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The only good news is that not one single republican voted for this form of robbery. The democrats are sunk in the 2010 elections. Voting liberals out of office is always a good thing for America.

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If health care reform is even moderately successful, the Republicans will find their party on the trash heap of history. This is why they have fought so tenaciously to stifle it.

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What a wonderful Christmas present this would be to the people of America! I guess the only question now is who will be the new party that replaces the soon-to-be-extinct Republicans?

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Well, as Sarge oft says, the Democrats control 60 votes.

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Typical democrats: raise taxes with no foreseeable benefits in return.

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For the most part the main parts left in the bill are the payouts to the hold out dems like Landreau and Nelson to buy their votes. It's going to raise taxes right away and its "benefits" won't be seen for four years. Yet another way by democrats to bilk us taxpayers out of money.

All in all, the passing of this bill will be for the best for my nation. Not because it's a good bill, but because it's going to get the dems/liberals running it in Congress thrown out. That's always good for America.

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Major, major Props to Obama. This was maybe the central pillar of the Cloward-Piven strategy, which American progressives have been working on for decades. I almost feel sorry ordinary Americans. But wealth distribution, even by force,is what we voted for.

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The Democrats own this fiasco.

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After Manchester United victories, nothing brings more pleasure than to watch you Yank right wingnuts have your kitty fits over anything that smacks of social progress. But take heart, lads -- I think laws prohibiting the teaching evolution are still on the books in several states south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

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Thanks to Ben Nelson (D-dinosaur) of a for assuring a conservative republican landslide victory in both houses in 2010, but Sen. cave-a-lot has done just that with his 60th vote for the senate version of Obamadisasterhealthcare.

Heh, it's going to be like shooting birds in a baited field at the polls in November 2010 and the democrats will be the birds. Dems will lose control of both houses. Republicans will then vote to change all this mis-guided Obama legislation passed by Pelosi/Reid and their wingnut buddies. Obama will likely veto most of the republican bills at the insistance of his "idealogy above common sense" group of F-Troop advisers; thus ensuring that he will face certain defeat in 2012.

Conservatives can always count on the idealogically driven left to screw up so badly they lose all power.

Also, what's a Manchester United?

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If the democrats are going to have control, I want them to have total control so that there is no doubt who is doing all the damage to America.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/19/the_health_care_bill_is_political_suicide_99590.html

They are ensuring a republican majority for at least another generation.

Go, dems, go! Thanks.

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anything that smacks of social progress

Yeah, and Wales is getting close to realizing its goal national of a mere 26 weeks - one half of a year - from referral to hospitalization.

Heh, some "social progress".

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I'd like to thank the republicans for fighting this bill so hard and unsuccessfully. They tried every angel, every game they could think of to stop this bill.

I don't know what will happen in 2010, but I know that many more people will have access to health than they did in 2009. I know that I voted for this bill to be passed.

This is one happy voter.

The republicans cry about the buyout of democratic congressmen like the republicans have never done that. They are so above that. < :-)

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The only winners in this atrocity is the Insurance companies, Big Pharma and the trial lawyers. They're going to get 30 million new customers that are now forced to buy their products without having to lift a finger to get their business or provide any innovation to improve their services to attract customers. Talk about a racket.

One good note though in this bureaucratic nightmare. They did drop the requirement for bonafide overseas residents to have to purchase a stateside insurance. At least that is one windfall profit that the insurance companies will be denied. You can thank the efforts of this non-partisan organization to make that happen.

In their present formulations, both bills specifically exclude overseas Americans from proposed mandatory US health insurance coverage. Language in the initial Senate health plan that would have imposed an excise tax on Americans residing abroad has been removed, and a specific exclusion has been added. The House health care package excluded overseas Americans from its inception.

The Wall Street Journal (online.wsj.com) ecently published an interesting comparative chart on various provisions of the two health care proposals (as well as on President Obama’s stances, to the extent known).

ACA continues to follow the evolution of the health bills carefully. It is very pleased to see that both the House and Senate bills now consider bona fide residents overseas to have medical coverage, so that they will not be subject to penalties for not having a US health plan. ACA actively advocated with the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee as well as with the Senate Finance Committee to obtain this. Provisions for funding the legislation are also likely to affect Americans overseas, whether they be additional taxes on high incomes, or increased deductions for Medicare and Social Security (which would affect American-owned businesses abroad).

http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=352&Itemid=2

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"After Manchester United victories, nothing brings more pleasure than to watch you Yank right wingnuts have your kitty fits over anything that smacks of social progress. But take heart, lads -- I think laws prohibiting the teaching evolution are still on the books in several states south of the Mason-Dixon Line."

Props , beelzubub. I was hoping we could turn this into a general hate on America thread.You have shown the way on this one.

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Oh, and if you are an American living in a foreign country and paid in the local currency, you can thank Obama, even if you are not a progressive. The dollar is going to take a serious hit when this bill goes into law. Way beyond the already historic low it has touched recently.The Dow is going to drop, but as a progressive, I have no problem with that. I feel a little guilty about not paying my share of the 1 trillion in new taxes it will take to bring enlightened healthcare to all Americans (and undocumented workers) but I am pretty sure the bill will tax even those of us living outside of America.

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If you've got lots of money and health insurance then I can understand why you don't want this bill passed. It might mean that you gave to give up a few bucks.

But if you're not swimming in money and you have a preexisting medical condition then this bill is what you've been waiting for.

But what gets me is why poor republicans are so against this. Are you so fulfilled by the republican party that you dismiss something that helps you. < :-)

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With no bi-partisan support, the democrats own this monstrosity.

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In 50 years they will celebrate this health care bill/Obama/and the democratic congress for passing this bill. It will he hailed like social security is now. It's not perfect, but the number of people that benefit is so massive.

Then it will be remembered that the republicans voted against health care for everyone. They wanted health care only for those with money or a union that pays most of it. If you can't afford health care, republicans could care less. < :-)

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the number of people that benefit is so massive

Insurance companies, the illegals and those who don't bother paying their taxes will indeed benefit from The Obama Memorial Healthcare Scam.

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The U.S. liberals really blew it by turning on the Americans people; insulting them and ramming bad legislation through Congress against popular opinion.

Heckuvajob, dems.

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The gigantic bucket loads of money that the Insurance companies is why they and the republicans have been fighting this bill so hard. Hardly.

Still with the illegal aliens, huh? And they will get their insurance policy where? < :-)

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I don't know what will happen in 2010, but I know that many more people will have access to health than they did in 2009. I know that I voted for this bill to be passed.

This is one happy voter.

adaydream, the provisions of this bill will not be in effect until 2013. the only thing that will start next year would be the cuts in Medicare that will help fund this bill. So those who don't have health coverage in 2009, will not see any changes until 2013.

That was one of the main points that the Reps were trying to bring out. Instead of "shotgunning" a bill into law that will not take place into 2013, why not take a little time to read it and see what it actually contains. If it is passed by the Senate, it still needs to get reconciled between the House again, so I don't think that it will be enacted until sometime in March.

I can't wait for Nov 2010 to see how the elections turn out.

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How ironic to see such sour grapes from people who accuse democrats of spending on something that will help people, while justifying the trillion dollars squandered by Bush for a totally unnecessary, criminal invasion of Iraq. As Michael Moore put so eloquently put it, "Shame on you."

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Good to know that the President and the Senate have gone along with the House in assuring their mutually assured destruction in 2010 and 2012. The American People do not want this monster, and it will show in less than ten months....

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Props to all the sour grapes Republicans who whine, piss, and moan about this amazing victory of the American people. Now that the voice of the vast, vast majority of the American people has been heard and obeyed, America is destined for many years of continuing excellent Democratic leadership beginning with Democratic victories in next year's election and moving further with President Obama's second landslide victory in 2012. Sweet!

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Beelzebub - you're not wrong.

Spend money on keeping Americans well, and it's a criminal waste.

Blow one TRILLION dollars on an entirely illegal and wanton war - oh, wrap yourself up in the flag, you patriot you.

Some people just don't see how retarded they are.

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"In 50 years they will celebrate this health care bill"

In 50 years?

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Ivancoughalot: "spending money on keeping Americans well"

This health care debacle is going to end up costing way more than a trillion dollars, and Obama and the Democrats have already spent it.

"entirely illegal and wanton war"

Is this the entirely illegal and wanton war which has resulted in a ruthless dictator brought to justice and a freely elected government that doesn't seek WMD or threaten its neighbors?

Checking...

Yeah, it is!

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With the extra money the Gov gets from this health care ponzi we can finally invade Iran. -I was getting worried and thought we might run out because the Federal Reserve cash printers are at full capacity right now.

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How many people died from basic health care (heat) in the shadow of the White House today? 15 and counting.

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Alphaape you need to check the facts. < :-)

http://www.c-span.org/pdf/health102909_housebill03.pdf

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In case you don't want to check out the link:

TOP 14 PROVISIONS THAT TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY

BEGINS TO CLOSE THE MEDICARE PART D DONUT HOLE — Reduces the donut hole by $500 and institutes a 50% discount on brand-name drugs, effective January 1, 2010. IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THE UNINSURED UNTIL EXCHANGE IS AVAILABLE (INTERIM HIGH-RISK POOL) — Creates a temporary insurance program until the Exchange is available for individuals who have been uninsured for several months or have been denied a policy because of pre-existing conditions. BANS LIFETIME LIMITS ON COVERAGE—Prohibits health insurance companies from placing lifetime caps on coverage. ENDS RESCISSIONS—Prohibits insurers from nullifying or rescinding a patient’s policy when they file a claim for benefits, except in the case of fraud. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENTS’ INSURANCE— Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain on their parents’ insurance policy, at the parents’ choice. ELIMINATES COST-SHARING FOR PREVENTIVE SERVICES IN MEDICARE—Eliminates co-payments for preventive services and exempts preventive services from deductibles under the Medicare program. IMPROVES HELP FOR LOW-INCOME MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES—Improves the low-income protection programs in Medicare to assure more individuals are able to access this vital help. PROVIDES NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS IN MEDICARE ADVANTAGE— Prohibits Medicare Advantage plans from charging enrollees higher cost-sharing for services in their private plan than what is charged in traditional Medicare. IMMEDIATE SUNSHINE ON PRICE GOUGING—Discourages excessive price increases by insurance companies through review and disclosure of insurance rate increases. CONTINUITY FOR DISPLACED WORKERS—Allows Americans to keep their COBRA coverage until the Exchange is in place and they can access affordable coverage. CREATES NEW, VOLUNTARY, PUBLIC LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PROGRAM—Creates a long-term care insurance program to be financed by voluntary payroll deductions to provide benefits to adults who become functionally disabled. HELP FOR EARLY RETIREES—Creates a $10 billon fund to finance a temporary reinsurance program to help offset the costs of expensive health claims for employers that provide health benefits for retirees age 55-64. COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS—Increases funding for Community Health Centers to allow for a doubling of the number of patients seen by the centers over the next 5 years. INCREASING NUMBER OF PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS — Provides new investment in training programs to increase the number of primary care doctors, nurses, and public health professionals. PREPARED BY OFFICE OF SPEAKER PELOSI – OCTOBER 29, 2009 < :-)
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Private health insurance stocks have surged with the development of this bill. Follow the money. Obama in his unseemly scramble to get votes whatever the cost has now set up a system where the government will force citizens to buy health insurance from a private health insurance monopoly. Obama campaigned against individual mandates for buying insurance. That is now part of the bill. Obama campaigned that that health insurance reform would be funded through repeal of the Bush tax cuts on the rich. It is now going to be funded through new taxes.

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It won't be perfect by a long shot, but it's a start. It could have been perfect if republicans weren't on the side of insurance companies and trying to kill it period, it could be so much better. < :-)

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The other thing they've done to buy the drugs companies support is kept it illegal to "re-import" drugs from Canada. So the drugs companies will continue to charge huge rates in the US. There there is the deal that Nelson cut where the feds will pick up the cost of the extension of Nebraska's costs. No other state gets that deal. The whole thing is just an orgy of payoffs to the insurance companies, drugs companies, and a few hold out senators. Hard to see how this is going to be much of a benefit to anybody. The prediction is that costs will continue to rise. The whole system will go broke just like social security....

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Social Security isn't broke. And if the money stolen from social security to prop up the general funds was replaced it would be bulging at the seams with money. < :-)

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Its too wonderful.

I just wish the Democrats representing my state had held out for the kind of special incentives Nelson won for Nebraska (100 million) and Landrieu got for Louisiana (300 million!).

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As far as this all being sour grapes for the GOP only, I guess we've missed the town hall apearances by Democrats, where hundreds have shown up, questioning the different Senators and Representatives who support this National Healthcare-Obama-led Travesty and couldn't answer in the face of FACTS. I gues we also missed the opinion polls which showed a vast majority of Americans don't want this health care monstrosity.

Oh, and by the way, this thing in Japan of Ambulances with emergency cases being turned away for lack of facilities or equipment ot handle trauma cases? This Health Care thing merely opens the door for the same to happen in the USA...

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Personally I wonder Obama is ready to sign the bill. I don't know how much his specific needs have been reflected in the debate. My impression is that he seems to let the Congress handle the issues too much, rather than articulating what he really needs.

And, I still don’t know whether the Congress are able to discourage the meddling from the Washington lobbyists and health care industries-- those who are standing between patient and doctor.

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