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If Letitia James’ lawsuit succeeds, she will put the skids under the Trump crime syndicate in New York, and mark the start of the GGOAT's (Greatest Grifter of All Time) slippery slide down the gilded escalator to bankruptcy, disgrace and a custodial sentence as befits the most corrupt Potus in history.

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I noticed what was absent from any of Trump's raging - an actual defense of the crimes he's accused of.

I think we all know why he avoided that topic.

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I wish it was an arrest warrant, but, can't have everything in this world, I guess.

I can't believe that Mr. Trump has been telling lies all these years.

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The irony is, if she was white,

The left always call conservatives racist even if they’re not white.

The only response to that is:

How can you prove they are not racist?

And in case it went over your head, I'm using your own words from earlier in the thread against you.

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Remember how many of our right-wingers have claimed that being charged proves one is a criminal, as innocent people don't get charged?

Trump = criminal, by right-wing logic.

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Trump was the most corrupt president ever. Corrupt businessman with six bankruptcies. Misuse of his charity funds. Scam university. Misuse of his political donations. Trump's financial officer was found guilty.

"Allen Weisselberg, who for decades was one of Donald Trump's most trusted and loyal employees as chief financial officer of the Trump family business, pleaded guilty on Thursday to 15 counts ranging from grand larceny to tax fraud to falsifying business records, becoming the latest person close to the 45th president to plead guilty or be convicted at trial of a felony."

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Trump is accusing Letitia James of being “racist” for suing him. This racial profiling of rich privileged old white men by law enforcement has got to stop.

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this woman is desperate to find something to hit Trump with

And she found over 230 pages worth of it. It's all in the indictment.

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You mean James has no evidence of wrongdoing? I don't think she's that stupid.

Hmmm, we will have to disagree on that one.

Heh, Bass thinks that posting a link is an intellgent way to counter 200+ pages of evidence of crimes.

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Trump has also (again) called James a "racist".

It would seem that she is.

So ’racism’ is now a valid defense against law enforcement? What changed your mind?

“It would seem she is”?

Based on what exactly?

Is Alvin Bragg also racist?

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Trump's running out of people who haven't turned on him. It will be interesting to see if any of his kids turn on him with this new advancement.

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this woman is desperate to find something to hit Trump with

Legal cases require evidence of wrongdoing. James has plenty of evidence that Trump inflated his actual worth by billions of dollars.

Does Trump (or do you) have evidence to counter that claim?

--Trump has also (again) called James a "racist".

It would seem that she is.

Why would it seem that she is racist? Both you and your leader have made this accusation. Time to back that up with evidence.

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even Barr was skeptical of the allegations.

Fake news.

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Why would it seem that she is racist? 

How can you prove she is not racist. I can’t back that she is, you can’t back that she isn’t, but do I think and feel so? I do. I just hope that you’re not insinuating that minorities are immune to racism.

What!?

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So its Trump, or 1 of his 3 kids, or one of 2 other people, or one of 2 other companies that did it?

All of the above.

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all of this unfair treatment just helps Trump be even more of a martyr.

Is martyr a pc way of saying loser who is constantly whining about what a victim he is?

Doesn’t seem like much of a platform for re-election.

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Ok, so when Barr excoriates Trump to the liberals he’s a great American

I'm pretty sure the only people ever calling Barr a great American, are on the right. The left have only ever expressed disdain for him since he sold his soul to act as Trump's lapdog.

Sorry, did you not want me to point out how stupid your comment was, trying to attribute love of Barr to the left? My bad.

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Falsely declared the size of his Manhattan apartment to be 30,000 square feet when it was actually 11,000.

Falsely declared its value at $327 million, far higher than any apartment ever sold in NY.

Is this normal business behavior? Just like not paying your contractors or stealing from your own charity?

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Trump slept with Stormy Daniels, then his lawyer, Cohen, paid off Stormy to keep her mouth shut. Then Cohen got caught, and testified to Congress that Trump inflates his assets. The state of New York says 'oh, does he? Let's look into this', and this is the result.

Trump sleeping with a porn start was the first domino that tipped, that will eventually destroy his company.

Yikes.

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neither does James

You mean James has no evidence of wrongdoing? I don't think she's that stupid.

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Oh, and the 11th circuit just ruled for DOJ. 

Not a good day for the Donald.

PART of the investigation. We get it, tick, tick, tick for the Democrats.

Translation: I got nothing so pivot to the midterm elections.

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And the hits just keep on coming!

Breaking: Ginnie Thomas is going to appear before the 1/6 Committee.

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This AG should be fired immediately for being a financial burden on the citizens of New York

Do you think this will happen next year when Kevin McCarthy gets his gavel?

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Letitia James lands the first big blow. Fani Willis will put him on the ropes. Merrick Garland will deliver the knockout punch. A great day for the Rule of Law.

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You mean James has no evidence of wrongdoing? I don't think she's that stupid.

You'd be correct. She put forward over 200 pages of evidence of that wrongdoing.

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Stayed up late to watch the press conference.

James laid out the facts in a calm and dispassionate manner paying special attention to batting down two do tarde level lines of defense:

That these were standard huff and puff practices common to the real estate industry. They were not. Not even close.

That Trump didn't know. He did. In fact he was explicitly told that his valuations were inaccurate and ignored expert opinion.

If it were anyone else, it would be an open and shut case. "Is this your signature? Did you read the documents? Oh wait, the second part is irrelevant as ignorance is not a legal defense."

But James has him locked on. She's not going to miss. So she dotted the "I" and crossed the "T".

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If Trump was guilty of a crime, then James would have brought charges against him instead of a civil lawsuit.

Yes, I'm sure that line of thinking will make him feel better about life when he is never allowed to operate a business in New York again.

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the Attorney General is losing a re-election campaign, its a political stunt.

So donald committed fraud to help the AG win the reelection, interesting!!!

Does this stop Trump from running for President? Nope

Wonderful, him running for President while fighting bankruptcy is a Democratic dream!

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Is Mar A Lago really only worth 75 million dollars? Nope

Is that an opinion or do you have skills to appraise property?

Is high end real estate valuation subjective? Absolutely. 

ROFL, that’s a total lack of understanding of how real estate evaluation works. Just because you believe it’s worth something doesn’t mean it is!!!

Also donald claimed his NY property was 3 times bigger than it actually is, so is that too subjective?????

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Ok, so once again, she has nothing.

donald owes her $250 million that he doesn’t have!!!

ROFL.

How many more national secrets will be sell to get that money ????

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New York’s attorney general sued former President Donald Trump and his company Wednesday, alleging business fraud involving some of their most prized assets, including properties in Manhattan, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Should have been done 30 years ago like with Trump's fellow rentier billionaire oligarch, Leona Helmsley.

https://www.thegazette.com/letters-to-the-editor/only-little-people-pay-taxes/

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Alina Habba, an attorney for Trump, said the lawsuit “is neither focused on the facts nor the law — rather, it is solely focused on advancing the Attorney General’s political agenda.”

This has become the standard defense of the indefensible: vilify the investigators and the prosecutors. Trump has also (again) called James a "racist".

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Why would it seem that she is racist? Both you and your leader have made this accusation. Time to back that up with evidence.

The irony is, if she was white, they wouldn't have made that claim. So their whining of racism, is actually racist in and of itself.

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Oh, and the 11th circuit just ruled for DOJ.

Not a good day for the Donald.

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How can you prove she is not racist. I can’t back that she is, you can’t back that she isn’t, but do I think and feel so? I do.

This is the level of word salad bizarro logical rigor that passes for a "defense" amongst Trump supporters.

It solves to zero.

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Oh, and the 11th circuit just ruled for DOJ.

Not a good day for the Donald.

Ouch. The loser keeps on losing.

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Why would it seem that she is racist? 

How can you prove she is not racist. I can’t back that she is, you can’t back that she isn’t, but do I think and feel so? I do. I just hope that you’re not insinuating that minorities are immune to racism.

Are you auditioning for a spot on the Trump legal team? Cause that is some next-level logic twisting there.

This is the wrong venue though....

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Corporal cut and paste misses the mark again.

James has overwhelming evidence of crimes. She legally cannot pursue it herself. That's why she's referring.

Perhaps you need a sock-puppet explanation?

The future is unknown, but the civil and criminal liability that flows out of this is significant and you are the only one not to clue into it.

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That AG cant even tell us WHO did it.

Yes she can. 200+ pages outlining it.

Let's remember, your evaluation that she can't even tell us who did it, is the same person that has evaluated Trump to have actually won in 2020.

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A business padding their assets to get more out of a bank loan? Every business and individual whose has ever got a loan has done this.

And then turns around and understates their assets? Nope. That's illegal.

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As Bill Barr said the bank loans were all repaid,

He is a victim of this, Bill Barr even says so.

Even Bill Barr was saying this is just a political hit job 

Such admiration for Bill Barr - glad they also agree with him when he said;

“People say this was unprecedented, well, it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club, okay?”

“They jawboned for a year, they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, they then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that, they feel.”

But if Trump indeed “stood over scores of boxes, not really knowing what was in them and said, I hereby declassify everything in here that would be such an abuse and that shows such recklessness that it’s almost worse than taking the documents,” 

“The opinion, I think, was wrong, and I think the government should appeal it. It’s deeply flawed in a number of ways,”

"The fraud allegations were BS....he became detached from reality"....

They cite a guy that Trump said about; “he crumbled under pressure, and bowed to the Radical Left” and is now “groveling to the media, hoping to gain acceptance that he doesn’t deserve.”

Welcome to MAGA-world....

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When all one can do is to fixate (obsessively it seems) on a single aspect of a story - irrelevant declassification status or an imagined discrepancy in ones testimony that isn't for example - instead of the facts of the case, one really has nothing at all.

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Was it Trump? or his kids? or the others? or someone at one of the companies.

a. Trump

b. kids

c. others

d. someone at one of the companies

e. all of the above

The answer is (e) all of the above. With 98.9%-99.9% (a)

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If Trump had just “fudged” the numbers a bit, he could have argued that this was normal huff and puff (which isn’t really a thing when you’re the bank side.., but I digress…)

But like everything else he tries, he just sucks so bad at at, his ego gets the best of his limited judgment and cognition

But tripling the square footage of a pent house HE WAS LIVING IN.

Valuing it at 3 times it’s fair market value for a sum that, to this day, no other residential property has sold for even newer, bigger better penthouses

Over-estimated the value of 12 rent controlled apartments 66.67 times their actual value.

Over-stated the value of his club based on its cash flows by a factor of 10. (and then under-valued all of these properties for tax purposes.)

It’s like he was asking to get sued.

This is fraud pure and simple. It’s also highly suggestive of criminal tax evasion, bank fraud, wire fraud (basically any kind of fraud).

And. It’s. All. Documented.

No Kash to say “Oh, yeah sure. I saw that.” Nope, here documents and expert opinion will rule the field

(Que The Doors legendary acid ballad “This is the end.”)

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It would seem that she is.

The Klan Cult leader calling someone a racist?

What a joke.

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Letitia James is going for the throat. Unfortunately for don, he's got a lot of throat to go for.

Oh those pesky facts and documents. They're going to play poorly for him at trial.

The tripling of the square footage of HIS OWN MANSION. "If felt like 33k to me." yeah right.

The over valuing of properties above US GAAP by 5-10 times. Brand premium my ass.

The testimony of appraisers that they told him his valuations were neither accurate nor in line with standard practices.

HIS SIGNATURE ON THE TRUMP ORG TAX AND LOAN DOCS. Basically, "I certify under penalty of law that these numbers are true to the best of my knowledge. Donald J Trump" When he knows they weren't by a country mile.

"Is this your signature Don?"

James turned down multiple offers to settle from "The guy who never settles." (His words and 'except when he does' was omitted.)

James has a strong case. NY state isn't MAGA like

And so good luck with jury nullification, Don.

This is the end of Trump org. The fines alone will probably break the camel's back. The black listing of it for loans or deals surly will.

And James referred Trump and his idiot grifters children to both the IRS (MOTTO: we don't like tax cheats) and SDNY (ACTUAL MOTTO: if it occurred on planet earth, its our jurisdiction.) for criminal prosecution.

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When you're arguing "You can't prove a black woman isn't racist", you've REALLY got nothing.

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I’m not going to take anything seriously said by someone who believes 45 won the 2020 election.

Such a belief disqualifies anyone from logical and serious debate.

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I like the part about how his defenders cannot tell the difference between civil litigation, which this is, and criminal indictment, which this is not YET, but may well become.

You'd think with as much at stake, they could be bothered to know the difference.

Go figure.

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This AG should be fired immediately for being a financial burden on the citizens of New York

I dunno, she's got Don on the hook for $250 million plus penalties PLUS the liquidation value of his assets when Trump org blessedly goes away.

Sounds like she's paying her salary in spades.

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glad they also agree with him when he said;

no “they” don’t. So you agree with Barr today too?

I didn't cite him - you did...so you must think he's a credible source, right?

So you must therefore also think his comments saying Trump is lying WRT his fraud claim and that he is "detached from reality"....

Got it - keep citing him as an expert.....ROFL....

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Well, now we know what Trump and his crack legal team's defense will be in this suit....

"I can raise and lower the appraisals on my properties 1,000% just by thinking about it"....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-i-could-declassify-documents-by-thinking-about-it/ar-AA126nUo?cvid=1e0efde0ebd642c69c172e1bd971538d

It just keeps getting better by the day....ROFL...

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Falsely declared the size of his Manhattan apartment to be 30,000 square feet when it was actually 11,000.

Falsely declared its value at $327 million, far higher than any apartment ever sold in NY.

Is this normal business behavior? Just like not paying your contractors or stealing from your own charity?

Careful now, they'll brand you as a racist for asking that (unless you're white).

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Attorney General Letitia James’ lawsuit, filed in state court in New York, is the culmination of the Democrat’s three-year civil investigation of Trump and the Trump Organization. Trump’s three eldest children, Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump, were also named as defendants, along with two longtime company executives, Allen Weisselberg and Jeffrey McConney.

Fantastic! Get them all in the dock. Weisselberg has already pleaded guilty, and will testify at this trial...just wait until Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka start turning on one another...or team up and all blame the patriarch...

James said Trump “falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars.”

Just like Bannon said; “This is where it isn’t a witch hunt—even for the hard-core, this is where he turns into just a crooked business guy, and one worth $50m instead of $10bn,” Bannon is quoted as saying. “Not the billionaire he said he was, just another scumbag.”  BINGO Steve...

“This investigation revealed that Donald Trump engaged in years of illegal conduct to inflate his net worth, to deceive banks and the people of the great state of New York," James said at the news conference. “Claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. It’s the art of the steal.”

And the scams continues to this day with his Defend The Election fund that paid for Melania's fashion coordinator...

Trump still holds the "Trump Card" though - he has Crazy Rudy on his legal team...

'Is your client guilty? No your honor. Did he commit the fraud he is accused of? Of course he did".....

ROFL...

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11th Circuit ruled the DOJ can continue using the 100 classified documents.

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I can hear Treason Barbie screaming from here. "DADDYYYYYYYYY! Make it go away! Its hurting my brand!"

Freddo 1: that's ok, we get all the money we need from Russia.

Fred do 2: Huh? I was in Trump org? Cool! Dad loves me after all!

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If Trump was guilty of a crime, then James would have brought charges against him instead of a civil lawsuit.

If you had read the article, you would know that in this case, James' office was limited to civil filings. Thus the referral.

If she could have brought a criminal case herself, I assure you she would have.

Nothing about a referral lessens Trump's potential criminal liability.

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nearly half of Americans (which you arent part of) also believe this and 60%+ of Republicans, its not the "gotcha" you think it is.

That means less than half of Americans agree with you, and the number of people believing something doesn't make it true. The notion that Trump won the election is absurd and unfounded.

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Lock him up!

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What would Trump look like without lawsuits hanging all over his suit??

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Do you think this will happen next year when Kevin McCarthy gets his gavel?

He’s got bigger fish to fry and that’s slowing Biden’s disastrous agenda, the people of NYC will decide James fate

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If you had read the article, you would know that in this case, James' office was limited to civil filings. Thus the referral.

Ok, so once again, she has nothing.

If she could have brought a criminal case herself, I assure you she would have.

I would not disagree with that, but she can’t and never will be able to.

Nothing about a referral lessens Trump's potential criminal liability.

Doesn't increase it either.

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You mean James has no evidence of wrongdoing? I don't think she's that stupid.

Hmmm, we will have to disagree on that one.

https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2021/05/19/watch-letitia-james-new-yorks-ag-has-history-of-threatening-former-president/

Thank God she’s trailing in her re-election polls

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Heh, Bass thinks that posting a link is an intellgent way to counter 200+ pages of evidence of crimes.

Feel much better now.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6312672026112

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Is martyr a pc way of saying loser who is constantly whining about what a victim he is?

He is a victim of this, Bill Barr even says so.

the Attorney General is losing a re-election campaign, its a political stunt.

her entire campaign was and is based on "getting Trump".

Does this stop Trump from running for President? Nope

Does it stop him from being Speaker of the House if he wants to be? Nope

Does anyone go to jail over a civil case? Nope

Is Mar A Lago really only worth 75 million dollars? Nope

Is high end real estate valuation subjective? Absolutely.

Good luck proving all this against not only Trump- but all 3 of his kids?

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That AG cant even tell us WHO did it.

Was it Trump? or his kids? or the others? or someone at one of the companies.

As Bill Barr said the bank loans were all repaid, so who is the victim of the supposed crime here?

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A business padding their assets to get more out of a bank loan? Every business and individual whose has ever got a loan has done this. That's how the banking system works here. The banks will even recommend things in gray areas just to close a loan. This AG should be fired immediately for being a financial burden on the citizens of New York, but she won’t, so let her chase more rabbits down holes, I think it’s funny.

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New York’s attorney general sued former President Donald Trump and his company Wednesday, alleging business fraud involving some of their most prized assets, including properties in Manhattan, Chicago and Washington, D.C.

Nobody should be surprised at a witch hunt expanding to other States.

Makes one wonder though about how elections are/will be held . . .

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they dont even know what was supposedly done or who did it.

they keep flip flopping between he overstated the amounts to appear rich and he understated the amounts to avoid tax.

So its Trump, or 1 of his 3 kids, or one of 2 other people, or one of 2 other companies that did it? they dont even know.

a civil lawsuit which has a lower burden of proof in front of a friendly liberal jury.

5 weeks before a midterm election.

all of this unfair treatment just helps Trump be even more of a martyr.

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Isnt value subjective?

I sold a house “valued” at 720k for 1.1 million once. Location location.

yep those walls are really closing in if that’s all they have is “experts” that disagree with others. got him this time!

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The irony is, if she was white,

The left always call conservatives racist even if they’re not white.

they wouldn't have made that claim. So their whining of racism, is actually racist in and of itself.

That goes both ways.

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Oh, and the 11th circuit just ruled for DOJ. 

Not a good day for the Donald.

PART of the investigation. We get it, tick, tick, tick for the Democrats.

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donald owes her $250 million that he doesn’t have!!!

How would you know what he has or doesn’t have, get real.

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Readers, please don't be so obsessed with this story. If you have already posted comments here, the please take a break for two hours.

Legal cases require evidence of wrongdoing.

We have heard this God knows how many times, and each time these people continue to get their ducks in a row. This woman is desperate and she knows the chances of being successful in this civil lawsuit is less than zero.

James has plenty of evidence that Trump inflated his actual worth by billions of dollars.

ROFL! Legal cases require evidence of wrongdoing. James has plenty of evidence that Trump inflated his actual worth by billions of dollars.

Does Trump (or do you) have evidence to counter that claim?

No, neither does James, even Barr was skeptical of the allegations.

Why would it seem that she is racist?

How can you prove she is not racist. I can’t back that she is, you can’t back that she isn’t, but do I think and feel so? I do. I just hope that you’re not insinuating that minorities are immune to racism.

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This has become the standard defense of the indefensible: vilify the investigators and the prosecutors. Trump has also (again) called James a "racist".

It would seem that she is. Even Bill Barr was saying this is just a political hit job pure and simple, now this woman is desperate to find something to hit Trump with so she’s just trying to implicate and go after everyone, probably Barron as well. This suit like the others won’t go anywhere… again.

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