Brexit: Day 1 brings talk of EU unity with trade talks ahead

Sooner or later both the UK Government/EU negotiators will have to accept the inevitable political conclusion, that any “trade deal” is a fleckless endeavour.

It is delusionary to believe that “business” is a level playing field.

Striving to gain a competitive edge or win a contact is natures order of success. The UK Government has unequivocally stated that all EU imports will be subject to stringent customs procedures.

From environmental, climate change perspective, supply chain models and just in time inventory management is unsustainable.

It is totally unacceptable have a constant stream of freight traffic rumbling back and forth polluting towns and cities, cynically utilising major road arteries as warehousing.

EU, its commission, institutions, parliament have foolishly killed off any political, diplomatic or economic good will.

As predicted it will be the citizens, the peoples of Europe that will have to ultimately bear the brunt.

I am of the opinion that a significant proportion of the blame for the politically poisonous disunity within UK peoples, their families, up and down the country lies with the politicians, broadcasters and fake liberals.

Tony Blair, Peter Mandelson, Kenneth Clarke, Nicky Morgan, Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve, Vince Cable former commons speaker Bercow, Gina Miller. etc etc

All guilty of arrogance and outright hypocrisy, straight to the tower, there is a spike waiting for them all.

Free lunch?

There is no free lunch, UK tax payer contributed gross 2019/20 £13/14 Billion. (prior rebate).

CAP is an abomination to the environment and consumer.

Here a clue…. 37.2% in 2018 total EU budget went to protect the producer,s at the expense of the poorest members of EU communities.  

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/food-farming-fisheries/farming/documents/cap-expenditure-graph1_en.pdf

Must say that I am relieved that medicines are still available in the UK the day after Brexit. Oh and the that there are still flights between the UK and EU. Food is still available at the supermarket too!

Now there'll be people chiming in with "But that's not going to happen until after the trade talks have concluded! Just you wait! Food prices will skyrocket, thousands of companies will leave London and house prices will crash!"

It's interesting that the original prophecy of doom was projected for "the day after a leave vote". Then it became "the day after Brexit". Now it's "the real day after Brexit, which will be when the trade talks finish!"

Contrary to the globalist mantra, there is life outside the EU empire.

Contrary to the globalist mantra, there is life outside the EU empire.

Of course there's life outside the EU. Nobody's suggesting there isn't. There's also life outside the UK.

It's interesting that the original prophecy of doom was projected for "the day after a leave vote". Then it became "the day after Brexit". Now it's "the real day after Brexit, which will be when the trade talks finish!

Duh. Obviously, as the effects are not because of a simple name change but a real practical issue, which has still not occurred. Which is all one of the roots of the entire problem due to the idiots that cannot understand or articulate what "take back control" actually means, mainly due to the fact that it is meaning less.

Must say that I am relieved that medicines are still available in the UK the day after Brexit. Oh and the that there are still flights between the UK and EU. Food is still available at the supermarket too! 

Now there'll be people chiming in with "But that's not going to happen until after the trade talks have concluded! Just you wait! Food prices will skyrocket, thousands of companies will leave London and house prices will crash!"

Nothing has actually changed yet, the entire relationship is the same during the transition period except that the UK isno longer formally part of the EU.

I doubt that when the UK actually leaves everything will crash. They will avoid that now that hard Brexit isn’t an option. Instead the UK will just slowly get poorer over time as everything gets more expensive and everyone will be worse off. Not sure why that is a reason to gloat.

Must say that I am relieved that medicines are still available in the UK the day after Brexit. Oh and the that there are still flights between the UK and EU. Food is still available at the supermarket too!

Seriously? You mean the sky has not fallen? Are you saying all the doomsday scenarios that the remainers were so certain about did not happen? How is that possible? Here we were told that it is impossible for a nation to exist outside of Merkels/Maracons empire (as incidentally most of the word does, but never mind...)

Toasted, you avoided my question. You said the following before:

Northern Ireland, aka, the 6 counties, or even the occupied 6 counties is Ireland.

One entity, despite the partition.

It is up to the people of Ireland. The 32 counties.

So what would happen if the Republic of Ireland votes in favour of unification, but Northern Ireland votes in favour of remaining in the UK?

So what would happen if the Republic of Ireland votes in favour of unification, but Northern Ireland votes in favour of remaining in the UK?

Ireland will vote in favour of Unification. Ireland is one people, one country.

Foreign interference won't be tolerated, be it by agents of the British state or other means.

So even if Northern Ireland doesn't vote for unification in such a situation, it would happen anyway?

So even if Northern Ireland doesn't vote for unification in such a situation, it would happen anyway?

You can send your paras in to shoot our people again if you like but Ireland is one country.

Catholic, Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu. Republican and Unionist traditions. An inclusive 32 counties.

And thanks to the Brexiteers, we will be a nation once again. You facilitated this. Own it.

Toasted, I think you've made your position clear. You believe that Ireland must be united at all costs, regardless of what the people of Northern Ireland feel.

Toasted, I think you've made your position clear. You believe that Ireland must be united at all costs, regardless of what the people of Northern Ireland feel.

Your words, not mine. But we've come to expect it over generations from those who discriminated against the Irish, tried to erase the culture, the language, starve the people and deny us full nationhood.

It won't cost much to Unite Ireland. If it annoys a few King Billy flag wavers, so what?

The UK has proven how good it is at leaving things - if only it would leave Ireland.

It won't cost much to Unite Ireland. If it annoys a few King Billy flag wavers, so what?

That's the type of language that means you're willing to ignore the democratic, peaceful process to get what you want. That's the type of language which will lead to a return of The Troubles.

Again, you are going to create the problem.

It's not a case of a doomsday serrano

Oh gosh, don't encourage him ;-)

But already, the government is looking at what cuts it can make.

Yup several promises already broken since getting elected and British Steel up for sale.

Opinion pieces from Trump-hating globalist propaganda media. Newsweek, Atlantic, Forbes, Haaretz. Well, thanks for showing us what you read.

I find this attempt to poison speech by re-definining words insidous. So, we are not supposed to criticize globalist ideology any more, because the propaganda media are redefining it as "antisemitic". Seriously, you see no problem with this cheap rethorical trick?

I see right through the cowardice of the far right & will continue to call it out, even if it gets me suspended or banned.

And ignorance of the sources linked just goes to highlight your bias. A very serious subject, anti-Semitism needs to be addressed but no, of course, it has to be about whether or not someone likes Trump.

Trash talk always needs taking down.

“Never has France or the French people – or, I think it is fair to say, any European people – been driven by a desire for revenge or punishment,” he said.

How is it possible for an educated person like Macron to be so ignorant of history?

Wolfpack:

How is it possible for an educated person like Macron to be so ignorant of history?

Not sure if it is ignorace or just more deceit. Remember, he is a globalist puppet.

Alas, the roots of the corrupt EU empire go way back. Remember, already in 1952, Jean Monnet, one of the leftist French minds behind the European project: “Europe’s nations should be led towards a superstate, without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

But people were not paying attention.

Alas, the roots of the corrupt EU empire go way back. Remember, already in 1952, Jean Monnet, one of the leftist French minds behind the European project: “Europe’s nations should be led towards a superstate, without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.”

But people were not paying attention.

How horrible. If only we had known then Europe could have avoided all these years of peace and prosperity since 1952 and gone back to the good old days of the 1930s when everything worked completely great, before all this integration stuff ruined everything.

rainyday:

back to the good old days of the 1930s when everything worked completely great,

The slogan that the creation of an undemocratic, multinational EU empire is a recipe for peace is really getting old, sorry to say. I have call Godwin on that.

You mean the sky has not fallen?

The other side of that coin is that the women in the photo above are no more free than they were last week.

The slogan that the creation of an undemocratic, multinational EU empire is a recipe for peace is really getting old, sorry to say. I have call Godwin on that.

Yeah, its getting old because its been working so long. Thats actually a good thing.

Wipeout, any prediction/estimation/report put together by an anti-Brexit Theresa May cabinet, or any Conservative government for that matter does not a trustworthy document make.

About 15% of the doom prophecies will come to pass. A two-week iconvenience at most. The rest you can ignore. Food is not going to run out at the supermarket, thousands of companies will not leave London.

The sad thing is that when none this happens, all of the MPs, remainers and even some posters on this site will suddenly suffer from collective amnesia about the doom mongering. Won't be forgotten by everyone else, though.

When the honeymoon period rapidly shrivels up and the unicorns fail to fly in it's going to be painful to watch.

Doesn't that mean the NHS can now finally start getting all that extra money every week?

Brexit under any kind of agreement will have negative consequences, though those will vary depending on what's in the agreement. And the effects under an agreed withdrawal don't have to be instant.

That is a very different tune from the doomsday cacaphonia that we heard until now. Backpedalling rapidly?

Fact is, there is a whole world outside the EU, and generally it is doing better than Merkels empire with its artificial currency, bureacratic overreach, economic stagnation, massive Youth unemployment, and constant bailouts for the notoriously bankrupt Southern countries.

That is a very different tune from the doomsday cacaphonia that we heard until now. Backpedalling rapidly?

How many times does it have to be explained that the doomsday predictions were specifically about hard Brexit? I mean literally the post you quote explicitly states that. Question answered. No backpedaling involved.

Fact is, there is a whole world outside the EU, and generally it is doing better than Merkels empire with its artificial currency, bureacratic overreach, economic stagnation, massive Youth unemployment, and constant bailouts for the notoriously bankrupt Southern countries.

Yeah it would be pretty easy to write a similar selective list of "random bad stuff about the US" or any other country outside the EU and equally useless to the issue being discussed.

Yup, the UK can trade with anybody it wants. And yup, its going to be in a really weak bargaining position in its negotiations with the US, so if it wants to trade with them it'll have to give up about as much as it gave up to trade with the EU, albeit different things. Not sure how any of that justifies Brexit, if that is your point.

And of course its not like the UK has a lot of stuff the US wants to buy. Its whole economy is built around trade with the countries that are right next to it and not across the Atlantic, so they can't just snap their fingers and replace the 50% of UK exports going to the EU with a similar figure going to the US and other countries.

But the Americans have already made difficult demands.

Reconciling all these demands will be difficult because any attempt to meet U.S. demands by lowering British standards will push Britain further away from European rules. The EU has already made clear that the price of access to its markets is continued adherence to the bloc's regulations.

Wow, who didn't see that one coming

The US will take advantage of the weaker UK

When the honeymoon period rapidly shrivels up and the unicorns fail to fly in it's going to be painful to watch.

That's the spirit! LOL

No, the UK, as one of the major powers of the world, will make new trade deals and flourish.

The US will take advantage of the weaker UK

If it's anything like the U.S. "taking advantage" of Canada and Mexico, the UK should be OK.