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I don't understand, I thought the president did great in the debate.

And this Reuters/Ipsos poll is obviously bogus, how could Romney pull ahead of the president?

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“Maybe this is because I played a lot of sports when I was a kid, and still do,” he said. “If you have a bad game, you just move on. You look forward to the next one. And it makes you that much more determined. The difference between this and sports is that the stakes are so high.”

So now the ball is back in the Obama court??

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"Bad night" is an understatement. If I had to defend an indefensible record of failed policies, I'd be saying "uhhh...." The whole time myself.

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So now the ball is back in the Obama court??

To screw up more??, yes, methinks!

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He should have saved these excuses for when he's reflecting on his one-term presidency.

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A new day, a new excuse. Add "a bad night" to:

That wasn't the Mitt Romney I knew ......

Romney lied ......

The moderator was bad ....

I wasn't used Denver's altitude .....

etc., etc., etc........

If Obama can't even defend himself in an unfiltered debate with a rival over policies that he personally oversaw, how in the hell can we Americans expect him to run our country?

Oh wait....

RR

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That was only round one.

Obama has two debates remaining in which to redeem himself.

And Romney has to try and make it through without gaffs...

Then there's the VP debate tonight...

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bass4funk: ""Bad night" is an understatement. If I had to defend an indefensible record of failed policies, I'd be saying "uhhh...." The whole time myself."

Then you ought to just type 'uhhh...', don't you think? or at least admit you support a party that can do and only does that.

Obama was bad, of that there is no doubt, but it doesn't make the worse person (ie. Romney) any better. I mean, does that guy actually HAVE any policies?

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As shocking as it may seem, the Nov. 6 presidential election has already been decided by a coin toss. Everything else you see is just to keep talking heads in the media busy, and to milk wealthy donors of as much money as possible -- which is what US elections are really about anyway.

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How many lame excuses must be made abouttthe "bad night"? Excuses, excuses. Was it a bad hair day, too?

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”Bad night" is hardly an "excuse", Herve. It's a reasonable attempt at self-criticism. The president will do better next time, and Mitt should be very afraid....

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@Pamelot

Isn't it bad enough for you that Chris Stevens was tortured and murdered? Why did you have to glibly include rape in your list? That common sense B.S. filter should be back from the shop any day now.

Riffing off that, go look up the freshman Wisconsin state lawmaker who quoted his dad saying "some girls rape easy."

Why is it that women politicians rarely make themselves look like idiots speaking on topics like rape, abortion, etc?

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luca, I get what you mean, but disagree. Calling it a "bad night" is a lame excuse. Had he said he had ill-prepared, then that would qualify as an attempt at self-criticism.

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Heh, add "self-criticism" to my earlier list of excuses.

For a week we've heard a myriad of reasons for Obama's terrible debate, as if some unexplainable force(s) came into play to embarrass him. The truth is everyone around to world got to see the real unfiltered Obama; a person who was working at maximum capacity without the aid of a teleprompter.

Obama has always been nothing more than a manufactured wonder. Without his liberal partisans' constant attention, we witnessed Obama's spring wind down; he proved powerless, lurching and jerking along, until he finally shut down. On his own he's never been a great intellect or source of wisdom. Time and time again democrat politicians up for re-election ran from "The One" whenever he showed up to offer his support. It's time to let 'em go. He's more trouble than he's worth.

RR

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He should have stayed home and sent the chair to the debate instead.

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Obama when asked by Diane Sawyer what he would say to Biden regarding the upcoming VP debate: "Well, Joe just needs to be Joe." Are you kidding me? That's precisely the problem for the Dems, especially when he's up against Ryan. Wondering if the VP debate will have a slaughter rule...

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Since my other post got taken down, can someone verify Pamelot's claim that Ambassador Chris Stevens was raped? And was it "legitimate rape"?

If it's just idle speculation, why interject that kind of hyperbole into a serious story?

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Obama says he had a bad night at debate

Couple more bad nights at the debates and he is going to be out of a job.

Bad night" is hardly an "excuse", Herve. It's a reasonable attempt at self-criticism. The president will do better next time, and Mitt should be very afraid....

Huh? It's just a debate, where in the world does Romey have to fear anything, other than another 4 years of Obama. Or is it we should be afraid of another 4 years of Obama?

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USN,

"Are you kidding me? That's precisely the problem for the Dems, especially when he's up against Ryan. "

Why so? It seems fair to imagine Biden will unleash an onslaught on the easiest target, Ryan's extremism. Notably on the issue of abortion, Ryan's bill co-sponsored with that nut Todd Akin or even candidate Romney's latest flip-flop on abortion.

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Notably on the issue of abortion, Ryan's bill co-sponsored with that nut Todd Akin

Along with 173 other co-sponsors on a Bi-Partisan bill that was written and introduced by Rep. Chris Smith (R-New Jersey) and Dan Lipinski (D-Illinois). Are the rest of the 171 co-sponsors nuts also?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Taxpayer_Funding_for_Abortion_Act

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Good point, 171 more nuts.

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Although I was meaning Ryan's ten year relationship with Akin, recently hailing him as “a great asset” on Ryan’s budget committee and an example of “exactly the kind of leadership America needs.” Erm, yup...

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Had a bad night huh? Maybe that's why he refused to meet with Netanyahu to debate the most serious and dangerous issue facing the world today. If you have a "bad night" in that debate, something goes BOOM.

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Madverts

The only thing Biden's going to 'unleash' during the debate will be his foot squarely into his mouth, being the walking gaff that he is. Are you wonder what race Biden's going to impersonate tomorrow? His African-American act is so spot on I'd love to see him do an Asian-American. I'm sure Biden will be more fired up than Obama was (it's almost impossible not to be) but as far as effective debating goes Ryan is going to run circles around him.

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Although I was meaning Ryan's ten year relationship with Akin, recently hailing him as “a great asset” on Ryan’s budget committee and an example of “exactly the kind of leadership America needs.”

Very misleading, factually challenged and also totally debunked:

“Todd Akin has been a great asset to the House Budget Committee,” Ryan said in a joint press release last November with fellow House leaders, including NRCC Chairman Pete Sessions, and Republican Study Committee Chairman Jim Jordan. “His principled approach to fiscal responsibility is exactly the kind of leadership America needs and I appreciate his hard work.”

Akin touted Ryan’s praise as a major asset, prompting his GOP primary rivals to accuse Akin of misleading by implying Ryan had endorsed him in the race. Ryan’s spokesman quickly clarified at the time that he merely was “applauding Rep. Akin’s work on the House Budget Committee,” not giving his official backing, according to Politico.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-hailed-todd-akins-leadership-in-missouri-senate-race.php

Politico stated at the time on this in Nov 2011........

Rep. Paul Ryan hasn't endorsed Todd Akin's Senate campaign after all.

"As the release and the quote from Rep. Ryan indicate, Paul was applauding Congressman Akin's work on the House Budget Committee and praising his commitment to fiscal responsibility. There's no endorsement of Akin's candidacy referenced so not sure where that's coming from," explained Ryan spokesman Kevin Seifert.

The title on the release blares, "Reps. Paul Ryan, Pete Sessions and Jim Jordan: Akin's Principled Leadership Needed in D.C."

It also includes laudatory quotes of Akin from each member. Sessions writes, "He has my full support."

But it now looks likes Akin's team did in fact try to overplay collegial praise as an official endorsement, and count me as taking the bait.

An Akin spokesperson did not immediately respond to an inquiry.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/1111/Brunner_Akin_mislead_on_Ryanendorsement.html

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"but as far as effective debating goes Ryan is going to run circles around him."

Obama was said to do this to Romney but he clearly didn't. I realize Biden is gaffe prone, but let's not forget how Ryan is allergic to fact. There's more ammunition than needed for a seasoned politician like Biden to effectively shine a light on Ryan's dangerous extremism, and well documented failure at the fact-checker.

Honestly, as one of the more level-headed posters here I'm surprised to see you in the Romney camp. Obama's performance is debatable, but I'd rather vote blank in protest than vote for Romney, who stands for everything and nothing at the same time.

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"Rep. Paul Ryan hasn't endorsed Todd Akin's Senate campaign after all."

Who can blame him. Nothing you can dig up will change the fact that Akin and Ryan had a close relationship, right down to the pretty despicable rape definitions.

Tell me one thing though - how many of these nutcases proposing legislation on what rights women have over their own bodies happened to be of the fairer sex?

If Biden doesn't successfully lay into Ryan and the extremism he stands for, then I agree, he shouldn't be on the ticket.

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Ryan is a rookie debater, Biden is a pro, Biden should wipe the floor with Ryan, ha ha!

I just read that Biden is viewed favorably by just 39%, whilst Ryan is favorably viewed by 44%. How is this possible...

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@romeo

The truth is everyone around to world got to see the real unfiltered Obama; a person who was working at maximum capacity without the aid of a teleprompter.

Funny funny. Well, let's see how Romney does at the next debate, where he has to talk to real people and not sound like a spoiled rich twit with not an ounce of moral integrity on the policy positions he takes. And at the 3rd one where he can try convincing literate Americans that he has any clue about foreign policy besides waving the flag and doing the tough guy talk.

And BTW, two words that can sink Ryan: Ayn Rand.

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Tell me one thing though - how many of these nutcases proposing legislation on what rights women have over their own bodies happened to be of the fairer sex?

I'll start with this "extremist".

Kristen Day, executive director of Democrats for Life, doesn't get why her party continues to marginalize her point of view. "This is what the Democratic Party historically has fought for - the vulnerable, the needy and the unborn," she told me.

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/saunders/article/Where-are-pro-life-women-3839911.php

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"“Maybe this is because I played a lot of sports when I was a kid, and still do,” he said. “If you have a bad game, you just move on. You look forward to the next one. "

I'm not a Democrat, but i think that's a cool answer. Don't you Americans also say that it ain't over till the fat lady sings?

It'll probably be quite different next time.

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"I'll start with this "extremist" "

Just one eh?

Any thoughts on Romney's latest flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop- on abortion Sail?

I'd like first hand testimony of how the party faithful is adjusting to the latest strain of Denial.

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"Bad night"? Ridiculous. Obama simply had no teleprompter, so he showed what sounds like without one. Nothing more than that.

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Remember, people, Obama had a bad night. It wasn't that Romney was so great, it was Obama had a bad night.

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Herve: "luca, I get what you mean, but disagree. Calling it a "bad night" is a lame excuse. Had he said he had ill-prepared, then that would qualify as an attempt at self-criticism."

A bad night is a bad night -- whether it's being used as an excuse or is a matter of fact. Do you deny it was a bad night for Obama? I don't see how anyone could, especially someone as 'neutral' as yourself.

WilliB: "Obama simply had no teleprompter, so he showed what sounds like without one. Nothing more than that."

Ah, this tired old thing from... how many years ago? I guess you missed, or just chose to ignore, that Ryan and Romney also use teleprompters for major addresses. Seriously, you guys need something new.

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Any thoughts on Romney's latest flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop-flip-flop- on abortion Sail?

I believe he is ultimately pro-choice but has severe moral qualms about it, just as I do. He originally supported Roe vs Wade and was a pretty strong advocate for it, but over the years he also began to see some pretty bad unintended consequences with the law and on society as a whole.

He stated in 2007: That "Roe v. Wade has gone to such an extent that we've cheapened the value of human life." He followed by saying "the people should make [the abortion] decision, not the court."

And I believe he's at the point that most sane Americans have arrived to on the issue for the imperfect compromise on this horrible practice. It should remain legal in the cases of incest, rape or to save the life of the mother and though legal outside of those parameters, a pretty distasteful practice on just about every level and that also includes the Mother who has to live with the decision she makes and the emotional scar for life that abortion ultimately inflicts on a woman who chooses to have one.

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So as of yesterday Romney's firmly pro-life, yet you - someone who will obviously be voting for the man - suggests he really believes the opposite?

I'm glad you can get your head around that mate.

Romney's position on abortion is much the same as his position on everything else - it's variable on what will get him votes at the time. If he thinks this behaviour is going to sway the 10% instead of the 47% he's famously written off, I'm guessing he's sorely mistaken.

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"two words that can sink Ryan: Ayn Rand"

Heh, Obama wasn't sunk by Jeremiah Wright, what makes you think Ryan will be sunk by Ayn Rand, ha ha!

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Smith, my response was to luca. It's true that as an effect it was a bad night for Obama, but the discussion was referring to the excusing of it. My partiality is not at issue as I support neither.

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Neither really showed much on the night. Both kept their hands close to their chests. In all, meh.

Obama by nature is fairly casual in his demeanour. I still give the debate to Romney on points but to say Romney tore Obama a new one is ridiculous, Romney simply had a bit more swagger.

Unfortunately for the GOP, it is going to take a heck of a lot more to sway those that matter. Lets hope Romney has it in him.

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PlaMo, do you even know anything about Ayn Rand other than what pundits have mumbled?

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Herve: "Smith, my response was to luca."

And I responded to you, in turn, given that you were attacking the 'excuse' of it being a 'bad night' and not particularly attacking Luca's comment. As for being impartial, I sure do see you attacking Obama and Obama supporters a lot.

Serrano: "It wasn't that Romney was so great, it was Obama had a bad night."

That's exactly the case, Serrano, and likewise his support is up based not at all on who he is or what he supports (and no one knows what that is because he won't say), but because he fared well in the debate and the public is quite fickle.

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@plastic

Funny funny. Well, let's see how Romney does at the next debate, where he has to talk to real people and not sound like a spoiled rich twit with not an ounce of moral integrity on the policy positions he takes. And at the 3rd one where he can try convincing literate Americans that he has any clue about foreign policy besides waving the flag and doing the tough guy talk.

I think you should worry more about Obama doing well without his beloved teleprompter. Romney will do fine talking to the folks, as a businessman that is something he did for the last 40 years and even with the small folks, he will do just fine. He's rich and so what, good for him, he should be able to make as much as he can, I would, nothing wrong with it and nothing to be ashamed about it, that should be a motivator! It was for me growing up. And sorry, do go that route about foreign policy, Obama is in a world of sh** about his foreign policy and that is coming right back to bite him on the ass as we speak. Just hope at the next debate Obama will try to deflect and dodge and talk about his atrocious economical record, talk about issues that don't matter and if Obama can keep talking about creating jobs lower taxes and throw into question about the unemployment rate dropping from 8.1% to 7.8% so suspiciously and just stay focus Romney will be alright.

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Heh, Obama wasn't sunk by Jeremiah Wright, what makes you think Ryan will be sunk by Ayn Rand, ha ha!

lol, the big difference here is, that his boys in the Press couldn't run away from Wright fast enough, while they're exceedingly interested in any dirt on Ryan they can dig up.

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I shed a single tear because of this... oh wait, I didn't. The only reason I support Obama is because Mitt insists that his way is better (which it really isn't). If we really want to change how Washington works as US citizens we not only need to vote, but we need to write the people we elect into office. It's one of the complaints from the political leaders is that hardly anyone writes them to see how the majority of our society feels about the various issues in our country. So they end up going off on their own and following the money.

Honestly though Mr.President, you should have been ready no matter what. Thats what a debate is about.

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Poor Obama didn't have his speech writer or telepromter to tell him what to say.

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@bass

and throw into question about the unemployment rate dropping from 8.1% to 7.8% so suspiciously and just stay focus Romney will be alright

Yeah, I bet that will really pull in a lot of the undecided redneck conspiracy theorist voters. Good strategy.

@Herve

do you even know anything about Ayn Rand other than what pundits have mumbled?

That she developed a unique and half-baked social Darwinist philosophy that mocks both science and moral history. That she inspired a load of dangerous and influential political movers, including most of the neocons. I have as much interest in reading her books as I do reading Mein Kampf.

@Serrano

Obama wasn't sunk by Jeremiah Wright, what makes you think Ryan will be sunk by Ayn Rand, ha ha!

Because Ayn Rand's beliefs moral and religious vision is completely antithetical to the majority of Ryan's base: religious conservatives.

But who knows, maybe you're right. As long as their goal is to evict the bogeyman Obama, the Puritan right may not mind allying themselves with social Darwinists on the one side, and politically moderate but purely self-interested opportunists like Romney on the other.

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Actually, disregarding the the robot, soundbyte-repeating Obama performance, I thought the debate was actually not so bad. It showed a clear difference between two very different philosophies (fundamentally: "government knows best" or "individuals know best").

At least in that regard, people will have a clearly delineated choice.

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"that his boys in the Press couldn't run away from Wright fast enough, while they're exceedingly interested in any dirt on Ryan they can dig up."

You were obviously backpacking on the moon, in jail or in a cave of some sort during that part of 2008 to come out with that freshly steaming heap of historical denial Molenir?

I have to salute you hardcore Republican types.

When Romney's polls are down, they're skewed in Obama's favour. When they come up it's all legit.

When employment figures are bad, Obama bad. Employment figures improve, polls are skewed.

Fzzzzt.

And repeat.

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@Plastic

Yeah, I bet that will really pull in a lot of the undecided redneck conspiracy theorist voters. Good strategy.

You mean like Independents like me that would choose a person that has a better resume than Obama, well then, yes. By the way, if you want to call people that that would vote for a Mormon "rednecks" then you don't understand the meaning of the term. What would you call Obama supporters? "Liberally, Hippie-minded, vegan eating, cluelessly challenged?"

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@bass

What would you call Obama supporters? "Liberally, Hippie-minded, vegan eating, cluelessly challenged?"

I wasn't referring to all Romney supporters. I was responding to the assertion that the drop in the unemployment rate was a conspiracy, and questioning the intelligence of people who would think so.

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Smith, I never said I was impartial. I have indeed criticized Obama and his ilk more because he's the lesser of two weevils. But I also think Romney is a sack of suds in a fine suit. The choice presented to the electorate is between a wealth-distribution Marxist and a crony-capitalism Fascist. Death by hanging or bloodletting. Choose neither.

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PlaMo, instead of attacking what you do not know, you'd be better enlightened to read books with which you disagree. Learn for yourself and not just what you've been told by professors. Mein Kampf is a good read into the mind of that evil man. Know Thy Enemy.

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