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Another lecture from Mr Obama,and this time it's for the adults.

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Terrific speech from a real leader!

As I write this, the speech is still in progress. How can the article above be fully supported?

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So, did he make it then, all the way through, to the end? No stuff-ups with the telly-prompter thingy ?

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There was a lot of pressure on the teleprompter to deliver tonight.

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So what exactly is the plan? He needs to be clear on this. I think there is too much confusion and too much confusion on an already confusing issue is going to erode his support and make people tune out.

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I bet Rep Wilson must feel real proud of himself. Oh I'm sure that his buddies are all patting him on ther back. I'm sure that isn't the way he was raised. I know that I was raised better than that.

But it about killing Obama's efforts, period. < :-)

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WayneRooney: "Another lecture from Mr. Obama, and this time it's for the adults"

Well, clearly there was at least one infant in there... shouted out 'you lie!' or something like that in the middle of the president's speech.

"Obama said the changes he wants would cost about $900 billion over decade, “less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans” passed during the Bush administration."

THAT is what's going to get Republicans riled up -- not that the plan is a good thing, and that Obama is bang on, but since he brought up the wasteful spending of his predecessor to demonstrate that much, much more has been spent of things of lesser or no value, and with poor results.

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Great inspirational speech, and a fair, inclusive and centrist framework for a reform of American health care. Most initiatives were already on common ground, he extended a few olive branches to some substantive Republican ideas, and gave some overdue clarifications and reassurances for the balance of the program - perhaps not perfect but still damned good! It looks like he's going to get it done.

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BTW... Whatever happened to Southern Hospitality?

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Obama had nothing new to offer in his speech. The mainstream media journalists seemed to love it.

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OK, before things get out of hand, Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst was in poor form regardless of Parties, both Parties already condemned it, and Wilson himself apologized.

With that out of the way, from early surveys, of the people who watched the speech, a good majority thought the speech was favorable, particularly about Obama taking more ownership and giving a better direction on where he wants it to go. (But also note that, notwithstanding independents, Democratic people tend to watch the speech than Republican people.)

Now, the big question is, would that jump in favorable polls actually change minds? Just because people find something favorable does not necessarily mean it's enough to change their minds. So that's something to wait and see.

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To paraphrase: Liar, liar, PoTUS on fire!

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Technically,it was the telly-prompter thingy that called a liar.

That's right.

Only I thought of that.

No one else did,did they.

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Obama said the changes he wants would cost about $900 billion over decade" Now that we know its going to go through, Well, let's just hope he's right and let's hope that that southern guy was wrong too. Ever go to a NYC ER and see all those Russian Illegals getting head of the line privileges?

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Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics

Oh? really? Scare tactics? This is called free speech to those of us who still value freedom. Right! There is a HELL of a lot to be scared of! What's the big hurry Obama? Not so fast. A majority of us don't trust you. This is not about health or care; its about the Trojan horse of govt control. Its a thousand pages of draconian regulations that the socialist morons in congress haven't even read yet, the effect of which will give Bigger Brother ultimate power over our personal lives. AND... if you don't pay for heath insurance?... This we do know: Max Bonk-us of Montana (D) will fine you $3,800!!! This would be called tyranny in another century. The Founding Fathers are rolling in there graves!

Do you eat Cheese burgers? Do you smoke? Do you own a gun? Do you drink? The Feral Government will know all this information and more about all your habits. Nobama. No. We don't want our money used for abortion on demand. While you accuse the other side for lack of "honest debate".... this is exactly what we don't have from you. There is no transparency, just a ram rod and slick talk about all your going to do.

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We need this! We need this urgently! And this is a great starting point.

Finally a leader who speaks to us like the adults we are. No propagandistic nonsense here. Just facts and examples. I deeply respect this president and hope the partisan morons get with the program to finally fill this most obvious of American needs.

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We need this! We need this urgently! And this is a great starting point." its not gonna start until 2013 though.

Why aren't there provisions in what is going to come out like if you smoke - you should get insurance provided, if you are fat, drinker, don't exercise? They have a penalty if you are not insured, why not one not taking care of yourself or we gonna go completely mommy child?

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Rep Joe Wilson, R-SC, shouted out “You lie” when the president said illegal immigrants would not benefit from his proposals.

He should've thrown a shoe at him.

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It was a great speech and is being called the best of his presidency thus far. So many Americans have no health insurance, or are dropped by their insurance company when they become ill. It should be everyone's right to affordable health care. Some talk about the "death squads", but people neglect to realize that it is the insurance companies who are the "death squads". Those with serious illnesses and little or no money cannot afford adequate care, and why? Because they are denied or dropped by these insurance companies.

On the other hand, Rep. Wilson, at the least, should make an apology on the floor of the House for his actions during the speech. There is even talk that he may have broken the rules of the House.

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If ObamaCare is so great, why does it exempt him, all those in Congress and the Senate, and their families (Page 114, line 22)?

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One way or another the Government will take care of you. -What FEMA camp are they sending me to for my "care"?

I am assuming by Pelosi's smiles that her jets are in this bill. -At least someone is getting their "care" after WallStreet(Federal Reserve) got their 1Trillion "care" package.

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I know that some people are observant. I have a puzzler.

Right after Joe Wilson says his little YOU LIE thing, Pelosi and others look left. What is up with that? Now this is a joint session, so you have Senators in there, so maybe it messes up the seating, but if Wilson is a Republican, he is sitting on the RIGHT, right? So who was Pelosi looking at? Sergeant at Arms?

Any help on this? Was anybody posting here actually present at the speech?

Just kidding.

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I'm beginning to worry about our president.

He is shooting himself in the foot. The winger blog world and no doubt Glenn Beck is all over his '30 million uninsured' because they think it signals his fear of lawmakers like Rep Wilson.

Why did Obama back down from the '45 million uninsured' (in a country of 303 million) that most of us progressives use on this issue and that he used in the more than 20 speeches he has already given on this topic??

Even Clinton,back in 93, when the US population was 257 million, claimed 37 million were uninsured.

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cub76 Rep. Wilson will get a slap on the wrist. Truthfully, he should be allowed to do what he did because the President is a guest in the legislators' chambers. In a technical sense, it is less serious than if he had said it to another representative.

Saying that, I think it is terrible that he did it. Has anyone seen videos of fistfights in Korea, the Philippines, etc. during legislative sessions? Whenever I see those, I thank God that people maintain at least a veneer of civility in most nations of the world. Frankly, my first thought was.. ohmygosh, I guess anyone can be a Republican these days. I am sure that worse has happened in those hallowed halls, but surely not in the last 100 years. Even the deplorable HUAC stuff was done with decorum.

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What Wilson said was right, but he expressed it in the wrong venue. It doesn't matter which party holds the Presidency, and which the congress, when a sitting President comes to speak to congress, he has the right to be heard. They can and will tear them up afterwards, but while giving his speech, he has the right to courtesy. Something Rep. Wilson forgot. Having said this, leaders of both Parties condemned this, and Rep. Wilson already apologized. The republicans will no doubt censure him, enough said.

Finally a leader who speaks to us like the adults we are. No propagandistic nonsense here. Just facts and examples. I deeply respect this president and hope the partisan morons get with the program to finally fill this most obvious of American needs.

Did you even watch the speech? Really? Because sad as it is to admit it, Wilson was right. Obama was lying through his teeth about so many issues. One of the many things that caught my attention was when he talked about how a strong majority of Americans support health care reform. This despite polls showing a majority of Americans actually oppose it. Understandably so. Why would they trust their government to make life or death decisions for them. Why should they believe that the government which is the cause of so much ineffciency and corruption, should be the solution to it as well? Why should Americans allow the government which already controls the auto industry to effectively nationalize more of the country. If Obama wants socialize medicine, let him sign himself, his family, and the members of congress up for it as well. And remember, they have to wait at the end of the line for health care the way the rest of us would. Oh wait, they won't have to. This if for Americans, not the President or Congress. Sorry Obama, the majority of Americans don't want Obamacare, Don't Trust ObamaCare, and can live without Obamacare. If you actually want real reform, then support tort reform, and allowing Americans to shop for insurance companies accross state lines.

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The illegals that wind up in ERs aren't covered by this plan. Illegal's health care in ERs is covered by state funds. Illegals can't use the proposed health care to see a doctor in a doctor's office. This plan wouldn't change this. < :-)

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Some things are better run on a social level. Doesn't mean we are a socialist government if we put national health care under the auspices of the federal government. Health care as it is, is way out of control.

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Some things are better run on a social level. Doesn't mean we are a socialist government if we put national health care under the auspices of the federal government. Health care as it is, is way out of control.

I notice also he failed to mention the planned forced unionization of all health care workers. Somehow thats managed to fly under the radar for most people.

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I don't understand why people don't like Obama's health care plan for all people. All people can go to hospitals if the legislation is passed. It is very amazing that 47 million people do not have health insurances in America. Here in Japan all people have national health insurance, so they can go to hospitals. They pay only 30 percent of total medical cost and government will take care of 70 percent of it. I'm happy about it.

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I don't understand why people don't like Obama's health care plan for all people

One reason is that no matter what plan is enforced, or even if nothing happens and the status quo remains, it doesn't fix the underlining problem of controlling medical costs so folks can actually afford to go to a hospital in the first place. Much like you wrote, whenever someone else is paying 70% of the bill - everything is great, so you don't feel any pain (till some tax is increased to pay for the deficit).

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Emtala 1985 (Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act) = anyone that arrives in an emergency room must be treated for "emergency" care. There is no reimbursement for people that cannot/won't pay for this usually = usually the cause of hospital shutdowns (California typical problem).

The Federal Government should allow this as a 100% tax deduction for hospitals.

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One of the many things that caught my attention was when he talked about how a strong majority of Americans support health care reform. This despite polls showing a majority of Americans actually oppose it. Understandably so. Why would they trust their government to make life or death decisions for them.

I could repeat what Joe Wilson yelled out to that comment.

Americans might oppose the misrepresented version of the health care plan as written above. The government will not be making life and death decisions for people w/regards to medical procedures. The person trying to get treatment for cancer would not face the risk of some insurance company executive getting compensated for cutting his health care benefits. Those are the life and death decisions being made every day for people in the name of higher profits, and I do trust my government to hold a big stick over these private insurance companies.

Widely acknowledged as one of the very best run medical systems in the US is the Veterans Administration. Someone who says that the "government can't be trusted" -- looks like a fool in the face of facts are that millions of American veterans are receiving good care from that system.

When Americans don't succumb to Republican lies about the proposals and get all the facts straight, they overwhelmingly support the proposed reforms.

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I notice also he failed to mention the planned forced unionization of all health care workers. Somehow thats managed to fly under the radar for most people.

LOL! You mean it's off the radar of reality.

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Simple plan, here's the two word edit that goes very far to fixing the system. Strike "age 65" from the medicare bill and let anyone buy in. Seems easier than this watered down monster that will get 1 or 2 Republican votes and do nothing to really address the problem. If you don't like that try this two legislative actions to A) ban insurance companies from discriminating against pre-existing conditions and B) make healthcare covergae portable from job to job.

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"Widely acknowledged as one of the very best run medical systems in the US is the Veterans Administration. Someone who says that the "government can't be trusted" -- looks like a fool in the face of facts are that millions of American veterans are receiving good care from that system."

That is interesting because everything I have heard from actual wounded veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan is that the service is horrible. It's incredible in the theatre of war but when they return stateside the quality of care takes a nose dive.

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Rand determined that the VA system was the best medical system in the county. Single payer, automated, effective and popular. The poor vets would be without care if left to the insurance industry due to pre-existing condition of being a vet. Right.

Anyway it will all be over soon as the hothead Wilson has shown a national audience the level of the republican debate. No facts, no plan, no reality just anger and bitterness. Sad lonely out of touch the republicans everyday become less relevant and more angry and bitter.

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BTW, people just checked on the bill. It was found, unfortunately for Rep. Joe Wilson, that he was doubly wrong. First, for shouting "liar!" in improper decorum, and second it's he who was mistaken.

Wilson was referring to an amendment in which the healthcare bill could've provided insurance for illegal immigrants. But that amendment was defeated overwhelmingly by both parties.

What's currently in the bill does not make available the national insurance to individuals "who are not lawfully present in the United States" (HR 3200 Sec. 246). Sec. 152 makes it unlawful to reject anyone based on personal characteristics (like race, disabilities, etc) but not including immigration status because it also states "except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act" (again Sec. 246 explicitly does not permit illegal immigrants).

The Emergency Treatment Act still applies though. Any person showing up at the ER needing immediate crucial treatment cannot be turned away. Doctors cannot let a person die regardless of circumstances.

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Wilson was referring to an amendment in which the healthcare bill could've provided insurance for illegal immigrants. But that amendment was defeated overwhelmingly by both parties.

Add the bolded text to the list of lies along with "forced unionization of all health care workers." If it wasn't for lies, these haters of Obama and truth couldn't draw a breath.

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Add the bolded text to the list of lies along with "forced unionization of all health care workers." If it wasn't for lies, these haters of Obama and truth couldn't draw a breath.

lol. Do a little research before spreading your lies about how wonderful the health care bill will be.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400571702189240.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Or try reading the bill, and see for yourself. The guy who wrote that article is right on.

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Heres another fun one on the subject of Obamas lies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/10/obamas-case-public-option-holes-analysts-say/

Seems lately that only Fox wants to cover the details on the health care bill. All the other networks either sweep it under the rug, or gloss over the details, preferring to focus on Wilsons idiotic outburst.

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The guy who wrote that article is right on.

Yes, read the opinion piece again. The writer is hardly a neutral observer and reporter of facts, but a die-hard anti-union activist.

Note his use of LOTS of key fudge words: "may," "might," "could," "potentially", etc., etc. Claiming that it will force unionization of all health care workers is a gross untruth.

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Weasel: One reason is that no matter what plan is enforced, or even if nothing happens and the status quo remains, it doesn't fix the underlining problem of controlling medical costs so folks can actually afford to go to a hospital in the first place. Much like you wrote, whenever someone else is paying 70% of the bill - everything is great, so you don't feel any pain (till some tax is increased to pay for the deficit).

Yep, that's something that needs to be addressed, and it's something Obama isn't talking about. Is Japan at 30% now? I believe it was 20%, then 25%......as more people get older that number will have to increase more and that will be while overall costs are rising. At the same time people are dying because a dozen hospitals refuse to admit patients because they are too full and send them to another hospital.

I'm not saying that to knock Japan's system, I'm saying it's a problem for every country in the world. There has to be a way to decrease costs without reducing the level of care.

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Did you even watch the speech? Really?

I'll give this question right back to you. If you really think he makes a pack of lies about health care reform in his speech, you're completely tone-deaf. Unlike most clueless Republicans and their blind-followers like you, he addressed the issues and articulated the problems with current system very clearly. Several issues he addresses truly reflect the serious problems that have been affecting the lives of Americans today , and even John McCain, though not all, admits one or two of them. Joe the blare Wilson's outrage is out of question. That marks himself as one of those conservative republicans whose only claim to fame is bark up for nothing. Too bad he is no match to McCain or Orrin Hatch in this respect.

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I'll give this question right back to you. If you really think he makes a pack of lies about health care reform in his speech, you're completely tone-deaf.

No, you see, I actually paid attention to what was being said, and what was actually written. Try reading the bills yourself, and then ask yourself if what the President is promising, is what is being delivered. I can tell you right now, that what he is saying, is vastly different from the bills that are being debated in the House and Senate. But don't take my word for it. Look them up and read them for yourself. The text is freely available online.

Because of this, because the fact that what is in the bills, is different what Obama is claiming, he is proving himself a liar. He is saying one thing, and doing another. I said it in another thread. Its the ol bait and switch. They claim one thing, and deliver another. He knows very well, that if he came out and told the American people what he wants signed into law, they would never go for it. He has to convince them that they're getting something they're not, and pass it before reality sets in. Thats the only way he can have the Government take over the health care system. Thats the reality of what you see when you read the bills. Single payer coverage is, government takeover. Despite Obamas claims to the contrary.

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But don't take my word for it. Look them up and read them for yourself. The text is freely available online.

Oh, no, I don't believe the American people should take any Republican-supporter's word on this. After all, President Obama correctly pointed out that the reports that the government was going to pull the plug on grandma were scurrilous lies. When people consider that the provision in the proposed bill that had Sarah Palin and others so hysterical was a Republican initiative (placed in it by Johnny Isakson of GA), they can see just how two-faced and hypocritical the GOP is.

If by "single payer coverage=goverment takeover" you mean or imply the bill would eliminate all private insurance options, that is just another plain lie.

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if he came out and told the American people what he wants signed into law, they would never go for it.

Please clairfy the term "the American people" and explain what they need most in the first place, if it is neither single payer coverage nor the government takeover.

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Please clarify the term "the American people"

In the Republican form of bizzaro world, it's the overwhelming majority that elected Barry Goldwater in '64.

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republicans are either lying or crying when it comes to healthcare.

Seriously, the rightwing fringe is in the most serious need of metal healthcare. Look at the teabagger crowd, just screaming out for serious medication. Once again this group of misfits protests against their own self interest.

What was true of bush, if he was talking he was lying, is now true of all republicans. This will go on until the party finally collapses into a pool of fabrication.

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Ah, I see, so Yabits, you wish to remain in blissful ignorance rather then read the bills up for debate. You don't want to see the truth, you would rather just take Obamas word for it. If he says it, it must be true, right. I mean when he says the sky is green, that must be true as well. He is Obama, and he's black. Thinking otherwise is disloyal and racist right?

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Joe Wilson was the only politician who spoke the truth in that room Wednesday night.

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Ah, I see, so Yabits, you wish to remain in blissful ignorance rather then read the bills up for debate. You don't want to see the truth...

You could not be more wrong. The more I read the bill, the more I realize that attempting to see the truth through the Republican interpretation of it is like looking for rain in Atacama.

What gets me is why so many people on the right shill for insurance companies. They can't be paying you the way they pay off Congressmen and lobbyists, right? But they say "jump" and you reply, "How high?"

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Actually, on the health care issue, its over 50 percent. As in better then 50 percent of Americans think that Obama care is the wrong way to go. I am a bit surprised to hear you're claiming to actually be reading the bills. Which one you looking at? The senate version or ones in the house?

What gets me is why so many people on the right shill for insurance companies.

Shill for insurance companies? Honest disagreement about the direction of America is being a shill for the insurance companies? Wow, so that makes you what, a shill for Obama and the Medicare industry? A shill for big government. By all means, lets extend your logic to yourself shall we?

Regarding the Republicans "running the country into the ground" I suspect theres more then enough blame to go around. Particularly when you consider the man most directly responsible for it, is a Democrat. Surely you remember Barney Franks. The one who back in 04 and 05 blocked Bush's efforts to change the way the home loans were working. And hell, Reps are not the only ones who have to take credit for this. Carter managed to do the same thing back in the late 70s. Lets give credit where its due shall we.

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HR 3200.

As for 50% of Americans being opposed, I don't believe it. I suspect that a good percentage of those opposed have not read the bill and have fallen for what the shills for the insurance industry are telling them.

If I am a shill for anything, it is for ordinary Americans getting health care without the massive share of the pie going to insurance companies that add very little value to the health care equation. "Medicare industry?" That's funny.

Anyone who actually believes it was home loans that were the main cause of the meltdown hasn't been paying attention. And of course, that is what Republicans hope for: a lot of people who don't pay attention. It wasn't the home loans themselves, it was the inflated values of homes against a false belief that the value would never fall -- AND the fact that some very unregulated hedges and collateralized debt instruments were written against those over-inflated mortgages. Frank had nothing do to with that, but don't let the facts get in your way.

Bush and the Republicans had full control of the country back in 04 and 05 and there was nothing a single Democratic representative could do to block any measure if it was given half an effort. If there were any voices calling out to regulate the hedge funds and financial industries, they were coming from the Democratic side of the aisle.

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Just more proof that the no party not only has no ideas, it has no shame either. Its not enough that they are wrong on fact always, as with the claim that illegal immigrants will be included in the healthcare reform, but that they accuse others of what they are doing. Lying.

Same point is true on family values, the republicans accuse others of attacking family values but it turns out that many are spanking their girlfriends while married. Or going to Argentina to go hiking. Or paying for sex with employees while married.

The republicans again has proved they are worthless on matters of national importance and morally corrupt to the core. Smart republicans should leave the party and start something new, something moral, something more than just saying no.

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You don't want to see the truth, you would rather just take Obamas word for it.

The truth I'm seeing in the debate is that there are so many people driven by political lobbyists, worker unions, think-tanks, radical corporate advocates in the mainstream society(DC, in particular)who are bashing on the government's health care reform in the defense of free-market and capitalism. Also, conservative media(Fox News, ABC) and shock-jocks Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Laura Ingram, Glenn Beck, etc.) are high-jacking millions of people on a daily basis to instigate them as the angry mob. These agents are highly responsible for this health care pandemonium today. They use political connections with Republicans as well as Blue Dog Democrats, and spread misinformation about the government's health care reform in a way to make people believe that how Obama's plan is a pure evil and anti-democratic.

Angry people are screaming blue murder without understanding a root cause of problem with the current health care system. Sadly, they are out in the public-- led not by correct and bi-partisan information but by a nasty language created by all these shockjockers in the mainstream.

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I can tell you right now, that what he is saying, is vastly different from the bills that are being debated in the House and Senate.

It doesn't make sense to me at all, unless there is a final version of the bills passed by both House and Senate, and Obama has already reviewed it before the speech. The bill has not been finalized yet, has it???

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10% of the people in the US are bringing everything down. Bill Maher was right it WAS a Million Moron March.

All these disruptions in town halls and in joint sessions of congress are just ways to make it seem as if the entire nation is falling apart. the crazies are rolling in and there's no stopping them.

Even McCain, who was directly commended during Obama's speech as a contributor of good ideas, could not find one single compliment of Obama's speech, what a ** lack of class. He needs to get back on his Straight Talk Express to Nowhere.

There's public schools and colleges out there, but private universities are able to survive and excel, why not with health care?

Wilson should be reprimanded severely. He initially apologized, but he's back to his game and has already raised $1 million. What a loser!

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All these disruptions in town halls and in joint sessions of congress are just ways to make it seem as if the entire nation is falling apart. the crazies are rolling in and there's no stopping them.

After the shady Florida results of 2000, they had their shot at running the country -- having controlled Congress from 1994 to 2006 and the presidency for the eight years prior to Obama's landslide election. What a total disaster they were!

When the stuck pigs start to squeal, and whiners start to whine, it always seems like more of them than there actually are. The genuine patriotic Americans -- those who love and respect the democratic process -- accept that after the Republican debacle, it is time for a completely different direction for our nation. A direction based upon reason and facts rather than ignorance and a blind belief in party ideology.

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RomeoRamenII at 04:57 AM JST - 12th September Joe Wilson was the only politician who spoke the truth in that room Wednesday night.

A fine example of old Southern gentleman that he is. Stands up for the insurance lobby and defends their honor. What a good southern gentleman he is, putting the President of the United States in his place....Hm I wonder what motivated him to insult the Constitution and basically spit on the President of the United States.

He yelled out and called the President of the United States a liar. Nice to see the Republicans show such respect for their nation on national television....Nice, but I wonder why he has such hate of our President.

I wonder if he is still upset that his family was on the losing side of the civil war?

Hm you know I also wonder where was his voice when President Bush was proven to have lied all those many times.....Please, please please please challenge this.....LOL

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The republicans will soon no longer matter to anyone outside of their own imaginary WMD in Iraq Obama is African world.

I heard today on some nutty show that Wilson should run for President. I hope he does along with the other loser Palin. Their slogan could be no brain, no shame.

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The republicans will soon no longer matter to anyone outside of their own imaginary WMD in Iraq Obama is African world.

i'm not sure what you mean but i know you're wrong.

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090913/D9AMHEH00.html

it doesn't matter what joe wilson says. it doesn't matter what obama says. it seems the american people are 'changing' their minds already. that didn't take long, did it?

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Heckling (slanderous heckling, at that) and fiddling on their blackberries as the president spoke.

We're about 6 months from a republican mass breath-holding in Congress. Childish temper tantrums are about all we can expect from republicans until they get back in power.

No ideas. No plans. Nothing for the American people. Just self-entitlement, hate and thinly-veiled racism.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2009 GOP.

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calling the president a liar! my god what has the country come to!? didn't the Repugs learn anything about civility and respect watching how the Dumbs behavior while bush was in office?

i think the Repugs should do better, they should treat obama as bush was treated.

of course they will need the press on board to do it properly.

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inkjet,

I agree with you. Do you remember a time when bush was heckled while giving a speech in front of Congress because I'll be darned if I can remember one.

It's really easy to say the Democrats treated bush no better, but examples seem to be awfully scarce. Perhaps you could provide us with a few examples of the times when bush spoke and others were extremely rude to him. The only ones I can think of are the numerous times cheney fell asleep. But considering the source, bush has to be glad he was only ignored by his own vice-president. But the Democrats...yeah, I'm having a hard time remembering any of what we saw on the floor of Congress last week.

Taka

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I agree with you. Do you remember a time when bush was heckled while giving a speech in front of Congress because I'll be darned if I can remember one.

actually he was booed at the state of the union address. but hey bush was not a cry baby. (neither is obama to his credit) but the Dumbs sure are.

and another thing. who do these Repugs think they are? having protests, marches, civil actions, shouting out demands, making all sorts of accusations against their government. it has to be stopped. who do they think they are Dumbs? no way man. they are not Dumbs. it's just not fair. boo hoo. it's tearing the country apart. boo hoo. can't obama arrest them or something? at least arrest rush. please.

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Well...I'll be darned if they didn't boo the man. I asked and ye provided. I stand corrected.

at least arrest rush. please.

And you provided a chuckle to boot. My hat's off to you, inkjet.

Taka

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Lets see,

bush started a war based on lies that has destroyed a country and killed hundreds of thousands, obama is trying to help the uninsured and working class folks so that they are not bankrupted by runaway healthcare costs. One deserves booing and the other deserves praise. Even inkjet can see that.

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inkjet at 09:53 AM JST - 14th September actually he was booed at the state of the union address. but hey bush was not a cry baby. (neither is obama to his credit) but the Dumbs sure are. and another thing. who do these Repugs think they are? having protests, marches, civil actions, shouting out demands, making all sorts of accusations against their government. it has to be stopped. who do they think they are Dumbs? no way man. they are not Dumbs. it's just not fair. boo hoo. it's tearing the country apart. boo hoo. can't obama arrest them or something? at least arrest rush. please.

Inkjet, I say to you,"you lie!"LOL Could not pass that up. Now back to the debate....

Good point there Telep....errr sorry, I meant inkjet. But what you failed to understand or mention (do not know if you know American political history or not), but what you failed to mention was that hissing and booing is a common event in any Presidential address.

Many Presidents have enjoyed (tongue and check) the hiss or boo from the opposition party. This is actually expected from the opposition and not considered much. It is a form of disapproval.

Fred Beuttler, deputy historian at the House of Representatives says and I quote,"Occasionally, members of the opposing party have been known to boo and jeer as expressions of dissent on a specific point," says Beuttler, citing instances during the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. But before Wednesday, he says, "expressions of individual opposition of members to a president's speech had not been recorded."

So to claim that this is nothing new is no more than a bold face lie.

Here is a link that may (and I mean may) help you to swim away from the far right whitewash attempt....Using the word whitewash in a post about our dear friend from the deep South Joe "put them in their place" Wilson. It is kind of funny....LOL

Below is a link that may help to understand the difference between what is accepted disapproval and what is down right disrespect.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/heckling_history

Did Joe Wilson insult the Presidency? Yes...

Should he pay? Yes....

He is right up there with Chavez and others who dislike America.....

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But what you failed to understand or mention (do not know if you know American political history or not), but what you failed to mention was that hissing and booing is a common event in any Presidential address.

This is an important distiction, and one that is lost on none but the most hard core extremists. We might disagree with a policy or position, and boo or hiss to show that disagreement, but yelling out a personal epithet is nothing less than disrespect of the presidency.

These extremists are busy whipping themselves up into a lather about how evil and Hitler-like President Obama is. After all, to them, he's a black guy who refused to show his ID (birth certificate) to the "proper authorities."

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When California's Pete Stark called bush a liar on the floor of the Congress it was different.But don't expect the wingers and the birthers to understand.They are too busy crowing that Wislon's outburst has made him damm near famous.

Winger 'humor' observed at the recent rally in DC:

" Joe Wilson, Truth Czar."

Yeah,right real funny.About as funny as Glenn Beck.

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Stark was not yelling out during a bush presentation to congress. He was commenting on a bill during his turn for comments in order to give healthcare for kids which of course the republicans fought. They do not want kids to go to doctors when sick. No, that is socialism. Let the kids die. That is republican justice.

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Stark was not yelling out during a bush presentation to congress.

A detail that only the less intelligent can not distinguish from what Wilson did.

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I'm worried.I think the Wilson thing was part a plan of attack. First Cheney,then Palin,now Wilson.

The wingers are shaping the debate, and our president is merely reacting.

What's more,his critics are saying he is beginning to look like Nixon.

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Wilson was rebuked by Congress today. Good on that.

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And Rep. Wilson was right for doing so. I thought it hilarious how President O' was stopped dead in his tracks. And what about all the tmes the Democrats in Congress boo-ed and catcalled at President Bush? Can we say "two-faced hypocrits"?

As far as President Bush lying, in the words of the later Wendy's Commerical Actress: "Where's the Beef?" Show proof or keep it quiet....

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It's depressing.Wilson got a huge boost in donations because of his actions.He drew more than his Democratic opponent.

I worry more and more about what Peg Noonan said.I was over the moon when she voiced her support last year at this time for Obama,but she recently said she thinks he lost the plot when he began arguing with Sarah Palin's Facebook page about so called death panels.

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