Obama says bin Laden must not be a martyr

RedMeatKoolAid

Your foot, that smoldering bullet hole. How do you still type?

That seems to have been directed at me. I have no idea what it might mean. Can you explain?

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

The UDHR became the basis for two important international human rights treaties. The United States has ratified both of them. According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, ratified treaties are binding as the "law of the land."

You are aware that not one single Muslim nation recognizes the UDHR ?

False.

USAFdude:

How refreshing to hear intelligent discussion about taking down Osama bin Laden. How wonderful to know that President of the United States Barack Obama will be our CinC in less than a year!

That's odd. Just 24 hours ago, you were railing against Bush for not having hanged bin Laden by now (which would make him a martyr), and today you're praising Obama for saying he wouldn't hang bin Laden.

Oh wait, you were just practicing liberal doublespeak, and there's nothing odd about that.

So, obama says he'll get Osama.

And once he gets him will he protect him under the U.S. Constitution? And if his lawyers find a loop hole in due process, will he be released?

RR

Our turn for LOL. You have about the same legal acumen Barack Obama possesses.

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

OK I'll repost it with minor correction for the over-sensitive sematicists out there. I dont think the substance of my post - which you ignore - changes at all. But enjoy your LOL.

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law CODES including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The current kangaroo-court "trials" regarding US WoT detainees are a embarrassment to patriotic americans, an affront to the US Constitution, and a source of deep disgust in other democracies. And the SCOTUS has now agreed with this view (albeit slowly).

Both of the above trials may liguistically fall under the definition of "military tribunal" but that is basically all they have in common. There is no comparison to be made. Your point is ..... um .... moot.

Here - Ill spell it out further for the logic-challenged. Carrots and potatos are both "vegetables". But they are not the same.

Inconsistent?

"The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law bodies including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."

Our turn for LOL. You have about the same legal acumen Barack Obama possesses.

In what universe is a declaration ("Universal Declaration of Human Rights") an "important law [ legal ] body"?

You are aware that not one single Muslim nation recognizes the UDHR ?

Your foot, that smoldering bullet hole. How do you still type?

to the Moderator - what happened to my post about Obama's bizarre reference to the Nuremberg trials? They are referred to in the article above:

But he said the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration because the victors acted to advance universal principles and set a tone for the creation of an international order.

"Afghanistan offered to give him up soon after 9/11 and the WH idiots refused"

Really? I thought it was Bill the Thrill that missed the oppertunity...

Bin-Laden, if still alive, should be tried for his crimes - and let's face it, there's been plenty of them

Agreed. The sad thing is that a golden opportunity to do so was turned down. I dont mean the bungled Tora Bora incident. Afghanistan offered to give him up soon after 9/11 and the WH idiots refused.

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

The Nuremberg trials became the basis of several important law bodies including the Geneva Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The current kangaroo-court "trials" regarding US WoT detainees are a embarrassment to patriotic americans, an affront to the US Constitution, and a source of deep disgust in other democracies. And the SCOTUS has now agreed with this view (albeit slowly).

Both of the above trials may liguistically fall under the definition of "military tribunal" but that is basically all they have in common. There is no comparison to be made. Your point is ..... um .... moot.

Here - Ill spell it out further for the logic-challenged. Carrots and potatos are both "vegetables". But they are not the same.

Inconsistent?

Of course bin-Laden shouldn't become a martyr. Clearly some people think that martyring him to all the fundies in the Islamic world would be amusing, but I note that they are the very same people who think the so-called war on terror is a success.

'Nuff said.

Bin-Laden, if still alive, should be tried for his crimes - and let's face it, there's been plenty of them - and left to rot in international prison centre in total isolation 'till he snuffs it. No contact to the outside world, no telly, no visits and no books.

For a meglomaniac of this magnitude, that is far worse than a snuffing.

ramen,

I hope all your baseless slander regarding future US president Barack Obama will cease when he becomes CoC in Jan 2009....

the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration

So, to recap:

obama approves of the SCOTUS decision about granting rights to detainees. He also said on Monday that he wanted to see them have "their day in court" and cited the Nuremburg trials as the good example.

But he doesn't like the military tribunals that have been set up for the detainees however the Nuremburg trials were military tribunals.

Obviously, barack is an admirer of Ralph Waldo Emerson who wrote: "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

RR

Barack Obama opposed it.

Of course he did. Along with so many american voters and vets and unfortunate enlisted who were forced via stop-gap to participate. He also opposed the whole "plan" cough cough to invade and occupy (illegally mind you) back in 2002. Its just one more of the many ways that he is far more qualified candidate than McSame - who has consistently carried water for the war liars. Even after they slandered his war hero status in 2004.

I mean....wtf ? These GOP guys would eat their own young if no one was looking.

But he said the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration because the victors acted to advance universal principles and set a tone for the creation of an international order." Actually, I am surprised he said this statement.. I thought the new revisionist history was that America did nothing.

The more Barack Obama talks about bin Laden and Bush the more you know he is trying to distract voters from weighing results of a much more relevant test of leadership ability that he faced and failed just last year.

John McCain was for the surge in Iraq, and at a time when few gave it a chance.

Barack Obama opposed it.

Wrong thread dude! This thread is about Obama saying we mustn't kill the man who ordered the 9/11 attacks.

LOL. Wrong analysis dude! The thread is actually about Obama's reasonable comments which signal the possibility that the US may actually be on the cusp of having an administration that can effectively use diplomacy, adhere to basic legal principles, and in so doing decrease threat of terrorism ... rather than increasing it and participating in it as the current square peg in the WH has.

DXXJP - Wrong thread dude! This thread is about Obama saying we mustn't kill the man who ordered the 9/11 attacks.

AND will even read news papers and books as well.

And not just my pet goat or the funny pages.

Skip - The number of people in the world who wouldn't mind seeing Binny become a martyr has got to be in the tens of millions.

Good point, the Romans made a martyr out of JC and look at all the fundies running around as a result :). Seriously, I hope both candidates continue to discuss both this and other important issues confronting the US (and the world) rather than resorting to the bottom-feeding tactics previously employed by GOP chicken hawks, etc.

*start = stark

This is the guy who takes advice from Jimmy Carter!

You say it as if there is something inherently wrong about advice from Jimmy Carter. I'm sure he will collect advice from a wide range of opinions AND will even read news papers and books as well. This is of course in start contrast to the incurious and criminally ignorant current US pres

" “I refuse to be lectured on national security by people who are responsible for the most disastrous set of foreign policy decisions in the recent history of the United States,” Obama said "

You have to let that sink in. This is the guy who takes advice from Jimmy Carter!

he said the Nuremberg trials for the prosecution of Nazi leaders are an inspiration because the victors acted to advance universal principles and set a tone for the creation of an international order.

Its shocking to hear any mention at all of principles of Nuremberg trials in US mainstream political discussion. It would be a huge step forward if US started reasonably adhering to the standards defined in those trials. Interesting times ahead if Obama wins presidency.

“I refuse to be lectured on national security by people who are responsible for the most disastrous set of foreign policy decisions in the recent history of the United States,” Obama said in opening remarks that in part referred to the Iraq war.

Ouch. McSame was pwned

There are millions of people who wouldn't mind seeing Binny become a martyr."

How many millions?

Here you have a convert saying he is going to grad an almost god like figure. He is playing with fire and I like it!

There are millions of people who wouldn't mind seeing Binny become a martyr.

I'd like to see him brought to justice also, but that being said I just want to see him come to some measure of justice.

I'm not sure that he's alive, but he won't be captured before the election. Just my prediction.

I'm not sure about Barack's comments. Little robust. < :-)

Obama says bin Laden must not be a marty" Let's just hope there won't be a fatwa against him due to this.

Folks, it's like I have said all along. Umm, it's in my books. It's on the web-site thingy. "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Come on Obama, I love ya but OBL is dead, DEAD. He's deader than Britney Spears' career.

How refreshing to hear intelligent discussion about taking down Osama bin Laden. How wonderful to know that President of the United States Barack Obama will be our CinC in less than a year!