Obama calls for new beginning between U.S., Muslims

This is just empty words from Obama. Other empty words from Obama are words like, Yes we can, Change we can believe in etc etc. So far Obama has more or less been parroting the same words as every American leader has including Bush . Obama needs to put an end to the term. A war on terror. Stop supporting the opium trade in Afghanistan. Taliban was able to do something which US could not and that was to decrease the amount of heroin being sold, once US goes into Afghanistan the drug trade flourishes. Admit a simple fact that bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11 and pressure Israel to respect international law and stop supporting violations to internationa law and demand an apology from Israel for praising 9/11 as Nethanyahu did or atleast freeze the aid. If Obama could come to terms with this reality everyone knows that he will be found dead in an "accidental" car crash or what not so the theatre continues with more empty words and no action and manipulating the public in believing that there will be a change.

Actually, septemberwhowhe, it is your words that are empty -- empty of any real knowledge, truth, or understanding.

Your ramblings make very little sense, but that is typical of those who are anti-Obama.

Yabits. Your words are empty of any real knowledge, truth, or understanding, but then thats typical of those who support Obama. They can't view the objectively. Can't see when he makes a mistake, because by very definition, he can't make mistakes.

Key thing to note:

The White House said Obama’s speech contained no new policy proposals on the Middle East

So yea, pretty much vague, empty words.

"Obama needs to put an end to the term. A war on terror."

He did.

"Stop supporting the opium trade in Afghanistan."

The US removing the Taliban, thus removing Talian-imposed restrictions on drug trafficking is not the same thing as supporting the opium trade. It was a trade-off: Leave the people to the primative, oppressive whims of a warped and brutal interpretation of the Koran, including the complete subjegation of women, or risk an explosion of the drug trade. Can you easily make the decision as to which is more important?

"Admit a simple fact that bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11 . . . "

Then perhaps you should tell bin Laden that he didn't do it, because he seems to believe he did.

"pressure Israel to respect international law and stop supporting violations to internationa law . . . "

The US does, as does the rest of the international community. Unless of course, you'd prefer the US use military force to make Israel comply? But then that would make you critical of the US yet again for acting as the world's policeman.

"If Obama could come to terms with this reality everyone knows that he will be found dead in an "accidental" car crash . . ."

Annnnnnd that's about the part where we ask the guests to leave, lock the doors, and turn off the lights. You are delusional.

Actually yabits when coming with criticism of an opinion you should come with reasons. The conflict is not going any where. And a big reason to why there will be no peace is not because of Hamas, not because of Hezbollah, not because of this or that but because of USA. USA does not want to accept democracy, they support dictators, have one set of rules towards some and another set of rules to an another. Their hypocritical non democratic stance is a reason to why there is a conflict in the Middle East and this is costing the average hard working American a lot of money. Not to mention lives. The Israel/Palestine conflict was mentioned as a reason to 9/11.

Either US should support democracies or not and not pretend to be supporting democracies when they don't. If you support dictators who are against democracies then it becomes hypocritical of Obama to say that he supports democracies. It is double talk. Meaning less empty words. It would make US look more credible if they actually did what they said.

Because US is run by Christian fundamentalists and because AIPAC is one of the strongest lobby groups in US, any criticism towards Israel will mean political suicide. Sharon used to say, We Jews own US and the Americans know it. Looking at Obama in Egypt sucking up to a dictator and a puppet makes me wonder, perhaps Sharon is right after all.

" “Islam is not part of the problem in combatting violent extremism — it is an important part of promoting peace,” he said. “Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, and recognize Israel’s right to exist,” "

What total idiocy! If Hamas did all that, it would not be Hamas any more, of course. And by the way, who else has a problem with the existance of the Jewish state, except muslims?

I also wonder what koranic sura he quoted. Don´t tell us it is one of the mekkan abrogated ones...

Refreshing to see this U.S. president actually making an effort to repair the immense damage caused by the last one.

Interesting, too, to see the detractors of the current president so eager to tear him down, while the president is trying to build America up.

It makes me wonder - whose side are Obama's American detractors really on? Are they Americans In Name Only? It sure looks that way.

To quote Yabits on another thread - "We can anticipate that the haters in the US will pan the speech just as the Islamic extremists will. Because both factions simply hate the thought of genuine peace and respect amongst peoples."

Well said.

I'm think I'm going to be sick. This man thinks he the darn Messiah or something?

Sailwind, is your president calling for peace a bit too much for you to handle?

Sorry about that.....

Sorry too, that the previous president you supported screwed up the ME so badly that this president now found he needed to go in and try to start fixing up the collossal damage wrought by your man Bush.

Sorry about that.

Why is it that EVERY move President Obama makes is slammed by the Extreme Minority Right?

The guy is making a genuine attempt to rebuild the image and reputation of America that was driven through the mud by the last president.

But hey, the Extreme Minority Right have a problem with a leader who wants to do something positive for America.

What's with that?

Sushi

Sorry also that Bush isn't even mentioned in the article. I do suggest you might seek some therapy to get on with with your life after 'Bush', it isn't healthy on your part anymore.

"The Israel/Palestine conflict was mentioned as a reason to 9/11" whatever is fine to recruit.

"The White House said Obama’s speech contained no new policy proposals on the Middle East" better say nothing than false promises.

"And by the way, who else has a problem with the existance of the Jewish state, except muslims?" if you treat them as dogs, they'll behave like dogs.

That works for everyone.

"bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11" his group member are. He is the boss then he is responsible (note that doesn't work in all cases...).

"I'm think I'm going to be sick. This man thinks he the darn Messiah or something?"

Same Americans In Name Only.

Different day.

At least Obama talks with the bribed dictator where as Bush only gave money to the bribed dictator. Don’t know which is worse. To talk to the bribed selfish dictator or just give money to the selfish bribed dictator. Every word Obama says about freedom and humanity etc is useless as long as Obama keeps supporting one of the most brutal dictators in the Middle east with weapons, aid and moral support. A dictator who oppresses his own people and keep on giving aid to Israel in order for Israel to maintain it’s illegal occupation of Palestinian land according to UN resolution 242 which USA voted in favour of. USA is useless and hypocritical .

Sailwind - "Sorry also that Bush isn't even mentioned in the article."

Bush needs to be mentioned otherwise conservative posters like yourself might actually get away with posting blatant hypocrisy.

Again, sorry about that. :-)

Only the folks that voted for the presidency have the right to complain. The folks that did not need to keep their opinions to themselves. President Obama is making alot of changes to quick for the people. What other country can you say the government owns 50% of the car industry, and a major stockholder in big banks? Not a whole lot. Anyway, if the people feel he is doing a less than adequate job, he will get impeached or worse yet, not get re-elected.

Sailwind, it's becoming clearer by the day how adamantly you want to follow in the tailwind of Rush Limpbough, the leader of the GOP, and bring your country down, but please at least show appropriate respect to your sitting president.

At least Obama talks with the bribed dictator where as Bush only gave money to the bribed dictator. Don’t know which is worse.

What I thought was nice was that everyone entered the Cairo auditorium wearing shoes, and they all left with their shoes too!

Effective diplomacy can be likened to a trained technician analyzing and handling a problem. President Obama can present extremely well-reasoned arguments very articulately. I believe there is great power in that. On the other hand, if diplomatic ability is not in your skillset, you become just another untrained monkey with a hammer.

Obama must be so glad he doesn't have to deal with terrible dictatorships in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Sorry also that Bush isn't even mentioned in the article.

Bush is mentioned in the article. Obama's speech admitted the harmful parts of "previous" US policy that he is in the process of changing.

This man thinks he the darn Messiah or something?

Yes, there was something Christ-like about his message that essentially asked his audience the following: "Forgive my predecessor, for he knew not what he was doing."

Sarge, you mean the ones that helped bankrupt your country?

Those dictatorships?

Bush is mentioned in the article. Obama's speech admitted the harmful parts of "previous" US policy that he is in the process of changing.

Barack Dubya Obama hasn't changed anything.

Sushi, sounds like you can't stand the fact that the previous administration is responsible for Obama not having to deal with dictatorships in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And if we're so bankrupt, how come we still give billions more in foreign aid than anyone else?

Bin Laden must be like the woman at the party who sees someone wearing the same dress. Stolen thunder, grrrrrrrr............

Obama is more popular now than ever. Better have good security when visiting those pyramids!

Sarge: there some mistakes in your sentence... let me help you

Obama must "not" be so glad he "has" to deal with "incompetent people put in place" in Afghanistan and Iraq "by the previous administration"

there "are" some...

Sushi:

" Refreshing to see this U.S. president actually making an effort to repair the immense damage caused by the last one. "

What kind of nonsense is that?? The embassy bombings in Nairobi and Daressalam, the Cole bombing, the first WTC bombing, the preparations for 9/11... all that happened BEFORE your hated GWB came into office and had a chance to cause all this imaginary damage.

How is that possible? If Bush "caused all this damage", shouldn´t there have been love and kumbaya between the muslim world and the US, lead by the phenomenal William Jefferson Clinton?

Please try to get over your Bush complex, it is getting embarrassing.

tension “has been fed by colonialism that denied rights and opportunities to many Muslims.”

That has nothing to do with the United States. That comment is a direct slam at Britain. Obama never misses the opportunity to dis an ally.

said the president, who recalled hearing prayer calls of “azaan” at dawn and dusk while living in Indonesia as a boy.

Of course, when he was running for president nobody was allowed to mention his middle name nor his Muslim lineage. Those who did were called prejudiced. Now that he's trying to in kiss up to the Muslims it is to be shouted from the rooftops. Obama's a two-faced opportunist.

"Barack Dubya Obama hasn't changed anything." So that's why you're singing his praises, teleprompter? I mean, according to you your hero Bush's policies are still in effect. So you have no problem with Obama.

Sarge - "And if we're so bankrupt, how come we still give billions [OF CHINESE MONEY] more in foreign aid than anyone else?"

(words in brackets, mine).

WilliB - "!all that happened BEFORE your hated GWB came into office and had a chance to cause all this imaginary damage."

The bungled invasion of Iraq is 'Imaginary damage.'

The GOP blinders go down on reality yet again. :-)

"Violent extremism across the globe" does not take its cue from Obama or the moderate Muslims who are silenced in fear. Let he who is without sin cast the first shoe at the jihadists.

I got it - the conservatives are panicking so bad because they see before them a president who has more common sense, nous and intelligence than the entire GOP.

Why is it that EVERY move President Obama makes is slammed by the Extreme Minority Right?

That's kind of like a fat guy asking why people eat so much cake.

ODS is very real. So is BDS. We just replaced one group of radicals with another from the other side. :)

Obama's speeches sure are pretty, let's see if they are symbolism or substance. There is a new King Tut in town.

"We just replaced one group of radicals with another from the other side. :)"

Heh, I must be honest and find it a 50/50 shriekfest. Whilst obviously I prefer Obama to the disaster of Bush, the radical left are en equal pain in the ass.

AlQ responds to Obama's call "for a new beginning" by beheading another infidel:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,524857,00.html

Madverts: "I prefer Obama to the disaster of Bush" don't you think it is bit early. Wait for the concrete to dry up first.

Tumble,

I'm working on the assumption (agreed) that it will be pretty hard to screw America more than W did.

ramen,

That was yesterday. Please try to keep up.

If a group of Christian terrorists flew two airliners into oil refineries and sky scrapers in Saudi Arabia, would the prince of Opec come groveling to the US Bible belt to find out what it is Christians don't like about Muslims?

Why reach out to a particular religion? Is Obama a missionary? Is he the Pope of good vibrations because he heard a few Muslim prayers as a kid? If certain sects of Hindus became pissed enough at America, would Obama be giving an apologetic speech in India for our continued support of Islamic Pakistan?

Is it a case of the squeaky wheel gets the oil, or the squeaky wheel has the oil?

"Why reach out to a particular religion?"

Asking that question negates a complete amnesia of American foreign policy post 9/11.

I'm working on the assumption (agreed) that it will be pretty hard to screw America more than W did.

Obama is doing his best to prove you wrong. On the path to out do him already with the nationalization of GM too.

Is it a case of the squeaky wheel gets the oil, or the squeaky wheel has the oil?

Very good question. Not a good answer. Realistically, its probably both.

Madverts:

" Asking that question negates a complete amnesia of American foreign policy post 9/11. "

Not asking that negates a complete amnesia of 9/11, the thousands of jihadist acts that prededed it, and the thousands that followed it.

Just what makes you believe you go to paradise for flying a plane into a building and killing thousands of people?

Obama calls for new beginning between U.S., Muslims

It's like trying to shake hands with the end of an AK still hot after emptying its magazine in your general direction. Admirable but doomed to several months of damage control and rude words.

will, we all know how you feel about Islam.

If you're so concerned about Johnny Jihad, surely you're going to back me up that W's foreign policy only served to throw copious amounts of nitrous oxide on the fundie fire?

@Sushisake:

Why is it that EVERY move President Obama makes is slammed by the Extreme Minority Right?

It isn't. Why are you so sensitive to discussion of Mr. Obama? Are people now not permitted to disagree with the words or actions of an elected representative? Did George W. Bush never encounter criticism?

The guy is making a genuine attempt to rebuild the image and reputation of America that was driven through the mud by the last president.

I believe the metaphor is "dragged through the mud", but let's press on. Mr. Obama's attempt to salvage the reputation of his country may be genuine. That does not however mean that it is beyond criticism or reproof. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Just as an example, there is a legitimate belief held by many in the West that it is becoming increasingly unacceptable to criticize Islam, and that freedom of speech is gradually being chipped away. For people who hold this opinion, reproof of Mr. Obama in this instance might stem from the failure of an American president to adequately address the issue of free speech and freedom of conscience as unassailable tenets of Western civilization. That is a legitimate reason to critique his approach to "engagement" with Islam.

But hey, the Extreme Minority Right have a problem with a leader who wants to do something positive for America.

Emotional responses are rarely wise, Sushisake-san. Nobody has a problem with the betterment of their own nation, people simply have different ideas of what constitutes "better", and how to go about getting it. If you have nothing more constructive to add, don't post.

What's with that?

What's with you? Consider all points of view. Question everything. Question liberalism, or what it has become. Question whether it might be possible for Mr. Obama to engage with Muslims without compromising on, or neglecting to emphasize and defend, ideals and principles which are highly valued by Westerners. It is possible to think that Mr. Obama is genuine and well-intentioned without thinking that he is infallible.

Molenir: "On the path to out do him already with the nationalization of GM too." that was for own good. What is good for GM is good for the country.

Madverts:

" If you're so concerned about Johnny Jihad, surely you're going to back me up that W's foreign policy only served to throw copious amounts of nitrous oxide on the fundie fire? "

I don´t know who you are talking to, but I am no friend of GWBs foreign policy. That does not mean the Obamas is better; to the contrary.

It is a cheap rethorical trick to set up the two as the only alternatives.

Mayuki, well said.

Mayuki: Are people now not permitted to disagree with the words or actions of an elected representative?

Well, to be fair to Sushi, he actually disagrees with a majority of Obama's policies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, bailouts, detainees, etc). People often confuse his constant desire to talk about Bush and Republicans with support for Obama.

willi,

Every single post of yours is scarily related to Islam, and you hate/fear/paranoia of it.

I really don't know what else to say, other than us moderates truly believe reaching out to the muslims is a better solution than enraging them all bu killing lots and lots and lots of them for dubious reasons lile W managed to.

Just as an example, there is a legitimate belief held by many in the West that it is becoming increasingly unacceptable to criticize Islam, and that freedom of speech is gradually being chipped away.

This is true, however is shows how political correctness has permeated the American psyche.

It seems like a good enough speach under the circumstances. I'm sure the vested interests will try to undermine any efforts though. Call me cynical but there is a lot of momentum and history to overcome here.

As far as criticizing Islam is concerned, I think he made some points without being offensive. That's a really fine line on this topic.

Guess we'll see what happens next. bin Laden is already spewing hate. What does Iran have to say?

The muslim world seems mixed ranging from slightly warm to unimpressed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUKTRE55335W20090604?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=10482

Maybe a waste, maybe not.

WilliB, you state that Clinton was responsible for 9/11 because it was being "planned" while he was President. If we use the same logic, the first Bush then is guilty of the first WTC bombing! Clinton was inaugurated on Jan 20th 1993. The first WTC bombing happened on Feb 26th, 1993; a little over a month when he took office. Bush Jr's administration was already in place, when 9/11 happened; unlike Clintons was.

Watched most of the speach on CNN last evening. Made me proud to once again have an intelligent man in charge of the U.S., rather than a simple-minded ideologue. Sure he's reaching, and cannot realistically hope to correct the numerous issues between the U.S. and the Muslim world in his presidency, even if it goes two terms. But, at least he clearly has a grasp of them, and is not looking to simply impose the U.S.'s will on the region. Just ask yourself, when was the last time a U.S. president got applause like that in a Muslim country? That alone speaks volumes about the potential for some progress.

Just ask yourself, when was the last time a U.S. president got applause like that in a Muslim country? That alone speaks volumes about the potential for some progress.

I can't think of how a better first step could be taken on the road to better relations between my nation and the Islamic world.

Lofty and perhaps unrealistic, but what I liked about the speech is that he spoke directly to his main audience as adult to adult. If you want to change the conversation, then you have to change how you speak to the other. Talking down or completely ignoring people will not elicit any response towards change - President Obama has demonstrated the principle of equality by speaking to, not at, his audience. This mode of communication will stand in stark contrast to the extremists who invariably use coercion (rhetorical or otherwise) to bend the will of others.

Will this speech change anything? Hard to say, but if bullets and boots in Iraq can be a poster for promoting extremism, then a well crafted speech in Cairo by a believable supporter of freedom and democracy may also sway hearts and minds.

A very good first step, but that is all. The rest remains to be realized.

New beginning is just words, words, words. Pakistan is a battleground and 2 little outposts moved around the West Bank. Jerusalem settlements expand, psychological warfare with Iran continues,Somalia floods with new gun...and now he, the man of free speech, wants to stop academics from discussing the true extent of the shameful holocaust? And the countries he visits, Saudi(oil) and Egypt(pro-Israel dictator) are a joke. How about Syria, Lebanon or Iran? His words are pulling the wool over our eyes.

Lawyers would use any languages to win their cases. America is now run by a bunch of liberal lawyers, and Obama is the one. Words alone are cheap if no deeds to show for it. The fundamental issues of human right , freedom of expression including religions are nowhere to be found in most Muslim nations. Muslims should start to show respect for others, for they will be respected. Israel and Palestine must co-exist; so does Islam and Infidels. One world under the banner of Islam will never exist. Obama's words are like sugar to the ignorance addict.

So Den Den and Bgood41, more bullets and boots and blood? All you both have are words, words, words and no ideas on how to change the current situation. As I said, President Obama's speech is a very good first step (i.e. talking to his audience as adults). Future action by many players will determine if the speech was effective - obviously some will always be unmoved..

"As a young man, I worked in Chicago communities"

Well, he WAS the Chicago community organizer.

If someone is looking for sugar coating, I guess Obama's speech is fine. On how to change the current situation, I suggest you should study Koran carefully to understand the real intent of Islam, and do not blow up the Buddha statue in Afghanistan again. Here is one idea for the starter: let all major religions come together brain storming the real issue of human value. Let the U.N enforces its core principle without compromise... We are not taking about war, but an academic critic for the good vibration of brain

buddha4brains:

" s I said, President Obama's speech is a very good first step (i.e. talking to his audience as adults) "

If you define "adults" as "brainwashed, ignorant dolts", then yes. For anyone else, his speech was insult to our intelligence.

Bgood41 -- "sugar to the ignorence addict". Clever quote. Who'd you borrow it from? Someone on Fox News is my guess. But, even so, I'd take that over the "heroin for the simple-minded ideologues" that Bush's words represented for 8 long years. Can't your grasp the fact that all the examples you gave -- Pakistan, Somalia, Jerusalem, etc. -- are all complex problems? And a one-size fits all foreign policy like Bush had, principally because he did not like complexities, is not the answer. But, I'm game, please give me a single example of a world hot-spot that Bush left in better shape than when he found it.

What's the name of that Brit who was hoffically beheaded by Muslims in Iraq a couple of days ago?

Does JT have a thread on this.

hereforenow:

" Watched most of the speach on CNN last evening. Made me proud to once again have an intelligent man in charge of the U.S., rather than a simple-minded ideologue "

In actual fact, you have exchanged one simple minded ideologue ("all they need is freedom") to another ("appeasing islam will stop the jihad"). The ignorance of both is nauseating.

This was not a speech for intelligent adults, this was the most appaling attempt to grovel islamic superiority; Political Correctness at its worst.

I just listened to excerpts from this speech on the Michael Medved radio program this mornin'. Obama was cheered; the crowd went nutz.

Then I listened to a previous speech given by Dubya on the same subject.

Holey smack. Obama ripped off Dubya's speech - sometimes verbatim - in places.

Also included was that bit from the koran on 'if a man kills a man he kills the world; if a man saves a life he saves the world...'

Not only can the Big O get away with rippin' off Dubya's speech, but he also gets the added kick outta seein' the eyes of lefties begin to glaze over in awe.

What you're so totally unaware of... Holey smack.

Ok, we went ahead and kissed a lot of butt. Now it should be on them. How about some of the more prominent real leaders of the Muslim world, like Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran, Syria, and Quaddafi, come out and tell the American people that they are not at war with us....

And yes, Bush kissed their butt too.

US Ronin:

" Holey smack. Obama ripped off Dubya's speech - sometimes verbatim - in places. "

GWB and Obama share their ignorance about the nature of islam and Jihad. What is new is Obama ignorance about Israel and willingness to help destroy the Jewish state.

And that is a big difference.

And that's also one reason why Bush was lightyears preferable to the Chairman.

Khamenei's statements included:

The nations in the region hate the United States from the bottom of their hearts because they have seen violence, military intervention and discrimination,

The new U.S. government seeks to transform this image. I say firmly, that this will not be achieved by words, speeches and slogans.

Tehran and other regional capitals, including Damascus have noted that while the Obama administration has come forward with statements of respect, earlier speeches were followed by decisions to renew punitive economic sanctions.

Even if he delivers hundreds of speeches and talks very sweetly, there will not be a change in how the Islamic countries perceive the United States,

Obama said it was part of his responsibilities as president “to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear."

This is indeed sickening. Will BO also fight against negative stereotypes of Christians, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists wherever they appear? Is the next stop the Vatican? I think not.

If a particular religion tolerates suicide bombers, holy war and the beheading of "infidels" in the name of their god, why the hell should it be the responsibility of a sitting US president to be a self appointed apologist for said religion? Lest anyone's eyes should be glazed over by presidential froth and blather, negative stereotypes of Islam exist because of these very negative attributes of Islam.

Obama said it was part of his responsibilities as president “to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

So, Obama's going to wage jihad on behalf of the Muslims over cartoons?

So, Obama's going to wage jihad on behalf of the Muslims over cartoons?

Yes. Of course. Its his "responsibility" to be intolerant of those who believe in something as offensive as freedom.

Obama and Osama,its a new begining you might say.

Notice there is just one letter difference between Obama and Osama. Osama is Osama and is into Spiritual affairs of middle east.

Obama is President,he can boost Middle east like China/India.

Middle east people and West people do they freely migrate to each other nations.

This is the problem, more people to people contact is needed between Christian west and Middle East. Both sides need to trade more together as one trading entity,for the betterment of both. The economic divide needs to be bridged.

US Nasdaq companies ,European companies and Gulf nations companies ,should try for, one mutual benefit trading entity,then there will be , a better result.

It is all about wealth . More needs to be done in bridging the wealth gap or educational gap difference in material sciences.

Spiritual studies, is a different thing altogether,it is spiritual.

An Iranian cleric called the president’s speech “an initial step for removing misconceptions.”

Yeah.

But Iran's Supreme Leader?

He's not in a very hopeychangey mood:

TEHRAN, June 4 -- Iran's supreme leader dismissed President Obama's speech at Cairo University Thursday, saying the Muslim world continues to "hate America."

[...]

"People of the Middle East, the Muslim region and North Africa -- people of these regions -- hate America from the bottom of their heart," Khamenei said at a gathering to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini..."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/04/AR2009060402305.html

Someone else ain't to happy with The Chairman either.

A Utah man was just arrested for 'bein' on a mission to kill the president'.

Has any American president at any time ever said it's America's responsibility - responsibility - to fix this mess?

Islam permits its followers to deceive, when dealing with non-believers or when the ummah stands to gain by deception.

rajakumar:

" Notice there is just one letter difference between Obama and Osama. Osama is Osama and is into Spiritual affairs of middle east. "

Osamas "spiritual studies" are actually quite practical in application, and apply to the whole world, not only to the Middle East. Ass 3000 dead people in the WTC can testify, among many others.

Words have a lot of power when properly used.

President Obama is healing the United States' reputation around the world. Great for him and for the US. Shame the loser repubs can't be thankful for that.

Kinda funny to watch them bitch though. Wonder if they cry at night.

Yo, fairy, you missed the part where The Chairman ripped off chunks of this speech which was early given by Dubya. Even those koran quotes he employed...

I miss nothing. Ever.

[Yawn] We'll see if everbuddy, libs especially, is still feelin the love when oil goes back up to 85 bucks/barrel.

haha who cares, the speech was prasied, Bush couldn't string words together on his own turf, a man with charisma and purpose is a threat to America? Look where the tactics of the previous 8 years have put us.

Bush in Cairo:

"w-wwell ummmm it's good to yeah, it's good to be here today." and queue the shoe

Bush was hated around the world.

The ridiculous islam-appeasing speech should scare anyone, but predictably the PC crowd and the mainstream media gobbled it up.

The only consoling thought is that thanks to desastrous economic policies enacted in the US now, Barrack Hussein will preside over a much, much weaker superpower, as its economy implodes.

his 55-minute address

A 55-minute speech where he used the pronoun, "I" 54 times:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjNkOTI5MDIyMTRiZWNkMjFlN2JkOWU1OGU4NDVjYWU=

That's not quite one per minute. He's slipping.

A 55-minute speech where he used the pronoun, "I" 54 times:

Blowhard.

Imagine the reaction if Bush or Reagan had numbers like that.

This is definately not a good news for osama...his mojos ran out! Who is going to watch his latest CD speech?

I read the speech. Very well done. Very presidential. Makes one proud to be an American (He should have used harsh interrogations though and not torture). He spoke of democracy, freedom of speech and religion. Tolerance. Education. Working together.

The Arab world has a very young population. If we can get a working relationship with them as they did in with us at the time of Cordoba (Spanish Moors) we would all have a bright future. Sure it was idealistic and naive, but it is something to shoot for.

What torture?

Under American law, there wasn't any torture.

And considerin' what the likes of Al Qaida did to a civilian Brit on holiday several days ago in Iraq (beheaded), it doesn't meet their definition of torture either.

If we can get a working relationship with them as they did in with us at the time of Cordoba (Spanish Moors) we would all have a bright future

Yeah. Let's go back to before the Industrial Revolution to please the poor 'oppressed' Mohammedans.

The largest transfer of wealth in world history is from the productive, developed nations of the West to the likes of Saudi Arabia but we must go out and flagellate ourselves cuz Dear Leader needs the poll numbers to stay high.

The ridiculous islam-appeasing speech should scare anyone, but predictably the PC crowd and the mainstream media gobbled it up."

that is odd, isn't it? I mean if anyone were to be in bed together, it should be the conservatives and the Muslims, not the lib and the muslims. I guess they decided to put all the woman's rights, freedom of speech and religion, on the shelf. Oh, and in a lot of part of that world, owning a gun is legal, abortion is illegal, and the death penalty is in full force...... It just doesn't make sense.

skipthesong:

" that is odd, isn't it? I mean if anyone were to be in bed together, it should be the conservatives and the Muslims, not the lib and the muslims. "

Yes. That is because contemporary Political Correctness represents less traditional liberal values (which should abor islamic teachings), but rather an amourphous gunk of slogans and feelings, all based on liberal education, which is basically a lack of education.

These liberal islam-sympathizers simply have no clue what is coming towards them if the islamists succeed.

It would really be funny as hell, if the rest of us didn´t have to live in the same time period.

"but we must go out and flagellate ourselves cuz Dear Leader needs the poll numbers to stay high."

Polls old friend?

Where did you stand on that issue again?

Unreal - the Diehard Extreme Right on this board are going ballistic like little kiddies scrapping in the playground - hollering, screaming and hurling insults because to them, their president is GUILTY of doing something good for their country.

They just can't handle it.

I'm totally relaxed.

President Obama's speech rocked and Americans can be justifiably proud that they have a leader who is going all out to not just rebuild America's image after the carnage of the last 8 years, but who is also trying to repair relationships between other countries.

Back to the hollerin' from the Extreme Right. :-)

Comments on this and other recent political threads on JT have made one thing crystal clear - the Diehard Extreme Right have relegated themselves to nothing more than angry-sounding background noise that is contributing absolutely nothing of value to this debate or any other debate that is constructively aimed at making America great again.

Back to the screaming coming from the Ministry of Rage, courtesy of the Diehard Extreme Right. :-)

Sushi: "I'm totally relaxed"

That's because you know the U.S. military is still the #1 military in the world, heh heh.

Sarge, no, it's because I know a good thing when I see it.

I'm also glad that last November, the majority of your countrymen voted to reverse course and start moving your country forward again.

Finally, America has got it right. That's another reason I'm relaxed. :-)

Sushi, no, it's because you know the U.S. military is the #1 military in the world, even though you'll never admit to it.

Sushi, how come you never include the die hard middle wings?

Sarge, the U.S. military is the #1 military in the world, but that's got nothing to do with why I'm relaxed. :-)

Most of us don't need guns and heavy weapons to feel that our lives have meaning.

Sorry, 'some' of us. :-)

Skip - "Sushi, how come you never include the die hard middle wings?"

I think I had some of those for dinner the other night. :-)

Sorry, what is a die hard middle wing?

LFRAgain at 7:07 AM - Are you saying that Obama is like an orangutan/chimpanzee?

The government essentially consisted of the Orangutan/Chimpanzee faction, which represented the science and education-side of society and the Gorilla faction, which was superstitious and militaristic. That’s almost exactly what I see here.

It was modeled after Athens-Sparta.

Sushi:

" "I'm totally relaxed" "

Really? You don´t sound like it, what with all that screaming and name-calling about your imaginary right-wing extremists, whose only crime is to point to the obvious flaws in Barrack Hussein´s islamapologist speech. Relaxed people don´t hyperventilate like this...

SushiSake: The Diehard Extreme Right on this board are going ballistic like little kiddies scrapping in the playground - hollering, screaming and hurling insults because to them, their president is GUILTY of doing something good for their country.

You've probably said that a few hundred times over the last few months with maybe some very slight word changes. A man of your intelligence shouldn't be recycling the same argument so many times. By this point you should have gotten bored with saying the same thing again and moved on to something new. At some point you're going to have to let go of the security blanket and jump back in the pool. You used to be pretty good at debate....but now it's like you aren't even trying anymore.

Obama has spoken. So let the Lebanese (June 7) and the Iranians (June 12) in their respective elections show the world that Mohammedans are ready to also try dialogue and diplomacy.

So let the Lebanese (June 7) and the Iranians (June 12) in their respective elections show the world that Mohammedans are ready to also try dialogue and diplomacy.

So how will the results of the elections in Iran show the world that the Iranians are ready to try dialogue? Why not go on record as being specific with something?

"I must say, this speech was hard to stomach. So much pandering, so many historical inaccuracies, so many half-truths, distortions and outright lies. One could write a book on the flaws of this shameful excuse for a speech, but for now I'm analyzing the most glaring inaccuracies in the first ten minutes."

Video at

http://occidentalsoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/06/skeptics-guide-to-president-obamas.html

Obama has spoken. So let the Lebanese (June 7) and the Iranians (June 12) in their respective elections...

Well, the Lebanese have spoken they've responded, via the ballot, in a manner favorable with a new beginning.

In Iran, the election is too close to call at this point, but there is a real chance of the reformer beating Ahmadinejad.

I guess you start retrenching your position regarding the overall effectiveness of President Obama's address.

" "a real chance of the reformer beating Ahmadinejad" "

"the reformer"..... groan. But I guess ignorance is bliss.

"Invoking the Quran and his rarely used middle name, Barack Hussein Obama declared Thursday that America has a common cause with Islam and never will be at war with the faith — an overture intently watched by the Muslim world and welcomed in unlikely quarters."

He calls himself a Christian but I am beginning to have doubts. I am not saying a Muslim would make a bad president but Mr. Obama cannot be both. I prefer him to be honest about his beliefs. If he is Muslim so be it.

"the reformer"..... groan. But I guess ignorance is bliss.

Perhaps you can then explain what your fellow right winger meant by saying, in his post of 7:38 on 7 Jun above, the following: "the Iranians (June 12) in their ... election... show the world that Mohammedans are ready to also try dialogue and diplomacy."

Perhaps the right-wingers are getting their talking points from different sources.

He calls himself a Christian but I am beginning to have doubts.

How does President Obama's knowledge of the Koran make him any less of a Christian?

Based on what I have studied, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and most religions are have one basic theme, which is basically the concept of One God, or in simple terms One Goal.

As per the heading of this article, in lay terms, lets not fight or argue and try to work things out. So the question becomes, "What can you do or what are you doing to make things work out?"

Most religions speak of things that are not good, (bad things), of which the question simply becomes, "What are you doing that is not good?"

If you've ever read the Qu'ran, you would come to the realization that it basically overlaps with the Christian Bible, and for that matter with most other religions, particularily in terms of basic principles.

One of the core principles is the concept of equality and distribution of wealth (ie. "good" things and not "bad" things)

So with this in mind, you can filter out the noise, and focus on what is important, such as what is happening to this world, and what can be done about it.

If you've ever read the Qu'ran, you would come to the realization that it basically overlaps with the Christian Bible, and for that matter with most other religions, particularily in terms of basic principles.

Actually, no, it doesn't.

teleprompter at 07:38 PM JST - 7th June Obama has spoken. So let the Lebanese (June 7) and the Iranians (June 12) in their respective elections show the world that Mohammedans are ready to also try dialogue and diplomacy.

Did President Obama's speech to the peoples of the Islamic faith help seal the victory in Lebanon? It is unknown, but it did not hurt. The pro West faction beat out the Hezbollah faction.

I for one am glad that that happened. But of course the far right will try and taint that victory with some sort of lies.

OhioDonna at 01:12 AM JST - 10th June He calls himself a Christian but I am beginning to have doubts. I am not saying a Muslim would make a bad president but Mr. Obama cannot be both. I prefer him to be honest about his beliefs. If he is Muslim so be it.

So by your reasoning if a person invokes the Qur'an or has knowledge of it, then they must be a Muslim and they can not be Christian? If this was true then the are more Muslims in the world than there have ever been Christians.

If anyone wants to learn they read many book. Take me, I have a few copies of the Qua'ran, many Bibles, one copy of the Torah and a few other books on different religions and some ancient religious book also.

Does that make me a follower of the Christian or Muslim or any other religions? No, I am not of any of those religions.....

To say that someone is this or that because they studied it does not make them this or that.

teleprompter at 06:43 PM JST - 10th June If you've ever read the Qu'ran, you would come to the realization that it basically overlaps with the Christian Bible, and for that matter with most other religions, particularily in terms of basic principles. Actually, no, it doesn't.

I wish to correct you and most far right wingers, the Qur'an does references and does have passages from the gospels and the Torah. As usual I will provide you far right wingers with the dreaded thing called facts;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_narratives_and_the_Qur%27an

You can go to other sites but this is the most neutral of all.

I hope and will pray for world peace however I will refrain from commenting on this sensitive issue because my opinion are controversial and not shared by many.

JoeBigs, your link doesn't seem to be working. Here is another that links the Qu'ran to the Bible:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%27ran#The_Torah_and_the_Bible

Teleprompter, An Abrahmic Religion includes Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, so your comment seems to be just "noise".

Nurse13, I am sure that there are some of us that share your controversial opinion.

Obama calls for a new beginning between U.S.,Muslims.

There is no controversy between true Christians and true Muslims, the only true controversy is between the religious and non-religious, of which the former is trying to reach the latter, in a time when corporate giants are crashing, the world is in its deepest recession ever, and 20,000 children continue to die of poverty everyday.

So, although I have been an Atheist for most of my life, I will drop to my knees, and put my hands together, in hopes that anyone reading this, might be thinking the same. I don't think it matters what religion because they are all basically the same, and without them, you could be hopelessly lost without it, even if you have your partner, kids, ride, and pad today, it may not be there tomorrow.