North Korea decries breakdown of talks; U.S. says they were 'good'

The North Korean position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards genuine nuclear disarmament or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

I would like to say this is unlikely because we probably won't have another president as incompetent as Donny, but I learned my lesson after thinking that about Bush II. Never underestimate the power of ignorant conservatives.

Bush II must loooove Donny. I don't mean his policies or anything, but rather that he bumped him (Bush) from the position of worst president ever.

Remember that time the Trumpets went on about how the other presidents were ineffective because they just didn't do [x].

Remember that time Trump did [x] and left the US in a weaker position than before he started?

This is the problem with the "we need someone who is willing to do what it takes" attitude. It's the emotional reaction to a difficult situation. Unfortunately, when it comes to international diplomacy, where you don't have the backing of a legal framework and a police force to enforce it, emotional responses are ALWAYS doomed to fail. Always. There is a reason the people who know what they're doing haven't just done [x].

This is a teachable moment. We've put up with three years of the children telling us Trump is something special with North Korea. Today was report card day. Trump received an F for NK class. He did get an A for effort though. It wasn't that he didn't try, just that he was incompetent.

Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

Especially with Bad Faith Donny at the helm of the US.

Especially with Bad Faith Donny at the helm of the US.

Well yeah, the other side is look at what happened with Iran. NK could make a deal, live up to it, and still have it canceled on them when the next president comes around.

The world can no longer place any faith in agreements made with the US. The Iran debacle has proven that.

NK could make a deal, live up to it, and still have it canceled on them when the next president comes around.

I would like to say this is unlikely because we probably won't have another president as incompetent as Donny, but I learned my lesson after thinking that about Bush II. Never underestimate the power of ignorant conservatives.

I imagine it's a bit of a love/hate thing for Shrub (Bush II) because he has a semblance of decency.

Yeah, I think there is a good chance he also hates Trump as well for what he has done to the country.

The Trumpets seem to be particularly silent. It may take them a few hours to figure out what the talking points should be before they can respond.

I suspect it will be something about sanctions. But then we'll have to remind them about how they called former presidents "losers" and "ineffective" with their sanctions.

SerranoToday  09:30 am JST

One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.

Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

North Korea said Thursday that it had successfully test-fired a new submarine-launched ballistic missile off its east coast, the Korean Central News Agency reported

(news source)

Hey Trump people!! What happened?

Kim was not a strongman at the time of his father's death, and still depends on the structures around him.

Nope. He's shown his people that he's go the respect of the president of the USA - something his father and grandfather were never able to achieve. That shored up his power in NK.

Kim will never give up his nukes.

But hey, maybe we should still give Trump the nobel for solving the NK problem by legitimizing Un in the eyes of his people.

Bush II must loooove Donny. I don't mean his policies or anything, but rather that he bumped him (Bush) from the position of worst president ever.

I imagine it's a bit of a love/hate thing for Shrub (Bush II) because he has a semblance of decency.

So how's Trump's Nobel application going? Anyone got any updates? They must be about ready to give it to him by now right?

The successes have been Trump getting even more free marketing for his brand name, making his syndicate better able to reach a broader global market, and Kim showing his population he's more powerful than the US president. Few others in the US, Korea and around the world have gained. The US taxpayers have funded Trump's infomercials for his brand.

Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war

You mean like the previous American led incursion into war in Korea? Or like Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq? Or is that a reference to what was said prior to WWI? Or was that just the first thing to popped into your head and you did not bother to filter it?

One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/11/asia-pacific/u-s-forces-korea-acknowledges-north-korean-icbm-can-hit-anywhere-united-states/#.XZk6fUYzbIU

Newsflash - Donnie's already lost that one.....

Sometimes too much talk is not good for any country. It never has been as history has shown. Bloody yes but that's a way of life. The US failed and continues to fail at this while other older countries don't.

Naw, we were dead wrong.

You never answered why you labeled Trump the leader of a “lunatic fringe”.

I know you changed your mind, but what did you originally see which made you think that?

So how's Trump's Nobel application going? Anyone got any updates? They must be about ready to give it to him by now right?

It's being held up because Donny's meant to read it before it's submitted . . .

if USA and DPRK can't even agree about the outcome of their talk - that ain't progress

North Korea has been a difficult problem since the end of the Korean War. 

Since the Korean War started! If there hadn't been a war there wouldn't be any "difficult problem!"

Maybe it’s only a minor communication issue, NK says talks were a failure whereas Donny’s minions say they were successful.

A bit like how everyone says Donny is corrupt, while Donny and minions say he is the innocent as a baby!!!!

As Scott Adams correctly predicted

Scott Adams is a pawn of the fake, MSM corporatist, globalist media and he has made a living publishing in these outlets.

Why people trust these people is beyond me.

I can’t recommend anything better to read but I just thought I’d mention it.

This is game over. Kim worked Trump like a butcher breaks down a side of beef. I am sure he can't believe that Trump keeps coming back for more giving him more opportunities to present himself on the world stage. Trump is the worst negotiator in world history.

Gosh, I'm almost starting to believe that North Korea isn't serious about disarming...     Fingers crossed, though!

But hey, maybe we should still give Trump the nobel for solving the NK problem by legitimizing Un in the eyes of his people.

I would add not only to his people but the entire world, now lapdog is begging for an audience with the fat murderer.

The US failed and continues to fail at this while other older countries don't.

Right, and Japan is considered the 4th "oldest" country in the world and they "fail" at negotiating ALL the time!

Age has nothing to do with ability!

https://www.alltherooms.com/blog/oldest-countries-in-the-world/

Trump is useless on North Korea.

North Korea is not Pyongyang is not Kim Miyong Gil.

North Korea is very much Kim Jong un.

or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

had economic sanctions for over 20yrs, yet NK has nukes has short to medium range missiles and sub launched missiles all developed during those years of economic sanctions, seems like those sanctions dont work.

Having nukes means other countries can bully you or threaten a military attack especially if they know their is a potential for a nuke strike on on of your cities. Seems like that NK is going to eventually going to get the concessions they want or theyll just keep developing their missiles sanctions or not.

IF the US could lure the DPRK away from the puppeteers in Beijing it would be a diplomatic achievement of gargantuan proportions.

why would NK or China want that , NK gets almost all its imports from China and NK acts as a bufferzone between 10,000s of US troops stationed in SK. It highly unlikely NK will disappear anytime soon, a ground invasion of NK by SK and America would likely involve China like in the Korean war, that didnt work out well for the UN/US last time around. Biggest factor today is NK didnt have nukes during the Korean war.

North Korea, or at least the current dictator, has no intention of nuclear disarmament, but appearing on the world stage with the American President lends Kim credibility as a legitimate ruler, even if he is nothing of the sort. Trump wants the visual of appearing to be a great leader and a great negotiator, even if the opposite is obviously the case.

. President Trump likely not succeed at this but has nothing to lose trying.

There is plenty to be lost "trying"! Trump is setting back relations with far too many allies around the globe and if he gives an inch on the nuclear issue with NK, it will further ruin any good will the US has with those allies.

One example is Japan. Japan sits right in the path of any missiles being launch, and is very nervous about all these recent tests of mid-range and under water launched missiles. Yet Trump plays it down like it's no big deal.

That is asinine at best! Japan is one of the US's staunchest allies, yet even your best friend will get pissed off at you if you dont back them up when they are facing a bully!

No. North Korea is not Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq.

Yeah. Like Coke isn't Pepsi, RC or Dr. Pepper. I see you just decided to ignore the past experience in North Korea (Coke) to try and pretend its now green tea. You clearly have no clue what is happening in North Korea and/or perhaps not a care in the world for the horror that war unleashes. Or maybe you are just trolling and in fact, love war and know full well its going to take a lot longer than days.

Is this news ???.

The NoKos will never get that sanction relief no matter

but know Russia and China will be right next to them if things get too tough.

Kim said negotiations broke down "entirely because the U.S. has not discarded its old stance and attitude."

Meaning that the US is unwilling to admit NK into the nuclear powers club. The US and the world, dont want that to happen.

Yet Kim is unwilling to give up the program, so no progress!

This is one area where I dont agree with Trump. This Kim guy, is not to be trusted or played with. You dont wont to alienate Putin as Obama did, but I never felt comfortable with the cozy relationship with Kim, this dude is about evil.

How many times can one call wolf?

In the past NK has been able to come away from talks with concessions of one sort (aid etc.) or another. I think that's probably their expectation. Kim will be displeased. Wouldn't want to be one of his negotiators.

NK is like Russia and China now. "Containment" is the solution.

Look at what happened to Ghaddafi.

The Kims have all the motivation in the world to be nuclear.

Kim was not a strongman at the time of his father's death, and still depends on the structures around him. The power to be is the North Korean communist party. The North Korean communist party would never face a Ghaddafi-type end, it's too big and powerful and China would not allow that.

HK, unless you want US invasion and domination, do not give up your nuclear program, keep it going and continue to develop ICBM.

Yeah, so screw Japan, South Korea and destabilization of the Peninsula. I’ll tell you this, if Trump can’t get it done, the next President won’t be so kind to Kim and invasion just might happen. But if you think defiance helps him, it undercuts and will ultimately doom his already poor, malnourished and impoverished nation, so be it. Either now or later, Kim is spitting on borrowed time, he just doesn’t know it.

And I think you meant NK.

We have our eyes on HK? What on earth are you talking about?

Serrano: "Trump would rather not see millions of North Koreans and possibly millions of South Koreans killed."

Nor, possibly millions of Americans killed. In what part of the globe do you live?

Trump is useless on North Korea

Hardly. The NoKos will never get that sanction relief no matter how many times they do test like this, Trump has time, money resources. NK has time, dwindling resources and temper tantrums.

North Korea is not Pyongyang is not Kim Miyong Gil.

The U.S. is not Washington is not Morgan Ortagus.

Whatever the above negotiators said is what they said, not what an entire city or country said.

North Korea is very much Kim Jong un.

Kim Miyong Gil is not Kim Jong Un either. Thank you for proving my point that accurate terms are important to keep people from getting confused.

As Scott Adams correctly predicted, there will have to be several "break downs" before the negotiations get anywhere. This is not an issue that can be resolved in one meeting, as the fake media with anti Trump tunnel visions claims.

Our anti-Trump echo chamber screamers should be glad it is Trump dealing with this, and not a corrupt warmonger like Clinton.

HK, unless you want US invasion and domination, do not give up your nuclear program, keep it going and continue to develop ICBM.

Nor, possibly millions of Americans killed. In what part of the globe do you live?

That probably wouldn’t happen since we have technology and firepower that works, modern and up to date. If they even attacked one of our bases that part of Korea would cease to exist.

Why do people bother to type in comments without any historical understanding?

The DPRK was bought by China from the USSR at the price of 750,000 war dead PLA by 1953 creating an essential puppet state for Mao who even lost one of his sons in this acquisition!

Therefore today the DPRK leadership says a single word that displeases Beijing and the lights go out in Pyongyang. The next day will be a regime change to install a new puppet 100% under control.

If you want to predict what the DPRK will do look at the China politics and voila the DPRK falls into easy to see pattern.

IF the US could lure the DPRK away from the puppeteers in Beijing it would be a diplomatic achievement of gargantuan proportions. President Trump likely not succeed at this but has nothing to lose trying.

As for now, China is trying its hardest to use the DPRK diplomacy as well to embarrass the administration. Expecting much deterioration for the election year.

Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

That made as much sense as the Koreas coming back together. Let them talk, that’s what Democrats want....or do they want war. Either they let Trump follow the path of diplomacy takes time or would they prefer the threats and saber rattling, so which is it? Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t?

Even some of the Trump supporters back in 2016 called him stupid and not capable of being a president? Guess they were correct?

Naw, we were dead wrong.

Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war

You mean like the previous American led incursion into war in Korea? Or like Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq?

No. North Korea is not Afghanistan, Vietnam or Iraq. Once the regime is taken out ( a few days at most if it comes to war ) the south Koreans take over.

Trump would give Kim the US nuclear launch codes in exchange for some dirt on the Bidens and permission to build a Trump tower in Pyongyang.

He would not. Don't be ridiculous.

They need to keep talking and keeping the sanctions pressure on.

Exactly. And that's exactly what's happening.

You never answered why you labeled Trump the leader of a “lunatic fringe”. 

I already did numerous times.

The North Korean position is hardly logical. Either it moves towards genuine nuclear disarmament or else international sanctions continue and the economy is crippled. What is to be gained by the DPRK having a nuclear strike force?

The Trumpets seem to be particularly silent.

Hey Trump people!! What happened?

Have to laugh at the anti-Trumpers claiming the negotiations are a failiure based on one North Korean official's statement.

North Korea has been a difficult problem since the end of the Korean War. It's going to take time to resolve it without going to war. Oh, it could be resolved in a few days if it came to war, but Trump would rather not see millions of North Koreans and possibly millions of South Koreans killed.

One thing can be certain. North Korea will not get the capability to hit the United States with intercontinental nuclear tipped missiles while Trump is president.