Obama ad again links McCain to Bush

WhiteHawk,

There is indeed more to campaigns than just TV ads. But what you said was that McCain says positive things all the time.

Now I believe you must have meant that colloquially where we are to understand that you don't mean all the time, but instead frequently. I have pointed out one statistic that shows McCain being more negative than Obama. You have rightly said that there is more to campaigning than TV. But I can't see where you have supported the notion that McCain is not negative compared to Obama.

The Nation magazine, in an open letter to the naked emperor-would be, has warned Obama about his campaign. I'm guessing that is why he is going negative.

"...Since your historic victory in the primary, there have been troubling signs that you are moving away from the core commitments shared by many who have supported your campaign, toward a more cautious and centrist stance--including, most notably, your vote for the FISA legislation granting telecom companies immunity from prosecution for illegal wiretapping, which angered and dismayed so many of your supporters."

Signers include: Barbara Ehrenreich, Tom Hayden, Eric Foner, Studs Terkel, Katrina vanden Heuvel, Gore Vidal, Howard Zinn,Juan Cole, and various other sentimental Lefties.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080818/open_letter

SezWho2, there is a lot more to campaigning than TV ads, and I was not limiting McCain's comments to those.

How can Obama link McCain to Bush when Obama is getting more money from Exxon and Mobil than is McCain?

Yup. Read, weep, gnash teeth, wave hands in the other guy's face, change subject...

"Much has been made of Barack Obama's TV ad this week that accuses John McCain of being "in the pocket" of the oil industry, and yesterday the Democratic Party launched a website pairing McCain and Exxon Mobil as running-mates. While McCain has raised considerably more money from this unpopular industry, CRP was surprised to notice that it's actually Obama who has received more from the pockets of employees at several of Big Oil's biggest and most recognizable companies. Tallying contributions by employees in the industry and their families, we found that Exxon, Chevron and BP have all contributed more money to Obama than to McCain.

Through June, Exxon employees have given Obama $42,100 to McCain's $35,166. Chevron favors Obama $35,157 to $28,500, and Obama edges out McCain with BP $16,046 vs. $11,500. "

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/oil-industry-leans-toward-mcca.html

WhiteHawk,

It's not true that McCain says positive things about his campaign all the time.

The Wisconsin Advertising Project, for example, found that 90% of Obama's add's were "positive" and did not mention McCain at all. They compare that with the 1/3 of McCain's ads which were negative and predominated in insinuation and innuendo against Obama.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/07/30/mccains-political-ads-go-negative-against-obama.html

"The 'leaked' pictures of Sen. Obama in tribal dress were a treat."

Yeah, they were! Hee hee!

NeilArmstrong - Shame Obama flip flops and uses underhand tactics.

Please explain the underhanded tactics.

They both have done their fair share of flip-flopping. < :-)

SezWho2:

The negativity of McCain's campaign is not determined by whether or not McCain can find positive things to say about Obama. It is determined by McCain's lack of attention to positive things about his own plans and programs.

McCain says positive things about his plans and programs all the time. But most of the media is too busy fawning over Obama to report it.

smithinjapan:

A stupid answer to a very honest and important question.

There is nothing positive of substance to say about Obama. Period. Again, he has no experience, no substance, no honesty, and no knowledge.

Look at his entire campaign... name ONE pledge he's made that isn't a reversal to what he promised previously, or a flip-flop from a senator under the Bush regime. Name one!

Fighting the war on terror. Wow, that was easy.

McCain was against drilling in offshore areas and ANWR when oil was $20/barrel, but is for it when oil is $120/barrel. Is that your idea of a flip-flop?

Obama was against it when oil was $120/barrel, but is for it when oil is $120/barrel. Can you spot the difference?

undecidedabout08:

You didn't follow the Republican primaries. You look ridiculous.

Bingo. What smithinjapan has so quickly forgotten is that McCain got the lead in "blue" states which held open primaries (Democrats could vote in the GOP primary), before the majority of conservatives in the "red" states got a chance to vote. Fred Thompson, as a reminder, dropped out before his home state of Tennessee held its primary.

And for the record, Duncan Hunter was "my" guy. Once he dropped out, it was Romney. I liked Thompson too, but I knew only my fellow Tennesseans would remember him as anything other than an actor. McCain is our hold-the-nose-and-vote candidate. He's only been a consistent conservative on a few major issues: Defending the country (and the world) from Islamic terrorism, cutting unnecessary spending from the federal budget, supporting the death penalty, and energy independence. Other than that, there's not much difference between him and Obama, so I don't understand the opposition the left has against McCain. You want open borders or amnesty for illegal aliens? McCain has oily-slick, MS13-apologist Juan Hernandez as his "Hispanic outreach director", so it's likely. You think the Fairness Doctrine was a good idea? Well, right-wing talk radio has rarely been McCain's friend, so don't expect much opposition from the man who co-wrote the other great restriction on free speech, McCain-Feingold. McCain was the liberals' pick during the primaries, after all.

Same for Bush, really. He didn't do a single thing to reduce the number of people on welfare, and he gave us our biggest step towards socialized medicine since FDR. Nor did has he done much to prevent illegal alien nannies, housekeepers and landscapers from finding jobs in the mansions of limosine liberals from D.C. to Malibu. He's a moderate, so what's with all the Hitler comparisons and neocon this and neocon that?

Obama is making schoolwork, studying, and showing your braininess cool. That's good for the kids, people.

Credit to Obama there. He's had the audacity ;) to tell young blacks they need to help themselves and get in the game. No wonder Jesse Jackson wanted to rip his... man, it hurts even thinking about typing it. Of course, that's been the message Republicans have been sending for years, but when it comes from them, it's attacked as "racism", and when Obama says it, it's heralded as "responsibility". With such a bigoted perspective, any legitimate discussion of issues or politics is impossible.

Obama ad again links McCain to Bush

If history is anything to go by this election should be a cakewalk for the Dems. That Obama and the Rove-like Mr Axelrod have to resort to ads like this must mean they are getting desperate. Media coverage is overwhelmingly in Obama's favor and yet he is taking the low road.

What happened to all that hope, all that change...

McCain 2008!

God bless America!!

Obama going negative because he is stalling in the polls...

I find it funny that linking McCain with Bush is "going negative." True, but funny nonetheless.

"John McCain campaigns in a very fair and clean manner"

Heh, yeah the "leaked" pictures of Sen. Obama in tribal dress were a treat. So was the comparision to Brittney Spears.

skipthesong

John McCain campaigns in a very fair and clean manner. He does not use insults or jibes. Shame Obama flip flops and uses underhand tactics.

So much for the clean campaign that both of them pledged." Compared the Obama-Clinton campaign, this is very clean!

So much for the clean campaign that both of them pledged.

Agreed.

ChimpsAhead, unfortunately Bush and McCain have not been and will not be good presidents.

That's fact, no matter what Fox News says :-)

Word has it Obama may name Indiana senator Evan Bayh as his running mate. Well, here's what we know about Evan Bayh - he was going to run for president, and he dropped out after getting less than 2% of the vote. He was actually losing to low-fat milk.

LIBERTAS

Haha. I do not take substances to make my decisions, i based on facts. Bush and McCain are both good statesman and businessmen,.

"Why would 4 more years of Bush styled rule be a bd thing. Our economy is growing, the stockmarket is doing great and McCain is the businessmans choice. McCain will continue the war on terror and continue to make us the safest country on the planet."

You'd better be careful ChimpsAhead. There was a guy arrested for growing that stuff on his balcony earlier this week!

Why would 4 more years of Bush styled rule be a bd thing. Our economy is growing, the stockmarket is doing great and McCain is the businessmans choice.

McCain will continue the war on terror and continue to make us the safest country on the planet.

"He ( Obama ) wants to drill"

He doesn't want to drill, he wants America to consume less oil, even though there is no substitute for oil in the foreseeable future.

I can only imagine how Sen. Obama linking Sen. McCain to bush must confuse the more die-hard neo-cons.

What's a neo-con?

Obama is a liberal? He agreed to immunity for the telecoms, didn't he? He's pro-FISA, pro 2nd Amendment, pro- "occupation", pro - financing for the war.He wants to drill offshore...

There are things about Obama I really like. Checking Instapundit, one of the many horrible right wing blogs I peruse, I find that host Glenn Reynolds - worked on the first Clinton campaign - had this up today:

Obama is making schoolwork, studying, and showing your braininess cool. That's good for the kids, people.

I can only imagine how Sen. Obama linking Sen. McCain to bush must confuse the more die-hard neo-cons. They must disagree with everything Sen. Obama says. He is, after all, liberal and his middle name is "Hussein," as we have been told ad-nauseum by our own neo-cons here at JT. On the other hand, Sen. Obama's criticism (the thing all neo-cons are supposed to hate) is that Sen. McCain is too much like the dear leader. Wait a minute, how is that a bad thing? How can neo-cons tell anyone that linking Sen. McCain to bush is "going negative" and then turn around and say that bush has been a great president?

Oh...Obama, you dog, you! You've made a lot of tiny heads explode.

Taka

Sorry, Whitehawk, but your lame attempt at spinning the question would only be missed by those blindly wishing Bush COULD continue for another term, and as such would welcome a continuance via McCain.

You didn't follow the Republican primaries. You look ridiculous.

Whitehawk: "Answer: Because there is nothing positive of substance to say about Obama."

A stupid answer to a very honest and important question. Let's say then, even in your mind, if there WERE good things about Obama to say, you're ultimately stating that McCain would not be negative, but would only be expressing the positive values of his opponent? That would be a pretty suicidal campaign, even by McCain's means! You're saying McCain would say something like:

McCain: "My opponent Senator Obama would make a GREAT president! His policies are spot on and he'll do a hell of a lot better than me".

Sorry, Whitehawk, but your lame attempt at spinning the question would only be missed by those blindly wishing Bush COULD continue for another term, and as such would welcome a continuance via McCain.

No, the real answer to the question is because McCain has nothing positive of substance to say about HIMSELF! Look at his entire campaign... name ONE pledge he's made that isn't a reversal to what he promised previously, or a flip-flop from a senator under the Bush regime. Name one! Beyond such flip-flops, McCain's ENTIRE campaign is defined by how 'bad' Obama is... he has nothing positive to say about himself at all. It's EXACLTY the same politics Bush used when running against McCain for the presidential nomination way back when, and why (flip-flop) McCain VOWED he would not use negative politics in HIS campaign.... hahahaha!

Nice try, Whitehawk, but no cigar... not even close.

So much for the clean campaign that both of them pledged.

So much for that terrible guilt by association stuff that Obama was so mad about before. Reverand Wright anyone?

A Vote for McCain is a Vote For the Terrorists.

That's funny.

Your desperation, I mean.

But I don't think Camp Obama would be laughing.The word terrorist has them a little nervous at the moment. Seems Obama's 'Muslim Outreach' coordinator has had to resign because it was discovered that he once worked for a group with direct ties to Hamas.

Sure is getting ugly under that bus.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121797906741214995.html

WhiteHawk,

The negativity of McCain's campaign is not determined by whether or not McCain can find positive things to say about Obama. It is determined by McCain's lack of attention to positive things about his own plans and programs.

undecidedbout08,

"No place for a rookie." Yes, that's what Hillary thought.

McCain is out of the same mold as Bush - just look at their foreign policies - McCain may sa well just copied and pasted Bush's foreign policy from 2004 :-)

A Vote for McCain is a Vote For the Terrorists.

can't extend past soundbites, talking points, and accusing anybody who counters them of being a racist." I feel that is very true. But, Obama linking McCain to Bush is also very true!

Of course, the real fun isn't linking McCain to Bush, or even Obama to Carter.

It's linking Obama to McCain, and then to Bush. Heads explode! :D

adaydream:

undecidedbout08 - Taking your comment at face value, why has John McCain been negative all along? < :-)

Mind if I jump in?

Answer: Because there is nothing positive of substance to say about Obama. In fact, Obama is such a terrible choice for president (no experience, no substance, no honesty, no knowledge), the fact that a sizeable percentage of Americans aren't smart enough to see through him is downright frightening, much less disappointing. It's an indication that decades of government schools and vegetating in front of the "idiot box" have reduced many Americans to apathetic, shallow zombies, whose grasp of politics can't extend past soundbites, talking points, and accusing anybody who counters them of being a racist.

Satisfied now?

decided,

Obama is stalling in the polls?

Not so much.

Am I the only one to notice that our resident neo-cons, who normally scoff at polls are now trying to show that McCain is making a race of this? Don't believe it. Neo-cons and truth are two lines destined never to intersect.

Ask yourselves folks, how do we decide who is president in the United States? Electoral college leap to anyone else's mind?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/

BAM!

Welcome back to reality.

Taka

undecidedbout08 - Taking your comment at face value, why has John McCain been negative all along?

No answer, huh? McCain's just a jerk I guess. < :-)

Obama going on attack because you can't let trash talk go unanswered...

National politics. No place for a rookie, eh. At this rate Obama will need Rev. Wright back in his corner...

Obama going on attack because you can't let trash talk go unanswered...

undecidedbout08 - Taking your comment at face value, why has John McCain been negative all along? < :-)

What's this? Obama resorting to 'politics as usual'?!? That's going to tarnish his image, that's for sure. No doubt, the more voters are exposed to Obama and the fact that he is an empty suit in the same league as John Edwards, the more they will turn to McCain.

Obama going negative because he is stalling in the polls...

McSame

bush and McCain are linked at the waist. < :-)