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Cant wait for Donnie's "concession speech" in a few weeks, one for the ages I would imagine.....

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Obama, as usual, nails it.

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I can't wait for Pence to hit the televangelist circuit and for Trump and Christie to appear on The Biggest Loser.

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“The press has created a rigged system and poisoned the minds” of voters.

FOX (news) and the rightwing press have poisoned the minds of a large number of US Americans who are unwilling, perhaps unable, to reason through what's presented by the general media and sort truth from goats. The worst in the basket of mind-poisoned right wingers have such limited reasoning skills they can only see events in binary terms; agree with me and Alex Jones (or any of the dozens of other conspiracy theorists and shock jocks) - good, don't agree with us - bad. Perhaps too many rightists have spent too much time breathing in gun smoke.

I had always loved Dylan's idea of 'the loser now will be later to win' until this election cycle. White nationalists have been losers because of their limited ability to reason. I know the times they are a changing, but have no desire to see white nationalist inherit the earth.

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Trump trails Clinton by 7 points in national opinion polls, according to an average of polls compiled by RealClear Politics.

Polls don't matter, voting does.

But that said, has anyone ever held that much of a lead in the polls this close to the election?

Trump has praised Putin as a strong leader and on Monday suggested that if he wins next month he might meet the Russian leader before he is even sworn in as president.

To collect his salary I'm sure.

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Even Wikileaks has HRC/Podesta advocating for oversampling. "We are as interested in the "who" suburban, rural, we are polling as the issues. The plan includes a possible focus on women, might be something we want to do is over sample if we are worried about a certain group later in the summer...."

So basically the polls average out D+11 in the polls but back in 2008 polls were D+7 when Obama won his first election. The pollsters are saying that voters are as enthusiastic for Hillary as they are for Obama.

So the pollsters are saying that Hillary will get 4 points more than Obama got in 2008 despite the fact that in the current primaries turnout was 20% less for democrats than in 2008. Like seriously ??? The rational response would be that all our conspiracy theories are falling by the way side.

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New day, fresh revelations.

Voter fraud revelations that is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDc8PVCvfKs

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Damn, we must be up to 32 incidents of voter fraud then.

This is getting out of hand.

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The man has a massive persecution complex. He never stops whining about how everyone and everything are always rigged against him. He is the biggest crybaby ever to be nominated for President. His 3AM twitter account is our nation's baby monitor, to listen to what is happening with our 70 years old baby.

Why would you want to vote for a man who always looks on the dark side of life, and who wants us all to feel that it is Midnight in America.

That coming from a guy who has bragged about having come from being broke in 1995, to being worth over 10 Billion dollars today, while not having paid even a penny in taxes to our national government during that same time span.

Mr. Trump is All Take And No Give.

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Afraid of suppressing their own voting, republicans suddenly deny vote rigging

-- http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/17/1583616/-Fearing-suppressing-their-own-vote-Republicans-suddenly-deny-vote-rigging

Money quote:

But the more significant damage is that which Trump is doing to himself.

In short, if your vote doesn’t matter because the system is rigged against you, why bother turning out?

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I think weird stuff has been going on with elections since 1960. In 1960 there were outcries of fraud, etc. Nixon lost to Kennedy however Nixon chose not to challenge the vote or say much of anything at all about the outcome. He handled the situation with class (in spite of his other short comings).

Kennedy went on to handle one of the biggest crisis of the 20th century (Cuban missile crisis) as well as any one could have. Maybe our last truly great President.

As a side note for folks like me (one who supports neither candidate) this article is a good representation of this whole election year. I do not mean this to be a knock on any candidate. I just saw this and gave me a good laugh.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/33418363/witness-clinton-forward-together-tour-bus-dumps-human-waste-into-storm-drain

This involved Clinton's bus but it would have been the same to me if it involved Trump's bus. This has nothing to do with the election or who is qualified. It is just funny and again....I think it sums up this election cycle well (however you want to look at it)

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Trump claimed the voting was rigged in the primaries. But he won anyway. Is he really saying that the voting systems are rigged in his favor?

Makes no difference at this point. Obama had to over perform to win, but he won twice in landslides. Hillary will win as well in a landslide. Georgia is on the edge of tipping to her and Texas is within the margin of error now in recent polls. Thank you republicans for nominating such a horrible loser candidate that deep red states are now turning blue. Trump may lose Utah, amazing. He is such a huge loser and all of you frazzled republicans know it. But yet you elected him to be your man, your immoral, selfish, illiterate, racist, criminal, perverted loser. Thank you so much for this. And also thanks for destroying your party as well as Trump will surely do once he loses. It will not be his fault he lost, but your fault and the RNC. It is all so perfect. The republican party is getting what it has long deserved, and you republicans voted for it.

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Even if Trump doesn't win, as long as we don't see Obama's face, that in itself is a huge victory. Drinks on me!

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And also thanks for destroying your party as well as Trump will surely do once he loses.

I'm sure he'll try. The problem is, of course, keeping the Turner Diary trogs happy without alienating the more genteel racis..er, racially resentful crowd.

Its a tough row to hoe. Repubs have been doing it for decades, but now the froth is in the mouth, and I fear can not be denied.

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Nixon lost to Kennedy however Nixon chose not to challenge the vote or say much of anything at all about the outcome. He handled the situation with class (in spite of his other short comings).

Don't give Trump any ideas but seriously there was fraud on both sides in 1960. Nixon was just shrewd enough to have his aides and Republican leaders try to overturn the results so as not to muddy himself directly.

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@Fred

I am not sure why someone would "down-vote" your post. I think there are folks here who would down-vote a post stating humans need oxygen to live if it came from someone they disagree with.

The CNN anchor should have kept silent on this issue. There is good reason this was not repeated by CNN. It is arrogant to imply people should not read original documents and instead rely on the media for interpretation. I would rather see the source and the context in which something is stated.

I dislike Trump and he should not be talking about "rigged" elections at this point. I do agree, however, about having term limits for Congress. It is one thing he has said I agree with. I would hope Ms. Clinton would do this as well. However this is a pipe dream as it would require a 2/3 vote of Congress to pass. I do not think they would vote to stop their gravy train. In this case the American political system is rigged....against the people...not against on party or another

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I'm not sure if the CNN guy was determining that it's illegal to own the wikileaks emails, or if he was repeating something that the government as put out there as a stance, but either way it's pretty ridiculous. If it truly is illegal, the laws have not caught up to the real age.

I don't like Assange, and I think sometimes Wikileaks is irresponsible with what they do, but that said, they provide a check/balance against tyranny, which serves a place in an age where the power is disproportionately in the hands of the government.

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It could be spectacularly bad timing on Obama's part, saying this in the middle of Project Veritas' exposure of Hillary's operations. Or maybe he expects based on past experience that not much coverage will be given to PV as compared to his simple sound bite.

Hillary friends don't believe Obama about rigged elections, and apparently Podesta believes them.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10290

High importance. I met with Jim and Mike in Denver. They are both old friends of the Clintons and have lots of experience. ... They are reliving the 08 caucuses where they believe the Obama forces flooded the caucuses with ineligible voters. They want to organize lawyers for caucus protection, election protection and to raise hard $. ... Marc can you reach out to them on the lawyer election protection issues. ...

OBAMA doesn't believe Obama about rigged elections.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/10/18/watch-obama-2008-boasts-ohioans-helps-dems-charge-voting-machines/

... SEN. BARACK OBAMA: Well, I tell you what, it helps in Ohio that we’ve got Democrats in charge of the machines. But, look, I come from Chicago. Some want to be honest, it is not as if it is just Republicans who have monkeyed around with elections in the past. Sometimes Democrats have, too. ... You know, whenever people are in power, they have this tendency to try to, you know, tilt things in their direction. ... That is why we need paper trails on these new electronic machines, so that you actually have something that you can hang on to after you punched that letter to make sure it has not been hacked into. ...

But as posted the other day, a large number of states do not have election machines with paper trails, and in these states in the 2016 Democratic Primary Hillary's spread between pre-election polls and post-election results was +9, and in states with paper trails her spread was only +1.

http://www.subjectpolitics.com/voting-machines-rigged-16-states-hillary-mega-donor-just-hijacked-election/

SMARTMATIC’S VOTING MACHINES WILL BE USED IN THESE 16 CRUCIAL STATES: AZ, CA, CO, DC, FL, IL, LA, MI, MO, NJ, NV, OR, PA, VA, WA, WI ... Clinton beat expectations ONLY in states that use her unaccountable electronic voting machines!

States with paper trails to placed votes: Clinton polled 48% pre-election, ... (received) 49% in official results on primary night States with unaccountable voting machines: Clinton polled 58% pre-election, ... (received) 65% in official results on primary night

As you can see, in the states that used these voting machines, Hillary improved BY A WHOPPING 9 PERCENT. Conversely, in states that didn’t use these machines she only won by 1 percent. ...

Do you really think they won't rig the general election as well? Why? Pangs of guilt?

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Well let's all not forget G Bushes second term, and votes found in a school shed counted as legit votes.

Trump does have good reason for it "but" he comes across as nut's.

As long as people understand what's happing with Russia and China.

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@Strangerland - I agree that Wikileaks provides a very good check and balance against tyranny. Personally I do not have bad feelings about Assange. Assange was radically against the war in Iraq and leaked some pretty damaging information related to the war. I think he is non-partisan in his dealings. Whether Wikileaks is irresponsible....I am not sure. Times have change as you stated and governments all around the world and of all affiliations have been caught in some pretty radical deceptions. I think tyranny is upon us and has been for a while and people need to be awakened to what is really going on. Finally, it would be interesting to find out who was behind cutting off Assange's access to the internet. If they think that will stop Wikileaks they are truly under estimating his organization. I wonder if there was some back room deal between someone and the Ecuadorian government to cut his access. It will be interesting to see what happens to him after the next Ecuadorian election.

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Love it! Trump gets the slap down he deserves, like a petulant child being told by his father enough's enough. Gotta hurt.

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bass4funkOCT. 19, 2016 - 09:05AM JST

Even if Trump doesn't win, as long as we don't see Obama's face, that in itself is a huge victory. Drinks on me!

Well, you are very much in the minority - looking at the 2 candidates coming up, the US, and the world is going to miss Obama's 'face' a great deal. We now realize how lucky we were.

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In Trump's own mind, though nowhere else, he is a 'winner'. So the fact that he will certainly lose the election is creating a kind of panic. He doesn't know how to react and this is all he can think of. I blame his parents. He was clearly not brought up properly.

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Well, you are very much in the minority - looking at the 2 candidates coming up, the US, and the world is going to miss Obama's 'face' a great deal.

He's also probably a much better president than Hillary will be. I don't expect her to be as willing to be bipartisan as he was, so for any right-winger who is looking forward to her over him is likely to regret that declaration.

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Trump supporter on April of 2016 " The people have spoken. They want Donald Trump to be the Republican nominee. The polls and votes showed him as the most popular candidate out of all 17 candidates."

Trump supporter on October of 2016 "The system is is rigged and unfair. The polls are nothing but liberal media lies"

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"Even if Trump doesn't win, as long as we don't see Obama's face, that in itself is a huge victory. Drinks on me!"

I'm sure you'll still see Obama's face around. He's an intelligent and talented man who has a lot to offer.

What happened to the president who preceded him? The last I saw of him he was avoiding angry people in New Orleans.

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Congratulations to President Obama, First Lady Michelle, and the GOP leaders who have firmly denounced Trump's "whining" before the game's even over. Only a few Americans--including Trump, his cronies, and his third wife--have attempted to cover up his indecency, lies, irresponsibility and sexual assaults. The majority of silent Americans--with the assistance of various leaders of the two major parties, as well the human rights groups who will monitor the electorate process on Nov 8, 2016--will unmask the true nature of Trump the Evil, who has recently repeated his flattery of the Russian neo-Stalinist dictator, and former KGB director. Although his chance to win the election is very low, but the unchained Trump will be very dangerous. Whatever the result of the third debate, please remember that Trump the Evil doesn't have any capacity to bring about a "change" in the USA. He has filed for six business bankruptcies, avoided to pay his income taxes for decades, etc. Only those who were born yesterday could believe that he may bring about prosperity and the like.

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bass4funk Even if Trump doesn't win, as long as we don't see Obama's face, that in itself is a huge victory. Drinks on me!

Consolation ?

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What happened to the president who preceded him? The last I saw of him he was avoiding angry people in New Orleans.

The last I saw of him he was getting a hug from Michelle Obama.

If you had told me eight years ago I'd be writing those words, I would have properly guffawed.

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At the end of the day it was rigged for bush.

Are you unlikers saying them votes found in a school shed and counted are legit votes?

So yes Trump has a good reason to think this could happen.

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@Fred Wallace

I agree that CNN should cover the Wikileaks, but Project Veritas is garbage. I watched your linked video despite my better judgement.

The biggest takeaway from the video, it's really hard to get people to vote legally or fraudulently. Nothing in the video implies it happens with any frequency. On the contrary, the guy at the end implies it happens only when it's necessary (i.e., when strict voter ID laws prevent legal voters from voting). He also says it's too late to try something this election, but tells the Veritas guy to come back in 2018 if he's adamant about committing fraud in the interim elections. But again, he says it probably won't be necessary.

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Well, you are very much in the minority -

Actually No, but as long as you have the MSM as the leading platform to get the message out over the voices of the millions that are dissatisfied and that's over 85% with the direction and the way things are going, they can and have been pushing this narrative.

looking at the 2 candidates coming up, the US, and the world is going to miss Obama's 'face' a great deal. We now realize how lucky we were.

His supporters will miss him, but the rest of us will be listening to Lionel Richie's song "All Night Long" and party like it's the last day on the planet, because having Hilary as possible president, it just might come to that.

I'm sure you'll still see Obama's face around. He's an intelligent and talented man who has a lot to offer.

Yeah, but I won't see him screwing up the country anymore! Kudos!

What happened to the president who preceded him? The last I saw of him he was avoiding angry people in New Orleans.

Visiting other areas where people love him and enjoying his life and raising money for wounded warriors on the bike trail. Obama wouldn't be caught dead with any service men, he'll be too busy trying to get some TV role, appear on Ellen trying to dance or just play golf. Either way, on that end, life will be good once he's gone. Moët and glass-READY!

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What do you expect Obama to say? Hes against Trump, of course hell slag him off. But it is quite factual that the system is rigged primarily by the MSM. Just look at what they report on.

Interestingly, a new undercover video was released about how the Clinton campaign operates yet no article or mention of it on JT or the MSM just slagging off Trump. Wonder why? Horrible video.

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•John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824...Adams still elected President. •Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876..Hayes still elected President. •Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888....Harrison still elected President. •George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election...Bush still elected President..

So "We the People" can elect a candidate but if they do not get the "Electoral Votes" then the "We the People" votes mean nothing?

It kind of defeats calling your self a Democracy when the peoples votes are ignored.
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The next four years and three months cannot go quick enough.

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Of course the system is rigged!

Clinton has taken kickbacks,bribes,defended a rapist, persecuted Bill's victims, issued death threats, engaged in shady land deals, breached National Security, refuses to release proof of fitness to serve etc.

Yet, still she is a presidential candidate?

Of course the American system is rigged!!!

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I LOVE AND FULLY TRUST ALL GOVERNMENT AND BELIEVE ALL MEDIA!

Pew Charitable Trust report from February 2012, one in eight voter registrations are “significantly inaccurate or no longer valid.” Since there are 146 million Americans registered to vote, this translates to a stunning 18 million invalid voter registrations on the books. Further, “More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters, and approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.” Numbers of this scale obviously provide ripe opportunity for fraud.

OBAMA WOULD NEVER LIE AND DESERVES HIS NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!

BAHHHHHHHHHH!

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The last I saw of him he was getting a hug from Michelle Obama

Doesn't redeem war crimes, but Dubya did do lots for Africa.

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although numerous studies have shown that voter fraud in U.S. elections is rare.

Yeah, the GOP has decided that they don't like that reality, so they've created one of their own. They're getting pretty good at it.

Abortion clinics: The GOP tries to pass new laws to protect women. Doctors testify and say these new abortion clinic policies will harm women by closing the doors of many clinics and requiring wasteful conditions that do not improve safety. The GOP listened, then decided to pass the laws because it will improve safety for women.

IRS scandal: The GOP said the IRS was targeting right-wing groups. After an extensive investigation, it was shown that they were not targeting right-wing groups. The GOP read the results and decided that right-wing groups were being targeted.

Planned Parenthood: The GOP alleged that the group was selling baby parts. Investigations in several states showed that this was not the case. Even the video makers are under indictment for their role. The GOP gathered all of this information, then decided to try to pass laws defunding Planned Parenthood because they sell baby parts.

Birthers: Trump and the GOP ran with the story that Obama wasn't born in the US. Obama produced his birth certificate. Trump and the GOP saw the birth certificate and ran with the story that Obama wasn't born in the US.

Corporate Taxes: The GOP's position is that if we lower taxes the big corps will bring back jobs to the US and invest in research. The US did a tax haven in 2005 and found that the ones who benefited most cut jobs and reduced R&D expenditures. So the GOP's position is that if we lower taxes the corps will create more jobs.

Benghazi: Where do we start?

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Now is the time for a surprise independent challenger to throw his or her hat in the ring, you never know a month to go anything could happen. Nothing to loose either way , neither candidates are fit to run the US.

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Mods,

Are you checking logins?

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Looks like our resident deplorable is going nuts with the thumbs-down again.

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America's electoral vote system is a vestige from the days when it took several weeks travel for electors to make their way to the capital and cast their votes. But even if the constitution were modified to better reflect voter sentiments, the losers would still find ways to accuse the winning side of cheating, and everybody would search for ways to tweak the system to their party's advantage. If an reliably unbiased and transparent system can't be developed, then it's better to leave things as they are.

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Trump is dumber than he looks....

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If he's convinced (despite the failure of the vast majority of his own party to support his assertion) that the electoral deck is stacked against him and that rampant election fraud is occurring, let him produce concrete, empirical evidence to document the truth of his claim (like postal workers are destroying ballots marked for him). Otherwise he should shut up and lose like a man, rather than persisting in this delusional charade. You really have to ask at this point whether there is some other organic cause for his behaviour, or whether he's simply incapable of impulse control.

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Cant wait for Donnie's "concession speech" in a few weeks, one for the ages I would imagine.....

Boy are you in for a big surprise!

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Haha I went from +14 to -1 in 10 minutes. Seems the democrats can learn a thing or two from the Republicans when it comes to voting fraud lol...

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Project Veritas is garbage.

Well that garbage is putting the status quo on hot coals forcing two of the individuals to leave their roles. Your opinion on the matter is welcome however this revelation is not hearsay. It's straight from the source so to speak. There's no more calls for empty conspiracies. It's clear as day. The mental gymnastics is simply appalling really.

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Breaking News: Trump is inviting Obama's brother to the debates.

I look very much forward to meeting and being with Malik,” Trump told the Post. “He gets it far better than his brother.”

Priceless!

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pence is way better than trump even though i am not for republican. trump talked and acted like a fool.

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@Fred Wallace

Well that garbage is putting the status quo on hot coals forcing two of the individuals to leave their roles.

No, they only work to take down liberal progressive groups (i.e., groups that work to help people in need). When their stings prove fruitless, they either illegally edit footage to misinform or just play weak "evidence" with ominous intros. Regardless of truth, damage to reputations is done, and organizations like ACORN that did nothing illegal get defunded.

Where are their investigations into corruption involving corporate interest groups? They'd have a lot more credibility if they were balanced. But given their shoddy practices, I'd rather they didn't. I prefer honest investigation.

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@Mr. Bum and Fred Wallace

I guess the real question is - Did this really happen or not? Should this be all that matters?

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After all the trash that Obama has talked, it is going to be awesome to see his face as he turns over the keys to the White House to President Trump.

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Funny how on a thread about Trump's whining over a rigged election a trump supporter rigs the up and down votes. :)

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bass4funk,

Even if Trump doesn't win...

All that effort , for naught,lol.

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"After all the trash that Obama has talked"

Trump supporters complaining about trash-talk?

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The good news is that we can see that the Trump types aren't able to assemble a majority. And to be honest, more than a few of them have given up. They have just under a month and they know they will lose so some of them have decided to ride into the sunset as internet trolls.

Trump can still do damage. The bigger the election day chaos, the bigger he will claim the process isn't legitimate. He's trying to get white hillbillies to show up at inner city polling places to, um, "monitor" the polling. Obviously he is hoping for conflict, then in the conflict he can feed his supporters his message. Classic tactic of dictators.

Meanwhile, Trump is working behind the scenes to find ways to monetize the anti-Hillary bots. Look at all of his nutty news stories and it makes sense. From the ashes of his campaign he will quickly announce TrumpTV. He's just trying to create the biggest payday possible at this point.

The GOP will lick their wounds and then get back to work. There will be stories about how they need to expand the base, appeal to women and minorities, then they will face the stark reality that their knuckle dragging base will have none of it. Some Republicans will reach out and will get shot in the back by their own party. Then the rest will put their integrity in the garbage and appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Party before country.

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lol. Look at all the thumbs up and thumbs down. I think this article link has been copied to a Trump supporter's website. Cause it definitely doesn't reflect the usual opinion of JT posters. It's almost like how the online polls were manipulated in saying that Trump won the debates.

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This polls uptick/downtick count seems to have been altered. Is this the type of voter fraud we should expect next month, the kind Trump claims is occurring even now, or the kind weve seen recently in polls conducted by Drudge and Breitbart? Inquiring minds want to know...

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Trump did win the second debate. WIthout a doubt. And yes, I am saying Obama need to excuse himself from this conversation, stop talking trash and focus on doing his actual job.

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The next four years and three months cannot go quick enough.

Four years? Try the next generation. Your time is over, filled with massive failure and human misery, and the new crowd is taking over. Trump has sealed the deal for the Democrats in that all groups other than tired, white, angry, racist, rich types are solidly voting against the republicans. And Trump, post-election, will only make it worse for the dying republican party. You did it, you picked the guy who will end the republican party and frankly dying is what it deserves.

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Yeah, the GOP has decided that they don't like that reality, so they've created one of their own. They're getting pretty good at it.

When you make comments like that, it proves to me that liberals really think the people just don't have a say in anything or not a part of the political process, but I'm not surprised. It was the people that wanted Trump NOT the GOP.

Abortion clinics: The GOP tries to pass new laws to protect women. Doctors testify and say these new abortion clinic policies will harm women by closing the doors of many clinics and requiring wasteful conditions that do not improve safety. The GOP listened, then decided to pass the laws because it will improve safety for women.

How do you feel that the Democrats have been funding abortion clinics with tax payer money for years, you ok with that? I'm not!

IRS scandal: The GOP said the IRS was targeting right-wing groups. After an extensive investigation, it was shown that they were not targeting right-wing groups. The GOP read the results and decided that right-wing groups were being targeted.

No one believes that and I mean, NO ONE. If Lois Lerner were innocent, she would have never had any reason whatsoever to plead the 5th.

Planned Parenthood: The GOP alleged that the group was selling baby parts. Investigations in several states showed that this was not the case. Even the video makers are under indictment for their role. The GOP gathered all of this information, then decided to try to pass laws defunding Planned Parenthood because they sell baby parts.

Again, the Wikileaks show something different. Obamabots believe that, but again, no one is buying that left talking point.

Birthers: Trump and the GOP ran with the story that Obama wasn't born in the US. Obama produced his birth certificate. Trump and the GOP saw the birth certificate and ran with the story that Obama wasn't born in the US.

Started by the Hillary Camp and Sidney Blumenthal, but yes, Obama got carried away with it, which was stupid on his part.

Corporate Taxes: The GOP's position is that if we lower taxes the big corps will bring back jobs to the US and invest in research. The US did a tax haven in 2005 and found that the ones who benefited most cut jobs and reduced R&D expenditures. So the GOP's position is that if we lower taxes the corps will create more jobs.

Yeah, tell all the businesses that left the US within the last 12 years that.

Benghazi: Where do we start?

With the lies, now we can see the Wikileaks and see how bad the woman lied right from the start.

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"Pence is way better than trump even though i am not for republican. trump talked and acted like a fool."

Pence manners are probably better than Trump's but his values/what he stands for are not. Reckon he's too conservative for the US top job, which says a lot about the man!

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Reckon he's too conservative for the US top job, which says a lot about the man!

Hillary is too radical liberally, so now what do we do?

-12 ( +0 / -12 )

Trump would be the only possible beneficiary of vote rigging, if there was any, since he is so far behind that it would be the only way for him to win. So he should be calling for as much of it as possible.

The third and final debate is going to be interesting. The only way he could be said to have won the second one is that he didn't actually grope Hillary on the stage or otherwise alienate those few fanatics still hopelessly tied to his mast.

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Breaking:

"Rigging the Election Part 2 is Out... A True Doozie! (O'Keefe, Veritas)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJkoTWA8jfA

Oh my...

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Now this is what Hillarybots look like. College kids interviewed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiJE27ULK10

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Trump did win the second debate. WIthout a doubt.

There is lots and lots of doubt. Mostly created by all the polls that said he didn't win.

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@Bass4funk Hillary is too radical liberally, so now what do we do?Million dollar question is it?Suppose you could vote for Trump then couldn't you...@Fizzbit oh awesome another youtube link here is one for you.Some say Trump supporters are some of the most intellegent people in the US maybe should do some IQ testing at ath the booths that would be intersting now wouldnt it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Zdx97A63s

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There is lots and lots of doubt. Mostly created by all the polls that said he didn't win.

Like the CNN/ORC poll that polled around 500 or so people and the people polled leaned mostly Democrat. Yeah, going by those polls, it would seem so. Jeeeez!

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Like the CNN/ORC poll that polled around 500 or so people and the people polled leaned mostly Democrat.

Yeah, that one and all the others that showed her winning.

The only people who feel Trump won are his Strumpets. Independents and Democrats all thought he didn't.

Which is pretty much how the election is likely to go.

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Oh yeah sorry I forgot about the poll where they asked a group made up of 58% Hillary supporters who won.

Unsurprisingly, she won by......57%

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Fizz - Nice link, thanks.

Northern - Nah, that not be all, here's more:

WikiLeaks revelations:

Clinton has public and private positions on issues

Obama knew about Clinton's private email account

Clinton bragged about being invited to Putin's "inner sanctum"

Clinton said she's removed from struggles of middle class

Campaign attacked catholics and evangelicals

Clinton went back and forth over Keystone pipeline

Clinton said fracking was a "gift" in paid speech

Clinton praised Wall Street in paid speeches

Clinton supported plan that would cut social security

Clinton showed support for "open borders"

DNC chief Brazile leaked townhall question

Campaign colluded with DOJ and State Department over released documents

It goes on and on and on...

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37684418

Busy little bees those Republicans.... Seems internet has reached the trailerparks of Texas and the like and people there are very excited by what you can do with it

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Even if Trump doesn't win, as long as we don't see Obama's face, that in itself is a huge victory. Drinks on me!

Because he is a black and is a Muslim born in Kenya? Then it means you are OK with Hillary since she is white?

Obama did make a lot of older white men bitter since they think that blacks are not entitled to be exceptional. They can't accept that a non-white person can be president. They think that whites are only allowed to be exceptional.

Now this is what Hillarybots look like. College kids interviewed.

Hillary survived days of non stop hearings. As well as the FBI inquiries. Trump could not do the same. BTW the same could be said about asking Republican students what George 1st did as CIA director or VP. People want Hillary because she is a normal person and Trump is crazy. People who hate Hillary just hate her because she's Hillary. It's like some chronic disease.

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Its easy to survive all the hearings and questions when you are allowed to reply "I dont recall" in various forms over and over. The everyone around you who might have to answer the truth is given full immunity

When there is no penalty for not answering the actual question, none one is for forced to tell the truth and nothing happens even for getting caught lying later, how could it be hard to survive that?

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Oh yeah sorry I forgot about the poll where they asked a group made up of 58% Hillary supporters who won.

Unsurprisingly, she won by......57%

Oh, so that's even another poll that showed her winning! There are so many of them.

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Its easy to survive all the hearings and questions when you are allowed to reply "I dont recall" in various forms over and over.

Really? She said I don't recall for an entire 11 hours. Just those three words repeated by her the entire time? She only said those words exactly on a repeated basis? I and don't and recall were the only words that came out of her mouth the entire time? The Conservatives spent how many millions of dollars just to hear the three words I and don't and recall? Sounds like Hillary is too slick for those money wasting conservatives.

getting caught lying

What exactly did she lie about? But I do know that Hillary haters think that Hillary sold secrets to ISIS.

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Go Obama... with retirement as Pres looming he can say what he really thinks. Great stuff :)

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"Hillary is too radical liberally, so now what do we do?

Try to work out what "too radical liberally" means?

I'm sure the long line of gibbering GOP headbangers like Bush, Palin and Trump actually sound brilliant to people with a very different approach to the language.

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Well, it looks like JT's resident conservative (bass4funk) is starting to see the light. "Even if Trump doesn't win . . ." Is that a concession? Oh well, . . . GO HILLARY ! Kick some posterior tonight! 1/20/17 - "Madame President" !

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Sounds like Hillary is too slick for those money wasting conservatives.

Replace slick with down right sneaky.

What exactly did she lie about?

Oh boy..

Her response when the FBI questioned her about procedures and training regarding the handling of Classified information was "I don't remember being trained", so she must have DEMENTIA or she is LYING!

So which is it nishikat? Dementia or dishonesty?

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The only people who feel Trump won are his Strumpets. Independents and Democrats all thought he didn't. Which is pretty much how the election is likely to go.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell google "Bohemian Grove"

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Yeah, that one and all the others that showed her winning.

The skewed one, that's the one. Lol

The only people who feel Trump won are his Strumpets. Independents and Democrats all thought he didn't.

That depends on who you believe and the last outlet I believe are liberals after what's happened, but from the polls, independents he's gaining and to most Republicans, he won the second debate.

Which is pretty much how the election is likely to go.

Maybe, maybe not

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Oh boy..

No, Hillary haters just think she lied under oath. If she did she would be under arrest for perjury. They just think that because they hate her then say Oh boy... because they start getting emotional about her lies which were never lies in the first place. They also think that Hillary has Alzheimer's (dementia) and is high narcotics.

Hillary haters just have some inherent hatred towards Hillary. It's something they were born with. It can't be explained. It's like going bald. Nothing you can do about it.

She is actually a very honest and has a lot of integrity. It's just that Hillary haters just can't stop themselves from hating her...just because she's Hillary.

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She is actually a very honest and has a lot of integrity. It's just that Hillary haters just can't stop themselves from hating her...just because she's Hillary.

Clinton has public and private positions on issues

Obama knew about Clinton's private email account

Clinton bragged about being invited to Putin's "inner sanctum"

Clinton said she's removed from struggles of middle class

Campaign attacked catholics and evangelicals

Clinton went back and forth over Keystone pipeline

Clinton said fracking was a "gift" in paid speech

Clinton praised Wall Street in paid speeches

Clinton supported plan that would cut social security

Clinton showed support for "open borders"

DNC chief Brazile leaked townhall question

Campaign colluded with DOJ and State Department over released documents

It goes on and on and on...

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more the society will hate those that speak it." George Orwell

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when you are allowed to reply "I dont recall" in various forms over and over.

This is so funny! The Republicans in the Benghazi committee don't sound like the smartest cookies in the jar if the spend millions upon millions of dollars just he hear someone say I don't recall for many hours. But you conservatives voted for these clowns. Again, not the sharpest pencils in the bunch. It shows Hillary is a very resilient person and puts all these losers to shame. They ganged up on her and she won. She is the ultimate hero. What were Conservatives thinking voting for these lighweights? They are no match for the super lady Hillary. All the Hillary haters can do is huff and puff and pout all day long from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to bed. I'd bet they even dream about hating Hillary. Their lives revolve around hating Hillary. It has consumed these Hillary hating conservatives to the point that nothing else matters.

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No, Hillary haters just think she lied under oath. If she did she would be under arrest for perjury. They just think that because they hate her then say Oh boy... because they start getting emotional about her lies which were never lies in the first place.

Oh boy, oh boy...

In all honesty nishikat, if the roles were reversed with trump claiming memory loss, you would be much more inclined to call bs instead of the aforementioned. The issue at hand here is accountability. How can anyone hand the keys to the most powerful nation on our small globe to an individual that can not and simply will not own up to her actions?

If she gives an order that's damning later and feigns memory lapses when questioned, will you still claim we that call her out are coming from an emotional angle? Let's get real here, jeez. Accountability nishikat, no emotions involved at all. Only what's right and just. Oh and before trump wells up in your mind, this rant goes for him as well.

The further a society drifts from the truth, the more the society will hate those that speak it." George Orwell

Not much to add on.

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if the roles were reversed with trump claiming memory loss

Regarding what, exactly?

Accountability nishikat

OK, I understand that you believe that Hillary should be arrested and do decades (or worse) in the federal penitentiary for what you think are her crimes (again, some Hillary haters think she sold secrets to ISIS). But it's not up to you. You are simply a JT poster and a Hillary hater. That is not qualified to judge whether someone committed a crime or not. It just shows that Hillary haters have a deep hatred for Hillary because it's their inherent belief. The people whose jobs are to determine if any crime was committed said no crime was committed so none was committed. But Hillary haters (who are also Obama haters since they think he was born in Kenya) just can't stop believing that Hillary is the criminal of the 21st century and they had all these Conservative losers (and I mean that literally because they ganged up on her and she won - what a lady) go up against her and lose big time.

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So which is it nishikat? Dementia or dishonesty?

Or maybe she just doesn't remember. I don't remember many of the courses I took in school, and I don't have dementia nor am I lying about that. The passage of time kills memories.

That depends on who you believe and the last outlet I believe are liberals after what's happened, but from the polls, independents he's gaining and to most Republicans, he won the second debate.

And yet, almost all polls show her as winning. There are a few right-wing ones that say he won.

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I don't remember many of the courses I took in school, and I don't have dementia nor am I lying about that. The passage of time kills memories.

No offense @Strangerland but I'm pretty sure seeing as she was secretary of state, she surely must and should be held on a much higher standard than yourself as far as recollection of anything is concerned. Anything less than that automatically disqualifies her. Memory lapses are a dangerous thing when performing any leadership role. C'mon man.

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on a much higher standard

You can believe and saw Hillary should be incarcerated all you want. It's free speech. But it is not up to haters of people to send them to prison. That's we have justice. Justice sees beyond the hatred (i.e. The Hillary haters in this case) and simply go with the evidence. They saw no crime was committed and moved on. But Hillary haters won't move on until the day they die. Just like they won't stop believing Obama was born in Kenya until the day they die.

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No offense @Strangerland but I'm pretty sure seeing as she was secretary of state, she surely must and should be held on a much higher standard than yourself as far as recollection of anything is concerned.

So you're saying that someone has to remember something they don't remember.

Seems legit.

Anything less than that automatically disqualifies her.

So Trump, in not remembering that he supported the Iraq war should be automatically disqualified?

Or maybe he's just lying when he says he didn't support it. Shouldn't that disqualify him as well?

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nadaku: "Seems internet has reached the trailerparks of Texas and the like and people there are very excited by what you can do with it"

Yeah, Hillary has apparently been making inroads into Texas, hehe

Seriously though, it's condescending comments like this that show the condescending nature of Hillary and her supporters.

This is interesting:

"Ex-Secret Service agent: Hillary must be kept out of the WH"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5VlGn5omv8

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it's condescending comments like this that show the condescending nature of Hillary and her supporters.

How can you not be condescending to sexists, bigots and homophobics?

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I shall remember this evening of October 19, 2016. The Reckoning Evening of Trump the Evil and his cronies. They will not be allowed to change the USA into a casino, a beauty contest stage, or a subordinate nation of the enemies. Let them continue to whine. The US people march toward our own future with love and hope..

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Serrano: "Yeah, Hillary has apparently been making inroads into Texas, hehe"

Giggle about it now, Serrano. You'll be crying about it tomorrow. She's already leading in the states Trump needs, with only Ohio being a tie. It's done, Serrano. Only chance for Trumpy is if is his fans, like the one on this site, start rigging the voting stations and skewing the results. You don't see any "liberals" logging in under 20 handles and reversing reality, do you?

If anyone's rigging, it's the GOP with their moving stations in poor areas and demanding IDs be shown by minorities.

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Oh my...

"Yale professor makes case for Donald Trump vote"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzP6hJLZRYU

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Serrano, so what if a disgruntled secret service agent and a Yale prof make videos about why Trump should win... their opinions are no more important than any other American voter. Either side can produce 'experts' to persuade voters to choose their preferred candidate, but it doesn't mean they're right.

I wish Trump would sell his golf courses here in Scotland... we don't want that misogynistic, racist bigot in our country.

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Nevermind the pile of evidence proving the rigging. The emperor has no clothes.

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Donald Trump is the first true opposition candidate to threaten the DNC since Reagan and even more because of how mad his supporters are at Obama, Obamacare, Hillary, possible Hillarycare and no more second amendment. Plus the DNC and the RINO's (same thing) are afraid of losing their elite, ruling class status. Trump's and his "deplorables" are the only voters educated enough to understand socialism and communism which is what the ruling class wants. Before the "basement millennials" Hillary's term, vote they should read about Russia under Stalin and China under Mousie Dung. If they have their way we will be like Europe and be prisoned for injuring a potential killer during a break in. No more free college, it's creating idiots.

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So you're saying that someone has to remember something they don't remember. Seems legit

Huh? That's the problem here. Memory lapses that could prove dire in the future. How is that ok in your book?

Shouldn't that disqualify him as well?

He's in the same boat as slithering hillary. Both should not be ok the ticket.

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Nevermind the pile of evidence proving the rigging. The emperor has no clothes.

When have liberals ever admitted to anything, let alone acknowledge the truth. There is a reason why liberals love it so much. California is about being accepted, cool, fitting in and being fake. Cities like L.A. personify and epitomizes everything fake about it and people are deeply offended by the truth. No wonder all the sane people are leaving in a mad exodus.

If anyone's rigging, it's the GOP with their moving stations in poor areas and demanding IDs be shown by minorities.

What a bunch of liberal crap! 2010, 2012, 2014 under this administration the IRS systematically suppressed the conservative vote by auditing the largest donors. Lois Lerner didn't take the 5th because she was just having a very bad day. And that stupid argument doesn't fly, NO one and I mean, NO ONE is buying that stupid argument. The only reason liberals object to voter ID is because it would stop voter fraud dead in its tracks. Everyone gets an ID rich or poor and everyone gets a fair shake and a chance at the polls. You need an ID for everything, heck, even diving you need an ID PADI or MAUI.

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stop voter fraud

There is no voter fraud anyway. Or very little like 30 per 1 billion. Nothing to fear. Trump voters (who are Hillary haters) think that Clinton control the polls and they say it would also be Hillary's fault if Trump loses.

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The Hillary hits just keep coming...

Hillary Campaign Apologizes After Her Bus Is Caught Dumping Human Waste On Side Of Street

In an act that some have said reeks of symbolism, the tour bus of the Clinton campaign was caught dumping human waste literally on the street(storm drain), or as some less politically correct commentators have dubbed the incident, "the Hillary campaign caught shitting on main street America."

What the campaign dumped at the scene was so disgusting that a HAZMAT team was called to come in to clean up the mess.

Priceless!

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Hillary Campaign Apologizes After Her Bus

Really? Did Hillary herself order this? Maybe call it dumpgate.

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There is no voter fraud anyway.

Yeah, liberals think that and that's ok. My kids still believe in Santa as well. LOL

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liberals are already fascists

It's interesting that you would say that from the party that wants to restrict homosexual and minority rights, regarding the party that pushes for minority rights.

Huh? That's the problem here. Memory lapses that could prove dire in the future. How is that ok in your book?

We have a choice of two people - Trump has just as many memory issues, although it's hard to tell which are memory issues and what are straight up lies. Yet you are only calling for the resignation of one (or whomever it was - I didn't go back to specifically look if it was you).

He's in the same boat as slithering hillary. Both should not be ok the ticket.

But they are. One has to be chosen, and she is the better choice.

The Hillary hits just keep coming...

It's a pretty sh*tty thing they did (pun intented). But fairly minor in the greater scheme of things.

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Yeah, liberals think that and that's ok.

But no one has been arrested. (other than the 30 out of 1 billion). If no one has been arrested then no crime and no voter fraud. It's just more trash talk from the Conservatives who think Obama was born in Kenya. And Conservatives think Obama was born in Kenya.

My kids are middle aged.

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"Yeah, liberals think that and that's ok. My kids still believe in Santa as well. LOL"

That's about as plausible than believing Obama is the anti-Christ or he'll declare martial law within the next 3 weeks.

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Yeah, liberals think that and that's ok. My kids still believe in Santa as well.

Within the past five minutes, Trump's campaign manager - Kellyanne Conway -- answered a host's question: "Do you believe there is widespread voter fraud?" -- With: "Absolutely not. There's no evidence of that."

Funny. I didn't know Conway was a liberal.

I like how President Obama effectively portrayed Donnie Trump as a petulant little kid -- whining about losing before the game even begins.

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It's interesting that you would say that from the party that wants to restrict homosexual and minority rights, regarding the party that pushes for minority rights.

Uh-huh, the same party that after the Florida shooting Trump said before anyone else that WE HAVE to ensure and protect the Gay community and everyone applauded. We are NOT in the year 1960 and as for minority rights, Democrats are doing a great job at using subliminal racism to keep Blacks out of their hair creating a society of welfare government dependents and they have done a magnificent job at it. You can't get more racist than that.

But no one has been arrested.

How do criminals arrest criminals???

That's about as plausible than believing Obama is the anti-Christ or he'll declare martial law within the next 3 weeks.

At this point, you never really know.

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Rasmussen Reports:

Time magazine has described Rasmussen Reports as a "conservative-leaning polling group."[83] The Washington Post called Rasmussen a "polarizing pollster."[84] John Zogby said that Scott Rasmussen has a "conservative constituency."[85] The Center for Public Integrity listed "Scott Rasmussen Inc" as a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.[86] The Washington Post reported that the 2004 Bush re-election campaign had used a feature on the Rasmussen Reports website that allowed customers to program their own polls, and that Rasmussen asserted that he had not written any of the questions nor assisted Republicans.[65]

Rasmussen has received criticism over the wording in its polls.[87][88] Asking a polling question with different wording can affect the results of the poll;[89] the commentators in question allege that the questions Rasmussen ask in polls are skewed in order to favor a specific response. For instance, when Rasmussen polled whether Republican voters thought Rush Limbaugh was the leader of their party, the specific question they asked was: "Agree or Disagree: 'Rush Limbaugh is the leader of the Republican Party—he says jump and they say how high.'"[88]

Talking Points Memo has questioned the methodology of Rasmussen's Presidential Approval Index, which takes into account only those who "strongly" approve or disapprove of the President's job performance. TPM noted that this inherently skews negative, and reported that multiple polling experts were critical of the concept.[43]

A New York Times article claims Ramussen Reports research has a "record of relying on dubious sampling and weighting techniques."[90]

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports

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bass4funk: "Yeah, liberals think that and that's ok. My kids still believe in Santa as well. LOL"

Wow! After all the partisan vitriol you spew at "liberals" all day you either really dislike your children to equate the two or else you really love Democrats. Oops! Just be careful, though -- Trump might, like Santa, ask them to sit on his lap.

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Trump said before anyone else that WE HAVE to ensure and protect the Gay community and everyone applauded.

He occasionally says some good things.

Now that out of the way, when gay marriage was made legal... this year? last year? Republicans freaked out. And according to you, Trump is not part of the Republicans, so by your own words, your comment on Trump has nothing to do with the Republican party nor it's members. Those of whom have been anti-minority in increasing amounts in recent years.

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How do criminals arrest criminals???

Again, no arrest then no fraud. I don't want to hear about what Hillary haters say. I want to see police arrest reports of voter fraud. No reports = no fraud.

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Again, no arrest then no fraud. I don't want to hear about what Hillary haters say. I want to see police arrest reports of voter fraud. No reports = no fraud.

Actually, they could know a fraud was committed, but not know who committed it, which would mean no arrest.

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Undisputable, Undeniable voter fraud evidence!

You CANNOT watch this and tell me that you are voting for clinton!!!!!

PROJECT VERITAS - Election fraud, bussing around people to do multiple voting

WIKILEAKS 4 million views in less than 1 day!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

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Undisputable, Undeniable voter fraud evidence!

Forgive us for giving absolutely no credence to the right's usage of the words 'undisputable' and 'undeniable'. The right has claimed this about disputable and deniable things so often, that they have lost all credibility with these claims.

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Wow! After all the partisan vitriol you spew at "liberals" all day

You miss the vitriol I spew at Republicans, but that's ok, I'm not mad, I know that liberals have tunnel vision.

you either really dislike your children to equate the two or else you really love Democrats.

Put down the Tequila for a moment.

Oops! Just be careful, though -- Trump might, like Santa, ask them to sit on his lap.

In Germany, if you are naughty on Dec. 6th you get a branch, methinks if Hillary sat on Santa's lap she'd get an entire tree!

Republicans freaked out.

Most Evangelicals did, but they are not the majority and they don't represent all conservatives or millennial conservatives.

And according to you, Trump is not part of the Republicans, so by your own words, your comment on Trump has nothing to do with the Republican party nor it's members.

I don't have contempt for Trump, I'm sorry, mark this down, I have contempt for Hillary and Obama is just....well....soon, the pain will subside and we won't have to deal with this guy. Instagram photos to follow!!

Those of whom have been anti-minority in increasing amounts in recent years.

Whoa! One of the Wikileaks reads: Needy Hispanics, crap on Blacks. I think libs are playing a great game of giving the illusion that Dems and liberals care about minorities and it seems like it was all a scam.

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Obama needs to shut up about the elction and concentrate on his presidential duties.

Hillary supporters are willfully ignorant at this point.

Oh my...

"Trump: We're going to drain the swamp in Washington"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrqBPxCdreo

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So when Hillary says "I dont recall" somehow all the allegations just go away and it is determined that she didnt do it. How can someone have a job at that level and not recall ANYthing she is asked about?

The fact that she says she doesnt recall is the major lie of the whole thing. Of course she recalls. If she doesnt, she is the most incompetent person to ever hold that office.

But when Trump says "I did not do that", the response is somehow still determined that he did. I bet if Trump said "I dont recall", that would be used as proof of guilt. But Hillary gets the free pass whenever she conveniently doesn't recall.

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Democrats are doing a great job at using subliminal racism to keep Blacks out of their hair ...

The last time I looked, the Democratic Party has a far greater number of elected officials who are African-American than the Republicans. FAR, far greater. You never know, one of these days, a Democrat of African descent might just become our president. That's one way to "keep them out" of one's hair. Indeed.

Millions of whites depend on government subsidies and welfare. And that's supposed to be subliminal racism?

To the extent that racism remains a part of the human condition, I'll take the "subliminal" version over the blatant variety espoused by Trump and his supporters. You know, the ones who lied for years about President Obama not being American -- and then tried to blame their lies on Hillary. Amazing bunch.

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Undisputable, Undeniable voter fraud evidence!

I only want to hear about arrest reports for voter fraud. Anything else is fiction. If that is really true then there would be arrests. Show some significant arrest reports then I will believe it.

So when Hillary says "I dont recall"

So when Hillary beat a gang of white Conservative bitter politicians who wasted tax payer money going after her (again many Conservatives vs a single Hillary) it shows how skillful she really is. She beat all of them by herself. Conservatives like to believe that the only three words that came out of Hillary's mouth in those long hearings were I-don't-recall just like they like to believe Obama was born in Kenya.

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@strangerland

"us"?

who are you speaking for?

watch the video. You will probably see it one way or another. I can only imagine that penapplepineapplepen is probably a master piece to the low information crowd, but this is truly damning.

It is an under cover video capturing voter fraud tactics from the horses mouth! Remember the Chicago riots when Trump had to cancel his rally? That was due to trained agitators who went to the rally to INTENTIONALLY do so.

Here is the video of the guy in charge ADMITTING to it! As well as other things.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

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You miss the vitriol I spew at Republicans

Can't miss what doesn't exist.

when Trump says "I did not do that", the response is somehow still determined that he did.

No, the audio evidence of him saying is what determines that he did. Which is amazing that he still denies, even after being provided with clear evidence to the contrary.

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The last time I looked, the Democratic Party has a far greater number of elected officials who are African-American than the Republicans. FAR, far greater.

And so how are they fairing in dealing with the high Black on Black crimes in cities like Chicago a very heavily Black city that votes Democratic for over 50 years and by the way, how many Chicago mayors went to prison?

You never know, one of these days, a Democrat of African descent might just become our president. That's one way to "keep them out" of one's hair. Indeed.

Come again?

Millions of whites depend on government subsidies and welfare. And that's supposed to be subliminal racism?

But when you factor in the ratio of Blacks about 13% of the population and add to that, the high incarceration rate, high school drop out rate, Black on Black crime rate, for their numbers, they beat Whites 3 to 1. A perfect position for Democrats. We know Liberals hate being self-reliant, unless you're Hillary that hates to considered the same as the average American, but the woman loves to get from women like Donna Brazile to give her the answers.

To the extent that racism remains a part of the human condition, I'll take the "subliminal" version over the blatant variety espoused by Trump and his supporters.

Ok, so you want and are content with a lying habitual criminal in office, Wow! But hey, Chicago went through so many mayors, I get it. LOL

You know, the ones who lied for years about President Obama not being American -- and then tried to blame their lies on Hillary. Amazing bunch.

Really and what lies are we talking about?

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@strangerland

watcht the video and tell it is not damning, or explain what is wrong with it....

if you can do that, I`ll vote for Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

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I only want to hear about arrest reports for voter fraud. Anything else is fiction. If that is really true then there would be arrests. Show some significant arrest reports then I will believe it.

By that logic, the 2008 financial crises is fiction as well since no one was aressted right?

Can't you see it? If no one was arrested for that, why expect arrests on voter fraud that enables the same gangsters?

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"But when Trump says "I did not do that", the response is somehow still determined that he did"

In the last debate I think Trump denied he told people to check out a porn video in a tweet. Somehow had nothing to do with it.

I think he didn't want to look like complete and utter trash in a presidential debate. That's understandble.

Presidential candidates lie. Fancy that. Don't bother with the somehows. We could be here all night exchanging lies told from both sides.

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Sorry! No arrests = 100% voter fraud fiction. It's just the Hillary haters going at it again. They believe everything on youtube. I mean if they believe in the Jesus zombie then they would believe fictional stories about voter fraud. They will take their hate of Hillary (and the thinking that voter fraud is a problem) to their grave. Maybe mark on Conservatives' gravestone Here lies old bitter white dude who was no longer exceptional. A true Hillary hater. Cool, huh?

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Fred: Memory lapses that could prove dire in the future. How is that ok in your book?

Remember when Trump said he saw tens of thousands of Muslim Americans cheering on Sept 11? That's a good memory for a President.

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watcht the video and tell it is not damning, or explain what is wrong with it....

If you have a point to make from the video, then make it. I'm not going to watch a video to make your point. I have better ways to waste my time.

That said, it's probably the same video someone else posted yesterday, to which I replied:

It sounds pretty sleazy. I much prefer the Michelle Obama 'when they go low, we go high' approach. If you destroy your country in the process of winning, then what have you really won?

Anyways, what is your guys' proposed solution to this 'scandal'?

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watcht the video and tell it is not damning, or explain what is wrong with it....

It's fiction anyway. What is not fiction is arrest reports for voter fraud. They cannot provide any of those. Again, in relevant history it has been 30 in one billion. Not exactly Saddam Hussein election standards of his 100% vote.

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watcht the video and tell it is not damning, or explain what is wrong with it....

It's fiction anyway.

I just googled it, and snopes cuts it apart: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

But as usual, these guys who will buy anything they see on youtube as truth didn't bother to check their confirmation bias to see if maybe what they were watching wasn't what it was made out to be.

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The further a society drifts from the truth, the more the society will hate those that speak it." George Orwell

This from a republican? The last time your party tripped over the truth was in the Eisenhower administration. Like oil and water you are with truth. Politico ranked the lies of Clinton and Trump. Clinton does lie as all pols have to do but she does at a rate that is very standard. Trump lies off the scale,higher than any pol ever measured. In fact he never tells the truth basically. They estimate he lies ever three minutes.

So if you want the truth, you really want the truth, you cannot handle the truth. You just want lies you sad people who nominated a sociopath liar.

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sigh

You right! I am making a point about watch it. That is because of how relevant it is.

You got guys who work directly for the DNC who train, hire and pay people to go to Trump rallies and cause violence and perform voter fraud (AKA Bernie Sanders) with video evidence.... and than you have Obama telling people not to whine?

MY! WHAT A GREAT CLASS OF SERFS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

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That is because of how relevant it is.

It's only relevant if you are not able to filter reality from youtube: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

Maybe try fact-checking yourself and seeing if what you are believing isn't just confirmation bias before posting it.

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"Remember when Trump said he saw tens of thousands of Muslim Americans cheering on Sept 11? That's a good memory for a President."

He did fog up a bit and referred to it as 7/11 later on.

This was lower than his usual trash. Revolting. Not funny. Toxic filth.

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This video was aired on FOX Sean Hannity.

This could quite possibly end Clintons campaign!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

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Trump supporters posting links to conspiracy theories awesome!Desperate times calls for desperate measures I suppose...

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This video was aired on FOX Sean Hannity.

More bias from the MSM.

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Remember when Trump said he saw tens of thousands of Muslim Americans cheering on Sept 11? That's a good memory for a President.

Or how about when Hillary said in Bosnia she was pinned down by sniper fire, even though there wasn't any that the soldiers saw, but she said there was.

The last time your party tripped over the truth was in the Eisenhower administration. Like oil and water you are with truth. Politico ranked the lies of Clinton and Trump. Clinton does lie as all pols have to do but she does at a rate that is very standard.

Not according to Wikileaks.

Trump lies off the scale,higher than any pol ever measured. In fact he never tells the truth basically. They estimate he lies ever three minutes.

You do know that the majority of Journalists that work at politico are mostly liberals. As for Trump lies, he does, but at least he's more honest and direct about his lies.

So if you want the truth, you really want the truth, you cannot handle the truth. You just want lies you sad people who nominated a sociopath liar.

So why would stupid people vote for Hillary then???

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he's more honest and direct about his lies.

Oh my god, I literally laughed out loud when I read this, and that almost never happens!

Honest about his lies!!!

You didn't read what you wrote before clicking submit, did you.

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Trump is a Japan basher....hope he loses by a landslide......

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"Trump supporters posting links to conspiracy theories awesome!Desperate times calls for desperate measures I suppose..."

I admire the honesty. Posting links to Sean Hannity is like being proud of posting photos of your knob.

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That is because of how relevant it is.

Star Wars is relevant...and fiction...

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bass4funk: "So why would stupid people vote for Hillary then???"

They're not -- Trump's got you wrapped around his little fingers so you will take the fall (and you'll honestly enjoy it!) for him.

"Put down the Tequila for a moment."

Just because double fisting it doesn't mean others are drinking, bud -- not that I blame you; Trump supporters were either alcoholics before or became them in the last few weeks. But you DID equate your children with liberals -- hence my surprise. Well done!

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You didn't read what you wrote before clicking submit, did you.

I did.

I admire the honesty. Posting links to Sean Hannity is like being proud of posting photos of your knob.

Or we could just post links from other one-sided liberal posts and get the one-sided news. Thank God for Wikileaks, now that we can see how corrupt Hillary is and how much she lied, cover up, in total collusion with the FBI and with a large portion of the media in her pocket, we now know the depth and level of corruption from this woman. Fascism is on the rise and on the march once again.

They're not

Oh, that's a real confidence booster. LOL

-- Trump's got you wrapped around his little fingers so you will take the fall (and you'll honestly enjoy it!) for him.

Judging by reading a bunch of those Wikileaks, I think it's the other way around.

Just because double fisting it doesn't mean others are drinking, bud -- not that I blame you; Trump supporters were either alcoholics before or became them in the last few weeks. But you DID equate your children with liberals -- hence my surprise. Well done!

When I was working at NBC about 80& of the staff were liberals and I remember a lot of crazy tequila shots bouncing off....well, let's just say, liberals know how to polish off a bottle or two...three...

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Anyone (including politicians such as Obama and Kasich) who claim 'no rigging' but who don't address that Hillary got in the 2016 Democratic primary a 9-point spread between polls and election results in states with electronic voting machines with no paper trail vs a 1-point spread in states with machines with paper trails, is either ignorant or dishonest. And I really don't think a successful politician is going to be ignorant about polls vs election results. They're very aware.

And are we really supposed to believe that in a country where a district Attorney General claimed 100K illegal votes and 63 convictions just in Chicago (around '82 or '85), that things have improved that much that there is no significant voter fraud today. After six modern Presidential elections were significantly affected by voter fraud, 'significant' as in enough to change the final result?

nishikat: But no one has been arrested. (other than the 30 out of 1 billion).

nishikat: It's fiction anyway. What is not fiction is arrest reports for voter fraud. They cannot provide any of those. Again, in relevant history it has been 30 in one billion.

The figure of 31 incidents (240+ votes) out of 1 billion votes is from law professor Justin Levitt's (sic?) study claiming only 31 incidents of in-person voting fraud nationwide over 14 years.

It's not the total arrest count or cases resulting in conviction count. It's only for the category of in-person fraud and only for what Levitt (or his grad students) found, probably searching databases.

Even the Democrats don't believe your numbers, or that rigging is not going on. A Democratic election chief in Manhattan was videoed describing how widespread election fraud is implemented in NYC (he didn't know he was being videoed).

One of the Podesta emails describes Hillary friends who are election consultants and who think Obama flooded the 2008 primary with illegal voters.

That Democrats and other politicians are claiming 'no rigging' now is just a position point they are pushing to the media and the electorate. They don't believe that themselves. It's probably a point on 'talking points' texts distributed to politicians, media, and other fellow travelers (because, you know, emails are hackable now).

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That Democrats and other politicians are claiming 'no rigging' now is just a position point they are pushing to the media and the electorate. They don't believe that themselves.

That doesn't stop them from trying to believe it doesn't exist.

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this is not news. this is a bought and paid for ad by the executive branch and clinton campaign.

National Poll: Trump Leading 67% To Hillary’s 19% Of 50,000 Voters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaOoFH8HHrk

the polls are rigged and there is massive vote fraud going on by the dems. its like a banana republic.

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JefferyDomer: watcht the video and tell it is not damning, or explain what is wrong with it....

Strangerland: I just googled it, and snopes cuts it apart: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

This exactly is what I mean about snopes pretending to investigate something, addressing (or even not addressing) a minor point, and declaring victory / debunking.

Most of this snopes page about yesterday's (!) video is rehashing complaints about the Acorn takedown. Mostly complaining about O'Keefe wearing a pimp suit and about him selectively editing surreptitious videos of Acorn employees, way back in 2009.

Then way down at the bottom, snopes quotes an attempt at redemption made by Manhattan elections commissioner exposed in the recent videos.

But in their 'takedown', they link to an NYPost article that has a much fuller and more damning description of the commissioner's video, including multiple direct quotes by him describing actual voter fraud. Filled with points snopes doesn't address in their 'debunking'. Snopes puts the link in their article, and quotes from it, and attempts (badly) to use the quote to explain away the commissioner's fuller comments. So it's clear they read the NY Post article. But in effect, they're doing exactly what they blame O'Keefe for doing. And only pull out one quote which they attempt to flip around to support their whitewashing.

They also remove relevant information from their quote block, relevant enough that it can't be innocent, unless they're stupid. I'm talking Snopes removing "Reached Monday night" (and 11 other paragraphs!) from their excerpt of the NY Post's article, making it look like the commissioner made his redemptive comments to the videographer, rather than in a followup to the Post.

Snopes:

... The videographer asked point-blank, “You think they should have voter ID in New York?” ¶ Schulkin responded, “Voters? Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud.” ¶ Schulkin defended his videotaped remarks, with slight revisions. ¶ “I should have said ‘potential fraud’ instead of ‘fraud,’” he said. ¶ But he reiterated his support for a voter ID requirement. ¶ He recalled a woman asking him a lot of questions the night he was recorded. ¶ “She was like a nuisance. I was just trying to placate her,” he said.

NY Post, linked to from Snopes' article (http://nypost.com/2016/10/11/elections-official-caught-on-video-blasting-de-blasios-id-program/):

The videographer asked point-blank, “You think they should have voter ID in New York?” ¶ Schulkin responded, “Voters? Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud.” ... (11 paragraphs later!) ... Reached Monday night, Schulkin defended his videotaped remarks, with slight revisions. ¶ “I should have said ‘potential fraud’ instead of ‘fraud,’ ” he said. ¶ But he reiterated his support for a voter ID requirement. ¶ He recalled a woman asking him a lot of questions the night he was recorded. ¶ “She was like a nuisance. I was just trying to placate her,” he said.

In fact, in the NY Post article, the commissioner says:

Manhattan Democratic representative on the city’s Board of Elections ... (election) Commissioner Alan Schulkin ... "He gave out ID cards, de Blasio. That’s in lieu of a driver’s license, but you can use it for anything ... But they didn’t vet people to see who they really are. Anybody can go in there and say, ‘I am Joe Smith, I want an ID card,’  ... It’s absurd. There is a lot of fraud. Not just voter fraud, all kinds of fraud . . . This is why I get more conservative as I get older. ... The law says you can’t ask for anything. Which they really should be able to do, ... I believe they should be able to do it," ... (The videographer asked point-blank, “You think they should have voter ID in New York?”) ... "Voters? Yeah, they should ask for your ID. I think there is a lot of voter fraud. ... You know, I don’t think it’s too much to ask somebody to show some kind of an ID . . . You go into a building, you have to show them your ID" ... (in some parts of the city) “they bus people around to vote . . . They put them in a bus and go poll site to poll site. ... (Asked which neighborhoods), ... “I don’t want to say.” ... (When the undercover mentions black and Hispanic neighborhoods, Schulkin responded), “Yeah . . . and Chinese, too.” ... "Oh, there’s thousands of absentee ballots . . . I don’t know where they came from," ... (The undercover offered that “people can cover their faces” to shield their identity when voting, which triggered a conversation about burqas.) ... “The Muslims can do that, too. You don’t know who they are,” Schulkin said. ... “I mean, I know everything is done with good intentions, but a lot of bad results.” ...

All of these quotes are from an article Snopes evidently read, because they quote from it, but they directly contradict Snopes' attempted debunking of the video.

And they're from the Democratic election commissioner for one of the most populous districts in Hillary's home state!

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"Trump under investigation for tax fraud"

Whoops.

http://youtu.be/RQauccrEEuQ

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"WIKILEAKS 12 JUST RELEASED: FBI Email Coverup, Clinton's Campaign Does Not Trust Clinton"

Whoops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTM88Xj4GrU

"O'KEEFE VIDEO: O'Keefe Video Proves Rigged Election. Hillary Clinton Might Win From Election Fraud"

Whoops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYohxEHQQsU

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"Trump caught not paying his election workers."

This is going to be yuuuuuge.

https://youtu.be/qVMW_1aZXRk

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SuperLib: "Trump under investigation for tax fraud" ... Whoops. ... http://youtu.be/RQauccrEEuQ

SuperLib: "Trump caught not paying his election workers." ... This is going to be yuuuuuge. ... https://youtu.be/qVMW_1aZXRk

But your linked vids' titles, though ...

http://youtu.be/RQauccrEEuQ

Most Exciting Player in USC Football History || RB Reggie Bush Highlights

https://youtu.be/qVMW_1aZXRk

Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton Town Hall Debate Cold Open - SNL

Donald Trump (Alec Baldwin) and Hillary Clinton (Kate McKinnon) take questions from undecided voters ...

SNL as in 'Saturday Night Live' ...

Typical responses ... not countering the posts debunking the Thomson Reuters article, not countering the posts debunking snopes ...

Instead just tossing up spam and hoping no one notices ...

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Sorry Turbo I thought the joke was to post YouTube links that obviously no one would bother to watch. I didn't realize that people were actually watching the videos.

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GO HILLARY ! ! !

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Sorry Turbo I thought the joke was to post YouTube links that obviously no one would bother to watch. I didn't realize that people were actually watching the videos.

I got news for you as well, the majority of Americans could care less what Trump did 30 years ago, they care more about the issues and if Dems want to be stupid and make the central issue what he allegedly did, then that indicates the Only thing Dems care about is just deflecting from the issues and making Trump look as bad as she can, while covering up her own rear.

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Interesting reading the mental somersaults the hillary crowd spouts over the corruption revelations in the videos. Folks, believe it or not, most of us have woken up from the Kool aid stupor. And it's about damn time too!!

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Interesting reading the mental somersaults the hillary crowd spouts over the corruption revelations in the videos.

You don't make yourself look good by believing videos that have been torn apart and shown to be fancy editing: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

You should try fact checking yourself sometime.

believe it or not, most of us have woken up from the Kool aid stupor.

It's ironic that you would state that, while referring to a video that shows you have just changed the flavor of Kool-ade you are drinking.

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the majority of Americans could care less what Trump did 30 years ago

Then why are even Republicans abandoning him left right and center?

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Ignoring, 9 posts up from yours, the post I made shredding your snopes link, and which you didn't bother responding to.

How does that new flavored Koolade taste?

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You don't make yourself look good by believing videos that have been torn apart and shown to be fancy editing:

LOL seriously? You're going to use context excuse here despite the crooks involved being dismissed? It's clearly a 16 minute edit not an hour special. It doesn't in anyway nullify the fact that your heroine and her ilk are complicit in the most corrupt shenanigans of our time. And it's all done in broad daylight.

Keep on kickin that can sir!! Zeus help us all!!

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You're going to use context excuse here despite the crooks involved being dismissed?

Yeah. If you want people to take you serious, you shouldn't believe these ridiculous videos.

Now, if any of the allegations actually turn(ed) out to be true, the person should be let go. And from you comment, it sounds like they were.

It doesn't in anyway nullify the fact that your heroine and her ilk are complicit in the most corrupt shenanigans of our time.

You know, other than The Chump.

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Snopes? Are you joking? Why not just use The Daily Kos or Thinkprogress as a reference. Smh.

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Folks, believe it or not, most of us have woken up from the Kool aid stupor.

Fred, thank you for sharing your experience with Kool Aid.

I have avoided Kool-Aid all my life and so don't have the experience of going into the "stupor." How can you be sure you're really awake? From my point of view, you still seem to be under the influence.

Yes, I am skeptical. Nobody for Trump can tell me they're not in some kind of stupor. He's that bad.

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Strangerland: You don't make yourself look good by believing videos that have been torn apart and shown to be fancy editing: http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/18/project-veritas-election-videos/

Your snopes link has been debunked in this very thread: https://www.japantoday.com/category/world/view/obama-disputes-trump-on-rigged-election-tells-him-to-stop-whining#comment_2289629

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As President Obama so succinctly put it, Mr. Trump must address the issues and put his case forward. I could not agree more.

For example, to deal with the posited threat from North Korea Mr. Trump aired an idea during an interview on May 18, 2016 with CNN. That network reported that Mr. Trump would be willing to talk to DPRK leader Kim Jong Un "to try to stop the country's nuclear program". (How would he do that?) CNN stated that he would "pressure China to put more pressure on North Korea to change its ways." (How would he pressure China?) Mr. Trump responded that he "would put a lot of pressure on China because economically we have tremendous power over China." (My question was not answered, but I think it's safe to say economic pressure and not military pressure.)

But, there are hints of other, darker policies. Mr. Trump wrote an op-ed in the WSJ in 1999 in which he "laid out a position on North Korea" titled "America Needs A President Like Me" in which he said he would bomb North Korea if it didn't give up its nuclear ambitions." That was 17 years ago. Fewer than 2 weeks ago VP hopeful Tim Kaine said that a president should take "action" in the face of an imminent threat of attack against the US (from NK), i.e. a preemptive attack. That could likely trigger a retaliatory attack. How are Mr. Trump's 1999 opinion and Mr. Kaine's (HRC's surrogate) recent statement different,

Also this May Mr. Trump said he would be open to "allowing" South Korea and Japan to build nuclear arsenals. Mr. Trump's statement may be a threat against North Korea, but it is indirect. And, in the case of Japan, it is very unlikely that a nuclear arsenal will be built or, if one already exists, be acknowledged.

Continuing the same example, how would Sec. Clinton deal with North Korea?

On September 9, 2016 CNN reported that Sec. Clinton declined to comment on North Korea's successful missile test of that day. CNN continued, saying that "Clinton avoided commenting on Trump's North Korea positions in remarks Friday (i.d., September 9 - B. Murphy). Instead, after meeting with foreign policy experts in New York, she called for cranking up sanctions on North Korea, pushing China to do more, and drawing a line in the sand."

In her statement she said "We are not going to let North Korea pursue a nuclear weapon with the ballistic missile capacity to deliver it to United States territory." She added that "That is absolutely a bottom line."

abc.go.com reported on October 14, 2016 that "Hillary Clinton privately said (as revealed by Wikileaks- mine) the U.S. would 'ring China with missile defense' if the Chinese government failed to curb North Korea's nuclear program, a potential hint at how the former Secretary of State would act if elected president."

North Korea's tests and bellicose language have been continuing for many years. None of this is new. But, of these two main candidates only one has at least recently hinted at a new approach that clearly steps away from threats of a devastating war. In one of the greatest ironies of this election that candidate is Mr. Trump.

Sec. Clinton, in great contrast, still talks of "drawing lines in the sand" (proven safe to ignore and so inviting more aggressive behavior) and threatening the US's biggest trading partner with a "ring of defensive missiles" (which the Chinese might take as an American attempt to shield the US from a Chinese retaliatory attack (sic)) if they don't sit down with Kim Jong Un as if he were China's lap dog. ( Yes, there are Chinese military thinkers who believe the US might consider a preemptive strike against China.)

If only on this one issue there is a clear choice: Trump may offer a chance for a peaceful solution - Clinton's brinkmanship could increase the likelihood of war.

Have a nice day. (emojis don't work on my iPhone: imagine 3 smiley faces)

Now, to listen to the third debate.

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Your snopes link has been debunked in this very thread:

Yeah, that's not a debunking. It's an attempt at justifying the kool-ade belief in a video that is supposedly journalism, but shoddy at best.

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Strangerland: Yeah, that's not a debunking. It's an attempt at justifying the kool-ade belief in a video that is supposedly journalism, but shoddy at best.

A debunking, and also a series of direct, on-topic quotes from a Democratic election official, neither of which you address in any quantified way, only with a vague, off-base comment.

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Yeah, that's not a debunking. It's an attempt at justifying the kool-ade belief in a video that is supposedly journalism, but shoddy at best.

Like I said, next time, quote at least the "Daily Kos" it's funnier

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Families against corporate interests.

Only a sociopath would be deluded enough to take from corporate interests while claiming to fight them. Zeus help us all!!

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Interesting story on Sky News about the use of the Internet and targeted ads to influence people.

http://news.sky.com/story/behind-the-scenes-at-donald-trumps-uk-digital-war-room-10626155

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"Obama ... tells Trump to 'stop whining'" ...

Barack and Michelle Obama are outed as associates of Bob Creamer, one of the dirty tricks operators who was separated very recently after they were exposed by Project Veritas (Creamer resigned, the other guy was fired).

So when attorney Michelle says things like "No, our motto is, when they go low, we go high", and Barack takes similar preachy tacks, we can see they are just trying to pull the wool over their sheeples' eyes.

The corollary not spoken is: 'when they go high, we go low'.

Creamer visited the White House 342 times during the Obama administration according to its own records, and visited Barack and/or Michelle at least 47 of those times.

This is the same Bob Creamer responsible for the little old Hillary-supporting grandma who lied about getting cold-cocked by Trump supporter, who happened to be a blind man being led around by his wife. He's also the same Bob Creamer who helped Obama in 2007 with his election effort, who before that was convicted of a felony or felonies in connection with his management of a liberal PAC, and who is married to a Democratic congresswoman from Chicago.

Felon, dirty tricks operator, welcome in the White House.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/20/white-house-dodges-details-robert-creamer-visits/

Again! White House Dodges Details Of Robert Creamer Visits With Obama - 20 Oct 2016

The White House won’t explain why disgraced Democratic operative Robert Creamer visited some 342 times, including 47 meetings with President Barack Obama. ...

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bob-creamer-obama-inciting-violence-trump-rallies-met-obama/

... Official records reveal Bob Creamer, the man exposed as being behind a tactic called “bird-dogging” in which homeless people, the elderly, and mentally ill individuals are paid to start violence at Trump rallies, has been to the White House many times since 2009. ... A good portion of those meetings involved face-to-face time with President Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama. ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/587aib/obama_why_is_your_wife_seen_here_with_robert/

(photo headline): Obama, Why is your wife seen here with Robert Creamer?

And as Breitbart is a site some dare not expose their eyes to, note the NYT is reporting on Creamer, Foval, and the dirty-tricks-grandma, as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/video-dnc-trump-rallies.html

Videos Put Democrats on Defensive About Dirty Tricks - OCT. 20, 2016

... Mr. Foval appeared to claim that his group had trained a 68-year-old woman who breathes with the help of an oxygen tank and was knocked to the ground during a confrontation at a Trump rally in North Carolina last month. ...

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Oh, has the right invented another scandal?

The nice thing is that its so close to the election, and it's so likely that Hillary is going to win, that it's not even worth the time to bother acknowledging their so-called scandals anymore.

The right has killed their credibility. Too many years of creating wolves that they then cry about, two many years of blocking progress, too many years of trying to come up with new ways to suppress minorities. Too much Trump.

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Why are Amerikans whining about this? Have you forgotten the countless leaders like Afganistans drug lord Karzai? Those kind of rigged elections???

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Strangerland: Oh, has the right invented another scandal?

Caught on tape, one dirty tricks controller fired, one resigned. Caught on tape as well, the Democratic Manhattan election commissioner's extensive description of how elections are rigged in NYC.

Weak attempt at deflection on your part ... and 'invented' is pretty rich, after the last few weeks ...

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Of course the elections are rigged. Were it no so, Hillary would already be president, and Obama would still be a senator. I caucused for Hillary back in 2008, and those who worked in the campaigns knew all of the crap that was pulled. That's not to say that Hillary's supporters' hands were clean, but Obama's supporters were very well orchestrated (Chicago is infamous in how it exercises "democracy"). Though polls are fairly accurate for deterring results, in states were caucusing rules were the loosest, Obama managed to win, despite losing in these states' the polls. In states were caucusing rules were more stringent, results matched the polls.

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Sixteen crucial states will use voting machines supply by pro Hilary company with history of irregularities so the loophole is there.

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It has been proven many times that the Democrats have stuffed ballot boxes or otherwise been involved in illegal voting for generations, especially in the last few elections. They arranged for thousands of illegals to register and vote for Obama. Colorado found at least 5,000 unlawful voters, mainly of Mexican origin, in the last presidential election. In addition thousands of dead were found to have voted in Chicago and many other cities, mainly in the Eastern USA. Only US citizens are allowed to vote. The Democrats have blocked official identification for voters to facilitate illegal voting. Obama tried to block US Military from voting because they usually vote conservative. Unfortunately many were kept from voting do to the confusion he caused. Most voting is controlled by the individual states, rather then the Federal Government but mail and Military voting must have cooperation of some federal agencies.

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Overseas US voter registration in Israel jumped 60% for this election ... I wonder how they check voter registration? Like NYC does (not)?

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I wouldn't bet on Trump not winning. After all, Leicester won the Premier League!

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Yet another article that could come straight from the Clinton campaign. The so-called “mainstream” press — which WikiLeaks has revealed to be little more than a Hillary super PAC, continues this ridiculous flood of propaganda. Thanks to the internet, and the over-the-top hubris of the media, many people have now woken up to it. Which explains the Trump revolution.

But here on this side, the hold-outs who simply parrot the media headlines without looking further still dominate. Tempted to call them the "basket of gullibles".

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People who get their news from Youtubers calling others gullible.

Classic.

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