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I don't see that george bush's foreign policy has done any good.

Another point of vies is needed.

John McCain is a spitting image of george bush.

So if I wanted another 4 years of george bush, I'd vote for John McCain. < :-)

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"he would use big sticks and big carrots"

"big carrots"

In other words, he would use take a bunch of the taxpayers' money and give it to Iran.

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I wonder why this is giving me flashbacks of Bubba and North Korea?

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A policy of reaching out to problem states is the right policy. This cowboy, shoot your way to peace approach by Bush and his right winger buddies has failed. And has cost us a lot of money that would have been better spent sorting out US infrastructure and economic growth.

A war with Iran would be a disaster for everyone involved. Iran knows this. The intelligent members of our government know this. And thankfully Obama must know this as well. We just do not have the band width and resources to go to war with anyone. I mean think about it, the Taliban are still a threat and these guys are midieval. Iran is not and would pose a much harder to suppress challenge than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. Not to mention the wide spread fear and anger it would cause in other Muslim states.

Obama has the right idea. And in the end it is cheaper to pay tax dollars to business and development projects in Iran than to fun a war there. And the value of the lives on both sides that would be spared are beyond a dollar value.

I'm voting for Obama and looking for a leader brave enough to talk rather than hide behind some inflated militaristic ego trip like the idiot in office today.

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"A war with Iran would be a disaster"

Letting Iran acquire nuclear weapons would be an even bigger disaster.

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what they see as Washington’s bias toward Israel." In retrospect to the bias Toward the Palestinians by the entire Islamic world in addition to the American Left (who is supposed to one to stand against religion and government being combined)?

Obama has the right idea but I don't think its the right idea to talk to AJ while he still holds that country's lead position. Before the Islamic revolution, Israel and Iran had very good relations, in fact, Iran was one of the first countries to recognize Israel, this is probably due to the fact that Iran has the largest Jewish community outside Israel and Jews have been allowed hold 1 seat in the government and many top Israeli leaders actually are of Iranian decent. What is more surprising is "Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khameni summed up his country’s stand on the Arab-Israeli conflict by stressing, '[The] Palestine issue is not Iran’s jihad.'"

How about someone in the government sum it up for people as to why there is conflict with Iran and Israel, since as the Grand Puba there says the Palestinian issue is not theirs. Where would Obama even start off. Does he even know what is the problem between the two? I am willing to bet that he doesn't.

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I feel pity for the american people, they have two options: either an old man politics (McCain)or a manchurian candidate(Obama)! Thats why US power shall never being respected in the coming years!

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tkoind2,

This cowboy, shoot your way to peace approach by Bush and his right winger buddies has failed.

You can't say it's totally failed. Stock prices for haliburton, blackwater and SAIC have sky-rocketed. So...you know, they have that going for them.

The peace thing, yeah, not so much. But defense contractors would consider this approach to be very successful.

Taka

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Senator Obama is not just looking like Bush (FISA,Iraq etc.) he is actually beginning to sound like him as he continues his world tour - -

"Let me be absolutely clear,Israel is a strong friend of Israel's."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/obama-wants-to.html

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Obama might sound like Bush to the tone deaf. To those who have an ear, whether Obama is talking about Israel or Iraq or Iran he has a distinct melodic line that lends itself to high harmonies.

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Wow SezWho2, I never detected the poetic tone to your postings. But that was beautiful. < :-)

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To those who have an ear, whether Obama is talking about Israel or Iraq or Iran he has a distinct melodic line that lends itself to high harmonies.

Distinct, melodic and harmonious - like twenty years of Sunday mornings down at Trinity Church...

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-and then Barak Obama said "Jerusalem" could also be the capital of Palestine.

I admire a man who likes to keep all peoples happy.

USAR

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It's funny how there are still a few fools who will 'listen' to bush as he 'reaches out' to them in a stand against Iran, and yet when one talks about 'listening' to and 'reaching out' to Iran it falls on deaf ears; or worse yet, there are those who are ignorant enough to think we should just nuke them... simply because they are Muslim.

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Nobody in my largely conservative circles wants to nuke Iranians because a number of them happen to be 'Muslim'.

Most Iranians like America. It's their theocratic leadership that's *Looneytunes that we see as a possible Apocolyptic future probelm

*Looneyturnes is a copyrighted trademark of the Disney Corp. Any and all use of this material will result in the vaporization of the poster.

USAR

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“It is because if we show ourselves willing to talk and to offer carrots and sticks in order to deal with these pressing problems, and if Iran then rejects any overtures of that sort, it puts us in a stronger position to mobilize the international community to ratchet up the pressure on Iran.”

What he said.

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I dont know why everyone is saying iran is making nukes. They have tons of surprise visits by the international community to check up on their sites and the result is the same. The CIA has also said the same.

No violations.

They say they want nuclear power plants. Is this a crime?

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He said a nuclear-armed Iran would pose a threat to both Israel and the United States.

Careful Obama. You're going to lose the America-hating socialist vote with talk like that.

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Lots of hype about Iran: It has been mentioned in the press so often that the 'wipe off the map' statement about Israel by Ahmadinejad was a mistranslation, yet Gordon Brown repeated the same mistranslation in his recent speech to the Israeli parliament. While there may be an excuse claimed by the US for the misquotation, there was no justification for Brown. The difference between the UK and America is that the Brits have diplomatic relations with the Iranians. There's obviously an Iranian embassy in Britain. The Foreign Office would have received the official documents and they would know all about that. Therefore, it's impossible to think that the prime minister could be unaware of that. So, Iran has NO intention of wiping anyone off any map. Period. Unlike Israel, wiping the Palestinians off the map, one sick child at a time. Unlike Israel, Iran is a signatory to the NNPT and is regularly and stringently inspected, according to Scott Ritter, and he should know. Iran, according to Bush's very own 16 intelligence agencies has stopped its quest for a nuclear weapon in 2003. They're making nuclear power, legally and above board. But Bush has poo-pooed this report and relies only on Israeli intelligence now. Talk about only getting news that you agree with! Decisions "made in" DC are really decisions "made to" DC from Israel at this stage. Israel does not want its white supremacy in the region challenged by a powerful Iran. Well too bad! Israel should join and sign the NNPT, accept inspections and be subjected to the exact same standards its imposing on Iran. By its own rule of thumb, justifying a pre-emptive strike for its security, Israel itself opens itself up to being pre-emptively struck because it endangers other countries in the region. It has a history of attacking its neighbors, unlike Iran. This whole thing is summed up beautifully: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20281.htm So, Obama, by all means give the guys in charge in Tehran a call. better to talk than to be lobbing "nookular" weapons at each other.

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"This cowboy, shoot your way to peace approach by Bush and his right-winger buddies has failed"

Heh, if the Bush administration had shot the way to peace in Iran, that mis-leader Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs wouldn't be in charge there now.

jbro - You don't really believe Iran wants nuclear power just for electricity production, do you?

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I would at my time and choosing be willing to meet with any leader

Where exactly do you begin negotiations with an Islamic fundamentalist leader who invites neo-Nazis like David Duke to holocaust-denial conferences, exports weapons and terrorism though groups like Hezbollah and Hamas, and threatens to wipe countries off the map? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad - the new Hitler, Obama - the new Neville Chamberlain, history repeats itself.

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Helter -

Obama: Now, President Ahmadinejad, it's my understanding that you seek nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

Ahmadinejad: Death to America! Death to Isr - er, yes, that's right! We seek nuclear power for peaceful purposes! We want to live side by side and in peace with our Jewish brothers.

Obama: Then we will not stand in your way. ( turning to his aide ) Get this man a reactor!

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Ahmadinejad has been upsetting his own of late so it might be an idea to wait 6 months & see if he is still there. As for mistranslations of what he did or didn’t say. This may or may not be true, I don’t speak the language so can’t say. But if it did happen it’s not the norm, the same however can’t be said about the Islamic press which seems to have a general policy of mistranslating everything said in the west about Muslims.

Obama isn’t there yet, in 6 months time he too might be a forgotten person, I think I would rather wait & see rather than fall for any electioneering he might be doing around the world today.

Libertas

When your agenda is so obvious your reasoning becomes weak. Israel has many years of very good reasons for being the way it is. That does not mean that they are the “goodies” in this, but it does mean I can understand why they react as they do. You however believe only what the Palestinians & the left wing media tell you, when did you ever allow yourself to actually listen to anything that Israel had to say? No, your mind is too well filtered to allow that to happen. You think you understand & for you that will always be all that you need. There is no honesty in selective blindness & seeing the Middle East from the point of view of Israel is so socially uncomfortable isn’t it?

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undecidedbout08,

What does Trinity Church have to do with Iran? or with your earlier comment about Obama sounding like Bush for that matter?

You know, even the best of speakers will make gaffes and Obama is of the best. The more carefully we try to speak, the more likely we are to misspeak. And if there is any situation in the world that leads itself to that it is the Middle East in general and Israel in particular.

Expecting any US president to "solve" the Israel/Palestine problem is foolish. In the US there is only one politically correct answer and that is to support Israel. In the Middle East as a whole there is only one politically correct answer and that is to support the Palestinians.

Savvy American politicians turn their attention to superordinate goals like the Taliban in Afghanistan or the Persian fundamentalists in Iran and more or less avoid what is happening in and around Jerusalem.

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Helter Skelter,

Did Obama say he would negotiate or did he say he would meet? But to answer your question, one might begin negotiations with a person like Ahmadinejad by meeting with him to discover what items are possible to negotiate.

And what's with the Hitler card? Are you out of substantive argument?

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As far as I know, Trinity Church has nothin' to do with Iran and everything to do with Barak Hussein Obama and his wife, Michelle, bein' congregants for more than twenty years in a 'church' whose pastor really gets worked up preachin' hatred against innocent white folks and America.

Barak Hussein Obama didn't decide to leave this rabid race-hating and race-baitin' and American-hatin' 'church' until this little issue came up during his current presidential bid.

It then became a little inconvenient.

USAR

P.S. It's not America's responsibility to solve the problem of the Middle East. Have your own country fix it for the world.

Moderator: Obama's middle name is not relevant. Please do not use it again.

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Savvy American politicians turn their attention to superordinate goals like the Taliban in Afghanistan or the Persian fundamentalists in Iran and more or less avoid what is happening in and around Jerusalem.

Persian fundamentalists, sezwho2? Don't you mean Persian supremacists?

Actually, I think the problem is the apocalyptic brand of militant Shia Islam that the ruling theocracy believes in. I have no problem saying it. There are countless quotes from revolutionary Iran's founder on the subject. Islam is also the reason for the Arab position on Israel which you spoke of. No harm done in saying so.

I don't expect the US to solve Israel's problems. But we should support them, as should Europe, basically responsible for Israel's creation.

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"if the Bush administration had shot the way to peace in Iran, that mis-leader Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs wouldn't be in charge there now."

Great. So nstea of the mullahs we'd have rampant violence, regular suicide bombings, concrete walls between communites to stop them killing each other and a 160,000 strong occupation army keeping the "peace"?

No thanks sarge. Thankfully, Senator Obama will be taking a diplomatic and more intelligent line of approach than the disasterous bush regime.

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We once manipulated Iran and Iraq into just killin' each other. It was wonderful. -Took the heat of their mutual hate for us off the plate for a while, while it also depleted their armies, ordnance and material.

If we could only find a way to do that again with a number of them Arab provacateurin' regimes.

Good times.

USAR

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Yeah, you were even arming both sides of the conflict.

And then you whine about America haters.

Poor sods.

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Madverts - No, but we'd have yet another country in the ME that doesn't threaten its neighbors.

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Give the new Iraq time, sarge. They don't like Isarel anymore than the rest of those around them, and heh, no amount of Denial is going to change this...

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With the amount of Iranian decent Jews have a hugh standing in the government and the size of the Jewish community in Iran as well as both of them having a common enemy, the Arabs (don't know whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) I don't understand why these two countries don't talk or are they waiting for AJ to leave his office. If that is the case, then Obama is right on target. If I were Obama, I would have an issue speaking with a person who has a comfortable relationship with the likes of David Duke.

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No, Madverts, you got it all backasswards...

First came all the hate and "death to America".

Then came the brilliant manipulation into gettin' them to focus all that hate and killin' at each other.

I don't whine about American haters. I'd have to care enough about you in the first place... I guess.

Dumb clods.

USAR

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"First came all the hate and "death to America"."

So how did that come about then?

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Madverts - So, what you're saying is, there will be perpetual conflict in the ME. All I can say is I hope you're wrong.

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"So how did that come about then?"

Because they were unwell then as they are unwell today.

Just pick up a paper. You'll see.

USAR

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USARonin,

If Trinity Church has nothing to do with Iran, your interjection of it here is nothing but mudslinging. Could we get you to stick to the subject?

Your P.S. was more to the point. I agree with you that it's not America's responsibility to fix the Middle East. That was my point. And America would be my country, so make up your mind.

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USA R....,

So you don't know why they hate you. Heh, didn't think so.

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undecidedbout08,

No, I meant what I said. If you want to say that the government of Iran is one of Persian supremacists, I think you would be wrong and I think you would be guilty of name-calling. But perhaps you have no problem with that.

I agree with you that we should support Israel. But we should support it in doing the right thing. At the very least that means abandoning the settlements.

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SezWho2, the first time I saw Trinity Church mentioned was in your post which was two posts before mine.

If you can bring up Trinity Church, why do you care if I do? I didn't complain when you did.

My mind's made up on this issue. No question here.

USAR

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If you have to tie Trinity church into a discussion about Sen. Obama's extremely successful visit to the M.E. and his plan for foreign policy discussion, you obviously have nothing of relevance to offer to the discussion and are just hear to hatefully froth at the mouth.

But israel is part of the M.E., one of the most important. And the church that Senator Obama was member of for twenty years was openly and stridently anti-Israel.

It's not just one side of the American blog o rama that raises the issue. Senator Obama has been confronted by Israelis and by American Jews for his ties to Trinity Church. It isn't going to stop because they fear being called 'hateful' by his supporters. They take religion pretty seriously in Israel. I can't imagine they'd give a free pass to a native politician who converted, spent twenty years in one house of worship, denounced the congregation's leader - - a man he'd called his moral compass, and then simply went to worship elsewhere. Why should Barack Obama get one?

Iran backs Hamas and Hezbollah. Here, by way of a business blog, is copy of a May 2007 article printed in Trinity Church's bulletin written by a senior Hamas official.

Very troubling stuff.

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg

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USARonin,

I think if you will avail yourself of the wonderful tools on web browsers you will find that the first mention Trinity Church was made by undecidedbout08. And I think that if you will read carefully you will see that the post you refer to does not "bring it up" but rather questions why someone else would "bring it up". Your mind may be made up, but Trinity Church is irrelevant here.

You persist in irrelevance while avoiding the issues at hand which are, as the title indicates, Obama's plan for talking with Iran and, as the article itself supports, Obama's comments about the relationship between the US and Israel. It appears that on these topics you have little to say.

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undecidedbout08,

You're going 'round Robin Hood's barn in an effort to make Trinity Church relevant to this discussion. If the context you are now speaking in were truly your original context you should have made that clear at the beginning. This looks painfully contrived.

Yes, I read the article. You say it's troubling stuff. Did you actually read it? What troubles you about it? Why shouldn't more people read this and really try to grasp what the author is saying?

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SezWho2, if you think I want to wade my way through all the misspent time on these threads that occured prior to my arrival, you is mistaken.

You were talkin' about Trinity Church when I wandered on to this thread. You.

As far as the subject topic is concerned, I believe I already stated somewhere in this whole cluster that hizzoner Obama said "Jerusalem could be the capital of a new Palestinian state."

I thought that statement of his was pretty relevant, but I knows I can't please everyone even though you guys know I try.

Moderator: Readers, that concludes discussion about the Trinity Church.

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ON TOPIC

My whole goal in terms of having tough, serious direct diplomacy is not because I’m naive about the nature of any of these regimes. I’m not,” Obama said at a press conference. “It is because if we show ourselves willing to talk and to offer carrots and sticks in order to deal with these pressing problems, and if Iran then rejects any overtures of that sort, it puts us in a stronger position to mobilize the international community to ratchet up the pressure on Iran.”

The international community has racheted up the pressure not once but twice in the form of U.N sanctions.

What is next Senator after they reject your overtures as they have to France, Russia, Germany etc these past three years?

War?????

That’s an issue that has to be dealt with the parties involved, the Palestinians and the Israelis, and it is not the job of the United States to dictate the form in which that will take, but rather to support the efforts that are being made right now to resolve these very difficult issues that have a long history,” Obama said.

Support how Senator? Two state solution? Invite Arafat to the White house like Clinton 27 times? Take the Bush approach and have all parties both Olmert and Abbas to Camp David to solve it once and for all? What is your PLAN Senator?

Fluff to get elected thought he'd do better than this on the trip myself.

Gotta play to his base I guess instead of taking a position that would counter it. I noticed during his trip he didn't condemn terrorists acts once agaisn't our soldiers or any civilians.

Nuff said

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At least Barack Obama has the guts to speak to other governments, even when it's unpopular unlike when george bush just refused to talk to Iran at all.

It's no different then when he stopped conversation with North Korea and then was forced to become engaged in negotiations.

At least Barack has guts.

It takes no guts at all to start a war on lies. < :-)

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Barack just gave a hell-of-a-speach in Berlin, Germany.

I think John McCain's voting Obama this year also. < :-)

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At least Barack Obama has the guts to speak to other governments, even when it's unpopular unlike when george bush just refused to talk to Iran at all.

I don't think you really understand Obama's message. He's going to demand that Iran give up their nuclear work (a position you do not support) or else he's going to put more pressure on them (a position that you do not support). I happen to support both positions so I'm more than happy with Obama talking to Iran....in that way. Based off of what I've read from you in the past you actually disagree with both positions. Were you even aware of that?

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Has anyone mentioned that GWB abruptly reversed six years of administration policy by dispatching a high-ranking State Department official to join in consultations between Iranian and European diplomats over nuclear negotiations?

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Did Obama say he would negotiate or did he say he would meet?

What difference does it make? You don't meet or negotiate with leaders who praise neo-Nazis, hold holocaust-denial conferences, support terrorism, and threaten to annihilate the Jewish state. Imagine Obama and Ahmadinejad taking photo ops on the White House lawn - haha!

And what's with the Hitler card? Are you out of substantive argument?

Just stating the obvious. But I understand how this parallel is lost with those who blindly support the enemies of America.

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I heard what he said SuperLib, I may not agree with everythging he says, but at least he's not saying I refuse to negotiate until they give up all nuclear ambitions. At least he's willing to sit down at the table.

Betzee, screw george bush. After six years he's finally doing something. Only to try to get Bomb...Bomb...Bomb John McCain in the Whitehouse.

I may never agree with his total approach, but he's a damn sight more realistic then bush. < :-)

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imagawa By all means look at what the pro-Israel folks are like, and the folks who would NOT talk with Iran: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/24/inside-hagees-controversi_n_114741.html Give me peaceful, logical, rational discussions by Obama with the Mullahs anyday, instead of this fantasmagorical religiosity with which America seems to have been afflicted these days.

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Helter Skelter,

Thank you for your response. It reveals the rhetorical nature of your earlier question and marks it as insincere. If you implacably believe that there should be no dialogue with leaders such as you describe, you needn't bother asking the question.

I well believe that you don't meet or negotiate with such leaders. And on that account I am very glad that you are not heading my government. Even Bush expressed a willingness for the US to negotiate under stipulated conditions, none of which involved them giving up the views and activities that you allege.

Your juxtaposition of present day Iran with Germany in the 30's is a parallel in your own mind and is obvious only to the minds of lazy thinkers generally. It is intellectually loathsome, as is your suggestion that I support the enemies of America because I do not see things your way. Try to lift the nature of your discourse.

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Barack just gave a hell-of-a-speach in Berlin, Germany.

As much as they are dying to do so, they can't vote in our elections.It's kind of sad to see them swoon the way they are.

Is democracy dead in Europe?

Who is their Obama?

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As the German's were walking away they were interviewed.

One said, "He'll be a great leader."

Another, "I have a new messiah."

They were impressed. < :-)

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At least he's willing to sit down at the table.

Right. He's willing to sit down at the table and demand things that you do not support and apply consequences that you do not support.

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just saw a group pic of ASEAN foreign ministers. They were doing a group hug - Condi to. Mynamar's part of the group so what does the press have to say? They conveniently cropped the photo....

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"I have a new messiah"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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You know Sarge, I didn't make that up.

That was a German citizen who was interviewed. I know, silly statement, just reporting it like I heard it. < :-)

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talking to the persians(thats what they like to be called) is an outstanding approach, by all means talk to them, rememeber all these so-called enemies america has,in the past we helped their regimes, then we destroy it after they said "no to almighty america. why cant brown countries have nukes, why cant we dialogue with the persians. Obama has guts, lots of it, i commend him, and i feel mccain might even vote for obama, like someone mentioned here earlier.....

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As if Obama and his mantras will do any good. Iran is like a snake: quietly going about its business, then, at the right time, when everybody thinks there is peace and safety, it strikes.....

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