does not hinder what should certainly be a most entertaining few days.

Whoa, you can find better things to do with your time like watching paint dry. If you must watch the convention play a simple game, try to find the black people there. Waiters or security guards do not count. You get three points for every real delegate.

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I read a comment yesterday where a male therapist stated simply, that men should stay out of it and let knowledgeable, reasonable women decide what they need to do regarding their bodies and especially topics like this, from the law-making level downward. I agreed with him.

Sure you got some ding-bat women backing their husbands like Akin and Ryan, but there are some terrific, intelligent women out there, that in agreement with and consensus by other women, should be making these decisions, not men. As I work in psychology as well, and having dealt with and observed extremely problematic situations of this sort, Akin's comments were really sickening and ignorant, and very disturbing because it is the basic belief of his party however ill stated. That people still back them is unbelievable. No, its believable, because they believe what they want to believe.

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When I find myself leaning more toward bass4funk's opinion, you know the left has gone hog wild. So I am imploring MY TEAM to calm the hell down and have a think, because you acting like a bunch of conservatives frankly.

Yes, I too believe that at least part of this is because Akin laid bare what many other Republican's believe. But more than that, he is being shunned simply because he finds himself in controversy, and most Rs can smell the blood in the water and know that with Romney, they cannot afford to rush in with so many sharks about. They are standing on a knife edge, and they know it.

But yes, a lot of Republicans do actually think what he said about rape victims shutting down pregnancies naturally to be a bit too much on the insane side, despite the other insane and inconsistent opinions they may hold. Making too much of those who agree with him is not helping anybody, not even OUR TEAM.

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Yes, I know, but you are still beating that generalization drum and in doing is totally unjust.

Agreed. Globalwatcher seems to be one of those ultra-feminists bent on doing women serious harm. In this climate, trying to define forcible rape is an invitation to a gaffe. I have not declined because getting negative votes means nothing to me. It would be different if I were a politician facing reporters.

But if you think the difference between forcible rape, rape by coercion, rape by trickery, statutory rape, and sexual assault (like touching) is really nothing and no difference needs to be enshrined in law for any reason, and lawmakers should not bother with trying to be clear about these things, well, you would have to be an extremist and if not a fool, then evil.

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Men should stay out of it and this decision whether to take a child to term or abort a potential human being of the joys of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and leave it to the woman to make and leave it between her and her creator, or whoever she uses, as a the higher guidance in her life decisions if this is right or wrong.

I am reluctantly pro-choice after many years of deep conversations with others both choice and life and soul searching. It is in my opinion ultimately up for a woman to decide. It should be legal, it should be rare and in my opinion it should never be cheerleaded as some sort of sacred rite for a woman to be able to have one.

Abortion at its core is denying a potential human being a chance to be alive. This is not something pretty to celibrate or cheer about.

I have the utmost respect for those that are pro-life. They sincerely believe that life is a gift from the creator and though that gift of life may not be delivered in ways that sit well due to the circumstances on how it was conceived it is still a gift of life. This is not to mocked, it is from a position of sincerity from the heart for the innocent potential human being that sits inside a mothers womb.

I also have the utmost respect for those that are pro-choice. They sincerely believe that life really doesn't begin or exist until the fetus can be able to actually survive outside the mothers womb. That until that point it is just a clump of bio-mass that hasn't hit critical stage to be considered as a potential human being.

From my male gender perspective though. I have total respect for males that are pro-life though I ultimately don't agree with their position for my reasoning above.

I also have almost zero respect for most males that are pro-choice. There has been a few exceptions based on their reasoning for being pro-choice (those that more or less fall on the same side as my reasoning), but for the most part it has been from my experience that their support is not based on anything noble. It's based on pure selfish reasons. The overall view that abortion is ultimately their get out of child support card when they just have sex and deep down, they could really care less about their sex partner. It's a pretty crass male position to take though true in my opinion on how some males really do think overall on having to be saddled with a child,..,.....or .... just the sex please with no responsibilities and keep my abortion out card legal if you don't mind if she happens to get pregnant.

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Sail, interesting post.

I think I'm going to print your post out and keep it for reference.

Sorry, I mistakenly thought you were pro-life.

My apologies.

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Men should stay out of it and this decision whether to take a child to term or abort a potential human being of the joys of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and leave it to the woman to make and leave it between her and her creator, or whoever she uses, as a the higher guidance in her life decisions if this is right or wrong.

I would agree if she was the only one involved in making the baby. But it takes 2 (Male and Female) and both decided NOT to use birth-control so both are responsible.

So if 2 people are involved why should only one have the decision power? Father has no say? Huh? If either sex sez no equals no Baby.

Tough decision to abort but it is NOT a form of birth control, there are many products out there that do that and also prevent STD"s.

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In short she engaged in unprotected sex knowing that she might get pregnant.

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Sail, your post made me think more about responsibility.

I think to some, it is key to preserve life until the fetus takes its first breath.

Conservatives, generally, champion this.

What I don't understand is why many, many of the same conservatives wish to pull the rug out from under the new mum/parents by cutting food stamps, child support, subsidies, funding for education, etc.

Why do you think conservatives are so keen to ensure all pregnancies reach full term and then - suddenly - want to put the same babies at a  disadvantage by slashing support?

That is not being responsible at all, almost like saving up money to buy a new pet and then neglecting it immediately after you bring it home.

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If Republicans are not willing to ensure there are appropriately funded support mechanisms and services in place for babies after birth, those same Republicans probably shouldn't be so firm on banning abortion.

As in a race, crossing the start line is one thing, but you also need to reach the finish line.

Republicans seem to only want people to cross the start line.

There is no responsibility whatsoever in this attitude.

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Sail, I agreed, basically, with what you said until this point:

I also have almost zero respect for most males that are pro-choice.

You seem to be saying, "I am pro-choice, and I have almost zero respect for myself."

In effect, you seem to be trying to create a middle ground between those who value life and those who cavalierly - perhaps even in celebration! - toss it away. The latter does not exist except amongst psychopaths. No sane person celebrates abortion; the pro-choice position is to recognize it as a lesser of two evils.

I am a pro-choice male with a bit of a twist: I was adopted from Boston in 1965, and if abortion laws in that Catholic city had been as liberal then as they are now, I might not exist. I am grateful to my natural mother (who I do not know) for bringing me into this world, but I also support her right now not to have done so.

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Latina, wow, you've got quite a story.

"and if abortion laws in that Catholic city had been as liberal then as they are now, I might not exist."

Sailwind said something along the same lines earlier.

I'm not exactly sure how to word this, but my kind of point is: aborted fetuses never live to ponder this.

So it's almost moot.

Apologies in advance if I haven't quite made myself clear.....

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Sorry! 'Laguna' Damn spell checker. :-)

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Sail, I agreed, basically, with what you said until this point:

That made me go "huh?" as well. But then I read on. Well, I don't know if saying most pro-choice males are like that is fair, but certainly many are. My position is that its a difficult choice for the woman either way, and having a difficult choice forced upon a person is never good. Everyone has their own personal situation, and they need to make such a hefty choice themselves. The guy, he made his choice when he got her pregnant. Not getting a woman pregnant is really a piece of cake. He has no excuses if he did not want a baby, so his opinion hardly matters.

So I too have no respect for males who support abortion as a get-out-of-daddyhood-cheap card. I just don't know how many are out there.

I arrived at many of the same conclusions as Sailwind, but from the opposite, the liberal, mindset. We should not be cavalier about abortions, but many pro-choice people have a casual air about them concerning abortion. And so, I do respect the pro-life people who base their position on a respect for life. But that is certainly not all of them.

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If Republicans are not willing to ensure there are appropriately funded support mechanisms and services in place for babies after birth, those same Republicans probably shouldn't be so firm on banning abortion.

They never put the two together. Most people don't think so holistically, and Republicans do tend to care too much for money. And looking at them separately, they chose the money when money is involved. And basically, someone else's abortion does not cost them, so they turn to principle.

Another thing that needs to be done is that the fathers need to be made to be responsible. As I said before, they made their choice when they made the pregnancy, and preventing it is a snap. After that, they should be held to whatever the woman decides. Any man that does not want to be a daddy just needs to wear a glove and use it properly. The woman really can't help him do it right if he insists on being a dingbat.

Men really have had a choice since time began. Remember the story of Onan? I am not going to say that pull-out is perfect, but its pretty effective. Its extremely effective when combined with condoms, or even other methods of natural family planning. And that is why God himself was so mad at Onan. He didn't laugh and exclaim that it would never work, like your sex ed teacher does. It does work! That is why he killed Onan!

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"No dinner"

When my parents imposed no dinner on me for something bad I did, I straightened up real quick, ha ha!

On the other hand, I never got any money from them.

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They never put the two together. Most people don't think so holistically, and Republicans do tend to care too much for money. And looking at them separately, they chose the money when money is involved. And basically, someone else's abortion does not cost them, so they turn to principle.

Blah, blah, blah...it's so easy for those on the left to sweep an arm and make generalizations about how greedy Republicans are, and how they worship only the almighty dollar and don't care about their fellow human kind. All utter rubbish to portray the left as so much more humanistic. But in truth, it's not that your average Republican cares any less about their fellow man, but rather they put stock in reality. Life is a tough btch and people have to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. For every five people that are in true need because of circumstances beyond their control, their are fifteen that are in need because of their own stupidity or poor choices. Creating big government and a welfare state does not create a strong and vibrant society. It's time to stop asking what is owed to you, and start doing the hard slog to see that and yours can survive. How about instead of looking at those who endeavor to, and do succeed as exploiters, stop pssing and moaning and get to work. There are no jobs? BS - I'll even give it to the President that part of the unemployment problem is not his fault - it's the American people's fault. We've become so entitled that too many jobs that are out there an available remain vacant because they are 'too hard, or beneath me' to lazy, entitled Americans.

It's time to toughen up, 'man' up and get on with what we set out to do, and stop being left-wing pansies who expect to be handed everything. That's a big part of the Republican message, and I'm all for it.

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Sorry - tried to use an asterisk, which apparently makes text italics. This forum editor blows

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You seem to be saying, "I am pro-choice, and I have almost zero respect for myself."

I'm am pro choice and I have enough of respect for myself to understand the difference that between.....I think it may legal and allowed it is really not moral and it never will be.

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"I think it may legal and allowed it is really not moral and it never will be."

It's hard to tell. All I know is that their are too many unwanted babies, with morality, where do you stop?

Thanks for your honesty earlier BTW.

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"Sorry! 'Laguna' Damn spell checker"

Heh, we call that "Busted" where I come from Sushi. It's OK mind, Latina's are my favourite too :p

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bass, you have been attacking Obama's academic record. Obama has nothing to hide unlike Paul Ryan and Romney.

We still want to see Romney's tax records more than 2 years. . He has something to hide,. We demand transparency from Romney/Ryan team.

Here it is. You have to be a top of the top (1%) to be an aditor of Harvard Law Review. I am just showing you 3 who served for Harvard Law Review.

Obama (President of US), Roberts (Chief Justice of US Supreme Court) and Kegan (Justice-US Supreme Court ) so you can compare Obama's qualification to others

1) OBAMA-Harvard Law Review.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html

2) ROBERTS-Harvard Law Review

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roberts

3) KEGAN-Harvard Law Review

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Kagan

Mr Fake (Paul Ryan) and Romney cannot produce the same qualification as well as these 3 listed above.

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It's hard to tell. All I know is that their are too many unwanted babies, with morality, where do you stop?

Not a mans decision. The only person that really can decide is the woman carrying the child and her conscience and that is ultimately why I am pro choice.

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Solely a man's decision, absolutely not, but I don't see why a man in a serious relationship shouldn't have his say too. It's true that women have been bullied and mistreated over the years, but more and more men are being pulled over the barrel with not only pregnancies, but also claims of rape too.

I read today that in the vast majority of states in the US, 31 to be exact, men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights/index.html?hpt=hp_c4

Surely this must be rubbish?

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Solely a man's decision, absolutely not, but I don't see why a man in a serious relationship shouldn't have his say too.

As in forcing his female partner to have the child if she doesn't want to?.......You really want to go there in this discussion?

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"As in forcing his female partner to have the child if she doesn't want to?"

I was thinking about two reasonable people who care about each other actually, or even the exact opposite of your statement.

I've had a few friends with marriages going south who's wife has "out of the blue" got pregnant. I know these girls think another child will bring hubby back to the marriage and make such a unilatteral decision, but all these people I know at least ended up bailing in the end, despite the wife's best efforts, leaving a young child in a broken home. Where's the morality there?

At the end of the day, intelligent people realize there can be so many variables in the mix before choosing an abortion that a one-size fits all solution is impossible, and that legislation prohibiting it is not only medieval, but leads to a black market solution like everything else we ban.

Those in the American Taliban that would make these decisions for others would do well to spend some time with women that have actually had an abortion. While they may not regret the decision for whatever reason they had at the time, it always leaves an indelible mental scar.

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Something to consider is that, in the latest Gallup polling, more Americans consider themselves to be pro-life than pro-choice. So those remarking on the "American Taliban" need to be careful. Romney"s position more closely reflects the general public than Obama's.

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"Romney"s position more closely reflects the general public than Obama's."

Which of Romney's positions do you mean?

As Ted Kennedy quipped - he's multi-choice.

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Well, ROmney (along with 80% of the general public) opposes abortion for the purpose of gender selection. Obama permits it. Obama also supported legislation (opposed by a bipartisan group) that would deny legal rights to those babies who somehow survived abortion attempts and were born alive. If anyone is an abortion extremist,it is the President.

It's a tough subject for sure. All I know is this: I have yet to ever hear any pregnant woman refer to her unborn child as a "fetus". Nobody says, "how's the fetus doing today?", or "wow, the fetus is really kicking a lot this morning" or "Do you know if your fetus is male or female?"

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"Obama also supported legislation (opposed by a bipartisan group) that would deny legal rights to those babies who somehow survived abortion attempts and were born alive."

Foetus's that survive an abortion are exactly that - they are not the healthy nnew-born baby image you're trying to conjure. I imagine it's also a pretty rare circumstance.

" If anyone is an abortion extremist,it is the President"

Oh come on, that is how the American Taliban would retort.

" All I know is this: I have yet to ever hear any pregnant woman refer to her unborn child as a "fetus". Nobody says, "how's the fetus doing today?", or "wow, the fetus is really kicking a lot this morning" or "Do you know if your fetus is male or female?"

Because these are women that are happy to be having there babies, not women contemplating an abortion.

I also doubt your gender abortion claims. You can choose the sex of your baby long before, have been able to for years.

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Madverts: it doesnt matter if the babies that survive abortion are perfectly healthy or not. I imagine they are at the least injured and traumatized. But, they ARE living and breathing humans, and deserve better than being left to die after finally taking their first breaths.

You can doubt my claims, but they are true. Often, ultrasound scans are used to determine gender and then, based on that information, the decision is made whether to continue the pregnancy. Sadly, this often happens in ethnic Americans like Chinese or Indian families, where having male babies is more important. In any case, Obama supports the right of a women to have an abortion just because she doesn't like the gender of her baby.

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bass, as far as transparency of Romney's tax returns, he still needs to open his tax returns before election. If he is still elected to go to Washington, the congress(more seats gained by Democrats after the election) will start a process of Impeachment to remove him from Washington. He may be possibly a felon violating IRS tax codes. FYI

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Well, ROmney (along with 80% of the general public) opposes abortion for the purpose of gender selection. Obama permits it.

Your post above is incorrect. More than 75% of women age under 45 are already on birth control pills. The poll record listed below is unbiased data.

http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

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"You can doubt my claims, but they are true. "

Then back them up.

Like I said, designer babies where the sex can be chosen have been around for years if not decades. Why on earth would a woman go through the misery of an abortion after conception to determine the sex of a baby when the alternatives are easily accessible?

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GW/ I don't think birth control pills are relevant. AFAIK, nobody wants to ban them.

Madverts; we aren't talking about methods of gender selection pre-pregnancy. I mean those who are pregnant, find the gender isn't what they want, and then choose to abort. It's already banned in such Taliban-esque nations as France, Canada, the UK, and Germany....

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VRWC.

So you prefer countries like china where daughters are killed because they want a son.

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GW/ I don't think birth control pills are relevant. AFAIK, nobody wants to ban them.

Vast, it sure does. This is a heart of issue of H.R.3.

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HR3 is about the funding, not the legality of the pills. It's different. People who want birth control are free to go and get them. They just have to pay for them by themselves. That, or go to a charity like Planned Parenthood. To repeat, there is no effort to ban birth control pills.

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Madverts, the use of abortion to favor sons over daughters is going strong in China and India. The resulting skew in the ratio of teenage boys to girls is rather amazing. This has been commented on multiple times in "The Economist" amongst other news outlets. So yeah, not only does it happen in some countries it is prevalent. I'm sure it's done in the US as well, but probably not so often. There isn't a skew in the population at this time.

As far as rape and incest that result in conception are concerned I hope that part gets negotiated out of the Republican platform. We shall see.

Unfortunately there seems to be no middle ground any more. That's probably why the number of people who get out and vote keeps going down. Politics is an ugly business and most people are sick of it.

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HR3 is about the funding, not the legality of the pills. It's different. People who want birth control are free to go and get them

Vest, you stated very well. Yes, HR3 is about the funding. Do not assume all American women can afford that. The average birth control pills price is .about $15–$50 a month. FYI

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"Madverts, the use of abortion to favor sons over daughters is going strong in China and India."

Great, but we're discussing America. The one child policy in China plus backwards areas of India have no bearing in this discussion for obvious reasons.

VRWC seems to be saying that abortions due to the unwanted sex of the baby are a regular occurrence in the US. Perhaps he's going to prove me wrong, but I'm thinking it is at best a rare happening as per what I've already posted.

"As far as rape and incest that result in conception are concerned I hope that part gets negotiated out of the Republican platform. We shall see."

From what I'm reading as to this day they have no plans to do so.

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GW; Fifteen bucks a month is not a strain on the budget for 99% of people. For the others, there are myriad free clinics, charities (such as Planned Parenthood) and so on. There is no need for the govt to pay for this any more than for viagra or condoms.

Madverts: I never said it was regular, just that Obama was against it when the vast majorty of the public was in favor. Obama is NOT part of the mainstream on this issue, he is extreme.

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"Obama was against it when the vast majorty of the public was in favor"

Against what exactly?

Are you suggesting that Obama has an abortion proposal that includes a clause for people who want to abort their baby unhappy with its' sex or somehow supports this type of thing?

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GW; Fifteen bucks a month is not a strain on the budget for 99% of people. For the others, there are myriad free clinics, charities (such as Planned Parenthood) and so on. There is no need for the govt to pay for this any more than for viagra or condoms.

Vest, you said it well again.

American women in "X Y" generation and "Z" generation cannot afford to buy birth control pills if they are unemployed or uninsured. I have just given you a mid range price of birth control pills, if they are not insured, more than likely, the same pills would cost more than $120 a month.

I am including recent stats listed below. 99% of the Middle income Americans are struggling to ends meet today and there have been too many dead-beat dads in society. They want to f@@k women while they refuse to take personal responsibility. I am on the same page with tigermouthII on this. Excellent post!

Middle Class Share of America's Income Shrinking

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/middle-class-share-americas-income-shrinking-17057844

U.S. Poverty On Track To Rise To Highest Since 1960s

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/22/us-poverty-level-1960s_n_1692744.html

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Starting today, Romeny/Ryan team does not want to accept any questions unless all questions are submitted in writing first and refused to talk about anything on Romney's Tax retuns, Akin, Medicare and Rape issues. They set a pre-condition for interview and has refused CBS interview today.

Do they want us to talk about weather? That's not the way to conduct presidential campaign.

The interview should be open, no pre condition, no pre questionnaires in writing prior to interview, are allowed if they are really running for the race. We would like to know who they are and what they believe in. Americans deserve the honest answers from them. We do not want to send "Fakes" to Washington.

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American women in "X Y" generation and "Z" generation cannot afford to buy birth control pills if they are unemployed or uninsured. I have just given you a mid range price of birth control pills, if they are not insured, more than likely, the same pills would cost more than $120 a month.

This is a very important point concerning the American healthcare system that is not immediately obvious. Big insurers can negotiate deep discounts on behalf of their clients. This has the added effect, however, of driving up the cost of services and medicine for those without access to the discounts.

Also, it seems a little disingenuous to say "Well, just go to planned parenthood" when the Republicans are actively trying to de-fund such organizations. I'm not sure why women should have to rely on charity for fertility health and family planning services, anyway.

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Worst case scenario for Missouri Democrats - - - the disgraced Mr Akin steps down and is immediately replaced by a Tea Party candidate who goes on to join the growingTea Party Caucus now in Congress.

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American women in "X Y" generation and "Z" generation cannot afford to buy birth control pills if they are unemployed or uninsured.

So American woman can't afford to tell their boyfriends to folk over $8 bucks for a box of rubbers or they aren't gettin' any? Come Liberals come up with something better than that?

By the way, hope Akins drops out and a woman takes his place. That guy is a little off.

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I am Roman Catholic and thus pro life and that is that. When it is alright to kill a baby by labeling it a "fetus" or "tissue". It opens up killing to people. It is called dehumanizing and has been used for ages to kill. Hey bub is is only a " " not like you are killing a person. It America late term aborted babies have lived but allowed to die. I do cross the line about birth control because it makes less dead babies. While I disagree with him on the rape part do agree that babies of rape are people too! Calling them foul names is blaming them because of their fathers action not theirs.

While you may not like my stand, people need to respect each other.

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