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No Tube: London subway hit by strike, day after rail walkout

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I really don't see this rail dispute being resolved imminently.

Grant Shapps Secretary of State for Transport is threatening to enact section 188 legislation under the Trade Union and Labour Relations Act.

“If we can’t get this settled in the way that we are proposing, which is [asking unions], ‘Please put the deal to your membership,’ then we will have to move to what is called a section 188; it is a process of actually requiring these changes to go into place so it becomes mandated” 

Section 188 legislation could also associated with practices such as fire and rehire tactics.

Shapps is not mandated to make such changes as the government is not recognised as an employer in this dispute.

That is a matter for the train operators and staff.

Sounds a tad like clutching at straws.

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You guys all had jobs during the pandemic. No jobs or income lost, no worry about how to pay your mortgage (at least no more than before the pandemic) Now you want to hold critical infrastructure hostage because things cost more.

Guess what? They cost more for us too. I don’t like it either, but I don’t try to hold peoples lives hostage.

The metro compares very poorly with Tokyo’s subway system. Infrequent and late trains. Poor communication, dirty trains (last time I was on one I was thinking “don’t you guys ever clean?”) and high fares. And now, they just aren’t going to work.

This kind of selfishness gives public service unions a bad name.

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Guess what? They cost more for us too. I don’t like it either, but I don’t try to hold peoples lives hostage.

Wow, sounds like you should join a strong union, like these workers.

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Surprises me that strikes are still legal.

Don't want to work? Quit.

Don't come to work? Fired.

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Taking part in industrial action and strikes

https://www.gov.uk/industrial-action-strikes/your-employment-rights-during-industrial-action

However, if you take industrial action, your employer will reduce your length of service with them by the number of days you were on strike. This is important when working out your pension and things like statutory redundancy pay.

Just to give a insight into when an feels compelled to withdraw there labour, strike.

There are consequences, some hidden. Prolonged strike action has could reduce your pension entitlement, as well as any future statutory redundancy pay.

The tax payer bailed out the sector, it is doubtful if such action will be repeated.

The transport sector as well as the hospitably industry desperately need an end to WFH and office based staff returning to there places of work.

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Surprises me that strikes are still legal.

Don't want to work? Quit.

Don't come to work? Fired.

Thanks for letting me us know you hate working people and adore corporations.

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All workers should strike. Over 10% inflation! What exactly is the governments job apart from partying during lockdowns and spending tax money on weapons for a non eu/NATO country.

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Some of the bus drivers were striking too. Junior doctors are about to vote on strike action.

Useless waste of space Transport Secretary Grant Schapps, who has refused to talk to the unions, has been doing the media rounds telling lies about pay and why workers are striking. Lied about nurses pay on TV yesterday.

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My English friend said that the government has literally disappeared amid all that's going on as well. Possibly due to a 'leadership' vacuum caused by Johnson being ousted with no replacement or maybe because......the 'leaders' don't know what to do.

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Wait till winter, then what?

“thank you neo-liberal/con. May I have another?”

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Don't worry, Liz Truss to the rescue.

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How much do those greedy drivers earn?

Some of them earn £100K a year!

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How much do those greedy drivers earn?

Some of them earn £100K a year!

Tell me about it. You don't see nurses going on strike (although they've got a big reason to do so). These drivers aren't earning peanuts.

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CitizenSmith

How much do those greedy drivers earn?

> Some of them earn £100K a year!

That is not correct. Correct info from here

Train Operator’s full time salary is £55,011 and the average salary received by the 3,996 Train Operators employed by TfL is £52,329.

Question 1: The highest total remuneration received by a Tube driver?

Answer: £65,101 (including bonuses, allowances, overtime payments)

https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-2275-1920

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British barristers on strike. Never heard of that before.

Johnson and his lot brought the country to the dogs and piles everywhere.

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The irony, I joined a named City of London banking Institution as a quant after leaving collage, early 20's within 6 months I was earning bonuses of 5 figures on complex transactions.

I have no beef in train drivers earning whatever they are believed to be worth.

They certainly provide an essential service, as Doctors, Nurses, Firefighters, Police etc.

A lot more than my contribution, that began and ended with speculative/predictive risk management that rarely resulted in making money for the most venerable in society.

Walking to my Lawson station, the staff earn a pittance, yet work there socks off.

Don't ever believe we are born equal.

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Exactly as Nemo says.

My politics are Labour Party socialist. But both sides are wrong on this strike and the only victims are fare-paying commuters. What did commuters do to anyone to deserve such a shocking transport system?

I lost my job during the pandemic and had to leave Japan. None of these union members had to endure that. And if I dared to go on strike in my new job now guess what would happen to me.

Their job is to get commuters to work, families to be able to travel to each other, and to get students to college. Striking and stopping the transportation system is a complete dereliction of their very duty.

They are paid to drive trains and operate signals. They knew their salary level when they joined and they know the state of the global economy after the pandemic.

I would sack the management for profiteering and non-recruitment and I would sack the workforce for leaving their duties.

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Nemo's post is all you need to know about this strike. It's worth reposting.

You guys all had jobs during the pandemic. No jobs or income lost, no worry about how to pay your mortgage (at least no more than before the pandemic) Now you want to hold critical infrastructure hostage because things cost more.

Guess what? They cost more for us too. I don’t like it either, but I don’t try to hold peoples lives hostage.

The metro compares very poorly with Tokyo’s subway system. Infrequent and late trains. Poor communication, dirty trains (last time I was on one I was thinking “don’t you guys ever clean?”) and high fares. And now, they just aren’t going to work.

This kind of selfishness gives public service unions a bad name.

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The Metro is the Paris underground, not London which is the Tube or Underground.

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And if I dared to go on strike in my new job now guess what would happen to me.

Given that you can only go on strike if it has been voted in and approved by members of your union, which has the legal right to call for and execute a strike if the vote for one goes through, the answer is: nothing.

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These union members are spoilt. And let's be honest, they only take those jobs for the union protection and for the pension. If these workers were striking for railway infrastructure investment or for commuters season ticket reductions I would support them. But they're not. They're just striking for their own selfish reasons and the average working person trying to commute into work is affected.

The union leaders are fooling us. Trying to make out they are striking for the rest of us. No they're not. They are striking for their own salary increases and benefits.

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