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"The United States is the only developed nation that does not have a comprehensive national health care plan for all its citizens"

Yeah, well, we also don't have a comprehensive national baby sitting plan. We're not a socialist nation - yet.

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"intense public skepticism"

How can this be?

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Oh the evils of socialism in the USA: the US military, coast guard, police, NASA, most roads & bridges, Medicare, US Post ...

You live in a fantasy world if you believe that "socialism" is not already in America. In fact your security depends on collective action, your economy depends on public roads, just like every other developed nation.

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ObamaCare: When the 15% solution became the 100% problem.

The United States Government has been proudly Socialist since 1913 (Federal Reserve Act). -but what failed with communism we are trying re-enact. It's a motto of Marxism: "We must blindly go forward and forget the past"

I do believe California is worse with printing IOUs, but ObamaCash is a close second.

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The United States Government has been proudly Socialist since 1913 (Federal Reserve Act).

And yet in the time since 1913 America has become the world's most powerful nation economically, militarily, and culturally in the history of civilization.

Exactly how has socialism (however defined) hurt the United States?

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Badsy I have met many many Americans and many of them did not appear deficient between the ears (some did, but that's true everywhere). They also did not appear shy about standing up and making their views known. Certainly there are under-educated people in America, but with a little gumption a person can go to the library, on the internet, and learn more than what is being offered at school. Citizens from all developed countries have that same easy access to knowledge - but you gotta want to have it. In truly oppressive countries this would not be the case.

But without your health, everything else is second. Why some want to hamstring their fellow citizens over ideology is beyond me. You could have a perfect running capitalist (or socialist) system that serves no one, but the diktats of ideology. What good is that to anyone? A roof, some clothes, food on the table, health and security: if a nation can't or won't provide these basics (either actually or the means to acquire), then I fail to see the reason for the state (or any other entity that fails to provide the same i.e. insurance companies).

That there are 10s of millions of Americans without health insurance, millions more under-insured, and still more million at jobs only for the health coverage (what choice is that!) does not speak well of the United States' ability to function as a state for its people.

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This health debate is about health control. If it truely was about health care you wouldn't have all the doctors leaving or threatening to leave. You wouldn't have illegals with serious public diseases like drug resistant TB crossing the border and all the hospitals in California closing due to half the patient population being illegal (not paying for mandated emergency care) or on low paying Gov care (Medicare-Medicare).

The Gov needs to get serious about the medical issues/costs, innovate where needed, and start listening to the Drs that are leaving service.

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This bill is very similiar to the carbon credit fiasco. They want control, yet never talk about solar panels, wind power, innovations in electricity etc. -and nuclear power has 0 (zero) carbon emissions as it is. -->Yet Al Gore/Pelosi still want the jets.

Thru this health "plan" they are getting their foot in your door. Why don't they just give health care to the 15% that don't have it or offer a Gov plan. Some states already offer health care plans.

=their health care is not really health care. =They are trying to sell an inferior product to the 85% and make you pay more for it.

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Why are U.S. Students test scores so low = Our Gov wants it that way (that's what they pay for = that's what they get).

They are low because of "No Child Left Behind"

That there are 10s of millions of Americans without health insurance, millions more under-insured, and still more million at jobs only for the health coverage (what choice is that!) does not speak well of the United States' ability to function as a state for its people.

Obama wants to change that. < :-)

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I would have preferred they reform the education system in the US. While the excuse has been we need to catch up with the rest of the world, I think we are way behind in terms of education, unless you can afford a private one.

Badsey, keep that cheering up. Of course you know, I'd love if the gov made a better effort in using alternative energy

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The Gov will never seriously consider any alt energy ideas (until the oil/coal/nuclear system is done). Carter put up solar panels at the WhiteHouse and Reagan took them down.

Why is this? The Federal Reserve and its' owners own have a huge controlling interest in these properties. Solar Energy takes you off their system = you are not indebted to them for energy now. =Bad =they don't get your money, but it seems they are raising the fees to be connected to the grid.

You can make a solar powered water heater from a discarded refridgerator and a piece of glass. =That is basically free.

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Despite all the talk, as Badsey said, this isn't really about health care. Its definitely not about bringing down the costs of health care in this country either. They could do that, they could make things more affordable. But they won't. Its not in their interests to do so. Tort reform would be a simple solution that would massively cut costs in the health industry. But you will never see it implemented. The trial lawyers, and bar association is simply too powerful. And as Badsey says, this has never been about health care, its about health control.

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