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let me guess, if their past attitude is anything to go by, their "meaningful" contribution will no doubt be something along the lines of suggesting that everyone carry a gun at all times....

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Meaningless story since what the NRA cares about is just weapons, and while there's so many killing weapons available, another slaughter will happen, not if only when.

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“The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.”

As long as it doesn't hamper their abilities to stop any laws that might stem the flow of guns. Cue the useless "strengthen background checks" speech in 3...2...1....

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So WHAT is it that the NRA proposes doing to prevent these massacres from happening again?

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The NRA will do nothing. They will express their fake regrets whenever another mass murder happens.

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" There were an estimated 310 million non-military firearms in the United States as of 2009"

Are these privately owned, or does this figure include all weapons possessed by law enforcement members as well as unregistered guns in the possession of criminals?

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Ah guns! Drugs! $$$$$!! Sure NRA we believe that you will give up your guns, stop selling drugs and say sayonara to all that easy $$$$!! This is what it boils down to, they could give a rats ass about our human lives! Life is cheap in their NRA eyes! And we are all to blame for allowing these gun freaks do what ever they want! Mexico is being flooded by illegal guns and ammo from the USA and I'm sure the NRA really "feels the pain" of all the victims! Sure they will feel "pain" when some serious lawsuits go after the evil, greedy, pathetic NRA!

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Sure NRA we believe that you will give up your guns, stop selling drugs and say sayonara to all that easy $$$$!!

@ Elbuda Mexicano: The NRA is not in the business of selling drugs. Also, guns from Europe and China are being smuggled into Mexico as well as those coming from America.

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All the NRA will do is provide lip service and show false sadness. We have to wake up and address this issue NOW!

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We know how to prevent gun massacres... by people carrying more guns.

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No one wants to address the mental health issues in America; its just as important as gun control. Vitually all the mass killers were perpetrated by mentally unstable people. Over the last 2 decades states have closed most of their psychiatric facilities and turn patients loose with a hand full of pills. Basically society has a distain of institutionalizing people and they high cost has forced states to just turn them loose on society with many of them being ticking time bombs. Hollywood-types and politicians don't want to talk about mental health issues since its too complicated and frankly beyond their intelligence level.

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No one wants to address the mental health issues in America; its just as important as gun control.

Just curious how you came up with the idea that it is just as important as gun control. I would say gun control is quite a bit more important than the mental health question. Further, this sudden focus on mental health seems nothing more than an attempt at deflection by the pro-gun side.

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No one wants to address the mental health issues in America; its just as important as gun control. Vitually all the mass killers were perpetrated by mentally unstable people.

I tend to agree with this. Also, the Hollywood types want to dump it all on the NRA and their lobbying for gun ownership, yet they also don't want to talk about violence in movies and video games. Not saying that if you watch a movie it will "make you go do something bad" but if you do have people who are unbalanced, there may be something bad that comes out of it. Why is it that those big Hollywood types like to have body guards around them to keep the one weird fan away who thinks that they are somehow soulmates as was the case with Hinckley who was obssessed with Jodie Foster and tried to kill Pres. Regan. I understand you just can't stop making violent movies and there wil be loons out there, but just as people want to NRA to do something (which they have been doing) so should other groups.

I find it interesting, that Hollywood types like to make movies about the PTSD stressed out soldier who comes back from war and is a loner and very hostile (i.e. Rambo), yet they will be the same ones who say just playing a very violent first person shooter game or watching a movie doesn't have an affect on a young person. If soldiers can come back from battle, and they are mature men and women who have developed minds, can be diagnosed with PTSD, then wouldn't it be logically to think that younger people, who may have some mental issues can be easily swayed by violence seen in games and movies?

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Yeah, we all believe your sincerity, NRA. Let me guess... your solution is to make 'safer' guns? Arm all children?

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The NRA and the attitudes they encourage is nothing less than a modern day plague on America. 

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“As a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts,” the NRA said in a statement.

The NRA believe that a few days is enough to mourn do they? I have a feeling that the families will be mourning for a lot longer than that.

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Couple of incidents come to mind: 1) knife-wielding guy in NYC shot dead by police and 2) the guy who started eating that homeless person. All the news casts said they were crazy, and didn't say anything about addressing the bigger issue as I mention in my earlier post. When a crazy person kills people with a gun, immediately the focus is on gun control -- now that's what I call deflection. Remember, the gun laws in Connecticut worked; the Lanza went to a gun store with the intent to buy a gun but walked out when he was told there would be a background check.

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So the NRA, all of its guns, $$$$ have nothing to do with drugs?? Hahaha! Keep on dreaming!

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" Just curious how you came up with the idea that it is just as important as gun control. I would say gun control is quite a bit more important than the mental health question. Further, this sudden focus on mental health seems nothing more than an attempt at deflection by the pro-gun side."

It's much easier to demonize ONE organization as a convenient scapegoat rather than address the thorny issue of pathetic mental health care. Socialized medicine they call it.

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" wouldn't it be logically to think that younger people, who may have some mental issues can be easily swayed by violence seen in games and movies?"

Of course, that WOULD be logical, but doesn't feed into the media-orchestrated fear-mongering liberal paranoia. No, no, choose an easy scapegoat.

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So the gun nuts have clearly settled on their talking point: It is a mental health issue. Regardless of the fact that addressing this issue would require huge amounts of public money, something anathema to such people, it is a complete red herring.

Certainly, by definition, someone who commits a massacre is not all there - but many people are not all there and yet refrain from committing massacres. One might well as say that white males are the problem, for the fact is that the majority of massacres are committed by precisely that demographic, yet I do not hear the NRA coming down on white males (it might, of course, hurt their base).

Mental health care in America is an important issue but one completely separate from gun control. Do not confuse them.

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A “major” news conference was planned for Friday in Washington.

It will be interesting to see what the NRA proposes. Frankly, I am more inclined to believe they will confidently wait things out until the funerals and acute pain (by those not directly associated with the vicims' families) are over and the nation returns to the general feeling of apathy about this topic -- as it awaits the next massacre.

In retrospect, what would have prevented or at least lessened the carnage in this case? Some have alluded that Adam Lanza probably would not have been able to obtain his own weapons legally, based on a background check that he likely would have failed. If that is true, then it appears that that part of the system could be said to have been working.

And that leaves the question of the guns in his mother's possession. The mother was a very strong gun advocate who appears to have taken her mentally disturbed son to the target range on several occasions to teach him how to shoot. (Do gun advocates find anything wrong with that?) The son obviously knew where the guns and ammunition were stored and had access to them. (What law or "control" would have prevented that?) Since the gun enthusiast mother was killed with her own weapons -- making it possible for her mentally disturbed son to then go and wreak deadly havoc on innocent people -- something very serious is wrong with the system.

It would appear to me that a "better way" would be something more akin to what the Swiss do: careful screenings and inspections -- and removing guns to a locally-controlled storage locker in the case of potential dangers within the gun owner's family -- would likely do much towards preventing these kinds of tragedies.

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make my day, NRA... make my day.

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Couple of incidents come to mind: 1) knife-wielding guy in NYC shot dead by police and 2) the guy who started eating that homeless person.

And precisely because they were using respectively a knife and their bare teeth could they not possibly have gone on the same rampage that we just witnessed. If everybody had a nuclear arsenal the law of probability simply dictates that somebody would eventually nuke everybody else 'because they can do it'. Same with guns. It doesn't matter how many responsible gun owners are out there, just the fact that there will be irresponsible, criminal or angry ones presents a danger to the community at large, that the US is paying for dearly.

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Entirely correct, Yabits. I previously posted that gun owners should be held to the same standard as dog owners: If their gun or dog is not properly secured (and in the former case, this should be defined as a metal container with a lock) and causes damage even in the absence of the owner, the owner should be held accountable.

Ironic it is to see gun advocates demonizing violent entertainment! It is also false. Violence has always been part of entertainment, even before video games, even before movies. Bear baiting, jousting, gladiators - heck, public executions used to be the big show of the week! One might rightfully disdain violence as entertainment, but to pretend that it is a recent phenomenon - and thus somehow responsible for this tragedy - is bogus.

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NRA is supposed to come up with their solutions on this coming Friday. This is a good start. The common sense is now talking. I am speculating that NRA is willing to go for a total ban of Assualt Automatic Rifles.

Hope we can shut down all these manufacturing plants. These weapons do not belong here, and it got to be stopped. This movement against Assualt Automatic Rifles is spread pretty fast like fire among other states including mine. This is a tipping point and we are heading to the right direction.

An investment made by the California teachers pension fund is coming under scrutiny because of its link to the manufacturer of the assault rifle used in the Connecticut elementary school massacre.

The fund pledged to invest $500 million in the private equity firm Cerberus, owner of the gun-making conglomerate known as the Freedom Group.

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So the NRA, all of its guns, $$$$ have nothing to do with drugs?? Hahaha! Keep on dreaming!

I'm not getting the connection to the NRA and drugs. If anything, the rise of the drug violence in America between competing dealers and the resulting carnage in the streets has given the NRA all the PR it needs to people who are legally able to buy guns to go out and get them. Look at how the drug wars have wrecked damage to major and mid-major cities as well as in smaller areas. Not only do drug gangs shoot it out at each other, but you have the criminals who go around and rob people just to get money to buy drugs. That's where the gun sales have risen. Home invasions by goons looking for money and goods to buy drugs have made the sales of guns go up.

But as far as the NRA pushing drug usage and backing them, I don't think so.

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Yes, the NRA will make a meaningful contribution - from their cold, dead hands.

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So the ANTI-gun nuts have clearly settled on their talking point: It is NOT a mental health issue. Regardless of the fact that addressing this issue would require huge amounts of public money, something anathema to such people, it is a complete red herring.

Violent behavior is consistent with mass-murderers regardless of what means they are bent on using, whether it be ropes, bats, IEDs, drones, or whatever. A bombvest is also terribly efficient. The point is they have decided to perform such horrible acts in any way possible, ignoring any and all laws, regardless of consequence. Granted, such a person should not have access to any weapons, and the owner of weapons is responsible to keep them secure.

It's blissful ignorance to believe that media violence has no effect on young, impressionable and/or unstable minds. Characters such as Rambo are lionized, yet that should be ignored? Inherently violent people are drawn to such figures. The media also has culpability in the programming of young minds, as do parents, and the governments who parade heavily armed military and paramilitary goons as heroes.

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Remember, the gun laws in Connecticut worked;

Are you serious? You mean it's okay for someone to walk into a shop and buy assault weapons? What would the reason have been? "Uh, they're fer huntin' squirls..." or how about "They's ter keep me and ma idiot boy safe from them there Yoonited Nations terrorists...."

I can't think of a single reason why anyone would want or need an assault rifle.

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The point is they have decided to perform such horrible acts in any way possible

The point is that they've decided to do horrible things in the most efficient way possible, and in the US, that means a gun. There's a reason why they choose this method. They know they can get as many people as possible.

My prediction is that the NRA will focus on mental health and background checks. They will have to distract people from the fact that there are hundreds of millions of guns on the street. They also don't want people to think about other countries who have few guns and few gun deaths. They'll try to sell us on the notion that we just need to fix every mentally disturbed person in the country and we need to do it soon. They will probably also tell us the government needs to do it, the same government they distrust so much that they need closets full of lethal weapons just to protect themselves from.

Hopefully the pro-gun crowd will keep pushing video games and movies. It sounds so antiquated and erodes their credibility. People aren't going to look at 20 graves and think, "Halo 4." That talking point should go a long way in exposing their detachment from reality and makes them look like they'll make anything up as long as they can keep their guns.

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We'll see, we'll see . . .

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We had another shooting at Longmount-north of Denver today. Hope this is not getting a new norm in our life. Enough is enough.

Longmont, Colorado Shooting Leaves Four Dead In Suspected Murder Suicide

http://www.inquisitr.com/444181/longmont-colorado-shooting-leaves-four-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide/

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How?

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Translation, the NRA has lost this round (no pun). They will pretend to support a ban on assault guns but once a law is passed they will work to make sure that it is not enforced or gutted at some later point. Until 20 kids are murdered again with one of their weapons.

The NRA is a terrorist organization responsible for four times the deaths in the USA caused by OBL every year.

Regarding the mental heath issue, I agree with the republicans that yes indeed gun owners are in need of mental health services. All of them. In Japan gun owners take a mental stability test as part of the application to own a gun. US should do the same. Oh, and Nate Silver just posted that gun ownership is more linked to being a republican than any other factor. Gun ownership is super partisan thanks to, you guessed it, the NRA.

Top ten gun toting countries, USA thanks to the NRA is way out in front in ownership and of course also off the charts on gun deaths. Stat is guns per 100 citizens. Japan is way down the list at .6 per 100.

United States 88.8 Serbia 58.2 Yemen 54.8 Switzerland 45.7 Cyprus 36.4 Saudi Arabia 35 Iraq 34.2 Finland 32 Uruguay 31.8 Sweden 31.6

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Aside from gun ownership figures, there is also the gun crime figures (assault weapons are only 5% of all gun crimes). Most gun crime is committed with the trusty handgun, no need for high capacity magazines. Most gun crime takes place in the urban ghetto, where the marginalized minorities have been left to rot. These places already have strict gun laws. Now, while access to firearms can make gun crime easier, consider the case of Brazil, where gun ownership is minimal, yet murders committed with guns is several times higher than in the US.

Economics and healthcare will do more to stem the violence than a gun ban. Indeed, by addressing these issues, you might very well see gun ownership marginalized into a context more in tune with, say, Finland.

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All the news casts said they were crazy, and didn't say anything about addressing the bigger issue as I mention in my earlier post.

No. That's not true. The mentally deranged issue is discussed every single time. But the NRA that wants the right for each Joe to go around equipped like Rambo, and the people that want zero public health-care spending (which means no residential facilities, no care, no monitoring for people with mental issues, so they are let wandering, if not sleeping in the streets...), and the people that want zero public education spending and the right to brainwash their kids themselves (so they're homeschooled like Adam Lanza, they may learn to shoot while they are not taught the law of jungle is not valid in society)... they are not 3 groups, they are the same persons. And here you have the full set. The criminal he had the war gun + he was not treated or his health problems + he was not educated. Between the 3 files, the gun one is the one that could be improved the more easily, quickly and with no additional budget (restrict, ban...), so it's logical that people are more angry about to see this issue pending for so long.

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United States 88.8

Some people own dozens of rifles...but most none, or I have a wrong impression ? What % of Americans own fireguns, and what % don't own any ?

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I would say gun control is quite a bit more important than the mental health question. Further, this sudden focus on mental health seems nothing more than an attempt at deflection by the pro-gun side.

I think gun control and rhetoric around mental health are indicative of the same thing. Mentally healthy societies do not obsess to violence, or live in constant fear. The same cultural resistance to or suspicion of something like a public health care system as a kind of "socialist" conspiracy to usurp their individual rights originates from the same psychological place as this idea that people should have a "right" to own an assault rifle to protect themselves, their private property, etc.

Yes, less gun ownership is a part of the solution. But it's not really about guns or the second amendment. It's about a culture that looks to violence as a default solution to conflict. It's about a culture of fear and narcissism that has replaced its sense of empathy and community with self-entitlement and looking out for #1. Its a collective psychosis. If Americans can have this deeper discussion amongst themselves and attend to this wider cultural malaise, nobody will even want a gun.

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The more predictable approach would be to expect that the NRA will talk about committing big sums of money toward gun safety training and to "arm" schools so that they can defend themselves against these situations.

The surprising approach would be if the NRA admitted that there may need to be a way to prevent the mentally disturbed from owning guns but their proposal likely will be based upon a reliance of other systems and checks that don't exist so that it won't be possible.

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I am speculating that NRA is willing to go for a total ban of Assualt Automatic Rifles.

If they are not machine guns they are not assault rifles. Besides banning them because they can fire fast won't work because you can fire pump action and lever action at rates of over 100 rounds per minute.

For example this guy can fire a lever action at over 370 rounds per minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuKz8brpH0I

This guys fires the lever action at 300 rounds per minute flat using a lever action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOsQ9eDO3TE

This guy fires a pump action shotgun at just under or over 300 rounds per minute:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIxKAodkSVc

So the real question we have to ask ourselves is it really there fire rate or is it there magazine capacity that is the problem?

It will be interesting to see what the NRA proposes.

Agreed, I'm interested in what they have to offer on Friday.

In retrospect, what would have prevented or at least lessened the carnage in this case?

Probably a much more extensive background check on mental health along with a mental health and criminal background check on those that live in the same residence as the person buying the gun. But some of these require state laws to change.

For example in my state of Minnesota, I personally have a permit to carry a gun concealed or openly in public from the state of Minnesota, when you go to get a permit to carry the form asks you to disclose whether or not you have been court ordered to get a psychological or chemical dependency evaluation. So what is the problem? The problem is that private or voluntary hospitalization for mental health or chemical dependency is protected by state data-privacy laws and do not have to be disclosed on the permit to carry form and more incredibly law enforcement does not or is not allowed access to those records. That leaves a very big hole when it comes to background check on mental health.

There is also another thing that could be use to help prevent this and that is "smart gun technology."

The system is similar to "smart technology" already in use for things like cars, iPhones and security doors. A computer microchip measures the bio-metric details of the person attempting to activate the product. If the details match the rightful owner, the device is "enabled." If the details don't match, the device will not work or open.

This does exist for guns, if you have seen the movie Skyfall there is a scene where it shows Bond gripping the gun and the light changes from red to green allowing him to fire and then in another scene a criminal gets a hold of it but it doesn't fire when he squeezes the trigger because the bio-metric doesn't match. That isn't Hollywood, it is real. It has only been around for eight years or so. You could make it mandatory that all new guns come with this equipped that would help prevent accidental shootings where a child gets a hold of a gun and shoots themselves or another person, you can also make it so that more than one person can fire it, so for example you could make it so that just a mom and dad could fire it but no one else. It would also help prevent the stealing of firearms from being used in crime, even those that steal the guns to sell to a pawn shops or gun stores because they could just simply ask the person trying to sell the gun to discharge it at a gun range to prove that they are the owner if it doesn't fire then you know the person trying to sell it is not the owner.

This begs the question though with his mom, since his mom took him to gun ranges who is to say that if that technology was on the gun that she wouldn't have just added him to it.

**Finally I believe that this is something that you yabits and smithinjapan would find interesting to read:

Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide (this was published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy)**

http://www.garymauser.net/pdf/KatesMauserHJPP.pdf

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But it's not really about guns or the second amendment. It's about a culture that looks to violence as a default solution to conflict. It's about a culture of fear and narcissism that has replaced its sense of empathy and community with self-entitlement and looking out for #1.

This! Every dang word. This is what I have been saying is the problem with America and that is the fact Americans see violence as perfectly acceptable to resolve conflicts especially if they feel they have been disrespected! Look at how the US has used its military to resolve conflicts instead of going to the UN and or doing talks/negotiations with their adversary.

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Noliving,

If they are not machine guns they are not assault rifles. Besides banning them because they can fire fast won't work because you can fire pump action and lever action at rates of over 100 rounds per minute. For example this guy can fire a lever action at over 370 rounds per minute: This guys fires the lever action at 300 rounds per minute flat using a lever action: This guy fires a pump action shotgun at just under or over 300 rounds per minute:

I'm sorry but your links are worthless. You claim that these weapons can fire 300 rounds per minute. RUBBISH! They managed to fire 6 rounds ( in the case of e shotgun) in a couple of seconds yes. But then what happened? The rounds ran out and the gun needed to be reloaded. And that takes time so as for your claim of 300 rounds per minute is a joke. At best with the shot gun you would get off a handful of rounds and then need to reload. The lever actions are specially modified to shoot that fast. Try that with a standard lever action and you will get a jam. The other thing is the barrels and mechanisms are not designed for that rate of fire and will lead to jams as was witnessed in the shotgun video. S again your claim is pointless.

In retrospect, what would have prevented or at least lessened the carnage in this case?

Well that's easy. No public access to handguns, no public access to semi auto weapons, and no public access to weapons with a magazine of more than 6 rounds. Not to mention better testing and licensing and background checks, that would have lessened the carnage.

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I'm sorry but your links are worthless. You claim that these weapons can fire 300 rounds per minute. RUBBISH! They managed to fire 6 rounds ( in the case of e shotgun) in a couple of seconds yes. But then what happened? The rounds ran out and the gun needed to be reloaded. And that takes time so as for your claim of 300 rounds per minute is a joke.

Do you know how to calculate rounds per minute? Rounds per minute is the mechanical rate of fire, or how fast the weapon "cycles" (loads, locks, fires, unlocks, ejects). Measurement of the cyclic rate assumes that the weapon is being operated as fast as possible and does not consider operator tasks (magazine changes, aiming, etc.). When the trigger is squeezed, the rate at which rounds are fired is the cyclic rate. Typical cyclic rates of fire are 460–900 RPM for assault rifles, 1,000-1,100 RPM in some cases, 900-1,200 RPM for submachine guns and machine pistols, and 600-1,200 RPM for machine guns.

Again measurement of rounds per minute or rate of fire does not include magazine changes/reloading, aiming etc.

The lever actions are specially modified to shoot that fast.

No its not, you cannot qualify for world speed records with modified firearms. Deuce Stevens is engaging the trigger when the lever is closed.

Try that with a standard lever action and you will get a jam.

How has the gun been modified?

The other thing is the barrels and mechanisms are not designed for that rate of fire and will lead to jams as was witnessed in the shotgun video. S again your claim is pointless.

No kidding! All guns are like that, you honestly think an M16 can actually fire 900 rounds in one minute without jamming due to overheating? How about an AK? Do you honestly think an AK could actually get 600 rounds off in one minute without over heating? They can't they will overheat. You honestly think a Mac Sub-machine gun can actually fire 1200 rounds in one minute?

Do you think a MG-42 can actually fire 1200 rounds in one minute without jamming due to overheating?

What your talking about is the sustained or effective rate of fire I'm talking about its rate of fire or rounds per minute other wise known as cyclic fire.

Besides the point or argument about banning semi-automatic is that you can rapidly fire with them, that is why they want to completely ban them even with a 10 or a 5 round or a 2 round magazine. The guy with the shot gun was able to get 5-6 slugs off in one second.

You yourself said no public access to a semi-automatic weapon even if it has a magazine with 6 rounds or less. Why is that? Because it can rapidly fire those 6 rounds right?

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To further prove my point that rate of fire or rounds per minute does include operator tasks take this M4 being fired fully automatic. The M4 has a rate of fire of 750-900 rounds per minute. Tell me in this video the guy got off 750 rounds in one minute. He doesn't even come close. Rate of fire is based off of the cyclic rate not how much you can fire when including operator tasks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfm4pYhIyY

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To further prove my point that rate of fire or rounds per minute does include operator tasks take this M4 being fired fully automatic.

That should be does not include operator tasks.

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Noliving,

Do you know how to calculate rounds per minute?

Do you? When quoting the rounds per minute l think you where referring to the cyclic rate which does not take into account reloading the weapon. So l apologise your incorrect terminology was confusing. So yes the cyclic rate of the weapons you gave examples for is technically 300 rpm. However the sustained or effective rate of fire would in reality be much much lower. Minor details like reloads, jams caused by heat and high fire rates. The fact that shooting like they were would not allow you to hit much. So yes potentially any weapon has a high cyclical rate but its the effective rate that counts.

No its not, you cannot qualify for world speed records with modified firearms. Deuce Stevens is engaging the trigger when the lever is closed.

It actually states in the video that it is modified from a standard lever action. Maybe you should revisit your own link there....

How has the gun been modified?

Don't know, your link you find out....

No kidding! All guns are like that, you honestly think an M16 can actually fire 900 rounds in one minute without jamming due to overheating? How about an AK? Do you honestly think an AK could actually get 600 rounds off in one minute without over heating? They can't they will overheat. You honestly think a Mac Sub-machine gun can actually fire 1200 rounds in one minute?

Then why did you mention it and provide the lis then?

You yourself said no public access to a semi-automatic weapon even if it has a magazine with 6 rounds or less. Why is that? Because it can rapidly fire those 6 rounds right?

I actually said ban semi auto weapons and weapons with a mag of 6 rounds. This would include bolt action rifles with a magazine. Not as you suggest semi autos with a 6 round mag. I believe ALL semi autos should be banned as there is no need for them in civilian life simple as that

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Do you?

Obviously I do buddy.

It actually states in the video that it is modified from a standard lever action. Maybe you should revisit your own link there....

Not in the one where the guys is shooting 370 rounds a minute:

To qualify for these 'world record runs', the timer must be visible in the video. When you slow down the frame rate, the split time between shots averages around .1 second and is quite apparent. Even though the timer 'hides' the trigger, you can be sure it is his finger engaging the trigger each time the lever is closed.

The second one just says it is a custom made one, however though in the video you can clearly see him close the lever and engage the trigger. If you don't know how it is modified to make it shoot faster then how do you plan on proving your point? Custom made doesn't mean they modified the gun to shoot faster to begin with, it can simply just be using a different wooden stock.

The fact that shooting like they were would not allow you to hit much. So yes potentially any weapon has a high cyclical rate but its the effective rate that counts.

That is just as true with semi-automatics, rapidly firing basically eliminates any type of accuracy. while at same time quickly heat up or overheat the gun. Machine guns or machine gun mode is designed for suppresive or covering fire, it is not meant to kill. If you hope to have any type of accuracy with a machine gun you effectively need to do 3 round bursts. Agreed about the effective rate that counts in the end but the whole argument about banning semi-automatic is that you can shoot (cyclic rate) them too fast when in fact you shoot pump action and lever actions fast enough.

Quite frankly what determines the effective firing rate here, assuming everything else runs well or doesn't break down, is the reloading, is it using a detachable magazine or do you manually have to put each round into a tubular magazine or are you using speed loaders If you have a semi-automatic and you have to manually put each round into a magazine then you are going to be below 100 rounds in one minute. But if you are using a pump action, lever action, or a semi-automatic and you use speed loaders for a tubular magazine you can be easily pushing 100 rounds per minute for an effective rate of fire.

Don't know, your link you find out....

If you don't know then don't claim it. That is like saying someone is cheating and then saying you don't know how they cheated. Well if that is the case how can you claim they were cheating.....

I actually said ban semi auto weapons and weapons with a mag of 6 rounds. This would include bolt action rifles with a magazine. Not as you suggest semi autos with a 6 round mag. I believe ALL semi autos should be banned as there is no need for them in civilian life simple as that

Yes I know what you said, read what I said, what I'm asking in what you have quoted is why should a 6 round or less magazine semi-automatic gun be banned? Why? Considering how fast you can effectively shoot those 6 rounds with either a pump action or a lever action what benefit do you get from using a semi-automatic?

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Noliving,

Yes I know what you said, read what I said, what I'm asking in what you have quoted is why should a 6 round or less magazine semi-automatic gun be banned? Why? Considering how fast you can effectively shoot those 6 rounds with either a pump action or a lever action what benefit do you get from using a semi-automatic?

Obviously you don't know what l said as l said ban ALL semi autos. AND ban guns (bolt action etc) that have overb6 round mags.

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Obviously you don't know what l said as l said ban ALL semi autos. AND ban guns (bolt action etc) that have overb6 round mags.

Yes I do know what you said, I'm asking you why we should ban all semi-autos regardless of their magazine capacity. That is what I have been asking the entire time. Why is it ok to own a pump action, bolt action, lever action with a 6 round magazine or less but not ok to own any semi-automatic. That is my question. Stop dancing/dodging the question, just answer it.

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I asked "How" and I am still waiting for an answer.

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In a press conference, right now, the head of the NRA is shifting the blame for the school killings. He's also calling for armed guards at all schools?

Not less guns, but more guns, that's his answer!

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I am angry about the response from NRA today.

NRA is now recommending a law enforcement (police) at all public shcools in USA. How about private schools? How about churches? How about theaters? How about shopping centers? How about public buildings?

More guns is not the answer. We want all Assualt Automatic Weapons out from hands of citizens. We want to feel safe. This got to be stopped, PERIOD.

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@globalwatcher:

I am angry about the response from NRA today.

NRA is now recommending a law enforcement (police) at all public shcools in USA. How about private schools? How about churches? How about theaters? How about shopping centers? How about public buildings?

More guns is not the answer. We want all Assualt Automatic Weapons out from hands of citizens. We want to feel safe. This got to be stopped, PERIOD.

I agree. Either have strict gun control in the U.S. like some other countries do (like Japan & Singapore does), &/or ban guns from the U.S. completely.

Little to no guns = Little to no deaths.

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Something is terribly wrong with America when its soldiers are safer in the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, than civilians are in their own country. When over 24,100 Americans have been killed by gun violence over a two-year span (or roughly on average about 33-34 people each day), how can the NRA claim that more guns is the answer? More guns is NOT the answer.

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