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Obama seeks $634 bil over 10 years for health care

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$634 billion over 10 years as a down payment"

LOL! What's the total cost to taxpayers going to be?

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They should take a close look at the Japanese National Health Care insurance system. I think it works very well. Premiums are based on income. The only problem here I see is a shortage of doctors which could be easily fixed. Allow more to enroll.

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Sarge, why are you LOL? The failed bush invasion will cost $3 trillion and will accomplish nothing. Getting universial health care in the US will put 50 million Americans in line for health care, now they have nothing.

Why are republicans always upside down on what really matters.

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"Sarge, why are you LOL?"

Because having the government basically take over healthcare is not the answer to our healthcare problems, which don't seem to be stopping people from immigrating to the U.S.

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Uh sarge where is it you live.

Talk about pot and kettle.

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Because having the government basically take over healthcare is not the answer to our healthcare problems" I'm going to agree with sarge here. Not for nothing, but I think I have a little more insight on this than a lot of other folk. One reason I feel that is because my wife is a doctor here in Japan. What yalnats says "They should take a close look at the Japanese National Health Care insurance system." is a bad way to look at things. Sure for basics the JHealth seems cool but there is a lot more to look at if one wants to use it as an example of how to hve a system. First, do you really want the government that far into your health? Bad enough its sticking its fingers into everything right now and before someone pops up and starts any repub dem this and that, let me ask a question to those who support this: What if after this goes into effect and then later on the repubs win? Would you still wave your hands in support?

Do you like the idea that you can get a competing second opinion for something crucial? Do you like the idea that you can legally complain about a doctor, either for incompetence or behavior? Well, you can't do that here. How do you feel that only up until now, Japanese are learning that AIDS is a big problem in Japan, well, the government made sure that they release that info when they felt like it. We have already seen the US government screw up almost everything and so much even before Bush came into power and not for any one president's miskates, the government is just simply growing into an unmanageable organization.

I am all for fixing how people can get insurance, I am all for giving kids free medical services up to a certain age, I am all for making drugs more afforable, but I am not down with the idea tht I can not fire a doctor, I am not down with the idea that basically one person will be choosing which medicines hospitals can procure..... so much to put here but it is basically a waste of time. I think everyone is soooo into this issue, they it is what they want to hear that it is going to go through with much investigation.

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Stocks and markets really dropping! Peoples finances, taking a real smashing! Value of your stocks, split in half!

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Just thinking about the U.S. health care system is enough to sick me sick.

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Uh, DXXJP, where I live is not relevant. Did you have something to contribute to this discussion?

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Sarge, People immigrate to the US for its health care? Never heard that one before, but since immigration to the US is legal that should not be a huge issue.

Why do you hoot and holler about gov't health care? With 10s of millions of people without health care it does not appear that for profit health care has delivered the goods. But I suppose ideology is more important than reality for some (on both sides).

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Uh, DXXJP, where I live is not relevant. Did you have something to contribute to this discussion?

you are LOLing about a plan that you have no benefit from, are not directly involved in, and one that dosent change the outcome of your life one way or the other. You live in japan, if you have resident status you have a plan afforded to you by the japanese gov. Granted it might not be the best plan but you have that option for gov sponsored insurance. So you see your disrespectful snide remarks are irrelevant and rarely contribute to the discussion.

The man is putting in an effort to change or benefit the population, weather or not you agree with the plan is irrelevant. Here is a hint let the man fail half as much as dubya and then make your comments.

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Yelnats: The Japanese health care system is not exactly the kind of program you should be looking into as an ideal. It doesn't work well at all, frankly, and the people who are best covered are those with jobs at Panasonic, etc. with additional coverage to pay: a) the remaining 30% you pay in cash on top of your tax deductions, which are very high (and I heard it may be up to 40% you have to pay in a few years), b) get full physicals as part of their jobs, etc. You DID mention that there are not quite enough doctors, but that is a little euphamistic for a system that rejected 776 people an average of 3 times over 6 days... or whatever the ridiculous stats were.

Get a health care system like in Sweden or Switzerland, or even like Britain or Canada. As it is, I think the US is amongst the worst in the world in terms of coverage, and MILLIONS are not covered at all!

Good on you, Obama!

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DXXJP - "your disrespectful snide remarks"

What disrespectful snide remarks?

"weather ( whether ) or not you agree with ( President Obama's ) plan is irrelevant"

Because I don't currently reside in the U.S.? My opinion is as least as relevant as yours.

Question for DXXJP: Why is the entire U.S. medical industry wary of President Obama's healthcare plan, hmmm?

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Why is the entire U.S. medical industry wary of President Obama's healthcare plan, hmmm?

Is it really? Have you spoken to or read the opinions of everyone from the entire U.S. medical industry? I have read a few for and few against arguments and my guess would be as with almost everything in life, that some will like Obama's plan, other won't like Obama's plan and the majority of people will be somewhere between the two sides.

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Another example of government duking it out with Charles Darwin. Let the poor, the incompetant, and the weak think that they don't need to improve themselves will allow them to thrive, and breed, creating more poor, incompetant, and weak people who will require more money. All at the expense of those who had the audacity to try and improve their lot in life.

With the socialization of the healthcare system we also run the risk of going down the long road of quantity over quality in our nations doctors and medical professionals. From the viewpoint of socialized healthcare all doctors are equal because they have M.D in front of their name and fails to take into account that one doctor was at the top of his class while the other barely scrapped by with a D in med school. Little things like this tend to catch my attention, silly me.

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Because having the government basically take over healthcare is not the answer to our healthcare problems, which don't seem to be stopping people from immigrating to the U.S.

Sarge, has it come to this for you. If people immigrated based on healthcare then Americans would be filing into Cuba in droves.

Republicans are really going fringy now, they have nothing else now but anger and emptiness. Life has moved on past the failure era.

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Let the poor, the incompetant, and the weak think that they don't need to improve themselves will allow them to thrive, and breed, creating more poor, incompetant, and weak people who will require more money. All at the expense of those who had the audacity to try and improve their lot in life

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Who caused the current financial crisis and is now going to Washington with hat in hand seeking billions and billions? But how dare anyone improve a healthcare system that leaves 10s of millions of people without coverage! Welfare for the rich is not an example of Darwinism ... it's called cronyism.

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Welfare should not exist at all, thats my point.

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Obama flails, and more non-Americans come to his defense...

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Ah-h-h-h so instead of welfare what is the solution? Sending families to debtors prison? Sending all of the welfare families to some valley to just die instead of welfare?

We've seen more than a few million jobs go overseas to enrich the pockets of the ultra rich while bankrupting the middle class.

What is your solution TheQuestion? < :-)

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