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Nor should he.

Willard had ZERO issue with gong negative against Gingrich. WILLARD set the rules and now he doesn't want to play by them.

Hell, I guess he's a real conservative after all!

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What game does Romney want to play???? He needs to put Obama on the defense with hard hitting opposition ads…..and touting his own plan and vision…..not defending Bain. The more he defends Bain, the less time he’s talking about Obama’s failed record.

I agree.that there should have been some debate about this Bain issue during the primary…more so to innoculate Romney (as the nominee). Unfortunately, everyone that brought it up (Gingrich) was shut-up by the establishment lest he be called an anti-capitalist. Now Romney is dealing with this issue in the general. Brilliant. Like they didn’t know it was coming…yet so ill prepared in the response.

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If only I could have found someone willing to bet me, I would have won 10,000 yen that Obama wouldn't apologize for this political attack.

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Lizz - "What game does Romney want to play???? He needs to put Obama on the defense with hard hitting opposition ads…..and touting his own plan and vision.@

He doesn't have a plan, but he does have a vision: enrich the elite 1% on the backs of the working and poor classes.

But sssssshhhhhh! Don't let the conservatives in on this. It might spoil their fruitcake illusion that Mitt Romney is actually "for them"! 

Lol. :-)

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Romney probably needs to skate by relatively undefined because campaigning for a mandate of cutting entitlements and shoring up defense spending, while refusing to raise taxes on the wealthy I agree is as politically unsalable a platform as Obama has proposed in piling on the entitlements, continuing to slash defense spending and increasing taxes on the rich to stem our financial hemorrhaging. Romney is at least saying the right things: “Am I willing to borrow money from China to pay for it?” while the president is completely unapologetic for his nearly criminal deficit spending but Mitt still doesn’t have a realistic plan to fix the economy or we would have heard about it The ideal candidate I think to most Americans would balance the budget by growing jobs, lowering entitlements, cutting defense spending and increasing taxes on the privileged. Romney is definitely closest but drawing stark contrasts on issues of entitlements, defense and taxes that will bring “a dramatic change in perspective and philosophy,” and still explode the deficit is totally in the dark from a PR point.

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Obama won't apologize because he knows there's a lot more dirty laundry from1: Romney's time at Bain and 2: his tax returns that's potentially damaging and yet to be released.

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how about Obama appologising for the mess he and the Democratic Congress have given us. Of course the 350,000 new Federal employees he has hired will vote for him, not sure if a single Taxpayer will.

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Nor should he.

Willard had ZERO issue with gong negative against Gingrich. WILLARD set the rules and now he doesn't want to play by them.

Agreed, he really had to reach and "go negative" on Gingrich as Gingrich's reputation was so sterling to begin with.

Eighty-four charges of ethics violations were filed against Gingrich in 1997, resulting in his being reprimanded by the House of Representatives and fined $300,000. The ethics investigation led to his eventual resignation from Congress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/22/gingrich-ethics-violations_n_1221971.html

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Mitt is toast!

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“Mr Romney claims that he’s Mr Fix-it for the economy because of his business experience. And so I think voters entirely legitimately want to know, well what exactly was that business experience?” Obama said.

Bingo!

“Stop whining,” Emmanuel said on ABC’s “This Week” program. “If you want to claim Bain Capital as your calling card to the White House, then defend what happened at Bain Capital.”

Exactly! Again it's quite funny to watch Romney and the Republicans whine and complain when even the tiniest fraction of their main method of 'politics' comes back at them and hits them hard. Why should Obama apologize? He is exactly right -- the people ought to know the history behind the claims Romney makes that would make him the rightful president. Instead, he demands an apology! This is going to (rightfully) destroy Romney, and it's nearly as funny to watch as when the GOP was destroying itself to choose him!

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Lizz: "but Mitt still doesn’t have a realistic plan to fix the economy or we would have heard about it"

Don't worry, like everything else he will promise to clear that up after being elected. :)

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Romney should take this latest opportunity to state a few of Obama’s law-breaking actions: pulling out the rug from GM bondholders, declaring amnesty for grown adults (up to age 30), recess appts., refusing to enforce DOMA, special deals with Pharma to go along with O’care, and the list goes on.

Then he should tell the public what Bain did, contrast it with the energy loans, and use it as a speech to state clearly why capitalism is the best economic policy for all.

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Apologise? Why? The right wing did everything it could to dig up the dirt on Obama, from links to a radical preacher to questioning his nationality. That's how the game is played - sorry Mitt, your evasions and secrecy are making things worse.

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God I love DEMOCRACY! I can not wait to see that fake ass smile come off pretty boy Mitt Romney! Oh, I am super rich influential businessman, but DO NOT LOOK TOO DEEP INTO MY TAX RECORDS?? Oh, yes, stop asking this mean questions about how many millions $$ or billions $$$ I may have in off shore SECRET bank accounts that will never pay a single PENNY of USA taxes?? hahahahaha!! Pendejo!!

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smithinjapan: Exactly! Again it's quite funny to watch Romney and the Republicans whine and complain when even the tiniest fraction of their main method of 'politics' comes back at them and hits them hard. Why should Obama apologize? He is exactly right -- the people ought to know the history behind the claims Romney makes that would make him the rightful president. Instead, he demands an apology! This is going to (rightfully) destroy Romney, and it's nearly as funny to watch as when the GOP was destroying itself to choose him!

It is ironic that everything Obama accuses Romney of it is a reflection of Obama's character.

Jimizo: Apologise? Why? The right wing did everything it could to dig up the dirt on Obama, from links to a radical preacher to questioning his nationality. That's how the game is played - sorry Mitt, your evasions and secrecy are making things worse.

Romney doesn't have ads for them. I have yet to see an ad on either one of those.

The problem with the country is that it is divided into two camps with the Reublicans and Democrats. The media is the same way with liberal media and conservative media. The federal government vs the states. That is a not a good sign to come.

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Apologize for what? For telling like it is? Romney is not for helping the middle and lower class. He doesn't have a clue and only gives lip service about the problems faced by most Americans these days.

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Romney’s campaign has said he should not be held responsible for many of those decisions because

...because he was only CEO, sole shareholder, and profited from the decisions? Why would he be responsible for anything? All he did was make money while taking 3 years to prepare and sign documents. But responsibility? Oh, havens no.....not him.

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"Mr Romney claims that he’s Mr Fix-it for the economy because of his business experience. And so I think voters entirely legitimately want to know, well what exactly was that business experience?” Obama said Really? I don't recall anyone wanting to know about Obama's business experience, or any other experience either. Experience was not an issue in 2008. Why is it now?

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All he did was make money while taking 3 years to prepare and sign documents. But responsibility?

Romney did not finalize a severance agreement with Bain until 2002, a 10-year deal with undisclosed terms that was retroactive to 1999. It expired in 2009.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-07-12/politics/32633322_1_bain-capital-mitt-romney-financial-disclosure

10 years before 2009 is 1999 and that would be the active date of termination or employement with from Bain. Not 2012, those pesky facts again.

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America still has the capitalist system and making the lawful profit out of stock market not yet a crime. Bain capitol also gave fund to Obama campaign, for we are not spreading the wealth socialistic society yet. It is easy for Obama to apologize to others except his fellow American. The hyenas of Chicago style politics have a field day and the Obamabots hop on the wagon of entitlement wishing the last three years record of highest deficit, 8.2% unemployment, highest government dependency, class warfare, and divisive America will forward to..... where? same or worse record? over the cliff? Well, nothing is free and the numbers do not lie. After three years of hope and change, is this the substance of Obama's campaign to better America?

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skipbeat: "It is ironic that everything Obama accuses Romney of it is a reflection of Obama's character."

Like what?

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Kapuna, it was not an issue in 2008, because Obama didn't make his business experience a big part of his platform. It is an issue now because Romney has stated several times that he can fix the US economy because of his business experience. Obama didn't bring it up, Romney did. Read the quote that you used.

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Don't buy into the hype! Romney did NOT need to finalize a severance agreement to assign a CEO and elect a chairman of the board. What the conservatives want us to believe that Mitt did not foresee his appointment to be overseer of the Olympic Games. That being said he had all the time during his consideration for the post to ponder his Bain corporate plans. Romney was the sole stockholder . Romney was the CEO. Romney was Chairman of the Board. Romney had the power to hire a new CEO and NOBODY had any say in his decision. All he had to do is draw up the paperwork. Corporations do it all the time in a matter of days. He had well over 3 years. The question is are you stupid enough to believe he did not perform these transferal tasks because ... Wow, I can't even end that. What possible explanation can be given to anyone that knows the tiniest facts about business could be given that would explain an over 3 year delay of tasks that could be easily accomplished in days and fiduciary responsibility would dictate that should be accomplished maximum in a matter of weeks. Oh, did I forget to mention that Mitt Romney was PRESIDENT OF BAIN CAPITAL from 1999 - 2002. Geez, how stupid do these conservatives think we are to believe he could not instantly fill at least two of those essential management roles long before he finalized his severance agreement. Please explain to all the business majors out there past and present what finalizing his severance agreement had to do with hiring a new CEO and electing Chairman of the Board. By the way we can also figure out as Sole Stockholder he made his own severance agreement. Do the conservatives want us to believe that he gave that power away while holding the TOP THREE POSITIONS IN BAIN CAPITAL & once again I remind you that he was sole stockholder. For anyone who has not realized what that entails - IT MEANS HE OWNED THE WHOLE DAMN COMPANY !

Again, Who was in Charge from 1999 - 2002? Who was making the decisions? Why hasn't he or she stepped forward?

On Sunday, Ed Gillespie, a senior adviser to Mr. Romney, told CNN that the candidate had "retired retroactively" from Bain more than two years after leaving in 1999

Let's see retroactive. A rectroactive law is one that becomes official after the fact of the activity. A rectroactive pay raise is one that began before all the work one currently is doing but applies to all work done in the mean time. The pay raise goes back to an earlier time but you have been working since then!!!

I get retro; that is past or before or previously - but actively ... Can a conservative please use "actively" in a sentence to mean "not now, but before?" Or for that matter just use actively in a sentence so we understand what time frame that is referring to.

Yeah, Mitt Romney "retired retroactively" alright.

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All of these negative attack ads makes me think that, for the first time in his political career, Obama is running scared. Debate season is going to be fun, he may have to answer some questions about his first term record, the center piece of which is a very unpopular act which, not since the civil war, have so many states refused to enact.

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OK, let's assume Romney was sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president of Bain Capital from 1999 - 2002 and did not make any decisions and had zilch influence over the corporation (I won't believe that and I doubt the American public will by election time). We know it to be a fact Romney was sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer, and president of Bain Capital.

If that is his record. If that is the record he wants to run on. Maybe he just wants the title of President of the United States of America. He doesn't need to make decisions or anything, he doesn't need to actually do the work of the President; he will just have the title.

Then we can pay him when he "retires retroactively" as U.S. president.

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smithinjapan: Like what?

For example, why didn't Obama release records of how much it cost for the SS on Michelle trip to Spain in 2010? Why did the Judicial Watch have to sued to get that information in 2012? Didn't Obama promised in his 2008 campaign that he was going to be a transparent government?

Michelle Obama’s August 2010 Vacation in Spain Cost American Taxpayers $467,585 According to Records Obtained by Judicial Watch @ <http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/michelle-obamas-august-2010-vacation-in-spain-cost-american-taxpayers-467585-according-to-records-obtained-by-judicial-watch/ >

According to a Judicial Watch analysis, the records indicate a total combined cost of at least $467,585. Judicial Watch obtained the U.S. Air Force records pursuant to a March 5, 2012, FOIA lawsuit.

Another example, Obamacare which was passed behind closed doors. Again, why didn't Obama held it in the open when it was going to effect everyone? Obamacare passed, but it was done behind closed doors to begins with.

But Romney’s record at Bain is also shaping up to be something of a liability. Democrats have highlighted companies that went bankrupt or shipped jobs overseas under Bain’s ownership to argue that Romney is only concerned with helping his fellow millionaires, not working people.

It is another ironic that Obama give billions of (tax) dollars to businesses and some went bankrupt and some outsourced jobs overseas.

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It scares me that America has so much support for a weasel like Mitt. But then I remind myself that there's no way he'll actually win, and I feel a little bit better. Just a little.

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What the conservatives want us to believe that Mitt did not foresee his appointment to be overseer of the Olympic Games.

GS,

I actually owe you some credit. Your statement caused me to look into that assertion. It also brought something that I would like to share to everyone here at JT.

I found this little tidbit from Feb 12 1999......The Los Angeles Times. Romney say's he left Bain Feb 11 1999 to run the Olympics and he didn't have time to tidy up his affairs at Bain due to the short notice. True or just another bunch one of his "lies" and is hiding the truth ? You be the judge outside of todays current "Media" filter.

Two days earlier, a SLOC ethics panel had released a 300-page report detailing local misconduct during the city's bid to host the 2002 Games. Then, SLOC chairman Robert Garff assembled a "selection committee" to sift through more than 40 applications to nominate a candidate for the CEO vacancy.

Less than 48 hours later, Romney was appointed as the SLOC's third president since August 1997, when Frank Joklik replaced Welch, who resigned amid charges of spousal abuse. Joklik resigned on Jan. 8 in an attempt to quell local outrage over the Olympic scandal.

Romney, a Massachusetts Republican who campaigned unsuccessfully against Sen. Edward Kennedy in 1994, said his goal was to ensure that "these Games and the preparations leading up to the Games will comply with the highest level of ethical conduct" and proposed that any SLOC member "casting a shadow on these Games . . . step aside."

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/feb/12/sports/sp-7524

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It scares me that America has so much support for a weasel like Mitt. But then I remind myself that there's no way he'll actually win, and I feel a little bit better. Just a little.

And it scares me how the country can be so blinded for supporting a snake oil, salesman and if Obama wins a second term, we are all doomed, but hopefully there is a chance he won't.

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"if Obama wins a second term, we are all doomed"

Heh, I almost heard the drum-roll.

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It's ironic to see the repubs in shock as the democrats give them a taste of their own mud-slinging ways. Even with Rove onboard their once formidable slime machine is sputtering for Romney.

What, did Mitt honestly think he past (and subsequent refusal to she light on it) wouldn't come under intense scrutiny?

The longer he witholds those tax records the worse this is going to get for The Asset Stripper...

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skipbeat: "For example, why didn't Obama release records of how much it cost for the SS on Michelle trip to Spain in 2010? Why did the Judicial Watch have to sued to get that information in 2012?"

So what you're saying is that the information was released, right? So then, since Romney refuses to release the info, how is it then the same? How about I point out the fact that, unlike Romney, Obama DID release info on his birth records when, led by the egg-on-the-face Donald Trump, the birther movement demanded birth certificate info, claiming Obama was a foreigner? And yet, OPPOSITE of that (ie. against what you claim), Romney still won't release his info. The funniest part of the birther thing though was seeing Trump pee himself and then later still claim it was not enough proof when trying to save face! You guys really topped yourselves there!

bass4funk: "Obama wins a second term, we are all doomed, "

Bring out the armageddon placards and the same nonsense the Republicans tried when McCain and the dolt were running against Obama -- I mean, that's all they've got -- no plan, no platform, no reason... just 'if Obama wins we're in trouble' nonsense.

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skipbeat: More importantly, if you claim it is indeed ironic and the two are similar while you bash Obama for bad practices and corruption, aren't you claiming Mitt is engaging in the same thing? Don't you WANT Romney to prove he has not done wrong, or are you willing to accept his word on blind faith while ALL signs point to him lying and hiding it? Do you not realize you just proved Obama correct in his attacks and painted Romney as engaging in everything Obama says he is doing?

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skipbeat: Now THAT's irony!

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the people ought to know the history behind the claims Romney makes that would make him the rightful president

When the left demands the same from Obama what they do for Romney, then I might take them more seriously.

RR

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"When the left demands the same from Obama what they do for Romney"

Obama and Biden released 12 years of tax returns.

The left (read: everyone else on the planet other than screaming wingers) is asking Mr Romney follow suit.

What's Romney hiding from the American people?

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Obama says he won't apologize for attacks on Romney's time at Bain

Heh, this is news? Of course Obama isn't going to apologize. When has he ever taken responsibility for any of his actions?

RR

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“So, you know, as president of the United States, one of the things I’ve learned ... was anything that happens on my watch is my responsibility"...unless I have previously blamed it on Bush, Europe, or anyone else, thus...with all due respect, there is no responsibility to be taken for my gross negligence of this country over the past four years...

LMAO...

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The Obama campaign wants Romney to release multiple years of his income records for the purpose of showing the world that Romney is rich. Wealth is obviously a sin to Obama. He's been doing his best to make the number of wealthy people rare in this country (except of course the filthy rich liberal useful idiots who write campaign donation checks made payable to Barack Hussein Obama).

As for Romney's Bain timeline, has a single witness from Bain Capital, or anywhere else, come forth to contradict Romney's assertion that he left in 1999?

Bain Capital a Massachusetts-based firm, is loaded with democrats. If Romney had hidden the fact that he actually worked there past 1999, dozens of willing democrat witnesses would have already made themselves known.

So far the only thing we hear from that company and even Obama lapdog news organizations, including MSNBC an The WaPo, is that Romney is telling the truth. It is highly unlikely that people would risk their reputations to cover up for Romney.

The real falsehood here is this Bain story twisted by the Obama campaign as a way to deflect away from our miserable economy for which Obama and the democrats are responsible for.

A successful president would run a campaign based on accomplishments; not one of lies that have already been debunked my members of Obama's MSM.

RR

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"The Obama campaign wants Romney to release multiple years of his income records for the purpose of showing the world that Romney is rich."

What is Romney hiding Ramen?

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KRUGMAN:

According to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, the Romney plan would reduce the annual taxes paid by the average member of the top 1 percent by $237,000 compared with the Obama plan; for the top 0.1 percent that number rises to $1.2 million.....Again according to the policy center, Mr. Romney’s tax cuts would increase the annual deficit by almost $500 billion. He claims that he would make this up by closing loopholes, in a way that wouldn’t shift the tax burden toward the middle class — but he has refused to give any specifics, and there’s no reason to believe him. Realistically, those big tax cuts for the rich would be offset, sooner or later, with higher taxes and/or lower benefits for the middle class and the poor.

The equally true charge that he’s pushing policies that would benefit the rich at the expense of ordinary working Americans meshes with Bain’s record of earning big profits even when workers suffered — a record so stark that Mr. Romney is attempting to distance himself from part of it by insisting that he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations after 1999, even though the company continued to list him as C.E.O. and sole owner until 2002.

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What is Romney hiding Ramen?

Not much actually if his 2010 tax return is any guide. He's actually sparing us the agony of some left wing hack going through his past tax returns looking to see if he filled out page 93 Schedule Itemized deductions for owning more than three chickens not claimed under Lifestock depreciation page 193 Schedule D subpart 24 (Chickens owning more than three than, see instructions Pg 24 subpart 27 (Filing Chicken depreciation 7 percent deductable) properly.

He had over 203 pages alone for his Tax return in 2010.

I concur with Ms. Kristof in her commentary below:

COMMENTARY I just finished reading all 203 pages of Mitt Romney's tax return. But it took less than 50 pages to realize that the return illustrates everything that's wrong with the U.S. tax system.

Including.......How does Romney's return show us what is wrong with the tax system? Start with the vast length of his return. It also includes dozens upon dozens of pages where he must report such insignificant amounts of income that it clearly had to cost more to prepare the form than to pay tax on it. A few cases in point:

-- On page 48, a complex calculation determined he should add $14 to his taxable income

-- On page 69, he reported a $2 taxable dividend payment

-- On page 77, he claimed a $1 tax credit

Meanwhile, Romney needed to file separate schedules for "passive" income, "straddle" income, income from partnerships, capital gains and, of course, losses.

A tax code that produces a 203-page return is too complex to administer; too complex to comply with; and so complex that it creates inadvertent inequities that encourage gaming the system in ways that are detrimental to our society and national character.

It's time to do away with the 72,536-page U.S. tax code and write our tax law on a single sheet of paper.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-57365225/lessons-from-mitt-romneys-203-page-tax-return/

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"Not much actually if his 2010 tax return is any guide."

So why his persitence in he releasing them then, Ali?

He could have the Democrats burning in their tanks.

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not releasing them

Whoops

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Laguna,

Krugman the worlds famous economics professor could use a little basic math refresher:

Mr. Romney is attempting to distance himself from part of it by insisting that he had nothing to do with Bain’s operations after 1999, even though the company continued to list him as C.E.O. and sole owner until 2002.even though the company continued to list him as C.E.O. and sole owner until 2002.

Romney did not finalize a severance agreement with Bain until 2002, a 10-year deal with undisclosed terms that was retroactive to 1999. It expired in 2009.

2009 -10 = 1999 when he had actually stopped working for the company.

2012-10 = 2002 when they actually could make it official to relieve him of all obligations and titles.

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Like I said before....Romney obviously feels the heat he'll take for not releasing his tax returns is less than the heat he will take if he does release his tax returns. It comes down to that and that alone.

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Romney should definitely NOT be elected president. I hope the majority of educated Americans will see to this. With McCain and Palin as the best the GOP could come up with, they really hit rock bottom. Romney is right on their tails! Honestly, the quality of Republican candidates is shocking. Go Obama! It's yours to lose.

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"Romney obviously feels the heat he'll take for not releasing his tax returns is less than the heat he will take if he does release his tax returns. It comes down to that and that alone."

There must be pretty damming stuff in Romney's paper-trail to be worth taking the current fallout.

It's why none of our conservative radicals will even attempt to answer the question;

What is Romney hiding?

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There must be pretty damming stuff in Romney's paper-trail to be worth taking the current fallout.

It's why none of our conservative radicals will even attempt to answer the question;

What is Romney hiding?

If he was actually hiding anything those super friendly folks at the Internal Revenue Service would have found it a long time ago.

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Nah, from the American people not the IRS. I'm not suggesting foul-play, I'm asking what is Romney hiding?

He has resisted demands he release his accounts as all other US presidents have in the past, asking for an extension this year that cough, coincidently falls after the November elections.

You claim he has nothing to hide "if his 2010 tax return is any guide" yet fail to provide any coherent reason, actually any reason at all as to why he doesn't simply produce the documents to silence the critics. If the information in these tax returns are politically damaging as Superlib suggests - which at this point is the only logical theory - anyone other than a blind party-faithful would have to ask, what is Romney hiding?

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actually any reason at all as to why he doesn't simply produce the documents to silence the critics.

Did the release of his 2010 return silence any of the critics?

Think if he releases returns prior to 2010 that is going to silence any of the critics? Think the Romney campaign wants to spend the next three months having to continue respond to hack pieces like the Vanity Fair article that was based on his 2010 tax return. His campaign has already had to waste enough time with this bogus Bain B.S that he didn't leave the company in 1999 that Obama's lapdog media just keeps alive even after its been fact-checked to death.

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What is Romney trying to hide from, anyway? Why all the hubbub about exactly when he separated himself from Bain? Why cannot he stand proud of the organization he created and led through the few years he was away?

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"Think if he releases returns prior to 2010 that is going to silence any of the critics?"

Releasing the documents won't silence the critics so why release them? Heh, this is getting a little weird.

Clearly Romney feels there is something in them that he feels will damage his electability by refusing to be transparent with the American people he's hoping will vote for him and making these documents public.

It only further serves to ask the question none of you dare ask; what Mitt Romney is hiding....?

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Since Obama slapped the middle class with a big tax increase called "Obamacare" and is now threatening to let other tax breaks expire at the end of the year you wonder if anybody is "for" the working middle class. At least the weathly spend and invest their money in ways that create jobs. The poor just seem to shop at Wal-Mart.

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@gelendestrasse

I thought you should research how much the wealthy of USA spend in the country, how much they invest in the country and how much tax as a % of their income they pay. They have great lawyers and accountants BTW. Your car and its costs and services you pay apart fom your tax, you will find these pople find ways to make them tax deductable, along with golf club fees , private jet etc... Company expenses, don`y tou knw!

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These two are from the same group. Wake up people!

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"At least the weathly spend and invest their money in ways that create jobs."

Not necessarily, the wealthy often sit on their fortunes in uncertain times.

Asset strippers like Mr Romney certainly invest huge amounts of money and prosper themselves, even in a recession, but it is usually at the cost of jobs rather than their creation.

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Two of the same group, but at least one has a proven track record of job success, the other doesn't. That should tell you something.

Obama has nothing to show of any real achievement other than doing away with OBL, other than that, what has he done? Does anyone in all serious think that this President has done a magnificent job with the country or with the economy? So the only thing that the Dems have going for them is to make Romney look bad as if he is not paying his fair share and I submit to you liberals, what business is it of yours to know what and how and the way or how he uses or where he hides his cash. It doesn't matter, because none of you liberals would vote for him anyway, so it's really irrelevant as to what wealth he has.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes

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" but at least one has a proven track record of job success, the other doesn't. That should tell you something."

You're right, it does tell us something - that Romney and others like him made a fortune ship ping American jobs overseas to Mexico, India and China. It all depends on how you define success. But the fact that he did that makes him fair game for negative publicity.

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Wow, Romney really has his panties in a bunch. The Obama team must have hit a nerve.

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sailwind,

he really had to reach and "go negative" on Gingrich as Gingrich's reputation was so sterling to begin with.

So what's your point? Willard likes to pick on those weaker than him? That's already been established by his old classmates, some of whom Willard bullied.

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Also sailwind,

I'm sorry but you can't use the mainstream media as a source for your arguments. You spend 95% of your time here bashing them but they are just fine that 5% of the time you need them. A little consistency, please.

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Madverts,

Here, sailwind has a point:

Did the release of his 2010 return silence any of the critics?

It will stop the lion's share of the critics but there will always be the hangers on. We still have people here at JT who think President Obama's birth certificate was forged.

Granted, then he goes completely off the rails with a mainstream media rant. He's fanatical about the press. Except when they serve his purpose. Yeah, and not a BIT of irony either. I know. I just scratch my head.

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I'm sorry but you can't use the mainstream media as a source for your arguments. You spend 95% of your time here bashing them but they are just fine that 5% of the time you need them.

Do you prefer that I use only Fox news instead for the basis of my arguments? After all they're not "biased" either.

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So what's your point? Willard likes to pick on those weaker than him? That's already been established by his old classmates, some of whom Willard bullied.

Apparently Obama and "Willard" have much in common.

In the President's memoir, "Dreams from My Father," in which Obama details how he teased and shoved a middle school girl named Coretta — the only other black student in his grade.

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You're right, it does tell us something - that Romney and others like him made a fortune ship ping American jobs overseas to Mexico, India and China. It all depends on how you define success. But the fact that he did that makes him fair game for negative publicity.

There is absolutely no evidence that Romney shipped jobs overseas, Where do you get your facts from? Funny, how you liberals always try to spin things at every angle. Even on the Ueber-liberal Barack Channel, Andrea Mitchell couldn't even back up her accusations.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/10/andrea_mitchell_struggles_to_defend_claim_obama_outsourced_jobs_via_stimulus.html

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sailwind,

All I ask for is consistency. You're all over the chart when it comes to the mainstream media. Can't you see it? Why should I believe you when you post something from HuffPo when you'll come back and say HuffPo is biased. According to YOU, YOUR source information is sometimes questionable, at best, and complicate at worst.

Why should I believe you then?

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In the President's memoir, "Dreams from My Father," in which Obama details how he teased and shoved a middle school girl named Coretta — the only other black student in his grade.

I don't see much point in trying to reason with the religious followers of The Messiah. No matter what he does, right or wrong, they believe that He is right. No matter what his opponents do, right or wrong, they will believe that they are wrong. Logic and facts don't work with those committed socialists who see Obama as the chosen one that will save the world from all of the evils of - well, everyone that thinks differently from them.

Asking Obama to apologize is like asking journalists to be unbiased in their reporting - it isn't going to happen and never will. President Obama is at least showing who he really is now - an unabashed socialist. He is committed to taking from those that are productive in order to give to those that are unwilling to even try to contribute to society. He hates freedom and individual liberty. He hates the idea that people should follow their own dreams as opposed to the Lefts dreams for them. They believe that they are the deciders for what is right and wrong, moral and immoral. They get to decide which of his cronies get to be enriched through public subsidies and which shall be punished for daring to striving to fulfill their own aspirations.

We will find out in November if America wants to be Greece - strangled by debt and public corruption. Or if it wants to return to the values and ideals that made America a successful country in the first place. Right now it's a 50-50 proposition.

When people used to say that this is the most important election of our lifetime, I used to roll my eyes. Not this time.

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President Obama is at least showing who he really is now - an unabashed socialist

And thus my respect for the gentleman deepens every day. The more he annoys the snarling right-wing idiots, the more I like him.

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Hayden-san,

Why should I believe you when you post something from HuffPo when you'll come back and say HuffPo is biased.

HuffPo is biased with a left slant just as FOX is biased with a right slant. The difference and the consistency is this. Is quite simple. In order to sift through the bias and return to objective reality one needs to back up that reality with facts. I never use FOX news or quotes from their stories to verify my opinions or in discussions , as even though they may have some objective reality in some reports they do anything associated with them will just dismissed and scoffed at by Liberals here on J.T out of hand.

It is much harder to scoff and dismiss an objective fact found and posted and sifted from the likes of TPM or HUFFPO to bolster my contentions and positions by the Liberals here on J.T.

The consistency is I know FOX is biased and I know the MSM is in the tank for Obama and that overall objective reality always loses when it's up agaisnt the "The Current Truth" that the Media either on left or right tries to present in its spin of the stand alone objective facts.

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@lucabrasi

And thus my respect for the gentleman deepens every day. The more he annoys the snarling right-wing idiots, the more I like him.

You mean your respect for him deepens that he is a committed socialist. As long as the lazy give me free stuff left have Obama, we will be a third world nation in no time. Amazing how one man single-handedly destroyed America.

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@bass4

You mean your respect for him deepens that he is a committed socialist

Yes. That's what I said. The Sermon on the Mount, old boy. That's where it's all at.

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@lucabrasi

Well, I am called that you are wanting a

United Socialist Ameri

ca

Just be like Greece and France and just shell out huge pensions, 2 hour lunch breaks, 6 weeks vacation 6hour, 5 day work week. It doesn't matter if we sink in the depths of the abyss, but who cares as long as we can milk the system and get our entitlements. Hey, I'm from California, go there and take a look at what liberalism has done to my state. You think that's good, you want to see that happen to the rest of the country? Cali used to have the 7th largest economy in the world and what happened? Liberal policies turned it into a giant bankrupt cesspool.

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@bass4

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Socialism per se. It's a rational, moral way of ensuring that society is run fairly and that nobody starves or freezes to death. It's been abused as a system all over the world, from Cuba to the Soviet Union to (I'll take your word for it) California, just like Christianity has. But just because Christianity has been used as an excuse by murderers, rapists and pillagers to further their aims doesn't make it wrong or bad. Exactly the same is true for Socialism. One day we'll get it right.

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lucabrasi: There is absolutely nothing wrong with Socialism per se. It's a rational, moral way of ensuring that society is run fairly and that nobody starves or freezes to death. It's been abused as a system all over the world, from Cuba to the Soviet Union to (I'll take your word for it) California, just like Christianity has. But just because Christianity has been used as an excuse by murderers, rapists and pillagers to further their aims doesn't make it wrong or bad.

Do you know the differences between man made god and God of man when it comes to Chrisitanity?

Socialism only works when everyone agrees to it with the same results. What you say is good in theory only, but in reality you have not taken into account of man greed for wealth and power. America is not base on socialism. This is what the founders say about America.

THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION @ http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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@skipbeat

in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Sounds pretty darn socialist to me. The "general welfare"?

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"Greece", "France", "the religious followers of The Messiah.","He hates freedom and individual liberty." , "one man single-handedly destroyed America." "committed socialists who see Obama as the chosen one that will save the world from all of the evils " "liberals...

Really? Seriously?

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The consistency is I know FOX is biased and I know the MSM is in the tank for Obama and that overall objective reality always loses when it's up agaisnt the "The Current Truth" that the Media either on left or right tries to present in its spin of the stand alone objective facts.

WoW!!! I'm going on a limb and say you don't watch a lot of TV or you watch it with blinders on. No one is out to get you sailwind. Reporters report facts; not their opinions. Pundits report opinions. Perhaps you are spending too much time on the pundits and not enough time on the news. I'll grant you this, it's not always easy to distinguish.

And sailwind, here's some really good advice for you: NPR is your friend.

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@skipbeat

Socialism only works when everyone agrees to it with the same results. What you say is good in theory only, but in reality you have not taken into account of man greed for wealth and power.

Agreed. But when Christ said it, he seriously wasn't messing about. Christ is God. You want to argue, that's your problem. So it's up to individuals: live selfishly or live like a Christian. There ain't no middle way.

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There are reports today (from ABC News) that one of the largest bundlers / fundraisers for Mr Obama's re-election campaign worked at Bain Capital during the controversial layoffs that hit the steel industry in America. His name is Jonathan Lavine. Lavine was the head of Bain Capital after Mitt Romeny left. Presumably, Lavine ordered these layoffs. But the Obama campaign still accepts his cold hard cash ...

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lucabrasi: Agreed. But when Christ said it, he seriously wasn't messing about. Christ is God. You want to argue, that's your problem. So it's up to individuals: live selfishly or live like a Christian.

Not sure where you are going with this.

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