N Korea says U.S. ruining mood of detente ahead of summit

So the next dance begins. I imagine that Trump sees himself as leading, but I get the feeling that Kim either doesn't know it, or just enjoys stepping on his toes!

So much for that feel good, Nobel peace prize nonsense.

Already some bickering and who knows what will be next off the table.

North Korea being....well, North Korea. Already.

So if NK tanks this, does Trump still get the peace prize?

So much for that feel good, Nobel peace prize nonsense.

So if NK tanks this, does Trump still get the peace prize?

actually cheering for peace talks to fail!

Define "denuclearization"

actually cheering for peace talks to fail!

Hmm, let's start with your claim of a cheer. I said:

So if NK tanks this, does Trump still get the peace prize?

'So if': nope, no cheering in there, just the opening to a hypothetical question

'Nk tanks this': A third party action, so no cheering in there

'does Trump': ' The subject of the sentence, a pure statement, no cheering at this point

'still get the peace prize?': The question asked, expressing: a period of time, an action, and the object to which it refers. Nothing of own thoughts or opinions, definitely no 'cheering'. And without having cheered, there is no way for me to have done so in hopes that the peace talks would fail.

The easiest way to clarify it though is just to ask me, 'hey strangerland, are you cheering for the peace talks to fail?' To which I would reply 'of course not, don't be daft, that would be the worse possible outcome'. To which a non-troll may ask 'then why would you make such a statement?' To which I would reply 'it was a sarcastic statement meant to subtly point out the illogical idea of giving Trump the peace prize in the first place, when peace has not yet been achieved'.

You know, how normal discourse goes when you're not trolling someone.

Or maybe you don't actually know.

If Kim is serious, nothing should deter him, nothing, if he is not, then he would complain, let’s see how it goes, but this is a slight possible indicator that the lips are moving, but not the heart.

Liberals are just over anxious about how Trump will be perceived if this works out. They see the tide turning and public opinion turning against them, as every single poll is up.

It will be hard for them to accept that the last 2 years of their lives, up late at night donating in excess of limits to anti-trump candidates, was a total waste of time. gotta hope this fails, so things can go back to their “normal”, with Trump being an orange dotard.

Liberals are just over anxious about how Trump will be perceived if this works out.

I don't think so. To give an example, Obama took out Bin Laden - who was a major target of the Republicans. You would think that would seal his re-election without a doubt. But by the time the election came around, it was long forgotten. And that was back before the red-bull Trump news cycle.

If peace ends up coming out of this, I think everyone will be happy. Trump will definitely get a boost in the polls from it. And who knows, maybe he would even deserve some of it. But either way, after that he'll be Trump, and then Trump again, and then again and again and again and again, and by the time any election comes around, the N. Korea thing will be drowned out by a million other Trumpisms.

Right now, we should all be hoping for peace out of this, and for Trump to either assist in that, or at the very least to not screw it up.

So liberals need to also do their part in helping this to not get screwed up, no? Can’t just say everyone will be happy IF it happens, you need to actively contribute to that effort.

Not being so petty to worry about if Trump gets something if it’s successful. Your guy got the same award got nothing, so why would you care?

The key point that liberals don’t understand in this, it’s not being done for an “election” or to get votes. The concept of doing anything for other than those reasons is alien to you guys.

So liberals need to also do their part in helping this to not get screwed up, no?

Yeah, definitely.

Can’t just say everyone will be happy IF it happens, you need to actively contribute to that effort.

Trust is earned. Trump has spent the last three years screwing things up, you can't expect eveyrone to suddenly trust he's not going to do so this time. At the moment, the left needs to not get in the way. Don't expect them to suddenly start trusting Trump, and calling him the peacemaker, and supporting his nobel peace prize, when peace hasn't even happened.

By the way what was obama’s Approval rating the day before Bin Laden killing? 44%

what was it right after? 51%. So he got his approval for that.

I think you guys are anxious that Trump will get the same credit or more and you will lose the midterms because of it. So someone has to be working against Trump

Who is the “John Kerry” for North Korea? Someone must be holding secret meetings with NK without authorization like he is with Iran.

I think you guys are anxious that Trump will get the same credit or more and you will lose the midterms because of it. So someone has to be working against Trump

Only a moron would place more importance on their politician affiliation over the denuclearization of a rogue state, with a unification of their neighbor thrown in to boot.

I dare say anyone actively working against that deserves condemnation to the highest degree.

I haven’t seen that on this site though.

Lets see how Trump responds.

Just think that KJU's trying to say that peace talks are happening cause he and Moon want it not because of Trump or anti NK measures.

He just doesn't want Trump to take credit for his/sk's work and (perhaps) genuine goodwill.

No doubt the current affairs is sensitive that Kim can't afford to lose "face" and admit that it was U.S. political pressure, sanctions and possible military threats that influenced him to be willing to discuss denuclearization and open negotiations with the U.S.

Hopefully the U.S. and UN won't relax political pressure and sanctions until North Korea follows through with denuclearization and military parity between North and South is restored. Then discussions of peace settlement and the ultimate goal of unification of the two Koreas under a democratic government can be pursued.

The wildcard in this game is China. Will Xi really allow North Korea to go this direction? Very unlikely Xi will allow unification under a government not aligned with China.

But realistically speaking, it is doubtful whether any earnest talks will happen while Trump is President; Kim will find an excuse to cancel and delay until after 2020 when a liberal Democrat is elected President and North Korea gets a more favourable deal, i.e., U.S. forces removed, South Korea surrender and agreement to unification under DPRK regime.

So you liberals can relax; Trump won't get the Nobel Peace "Award".

If Korea is completely free of nuclear weapons, then what deterrent to invasion is there? NK will have China's nukes just across that border. SK will only have those stored on US warships in the region.

And when was the last time NK actually told the truth about anything related to nuclear weapons? 1980s?

OTOH, it isn't like the USgovt is any fountain of truth since pre-Clinton times.

The worry is that Trump may ruin it with one of his boastful twitter meltdowns. Something along the lines of, "Rocket man talking about denuclearization because of my tough stance. Scared him into peace! If only Obama had etc etc etc"

Kim can't be seen to lose face in front of his people, so Trump needs to keep schtum if at all possible.

An early complaint by NK that the US may undermine any north-south rapprochement is a good out for NK if (when) the talks fail, i.e. SK decides it won’t pay out what NK will demand.

I really don’t expect much to come out of the talks. Reunification worked for the Germanies because the DDR was ripe for collapse and its people had already started making a mass exodus. That will not happen to NK.

Well, the US (and Japan) kept their vilifying rhetoric up while NK eased it a bit. But it's all by design anyways.

Donny and Kimmy should just have a round of golf to decide who wins.

Hold off on Trumps Nobel Peace Prize.

All I know is this is first time progress has been made with North Korea. I think Xi has a bit to do with it. Definitely President Trump's stance. Don't tread on me.

The denuclearization of Korea puts China in control of Korea . which is still a little bit better than the NWO or the globalist's in control .

"Pyongyang claims Kim himself is the driver of the current situation."

Har! I will allow, however, that Kim was the driver of his uncle's execution and is the driver of the situation in which M&Ms are still not sold in N Korean stores.

N Korea says U.S. ruining mood of detente ahead of summit

Maybe a little wine and some Barry White can make things right again.

Trump and his big mouth is going to ruin the chance for peace on the Korean peninsula. Everyone was keeping their fingers crossed, BUT you know Trump, he had to open his mouth trying to get credit for the TALK. North and South should just go and do it and leave the US out.

North and South should just go and do it and leave the US out.

Ask Rocket Man - the talks are all about the US - not the two Koreas themselves. That’s why Moon keeps giving Trump credit for the diplomatic progress thus far. Trump is just staking out a tough negotiating stand and Lil’Kim is doing the same.

Let's give credit where credit's due. Do you all honestly believe Kim's sudden willingness to discuss denuclearization and eagerness for summit meetings sprang from a heartfelt desire to be a peacemaker? if Trump hadn’t threatened fire and fury with a nuclear button that he said was bigger than Kim’s, Kim would still be testing missiles and nuclear warheads.

And as for Trump being "unpresidential" with his swagger and crass talk, Obama, Bush and Clinton being "presidential and diplomatic" got nowhere and achieved nothing, except bought Kim time to finetune his nuclear know-how.

It was Trump that got Kim to send his sister and athletes to the Winter Olympics in South Korea, to stop further nuclear tests and missile tests and offer denuclearization, to set up a summit with South Korean leader Moon Jae-in, offer to meet Trump, and to travel to Beijing to break the ice with Xi.

You have to admit Trump's gunslinging diplomacy has taken us where no other president dared go to achieve these unprecedented events and further U.S. political goals to where it wants to be.

Well said Halwick.

I guess some will still say that the universe started with a Big Bang. But something had to occurre for this Big Bang to happen.