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Obama to Muslim world: No U.S. war with Islam

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What about war with Islamic militants? Are we now to bend over and grab the ankles?

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Of course the US is not a war with the Islamic religion itself. The US, and other nations that are under attack, are however at war with Islamic-inspired terrorists. President Obama is playing Captain Obvious...

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Muslims are better integrated in America than they ever will be in Europe.

But Obama just can't help pandering.

His handlers need to get him out of campaign mode.

Americans want leadership.

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Teleprompter:

" Muslims are better integrated in America than they ever will be in Europe. "

As demonstrated by the bombing of the WTC in 1993, by the synagogue massacre in Seattle, by footbaths and womens-only gyms appearing in US universities, by the taxi drivers refusing blind guide dogs and alcohol, by muslim sailors giving location data to Al Quaida, by the countless incidents of "sudden jihad syndrome"? Yeah, right.

Please don´t mix the two facts of "low percentage" and "integrated". They are different.

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The US is not at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with the US. Listen to any leading cleric and you'll understand why I feel that way. Anyone who practices Islam who says they don't not consider the US their enemy is NOT a true follower to the faith.

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The big misunderstanding about Turkey is that Turkey somehow represents moderate islam. It does not. What it does represent is a model for taming islam: Combining it with strong nationalism and integrating it into society as state religion.

However, this model (Kemalism) is not a model for democracies, and certainly not democracies with non-muslim populations...

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WilliB: That's a good point. You know, I actually like Turkey and man, the women are fine. I personally don't consider Turkey, at least where we went, an Islamic country.

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Are we now to bend over and grab the ankles?

Sarge what with your angst over grabbing your ankles? No one is forcing you to do what you don't want to do, so stop moaning about it. But if that is what you really want to do, do it quietly, please.

As for Obama, he is defining what America is fighting and not fighting. So I think it is wise to take religion off the table and focus on the political actions of those actively fighting America. Knowing and identifying your real enemies is critical when going into mortal combat.

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the U.S. supports the Turkish government’s battle against the Kurdish rebel group

Code for: "Yes, Turkey, you have our blessing to annihilate the Kurds now that we don't need them holding down the fort in the north anymore".

Once again we betray those who fight with us for political expediency. Will Obama serve up Taiwan to China next? Stay tuned.

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Obama is right. The US is not at war with Islam. Under Clinton and Bush we fought for and saved the lives of Mohammedans in the Balkans, in Somalia, in Africa, and in places like Aceh, Indonesia, following the 04 tsunami - to name a few.

But much of Islam is at war with America - the 'source code' for globalization.

WilliB - I said better integrated. I did not say fully integrated.

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I think Obama is testing this message at the moment to see if it will get traction in the wider Muslim world. The reason I say this is that Turkey is probably the world's most secular Islamic country. As such, any comments regarding this insure will be taken at face value by the Turks. Now if Obama had offered this comment in Saudi Arabia, the outcome might be very interesting.

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teleprompter:

" WilliB - I said better integrated. I did not say fully integrated. "

An integrated muslim is a contradiction in terms. The more integrated, the less muslim. There is no concept in islamic doctrine for integrating in kuffar society. Keeping a low profile and biding time, yes. Integration? No. Islam can be controlled by an authoritarian state, like Turkey shows. Islam can not integrate into non-islam; by definition. And a policy based on fiction can only lead to disaster.

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What a contrast in America: one president was hard as a rock,next president is as soft as a marsh mellow ! Suddenly no nuke ,no war all friendly and sun shining...but when did America declare war on Islam?

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Oh no war on Islam? The jihadis will be cr@ppin their pants. Time to plan a new attack to make sure it happens. You watch. These words by Obama will get America a new day to mourn.

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These words by Obama will get America a new day to mourn." Better not. I'm not going through that again.

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Those Jihadists would be stupid to do so. They do that, and they will never get America off of their backside especially with a President who is actively trying to pursue peace. If we try a new strategy and it doesn't seem to be working or backfires, then I say bombs away. Don't stop until there isn't a single tree left in Afghanistan. If I were in charge of such an operation, I would take a page out of the African Warlord book or the Book of Joshua and leave no one standing regardless of age or gender. That is ofcourse, if Obama's current plan fails and/or backfires.

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These words by Obama will get America a new day to mourn.

Yeah the last day of mourning was preceeded by these words: Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US which were ignored.

What Obama is trying to do is to give the Jihadist recruiters one less reason they can cite for attacking America. It is a defensive move to reduce the influence of the Jihadist rather than the head-in-the-sand policies of the summer of 2001.

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Cannot believe some of the comments here. There is a big difference between declaring that the West is not at war with Islam and bending over for Uncle Osama. Perhaps Obama is using his brain, whereas the previous administration was wanton to shoot first and ask questions later (or was too ignorant to ask questions at all). No matter how much money is spent waging the War on Terror, there will be no victory unless a stake is driven between mainstream Islam and the lunatic fringe. This means hearts and minds. The US has to again capture the moral highground in this whole conflict. The heavy-handed tactics of the previous administration did little more than swell OBL's ranks. Obama realizes this. Then again, making such comments in Turkey is totally different from making them in other Islamic countries. It would be interesting to see if Obama was willing to make similar comments in Saudi Arabia, where any reproachment between rank and file Saudis and the US might result in certain elements in Saudi society seeking help from a more friendly US in bringing changes to the Kingdom. A strange paradox is that Saudi might actually be against a friendlier US because it would remove the great American boogieman from Saudi politics.

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Looks like the Teleprompter of the United States didn't tell Obama that radical Islam is engaged in a global Jihad against us.

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Typical that the Righties in panic on here can only see this to mean the US has 'bent over to grab their ankles', when in fact it is simply stating that the US is not at war with 1.6 billion of the earth's people via their religion. This is a GOOD thing to say, people, since many in the world (clearly yourselves) need clarification that THEY and their lifestyles are not what is under direct attack (and even indirect in most cases). Even words like this and acknowledgement can help appease people who might otherwise be tempted to join radical Islamists' cause against the USA and other countries.

I don't see why some people get so upset over a strong and honest man preferring peace and promoting it as opposed to people who spout hatred about Muslims and Islam in general.

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Right on Texasaggie! Its not a problem of the US being at war with islam, islam is at war with the rest of the non-islam world.

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I don't see why some people get so upset over a strong and honest man preferring peace and promoting it as opposed to people who spout hatred about Muslims and Islam in general.

1) they are paranoid 2) they think they have the sweetest behind and that everyone is just itching for them to grab their ankles 3)like the bully, they cover their cowardice with overbearing words and action 4) mild social retardation.

Smith-san, please do not ever say "appease" when dealing with the aforementioned people. Safer to use words like "defuse" or "keep calm". This is to aid the aforementioned people that others are really out to get them from the start, but usually are actually provoked into violence and hate by the very cowardly and provocative actions and words of the aforementioned people themselves.

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This is to aid the aforementioned people that others are really out to get them from the start,

Sorry. Edit: This to aid the aforementioned people in understanding that others are NOT really out to get them from the start,

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simply stating that the US is not at war with 1.6 billion of the earth's people via their religion

Smith, if someone is at war with you because of who you are and what you believe, then:

A) You defend yourself and are at war with them whether it is politically comfortable or not; or

B) You piss yourself, run away and eventually die when they come to cut off your head on YouTube

The extremist culture of death spawned throughout the Muslim world hates Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus with equal opportunity. Try drawing a comic of "the prophet" with a bomb and see how fast they are at war with you.

can help appease people who might otherwise be tempted

Such a bewilderingly ignorant statement. So, we are asked to tolerate the intolerant because they have a twitchy propensity to teach their children how to make bombs? As long as we are free, it is our moral obligation to fight them, or be slaves to tyranny. Yes, we are at war. They don't distinguish between good Christians or bad, good or bad Hindus or good or bad Americans, why should we go out of our way to appease their undifferentiated hate for us?

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Good post 3006, it nicely highlights the hangups of the Islamic lunatic fringe.

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the war on terror has failed because its just that, a war on terror, which of course terror can not be seen before it happens, but only after it happens. This is almost as bad as saying hey Nazis, we are not at war with your system or beliefs, we are only at war with your leaders, who you voluntarily follow..

The war should have been termed what it really is, a war against Islam (or certain sects there of). We went by the term of war on terror to appease - there couldn't have been any other reason for it. Bush was just scared.

Now that we got the term down, do we argue who started it or who should end it?

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Most Muslims believe in the war against the West.......

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to point out how the press, Obama's staff, and many here at JT, look what we find in small print, several pages back on CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/06/turkey.assassination.plot/index.html

A plan to assassinate the president by a man of Syrian Origin (gee, what could that mean?). Yet, it gets pushed back so its not seen so easily.

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What a bunch of nonsense here. Most of the violence in the Muslim world is the same as anywhere else: driven by the evil men that weasel their way into positions of power. Most everything after that is an excuse for the masses to stupidly consume, and Islam is just such an excuse, and many here are stupidly consuming it. The people who use Islam as an excuse for random attacks are not Muslims, but merely claim to be.

Most violence among Muslims is against other Muslims, because its not about Islam. Oh, I know its really hard to place yourselves somewhere else besides the center of the universe, but NO, you and yours are NOT the focal point of violence in and from the Muslim world. NO, most Muslims are NOT intent on bringing harm to anyone for not being Muslim. Its usually something else that makes them warlike, such as a desire to re-unite ethnic groups divided by lines in the sand drawn by the power hungry, or to reenfranchise those who were disenfranchised during that line drawing, such as with the Kurds. Then there is just general squabbling too.

Also, Islam may creep up within such violence much as a Chaplain shows up before and during and after a battle. His purpose is primarily to restore faith, not to encourage violence, though he may have that effect too.

Unfortunately, terror is in a state of vogue right now in the Muslim world. It still does not make it a Muslim thing anymore than European colonialism of the 17th to 20th centuries was a Christian thing. This is a fight against terror, and the tool of the word is just as important as that of the sword, maybe even more so.

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Skipthesong: Most? Where? Can you quantify most. If not how about saying most hate filled Muslims that are anti American? Even then hard to quantify.

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What a bunch of nonsense here. Most of the violence in the Muslim world is the same as anywhere else: driven by the evil men that weasel their way into positions of power."

agreed. I have for a while advocated getting rid of religion. The US for the most part has put its Christian beliefs on the shelf, even removing bibical statements from courthouses. Why must we cater to Islam? Hve you been to NY recently?

Islam is just such an excuse, and many here are stupidly consuming it. " Well, would you say that Nazism? If you really think about, you can put religion and it in the same basket.

The people who use Islam as an excuse for random attacks are not Muslims, but merely claim to be." No, they claim to be true followers.

NO, most Muslims are NOT intent on bringing harm to anyone for not being Muslim." Really? Almost I have talked to claim they are under attack and even start tipping in another direction. Listen to the rhetoric going on in NYC or even London.

Its usually something else that makes them warlike, such as a desire to re-unite ethnic groups divided by lines in the sand drawn by the power hungry" Yes, and giving in to them I believe allows that to happen more so. If they are just hungry people as you claim they are, then when they achieve what they want, its all supposed to be hunky dory?

Also, Islam may creep up within such violence much as a Chaplain shows up before and during and after a battle. His purpose is primarily to restore faith, not to encourage violence, though he may have that effect too." You are not looking in the right places then.

And before someone goes off on how anti Islam I am, I'd say the same if were Christians or Jews too....even Punk Rockers for that matter.

This is a fight against terror, and the tool of the word is just as important as that of the sword, maybe even more so." Agree that the word is just as important, which is why it should have been termed War On Islam. We went after Nazis, all of them.

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Time to see the leaders of Islamic countries embrace Obama's vision of the world:

http://mycrossstitchpatterns.com/images/Rainbow%20Unicorn.jpg

Of course, a lot of text books used in those countries will have to be rewritten to eliminate "infidels" and recognize Israel, among other things.

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Likeitis:

" The people who use Islam as an excuse for random attacks are not Muslims, but merely claim to be. "

You are dreaming again. Show me one islamic scholar who has refuted OBLs or Ahmedinejads rants theological grounds. That will be a long wait. Fact is, it is impossible. Their reasoning is entirely consistent with the life and teachings of their warlord prophet.

There are plenty of muslims who want a modern, tolerant islam. But they would have to change it for that, and that is where they run into a brick wall.

" Most violence among Muslims is against other Muslims, because its not about Islam. "

Correct observation, wrong conclusion. It is the easiest thing in the world for a muslim to kill another muslim -- all he has to do is accuse him of being a heretic (takfir) or working against the islam (fitna). Both are considered the worst of offenses, punishable by death.

For that matter, sunni clerics routinely declare all of Shiite islam as heretic, hence have no problem in blowing up shiite mosques.

Please wake up from your wishful thinking and read up on the topic.

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c'mon. We need to put religion in its place - in the past. Instead of shouting in Islam's defense, why the heck aren't you joining with the REAL left and denounce all religions?

Ok, so instead of a war against terror, follow me my war against religion.

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WilliB: You are dreaming again. Show me one islamic scholar who has refuted OBLs or Ahmedinejads rants theological grounds.

Sorry WilliB, I tried and failed. I could not find one Islamic scholar who refuted OBL on theological grounds. About five minutes of searching for the right key words only turned up the Islamic Commission of Spain, which said:

"Inasmuch as Osama bin Laden and his organization defend terrorism as legal and try to base it on the Qur'an ... they are committing the crime of 'istihlal' and thus become apostates that should not be considered Muslims or treated as such,...

This is not the first time a poster has been asked for such a decree from real Muslims. There is a new one. Please remember it. Also please remember that Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian. But please do not blame all of Chistendom for not shouting that he isn't from the rooftops such that it was certain to reach your ears.

And also remember, it was you who asked for a scholar. I merely gave what you asked for. As for myself, I did not need their fatwa to make my decision. Bin Laden is no Muslim no matter what he says, same as Hitler was no Christian.

And President Ahmadinhejad's rants being taken issue with on theological grounds? What the Devil are you talking about? Maybe you could give us an example of his unMuslim talk, or what should be unMuslim, and a reason why anyone should call him unMuslim for your peace of mind?

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WilliB: Correct observation, wrong conclusion. It is the easiest thing in the world for a muslim to kill another muslim -- all he has to do is accuse him of being a heretic (takfir) or working against the islam (fitna). Both are considered the worst of offenses, punishable by death.

For that matter, sunni clerics routinely declare all of Shiite islam as heretic, hence have no problem in blowing up shiite mosques.

Please wake up from your wishful thinking and read up on the topic.

But what does all that have to do with US being at war with Islam??? That IS what this is about you know. Islam might be at war with Islam, but we are not.

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Rich irony, but lost as usual on the multi-culti crowd.

Islam divides the world into the The House of Islam and the House of War (i.e., those who will not submit - Islam means 'submission').

America welcomes all.

But Obama just can't help himself. Like the narcissist he is he wants to be all things to all people. He can't stop campaigning:

"We will convey," said Barack Obama to the Turkish Parliament Monday, "our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country."

What a disaster.

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"America welcomes all."

If that's true, then why are you so anti-Muslim. Sounds to me like your idea of 'America welcomes all' comes with a whole lot of attachments, including being a Republican. PLEASE! So long as anyone like you has ANY say 'America welcomes all' is just lip-service. With Obama in power it has more chance of standing against the nutters who only want it etched in stone on the Statue of Liberty, but not practiced.

I love reading the insecure and misdirected rants by those who think Muslims are the scourge of the world and all that. Truly hilarious.

Anyway, thanks again, Obama! Americans can finally stop hanging their heads in shame and actually believe in the things they preach that are good about the US. Hopefully the US will really be a place that welcomes all under your leadership. I know it was a place vastly shut off from the world for the last eight years, and both the US and world suffered for it.

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It is not America that rejected the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

No, the world's most widely-translated document was rejected by each of the 56 member nations in the Organisation of the Islamic Conference.

"Truly hilarious"

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likeitis:

" But what does all that have to do with US being at war with Islam??? That IS what this is about you know. Islam might be at war with Islam, but we are not. "

No, you are not, of course. Alas, islam is at war with you. So how does a fight end in which one party does not defend itself?

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America isn't at war with Islam!! Islam is at war with America. America is at war with stupid Islamic brainwashed idiots that think that what they are doing is good for their beloved people. These people are merely brainwashed by Islam. It's only a fraction of Islam that America is at war with. Poor Smith must be rolling in his bed with all this talk of war with all of 1.6 billion muslim inhabitants of this planet that they have helped to enrich with their oil and sand.

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Also please remember that Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian. But please do not blame all of Chistendom for not shouting that he isn't from the rooftops such that it was certain to reach your ears.

Was Hitler following the example of the founder of the Christian faith, Jesus? No. Is Bin Laden following the example of the founder of the Islamic faith, Muhammad? Yes.

And also remember, it was you who asked for a scholar. I merely gave what you asked for. As for myself, I did not need their fatwa to make my decision. Bin Laden is no Muslim no matter what he says, same as Hitler was no Christian.

Upon what clear teachings of the Koran do you base your evaluation of Bin Laden's claim? How is Bin Laden failing to submit to the teachings of Allah as given by his prophet Muhammad?

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Looks like Obama's speech in Ankara didn't go down too well.

Major Turkish TV network covers his speech with a split screen report featuring an interpreter/reporter in blackface.

Personally, I'd rather duck a poorly thrown shoe.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da8_1239137290

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Likeitis:

" Also please remember that Adolf Hitler claimed to be Christian. "

Actually, no. Hitler hated Christianity for its weekness and admired islam for its strength and warrior characteristics. Do your homework!

Bin Ladin on the other hand, is totally correct when he says: "We should fully understand our religion. Fighting is a part of our religion and our Sharia. Those who love God and his Prophet and this religion cannot deny that. Whoever denies even a minor tenet of our religion commits the gravest sin in Islam."

And you won´t find a single muslim scholar who denies that. Now where does that leave Obamas insistence that the US is not at war with islam?

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